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  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 06
    Bowled him!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    @TSE good to see Notts Police joining in as the last recognised batsman is castled. Can they get their trauma team down there? Any Aussies may need counselling.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    33/7 after 9.2 overs.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069

    Brian Moore
    @brianmoore666
    Ashes - I've haven't enjoyed myself so much since my second divorce went through.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Miss Plato, Meg. Got her suddenly [parents keen to get one]. I would've preferred to think of a better name, but Meg's not awful and we can't call her 'dog' whilst I spend several weeks contemplating the matter.

    Meg is a nice name for a doggie. I know you don't like sharing photos of your nearest and dearest but I hope you will at least give us regular reports as to her progress. You could start with a description of her appearance. paw size and other basic detail.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    Agnew on Starc and Johnson 'These are the two form men in the Australian side' :smiley:
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    ydoethur said:

    Agnew on Starc and Johnson 'These are the two form men in the Australian side' :smiley:

    Are they the only ones with centuries to their names?
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    I believe I shall be listening to this TMS first hour coverage on iplayer almost as much as the BBC GE 2015 election night.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    This is the worst carnage I can remember in a Test in England since Caddick ran amok at Headingley in 2000. And that was against the West Indies and was their second major collapse in the series. This one is more or less out of the blue. OK, Australia's not got the most secure batting lineup, but...
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,013
    ydoethur said:

    Agnew on Starc and Johnson 'These are the two form men in the Australian side' :smiley:

    Yes, but it's asking a bit of a No 9 to be facing a ball less than 10 overs old on the first morning under helpful skies.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Llama, she's a border collie, from memory smaller than Kai was (but he was a mongrel and reasonably big). Mostly black with white paws and the end of her tail (and snout). Paws probably a bit smaller than a ten pence piece.

    Cricket: it's been a while since the last wicket. What're England playing at?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    I believe I shall be listening to this TMS first hour coverage on iplayer almost as much as the BBC GE 2015 election night.

    Election night is available for another 9 months. I don't know how long they usually leave TMS on iPlayer.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    7 wickets down in under an hour.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 06
    An interesting Twitter feed:

    https://twitter.com/cricketaus
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 06
    Total deliveries faced by Aus top 7: 46. Total runs scored: 19. Ducks: 3. Batsmen into double figures: 1. Batsmen who faced more than 10 balls: 2

    Utterly pathetic effort. It doesn't sound as though the ball's even doing that much.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    What's the lowest first innings score a team has ever gone on to win from?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Coral: Stuart Broad is now just 28/1 (from 66/1 at 11am) to win Sports Personality of the Year after this display! #SPOTY http://t.co/4cI0MWuuYB
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    By the way, this year's winner of the Sion Simon award for awesome predictions goes to Steve Smith.

    England won't come close in Ashes, says Australia's Steve Smith

    http://bit.ly/1IrP5ms
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The match is the top item on the Telegraph website:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,043
    edited 2015 06
    I know England still have to bat on this pitch, are not immune to silly collapses, and Mitchell Johnson and co can be very very good...but this is still really funny. So much for dead pitches that were predicted.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 06
    @TheWhiteRabbit 45. But the lowest in the 21st century is 99 (Pak v. Eng horror series a few years back)

    http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Records/Test/Overall/Team/Lowest_First_Innings_Totals_To_Win.html
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:


    Letwin's too otherworldly for that.

    But I wonder if Gorgeous George had a word with Matt?

    THe man who gave us the word 'omnishambles'? I don't think we should get carried away.

    In any case, if that was the idea it hasn't really worked - the Grauniad is still pushing the 'Tories eat babies' line:
    'Kids Company closure: 6,000 children have lost support
    Charity’s founder blames civil servants, ministers and media for its demise, as government seeks alternative services for at risk youngsters
    ...Outside the charity’s premises in Camberwell, south London, Sharlene Reid, 27, who had been supported by Kids Company as a youngster and volunteered there herself, said the street outside had earlier seen protests by parents and children who relied on the charity’s services.

    She said: “You just drop the bomb like that and expect people to just move on? There’s people’s lives at stake here, as well as the children. What about them?

    “We have to make the government hear us. We were protesting. It was not planned, we all came here because they said it was shutting down, come and collect your things. My friend WhatsApped me this morning and I said, ‘it’s got that bad?’
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/kids-company-closure-6000-children-have-lost-support
    The Guardian is not a serious newspaper. It decides its opinions regardless of any facts, frankly. Anything a Tory government does is wrong, in its eyes.

    The one thing I still don't understand: what services exactly did this charity provide? What did it actually do? What went on at its Camberwell premises? And are there really 6000 children in South London reliant on KC?

    The "6000 kids have lost support" line could mean just that. But it's vague enough to encompass: we have a library here available to 6000 kids and if it closes they can't use it even though in fact only 38 kids actually use it or, if it closes, they can go to another library a bit further away.

    I'd assume that it is 'we've supported 6,000 kids in the last 20 years'...

    One report I've read said that they include amongst the number of kids they say they support (whatever that support is, details to be provided no doubt) are not just the actual kids they help but all the other kids in the child's classroom because they too are "supported" by the "support" given to the desperate child.

    Well with that approach to figures she could be in investment banking!

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @ydoethur thanx for Simon Jenkins piece - very measured re Heath.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364

    By the way, this year's winner of the Sion Simon award for awesome predictions goes to Steve Smith.

    England won't come close in Ashes, says Australia's Steve Smith

    http://bit.ly/1IrP5ms

    He's quite correct. At the present moment, England are not close to the Aussies. They are somewhere in the far distance out of sight.

    All England need to do now is bat sensibly...
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of horses, Herself tells me that the University of Sussex have run a research project which proves horses have facial expressions which show their mood and emotions. Well, ffs, who would have thought it? Anyone who has been around horses for even a short time could have told them that. What next I wonder, HEFC gives a research grant to a team seeking to explore whether the sun really does rise in the East?

    At a time when funding for science research is under such severe strain what on earth are we doing spending taxpayers money to prove the bleedin' obvious and common knowledge?

    There was a time when a research grant was given to find the way to cook the perfect piece of toast. Apparently it was with a toaster. (Honestly, I am not making that up.)
    HE really seems to have lost its way in England. Too many centres of learning pretending to be universities, each full of FE teachers pretending to be academics who are obliged to do research and publish papers. The result is a dilution of quality and more third rate papers, a big proportion of which are not even original in content, than you can shake a stick at.

    Bring back the Polys!
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,704
    edited 2015 06
    Possible Clarke will top score (excluding Extras) and secure his place as Captain?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:



    Well with that approach to figures she could be in investment banking!

    You really are cynical about the industry, aren't you!

    There was never any double counting in my shop, no siree.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Scott_P said:

    @Coral: Stuart Broad is now just 28/1 (from 66/1 at 11am) to win Sports Personality of the Year after this display! #SPOTY http://t.co/4cI0MWuuYB

    Someone here backed Anderson didn't they?

    Cricketers don't win do they?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    philiph said:

    Possible Clarke will top score (excluding Extras) and secure his place as Captain?

    Apparently Extras have never top-scored in an Ashes innings. Could this be a record?
  • watford30watford30 Posts: 3,474
    edited 2015 06
    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:


    Letwin's too otherworldly for that.

    But I wonder if Gorgeous George had a word with Matt?

    THe man who gave us the word 'omnishambles'? I don't think we should get carried away.

    In any case, if that was the idea it hasn't really worked - the Grauniad is still pushing the 'Tories eat babies' line:
    'Kids Company closure: 6,000 children have lost support
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/kids-company-closure-6000-children-have-lost-support
    The Guardian is not a serious newspaper. It decides its opinions regardless of any facts, frankly. Anything a Tory government does is wrong, in its eyes.

    The one thing I still don't understand: what services exactly did this charity provide? What did it actually do? What went on at its Camberwell premises? And are there really 6000 children in South London reliant on KC?

    The "6000 kids have lost support" line could mean just that. But it's vague enough to encompass: we have a library here available to 6000 kids and if it closes they can't use it even though in fact only 38 kids actually use it or, if it closes, they can go to another library a bit further away.

    I'd assume that it is 'we've supported 6,000 kids in the last 20 years'...
    One report I've read said that they include amongst the number of kids they say they support (whatever that support is, details to be provided no doubt) are not just the actual kids they help but all the other kids in the child's classroom because they too are "supported" by the "support" given to the desperate child.

    Well with that approach to figures she could be in investment banking!



    No, Investment Banking has some regulation and compliance.

    KC looks as if it was completely uncontrolled, dishing out taxpayers money here, there and everywhere with very limited oversight and traceability. Gawd knows what else was going on - no wonder PC Plod has taken an interest.

    The spotlight will be on the Charity Commissioners sooner rather than later.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Scott_P said:

    @Coral: Stuart Broad is now just 28/1 (from 66/1 at 11am) to win Sports Personality of the Year after this display! #SPOTY http://t.co/4cI0MWuuYB

    Someone here backed Anderson didn't they?

    Cricketers don't win do they?
    Yep lol ;p
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Unhappy London — 9 out of 10 of the unhappiest places to live are in the capital according to Rightmove:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11785492/The-happiness-index-Where-is-the-worst-place-to-live-in-the-UK.html
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364

    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of horses, Herself tells me that the University of Sussex have run a research project which proves horses have facial expressions which show their mood and emotions. Well, ffs, who would have thought it? Anyone who has been around horses for even a short time could have told them that. What next I wonder, HEFC gives a research grant to a team seeking to explore whether the sun really does rise in the East?

    At a time when funding for science research is under such severe strain what on earth are we doing spending taxpayers money to prove the bleedin' obvious and common knowledge?

    There was a time when a research grant was given to find the way to cook the perfect piece of toast. Apparently it was with a toaster. (Honestly, I am not making that up.)
    HE really seems to have lost its way in England. Too many centres of learning pretending to be universities, each full of FE teachers pretending to be academics who are obliged to do research and publish papers. The result is a dilution of quality and more third rate papers, a big proportion of which are not even original in content, than you can shake a stick at.

    Bring back the Polys!
    I think it's a case of being careful what you wish for HL, which is why it's never been put forward seriously by those in a position to do it. Some of the Polys might actually nip out the officially established universities on an equitable basis. For example the best History department in London and the Home Counties is, and has been for some time, the University of Hertfordshire at Hatfield. The prize of best one in Oxford keeps flipping from Oxford to Oxford Brookes as well.

    Maybe some consolidation would be in order, especially in the south east (do we really need over 50 universities in London)? But VCs are wary of pressing for it because they know the risks involved to their own institutions if they open that can of worms.

    And I see to remember the grant in question went to ICL anyway - although it was a while ago and I could be wrong.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    And the procession resumes with one of the form batsmen out.

    Broad 6.3 - 3 - 10 - 6

    Unbelievable.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Llama, she's a border collie, from memory smaller than Kai was (but he was a mongrel and reasonably big). Mostly black with white paws and the end of her tail (and snout). Paws probably a bit smaller than a ten pence piece.

    Cricket: it's been a while since the last wicket. What're England playing at?

    A border collie? Wow! You are going to have your work cut out keeping that little lady entertained and exercised.

    I am coming up to Leeds again next month and was going to suggest we have a re-match at that Brazilian restaurant, but with a border collie to care for I am not sure you will have the time or, indeed, the energy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Hyperbole to say Broad has bowled the best opening spell in test history?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 06
    One to go. Still 45 minutes to lunch.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Aussies 47/9, Labour set to elect Corbyn.

    It's been a great to be an England cricket loving Tory since May 7th.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    Career best for Broad as well.

    What a morning he's had.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. JS, I believe the happiest place in Britain is in Yorkshire.

    Naturally.

    Mr. Llama, jein. Whilst border collies can take a lot of exercise, they don't have to have loads [one lady in charge of a dog rescue place specialising in them said as much when we visited her earlier].

    Time would be an issue [I'm also concerned about the hound's health. Not because of anything wrong that we've seen, just because Kai essentially dropped dead and I'm wary of something similar happening].

    It was amusing watching her pounce on a leaf the other day. Anyway, at least the weather's ok. When we got Kai it was the first (I think) of the really bad winters, and he had to go out in the garden for the first few weeks (prior to vaccinations being completed), and the snow came up to his stomach. Not that he was bothered.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Have England ever had three different bowlers take a six for in successive innings? #Ashes #ENGvAUS
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Start the car !
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750
    Extras is going to top score for Aus.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited 2015 06
    AndyJS said:

    Unhappy London — 9 out of 10 of the unhappiest places to live are in the capital according to Rightmove:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11785492/The-happiness-index-Where-is-the-worst-place-to-live-in-the-UK.html

    I personally rank London as the 14th worst place in the world.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,302
    Extras will be Australia's man of the match.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Worst away performance since Crassus was out for a duck at Carrhae.

    On the plus side for the Aussies, their lunch won't be molten gold.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,043
    Broad gets criticism, not without cause, but even with the Aussies practising their Lemming impressions, this is the sort of spell he manages on occasion, where everything falls fo rhim.

    Aussies 47/9, Labour set to elect Corbyn.

    It's been a great to be an England cricket loving Tory since May 7th.

    You're now worried about getting too much of good thing?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    To state the obvious, I can't see this match reaching the third day.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    AndyJS said:

    To state the obvious, I can't see this match reaching the third day.

    Has there ever been a one-day test?
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Let's be clear: the Aussies might bwled out the quickest ever, and yet Ladbrokes will only give you 6.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Let's be clear: the Aussies might bwled out the quickest ever, and yet Ladbrokes will only give you 6.

    Value elsewhere then
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Rabbit, isn't the flipside that there's some value on England's odds? If Australia were 100 England would have tiny odds, but at 6, the odds on England might be worth a look.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    isam said:

    Let's be clear: the Aussies might bwled out the quickest ever, and yet Ladbrokes will only give you 6.

    Value elsewhere then
    Indeed, I have maxed out my usual stake on England.

    Having set records this innings, Australia will need to set another set.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,750

    Sponsored Odds Next Batsman Out:MG Johnson10/11MA Starc10/11. Odds by Bet365

    Bookies can't keep up ;p
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    To state the obvious, I can't see this match reaching the third day.

    Has there ever been a one-day test?
    To answer my own question, no: the shortest completed test was in 1932, 109 overs, spread over two days (not including a rest day).

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62602.html
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Speaking of good inning, RIP George Cole. The last of the St Trinians.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    All we need is 1 wide, and Australia's humiliation is complete - extras top score...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    kle4 said:

    Broad gets criticism, not without cause, but even with the Aussies practising their Lemming impressions, this is the sort of spell he manages on occasion, where everything falls fo rhim.

    Aussies 47/9, Labour set to elect Corbyn.

    It's been a great to be an England cricket loving Tory since May 7th.

    You're now worried about getting too much of good thing?
    I'm enjoying before it goes horribly wrong, I fully expect the EU referendum to tear the Tory Party apart, and replace Cameron with Liam Bloody Fox.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    In all likelihood Australia would need to take the record within the last 100 years for the lowest first innings lead to win. I'll take the suggestion the likelihood is less than 12.5%.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,013

    Worst away performance since Crassus was out for a duck at Carrhae.

    On the plus side for the Aussies, their lunch won't be molten gold.

    Can't believe you missed the golden duck opportunity there.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    ydoethur said:

    AndyJS said:

    To state the obvious, I can't see this match reaching the third day.

    Has there ever been a one-day test?
    Was going to look it up but I see you've answered it.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited 2015 06
    ydoethur said:

    England bowl (reckless perhaps, with a rookie attack)

    ...

    Ooh, hindsight.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Herdson, bloody hell. That was a bit obvious.

    In my defence, I'm not a cricket aficionado and I'm trying to think up a character name [having perhaps resolved the plot points]. But even so... I feel almost as ashamed as a top order Australian batsman. But not quite.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 06

    Worst away performance since Crassus was out for a duck at Carrhae.

    On the plus side for the Aussies, their lunch won't be molten gold.

    Can't believe you missed the golden duck opportunity there.
    I know but not surprising.

    Mr Dancer lacks some gaps in his knowledge of classical history

    :lol:
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 06
    The best thing for England would be to take the final wicket less than 10 minutes before lunch so the openers can have a 40 minute break instead of 10 mins.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    Someone has emailed TMS to say

    I think England should declare without batting and put them in again.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,013
    On topic. "In the 2012 race my betting strategy of always laying the GOP favourite whoever it was proved to be very profitable. I’ve yet to start that with the latest race"

    Now would be the time to lay Trump, surely. He is an accident waiting to happen, no matter how much money he can throw at his campaign.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 06
    Dair said:

    ydoethur said:

    England bowl (reckless perhaps, with a rookie attack)

    ...

    Ooh, hindsight.
    I always thought this was a good toss to win and bowl, honestly.... :wink:

    EDIT: That was meant to be an innocent face.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    On the subject of horses, Herself tells me that the University of Sussex have run a research project which proves horses have facial expressions which show their mood and emotions. Well, ffs, who would have thought it? Anyone who has been around horses for even a short time could have told them that. What next I wonder, HEFC gives a research grant to a team seeking to explore whether the sun really does rise in the East?

    At a time when funding for science research is under such severe strain what on earth are we doing spending taxpayers money to prove the bleedin' obvious and common knowledge?

    There was a time when a research grant was given to find the way to cook the perfect piece of toast. Apparently it was with a toaster. (Honestly, I am not making that up.)
    HE really seems to have lost its way in England. Too many centres of learning pretending to be universities, each full of FE teachers pretending to be academics who are obliged to do research and publish papers. The result is a dilution of quality and more third rate papers, a big proportion of which are not even original in content, than you can shake a stick at.

    Bring back the Polys!
    I think it's a case of being careful what you wish for HL, which is why it's never been put forward seriously by those in a position to do it. Some of the Polys might actually nip out the officially established universities on an equitable basis. For example the best History department in London and the Home Counties is, and has been for some time, the University of Hertfordshire at Hatfield. The prize of best one in Oxford keeps flipping from Oxford to Oxford Brookes as well.

    Maybe some consolidation would be in order, especially in the south east (do we really need over 50 universities in London)? But VCs are wary of pressing for it because they know the risks involved to their own institutions if they open that can of worms.

    And I see to remember the grant in question went to ICL anyway - although it was a while ago and I could be wrong.
    Mr. Ydoether, I bow to your experience and knowledge, which are probably more extensive and recent than my own. That said, of course nobody in a HE institution is going to campaign for the return of the Polys. Status is at stake and, perhaps more importantly, money.

    Nonetheless, from the wider perspective of what is best for the Country, and the students, a return to a proper university/poly/FE division would be a very good thing.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Eagles: "Mr Dancer lacks some gaps in his knowledge of classical history"

    Kind of you to suggest my knowledge of classical history is total, Mr. Eagles.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364



    Mr. Ydoether, I bow to your experience and knowledge, which are probably more extensive and recent than my own. That said, of course nobody in a HE institution is going to campaign for the return of the Polys. Status is at stake and, perhaps more importantly, money.

    Nonetheless, from the wider perspective of what is best for the Country, and the students, a return to a proper university/poly/FE division would be a very good thing.

    I actually agree with your final point, HL, but I think it's unlikely. What may happen is that some universities move towards vocational subjects (e.g. UWE in Bristol has stopped offering History altogether) and others ditch the technical courses, and others will merge.

    The worst problem is a lot of small essentially colleges in London with high overheads which could be profitably merged (or merged back) to one institution. A friend of mine who worked in the UoL when it split said they lost far more than they gained, and I think the losses are getting greater rather than less with time.

    In Austria, when they changed the poly/uni model, they introduced special titles for professors in the ex-polys to militate against the problem you identify. But it would be hard to introduce that in this country now.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,817
    :-)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Mr. Eagles: "Mr Dancer lacks some gaps in his knowledge of classical history"

    Kind of you to suggest my knowledge of classical history is total, Mr. Eagles.

    The smiley face indicated I was joking.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,128
    AndyJS said:

    Unhappy London — 9 out of 10 of the unhappiest places to live are in the capital according to Rightmove:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/constructionandproperty/11785492/The-happiness-index-Where-is-the-worst-place-to-live-in-the-UK.html

    London is a restless place that does not rest on its laurels and is rarely contented, being always happy is not necessarily a good thing
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739
    edited 2015 06
    60 all out. Broad 8 for 15. I must be dreaming.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    edited 2015 06
    Now these two have faced more than all Australia's top six put together.

    And they were still AO for 60.

    Pathetic.

    And extras do top-score (14 - more than 20% of runs).

    Does anyone have any humble pie I can eat over that initial prediction?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited 2015 06
    How many wickets were caught by keeper or slips? Nearly all of them.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Charles said:

    Moses_ said:



    So basically we have simply trashed a PM for absolutely no reason, no foundation, no evidence and hearsay. Why did Wiltshire police not just ask him instead of standing outside his house at a press conference and fanning a no existent fire ??

    I don't like Heath by the way but this goes way beyond this.

    Because he's dead?

    But this was the point I made at the outset: because the accusation of paedophilia is so toxic, and the belief that there is 'no smoke without fire' there is a very strong case of anonymity being preserved until, at least, court is reached.

    What Wiltshire police did was disgraceful.
    Doh! Fair enough poor English 2/10
    The QC of course...hazards of typing on I phone on the run.

    Anyway we digress from the Aussie thrashing........
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Worst away performance since Crassus was out for a duck at Carrhae.

    On the plus side for the Aussies, their lunch won't be molten gold.

    Can't believe you missed the golden duck opportunity there.
    I know but not surprising.

    Mr Dancer lacks some gaps in his knowledge of classical history

    :lol:
    Hmmm, Mr Eagles I don't think you meant to say what you said. After all if Mr. Dancer lacks gaps in his knowledge then his knowledge is complete, which it may well be. For sure it is better than mine.

    However, where Mr. Dancer continually falls down is in his interpretation of events. For example, he just will not accept that someone who lost is a loser.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Eagles, your predilection for jesting when it comes to history is well-known.

    In fairness to Australia, I thought Extras did well to top score. Much underrated as a player.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Worst away performance since Crassus was out for a duck at Carrhae.

    On the plus side for the Aussies, their lunch won't be molten gold.

    Can't believe you missed the golden duck opportunity there.
    I know but not surprising.

    Mr Dancer lacks some gaps in his knowledge of classical history

    :lol:
    Hmmm, Mr Eagles I don't think you meant to say what you said. After all if Mr. Dancer lacks gaps in his knowledge then his knowledge is complete, which it may well be. For sure it is better than mine.

    However, where Mr. Dancer continually falls down is in his interpretation of events. For example, he just will not accept that someone who lost is a loser.
    I know, I made a huge blunder, it was my tribute to Hannibal at Zama,
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    Even Glamorgan have batted better than that this morning - 62/3. Admittedly that's one of those mostly South African lineups, but...Even Kent haven't been this pathetic.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,817
    England need to keep their head. But brilliant!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
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    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:



    Well with that approach to figures she could be in investment banking!

    You really are cynical about the industry, aren't you!

    There was never any double counting in my shop, no siree.
    Yes. And I'm never let down.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,128
    In GOP primaries the long-term favourite, in the end, normally wins, so I would be surprised if Jeb Bush is not nominee, though he will likely face a tough battle for the nomination. Romney was favourite in 2012, George W Bush in 2000 (and 2004), Bob Dole in 1996, Bush Snr in 1988 (and 1992), Reagan in 1980 (and 1984), Ford in 1976 etc. The exception was 2008 when Rudy Giuliani was the long-term favourite, but he had an inept strategy of skipping Iowa and NH and as a consequence was overtaken by John McCain, the second favourite, after McCain won New Hampshire
  • DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    "Extras" are top scorer in the innings. First time ever in an Ashes test according to BBC.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,364
    England have five bowlers, and use three.

    Broad 8/15. Best figures by an England bowler in Tests since Devon Malcolm blew away South Africa at the Oval in 1994 with 9-57.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,136
    Mr. Eagles, my victories over you when it comes to debating classical history are almost as impressive as when Zhuge Liang defeated an invading army using a musical instrument.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    What is common about all the times a very low scoring first innings side has won - is that the first innings of their opposition has failed to secure a lead of 100.

    Bizarre you can get 1.14 on Betfair on England.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,739

    Mr. Eagles, my victories over you when it comes to debating classical history are almost as impressive as when Zhuge Liang defeated an invading army using a musical instrument.

    I'm the UK to your Zanzibar
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,914
    Ha ha ha ha ha. I disappear for a meeting and come back wondering if we got a wicket - to see that we got them all out before lunch!!!!!!!
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,548
    watford30 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    ydoethur said:

    Charles said:


    Letwin's too otherworldly for that.

    But I wonder if Gorgeous George had a word with Matt?

    THe man who gave us the word 'omnishambles'? I don't think we should get carried away.

    In any case, if that was the idea it hasn't really worked - the Grauniad is still pushing the 'Tories eat babies' line:
    'Kids Company closure: 6,000 children have lost support
    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/aug/05/kids-company-closure-6000-children-have-lost-support
    The Guardian is not a serious newspaper. It decides its opinions regardless of any facts, frankly. Anything a Tory government does is wrong, in its eyes.

    The one thing I still don't understand: what services exactly did this charity provide? What did it actually do? What went on at its Camberwell premises? And are there really 6000 children in South London reliant on KC?

    The "6000 kids have lost support" line could mean just that. But it's vague enough to encompass: we have a library here available to 6000 kids and if it closes they can't use it even though in fact only 38 kids actually use it or, if it closes, they can go to another library a bit further away.

    I'd assume that it is 'we've supported 6,000 kids in the last 20 years'...
    One report I've read said that they include amongst the number of kids they say they support (whatever that support is, details to be provided no doubt) are not just the actual kids they help but all the other kids in the child's classroom because they too are "supported" by the "support" given to the desperate child.

    Well with that approach to figures she could be in investment banking!

    No, Investment Banking has some regulation and compliance.



    That's sweet. I used to think that.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,043

    60 all out. Broad 8 for 15. I must be dreaming.

    I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Ed Miliband has been PM these past few months as well, it's just no-one has been able to wake you since that night.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    ydoethur said:

    England have five bowlers, and use three.

    Broad 8/15. Best figures by an England bowler in Tests since Devon Malcolm blew away South Africa at the Oval in 1994 with 9-57.

    Have England ever had three successive five fors or six fors by three different bowlers?
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    Can't wait to hear what the GOP candidates have to say about the Aussie collapse at Cleveland tonight.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,156
    Go on Lyth!
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