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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388

    Pulpstar said:

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    I'd strongly advise against it right now, the entire global media turns into a big echo chamber of slightly misreported/out of date events at this point.
    Needless to add, I suppose, but their are likely to be scenes unsuitable for well, everybody, but particular young'uns...
    *there
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    LadyBucketLadyBucket Posts: 590
    Tragic though the events in France and Tunisia are, you know the media will just do both stories to death. The endless interviews with so-called 'experts' and their own correspondents, just repeating endlessly the same thing.
    I saw two minutes of David Cameron's press conference on BBC before they pulled away to go to the weather. Switched over to SKY and they were in the middle of commercials (which, seem to go forever).
    I hate this 24-hour dumbed-down media. The quality of news is appallying - most of it based on people's opinions, rather than actual hard facts.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Plato said:

    Agree - the hotel attack in Mumbai caught guests thinking it was all over before it really was.

    No sense in risking it until the all clear is announced. There's no news pic coming out here in the UK apart from old ones of hotel frontage and a helicopter. Looks like the whole area is on lock down for a while yet.

    How's the rest of the family?

    Pulpstar said:

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    I'd strongly advise against it right now, the entire global media turns into a big echo chamber of slightly misreported/out of date events at this point.
    Not good they ran off at the first gunshot I was stupid enough to think it was part of the entertainment and carried on swimming for about 30 seconds till I realised everyone running past me was not a good sign
    Did you remember your deodorant this morning? :)
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,618

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    Stay hidden until you know for sure you're safe
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    BBC reporting:
    UK tourist Debbie Horsfall, from Huddersfield, tells the BBC: "I'm staying at the Belleview Park Hotel, next door from what's been happening. I was on the beach with my friend sunbathing when I heard gunfire. My friend stood up and saw a man with the gun firing. We got up and ran, but we didn't know where to go. We have only been here two days - we came on Wednesday. We went back to our room but we didn't feel safe. We just want to go home - we packed right away."

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Tim_B said:

    Some tourist guy called Steve Johnson staying at the 'Imperial Marhaba Hotel" (sic) saying it's all over and many armed police have arrived to control the situation.

    I have no idea of the veracity of that statement, unfortunately.

    I am certain this started next door in the imperial but then gunmen fled to our hotel the Bellevue via the beach still shooting and killing people
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Source: Daily Telegraph, London.
    "14.50 Local Tunisian Mosaique FM radio reporting that one gunman has been killed and another has been arrested at the entrance to the Sousse motorway."

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,095

    Tragic though the events in France and Tunisia are, you know the media will just do both stories to death. The endless interviews with so-called 'experts' and their own correspondents, just repeating endlessly the same thing.
    I saw two minutes of David Cameron's press conference on BBC before they pulled away to go to the weather. Switched over to SKY and they were in the middle of commercials (which, seem to go forever).
    I hate this 24-hour dumbed-down media. The quality of news is appallying - most of it based on people's opinions, rather than actual hard facts.

    I go back and forth on the issue, but I liked a comment of John Oliver's when he was temporarily hosting the Daily Show, on endless speculation to fill space, by saying 'Stop Guessing - you don't win a prize if you happen to be right' or words to that effect.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,193
    I remember being in my hotel in Sana'a in Yemen when a demonstration got out of hand. The police/army went in heavy handed, and there were bullets ricocheting around.

    Just hunker down until it is over, and then some. If there is any doubt about who is outside your door, say you aren't coming out until a British Embassy rep puts his business card under your door...and talks to you in plummy Embassy English!
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,288
    "Sepp Blatter says he has not resigned as Fifa president" - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33284185

    Jo Moore obviously now works at FIFA.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Agree - the hotel attack in Mumbai caught guests thinking it was all over before it really was.

    No sense in risking it until the all clear is announced. There's no news pic coming out here in the UK apart from old ones of hotel frontage and a helicopter. Looks like the whole area is on lock down for a while yet.

    How's the rest of the family?

    Pulpstar said:

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    I'd strongly advise against it right now, the entire global media turns into a big echo chamber of slightly misreported/out of date events at this point.
    Not good they ran off at the first gunshot I was stupid enough to think it was part of the entertainment and carried on swimming for about 30 seconds till I realised everyone running past me was not a good sign
    Did you remember your deodorant this morning? :)
    Toilet paper running low as the females of the family didn't want to make noise.

    I am too scared to see though
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    BBC lady speaking to a chap called John Clarke, allegedly from Manchester but sounding like a scouser: first question "How's your morning been?"
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,712
    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Another Mrs. Lincoln moment. Jeez.
    Tim_B said:

    BBC lady speaking to a chap called John Clarke, allegedly from Manchester but sounding like a scouser: first question "How's your morning been?"

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Plato said:

    Agree - the hotel attack in Mumbai caught guests thinking it was all over before it really was.

    No sense in risking it until the all clear is announced. There's no news pic coming out here in the UK apart from old ones of hotel frontage and a helicopter. Looks like the whole area is on lock down for a while yet.

    How's the rest of the family?

    Pulpstar said:

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    I'd strongly advise against it right now, the entire global media turns into a big echo chamber of slightly misreported/out of date events at this point.
    Not good they ran off at the first gunshot I was stupid enough to think it was part of the entertainment and carried on swimming for about 30 seconds till I realised everyone running past me was not a good sign
    Did you remember your deodorant this morning? :)
    Toilet paper running low as the females of the family didn't want to make noise.

    I am too scared to see though
    I am sure ISIS hasn't been the only movement there today :)
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    pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Any updates appreciated beginning to think about peaking outside but we are all 3 scardy poos

    I'd strongly advise against it right now, the entire global media turns into a big echo chamber of slightly misreported/out of date events at this point.
    Needless to add, I suppose, but their are likely to be scenes unsuitable for well, everybody, but particular young'uns...
    I would give a big warning to anyone before they click on the Twitter trend "Tunisia".
    Don't. Other international media are not as self-censorious as they are in the UK.
    Have to say that when I saw the explicit image of gunman #1, somehow, the tears wouldn't come.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,095

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    Some more pleasant, if still divisive in a much less tragic way, information on news overload day.
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    FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Our policy of actively supporting salafist terrorism from Chechnya to Syria continues to blow back in our faces I see.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Local journalist saying 30 injured and 28 killed in the attack.
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    SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,713
    'Most of the victims are English...'

    F***
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    The 24 hour media in most countries when something big happens is very reminiscent of the election results show between 11pm and 2am - "There's a big story somewhere but right now we've got almost nothing new to say - what do you think of the fact we have nothing to say, person sitting next to me?"
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,034
    FalseFlag said:

    Our policy of actively supporting salafist terrorism from Chechnya to Syria continues to blow back in our faces I see.

    Are you on Putin's payroll or do you provide your services on a pro bono basis :) ?
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    About bloody time.
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    pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649
    Pulpstar said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Our policy of actively supporting salafist terrorism from Chechnya to Syria continues to blow back in our faces I see.

    Are you on Putin's payroll or do you provide your services on a pro bono basis :) ?
    I thought of replying to the numpty, but rather thought that today is not a day to make cheap points.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Good one. The best ongoing coverage I remember seeing was when the London Riots broke out. I wandered onto PB late one evening and caught the beginning of the coverage.

    I was glued for hours. Skycopter must have refuelled multiple times. The posts from PBers were very useful as we identified various hot spots from where we lived.
    Sandpit said:

    The 24 hour media in most countries when something big happens is very reminiscent of the election results show between 11pm and 2am - "There's a big story somewhere but right now we've got almost nothing new to say - what do you think of the fact we have nothing to say, person sitting next to me?"

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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    5-4 decision.
    Whoever took the last penalty must have been bricking it. H/T @chrisapplegate
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,532
    Seem to have been at least 2 more other people picked up by the Authorities. Whether they were involved in any of the actual shooting is less clear.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,712

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    About bloody time.
    I can't wait to read Justice Scalia's dissent.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    5-4 decision.
    Whoever took the last penalty must have been bricking it. H/T @chrisapplegate
    With Obamacare it was Roberts who instantly became a hate figure for the right. Don't know if it was him again this time...
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Hillary Clinton is in trouble.

    New Hampshire poll for the Democrats' primary:

    Hillary Clinton 43%
    Bernie Sanders 35%

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/25/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-democrats-poll

    Apparently, Clinton is in a worse position now than she was in 2007 against Obama.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,288
    Russian tourist Pyotr Chervonets tells the BBC Russian Service: "Terrorists attacked people at the beach. They came on a boat. From the beach they ran to the Hotel Imperial Marhaba."
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    5-4 decision.
    Whoever took the last penalty must have been bricking it. H/T @chrisapplegate
    With Obamacare it was Roberts who instantly became a hate figure for the right. Don't know if it was him again this time...
    Justice Kennedy was thought to be the swing Justice, and they authored the judgment for the majority.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915

    'Most of the victims are English...'

    F***

    I would say about 20% of the guests here are British at least same number French more than 20% German and maybe 10% Dutch.

    Wonder if its safe to surface not heard any gunfire for about an hour
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,712
    AndyJS said:

    AndyJS said:

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    5-4 decision.
    Whoever took the last penalty must have been bricking it. H/T @chrisapplegate
    With Obamacare it was Roberts who instantly became a hate figure for the right. Don't know if it was him again this time...
    Reading Scalia's dissent, John Roberts voted against making same sex marriage legal
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Supreme Court decision was expected and is welcome. In a few years' time we'll wonder that the point was ever worth considering.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Another one from the Jo Moore school of news management - rumours of a can-kicking until November in Greece. Meetings ongoing.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11700327/Greece-debt-crisis-creditors-proposal-live.html
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @bigjohnowls Looks like you're right about it starting in the Imperial. Thankfully, you're in another hotel.
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    pbr2013pbr2013 Posts: 649

    'Most of the victims are English...'

    F***

    I would say about 20% of the guests here are British at least same number French more than 20% German and maybe 10% Dutch.

    Wonder if its safe to surface not heard any gunfire for about an hour
    Stay put until all-clear at least an hour old.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,712
    Hippie precedent from Justice Scalia

    Scalia even offered what may the first first legal cite of a hippie. “The nature of marriage is that, through its enduring bond, two persons together can find other freedoms, such as expression, intimacy, and spirituality.” (Really? Who ever thought that intimacy and spirituality [whatever that means] were freedoms? And if intimacy is, one would think Freedom of Intimacy is abridged rather than expanded by marriage. Ask the nearest hippie."

    http://huff.to/1Gx75Lj
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    'Most of the victims are English...'

    F***

    I would say about 20% of the guests here are British at least same number French more than 20% German and maybe 10% Dutch.

    Wonder if its safe to surface not heard any gunfire for about an hour
    Wait for the Tunisian forces to clear the area. Maybe a gunman hiding out, maybe booby traps, who knows.

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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    They've got the dead attacker's wife in custody. He apparently had grenades and reportedly used one of them as well as guns on the beach.
    DavidL said:

    Seem to have been at least 2 more other people picked up by the Authorities. Whether they were involved in any of the actual shooting is less clear.

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    DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Danny565 said:

    Hillary Clinton is in trouble.

    New Hampshire poll for the Democrats' primary:

    Hillary Clinton 43%
    Bernie Sanders 35%

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/25/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-democrats-poll

    Apparently, Clinton is in a worse position now than she was in 2007 against Obama.

    Well Sanders is a Vermont Senator so it's not surprising he would do well in, virtually identical New Hampshire.
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    Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Good header from Don Brind - one person cannot move a party, especially if it's not clear where it needs to go.
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    Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    BBC has new pictures from Tunisia....it LOOKS like police are in control and it's over now? Not 100% sure though.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Think they came here as well though after that. hopefully can come out soon wonder if I get a refund!!

    Seriously RIP all casualties.

    I want confirmation its all over.

    Can Sean send his private jet for us!!
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Danny565 said:

    Hillary Clinton is in trouble.
    *snip*
    Apparently, Clinton is in a worse position now than she was in 2007 against Obama.

    Hilary is 1/5 for the nomination on Betfair. Starting to think there's now value in the lay. We have 13 months until the convention and plenty to happen between now and then.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Russian tourist Pyotr Chervonets tells the BBC Russian Service: "Terrorists attacked people at the beach. They came on a boat. From the beach they ran to the Hotel Imperial Marhaba."

    If true then even more need to secure the seas off Libya.
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    Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 31,048
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    'Most of the victims are English...'

    F***

    I would say about 20% of the guests here are British at least same number French more than 20% German and maybe 10% Dutch.

    Wonder if its safe to surface not heard any gunfire for about an hour
    I wouldn't hurry to go anywhere. Realistically, even when there is the all clear, they are not going to let you go downstairs as presumably that will be cordoned off and have police and forensics specialists there. Most likely you will wait around for hours and then they will organise a special charter plane (or planes) back to the UK tomorrow for people staying at the 2 hotels
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 92,095

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    About bloody time.
    I can't wait to read Justice Scalia's dissent.
    His one yesterday seemed very interesting, because he lamented, it seemed, that Justices individually and the Court generally, supported their personal political laws rather than truly considering their constitutionality (twisting themselves in knots to get their side's bit approved), if I recall his comments correctly. Which I took as odd, as appointing judges on the basis of their political proportionality was something I thought was understood and that sort behaviour inevitably a result of that, and also because surely all the Justices do that to one degree or another?
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The full Supreme Court judgment is here:

    http://images.politico.com/global/2015/06/26/14-556_3204.html
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,618
    Sky News Newsdesk ‏@SkyNewsBreak · 6m6 minutes ago
    Update - AFP: The man who was decapitated in a terror attack near #Grenoble today is believed to have been the suspect's boss

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    calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    I missed this report from last week on Yemen by Sherine Tadros, although I'd read about the situation this footage really brought it home as to how dangerous things are getting across the whole region.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1502701/yemen-hangs-in-the-balance-as-war-rages

    The bravery of the journalists like Sherine who put themselves in harms way to get us this first hand news should be saluted by us all.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,712
    kle4 said:

    Huzzah for the U.S. Supreme Court. They've declared Same sex marriage legal.

    About bloody time.
    I can't wait to read Justice Scalia's dissent.
    His one yesterday seemed very interesting, because he lamented, it seemed, that Justices individually and the Court generally, supported their personal political laws rather than truly considering their constitutionality (twisting themselves in knots to get their side's bit approved), if I recall his comments correctly. Which I took as odd, as appointing judges on the basis of their political proportionality was something I thought was understood and that sort behaviour inevitably a result of that, and also because surely all the Justices do that to one degree or another?
    Like Scalia can criticise others for that.

    He's the one who spent all his life railing against the equal protection clause, then used it decide to Bush v Gore.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    On a fairly depressing news day, some levity....

    -- Baffling Perversion: Some men are compelled to express unrequited love for women by ejaculating onto them or into their beverages. The Minnesota legislature is working to upgrade its law (since a recent defendant, John Robert Lind, was acquitted of adulterating his co-worker's coffee on the ground that current law requires actually touching the victim). However, Lind (who admitted a total of six climaxes against the co-worker) is an amateur compared to Tetsuya Fukuda, 40, who was finally apprehended in April, at which time he admitted "more than 100" semen attacks on women on trains near Kinshicho, Japan, dating back to 2011. He told police, "I get excited when in close contact with a woman on a crowded train." [St. Paul Pioneer-Press, 3-11-2015] [Asahi Shimbun via Gawker.com, 4-10-2015]

    -- Convicted "satanic cult" day care operators Dan and Fran Keller were finally unconvicted by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in May -- 23 years after being found guilty based in part on toddlers' fantastical testimony (encouraged by counselors) telling impossible tales of molestation. Still, however, the judges could not bring themselves to rule the Kellers "not guilty," thus preserving children's narratives of the Kellers videotaping orgies, serving blood-laced Kool-Aid, kidnapping them to Mexico and more -- yet somehow releasing them, unscarred, each day to parents at pickup time in Austin. (The Kellers spent 22 years behind bars.) [American-Statesman (Austin), 5-20-2015]

    from News of the Weird.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,532

    That is excellent and something to cheer on this miserable day.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,667
    Very sad events today. Hope everything is alright for you BJO and you can come home safely sooner rather than later.

    I'm beginning to think that closing down all mosques in Europe for review and extremism extermination wouldn't be an over reaction any more. People would still be free to practice at home but until extremist preachers are rooted out and deported it seems insane to give them a platform from which to spew hate against non-muslims.

    Close them all tomorrow, review them one by one, look at the backgrounds and history of all the preachers, a whiff of extremism would lead to them being barred from preaching in this country.

    Sounds extreme and very harsh against normal Muslims given that other religions wouldn't be under the same level of scrutiny but there aren't British born Hindus, Christians or Buddhists fighting a war against people not of their denomination. It is Muslim men beheading and killing all over the world and many of them went through UK mosques. Something has to be done and the time for consensual action is over, the government need to make big moves, and in all honesty if some people don't like it, they can buy a one way ticket from Heathrow to any Muslim nation of their choosing.
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Just been to my room with a seaview a quick peak out the window revealed nothing. Bottle of water nearly run out.

    Mrs BJ is being all sensible I think I will follow her advice for once
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Asked if he wants to come home now from Tunisia, a Scottish gent says in his opinion lightning doesn't strike twice, so it's the safest place to be right now.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,030
    edited June 2015
    Mr. Max, won't happen, and if it did there'd be a bloody massive backlash.

    We're barely past the stage where the authorities looked the other way when girls were being raped on an industrial scale because they didn't want to 'stir up tensions'.

    Edited extra bit: girls *and* boys. About a third of the Rotherham victims were boys, which is something rarely mentioned and which I shouldn't've omitted.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Hotel guest in Imperial saying beach is cordoned off, things seem quiet there - guests wandering around lobby. BBC News.

    He sounds rather complacent to my ears.

    Just been to my room with a seaview a quick peak out the window revealed nothing. Bottle of water nearly run out.

    Mrs BJ is being all sensible I think I will follow her advice for once

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Tim_B said:

    Asked if he wants to come home now from Tunisia, a Scottish gent says in his opinion lightning doesn't strike twice, so it's the safest place to be right now.

    He is probably not wrong.
    Doesn't mean that Scotland's not a whole load safer though!
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,667

    Mr. Max, won't happen, and if it did there'd be a bloody massive backlash.

    We're barely past the stage where the authorities looked the other way when girls were being raped on an industrial scale because they didn't want to 'stir up tensions'.

    Edited extra bit: girls *and* boys. About a third of the Rotherham victims were boys, which is something rarely mentioned and which I shouldn't've omitted.

    I think we are getting to the stage where we need last resort measures like this though. Whatever we're doing right now in Europe clearly isn't working. Maybe we need to fight fire with fire. Bomb them in Iraq and Syria and root the extremists out at home by any means necessary.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    In favour: Kennedy, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor, Kagan.
    Against: Roberts, Thomas, Scalia, Alto.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited June 2015
    Reports that beheaded chap in France was the boss of the captured bomber(s). Apparently had Arabic writing on his head when it was found. It was intended to be a major explosion point - several detonated but whole place didn't go up as planned.

    Lucky - would've been carnage.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,030
    Mr. Max, I think it's a valid position to argue, but there's no way it's going to happen.

    Only a few weeks ago Labour's would-be PM wanted to outlaw Islamophobia. That's a bit of a daft, leftist, Milibandian perspective, but it's representative of a substantial minority of political thinking in UK politics.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    My favorite phrase in the coverage , which has been said several times "We're playing whack-a-mole with ISIS."
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Than
    Plato said:

    Hotel guest in Imperial saying beach is cordoned off, things seem quiet there - guests wandering around lobby. BBC News.

    He sounds rather complacent to my ears.

    Just been to my room with a seaview a quick peak out the window revealed nothing. Bottle of water nearly run out.

    Mrs BJ is being all sensible I think I will follow her advice for once

    ks for update my room at the Bellevue looks onto the side of the imperial marhaba literally 10 yards from my room gunshotsvwere right outside.I still can't see or hear anyone moving around in either hotel. The idea someone had earlier about ringing hotel sounds good one
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Where are you right now?
    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Asked if he wants to come home now from Tunisia, a Scottish gent says in his opinion lightning doesn't strike twice, so it's the safest place to be right now.

    He is probably not wrong.
    Doesn't mean that Scotland's not a whole load safer though!
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    Oh dear more gunfire by the sound of it just this minute
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Bugger. Flights are coming out to get you tonight and tomorrow according to BBC News.

    Oh dear more gunfire by the sound of it just this minute

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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Disraeli said:

    BBC reporting:
    UK tourist Debbie Horsfall, from Huddersfield, tells the BBC: "My friend stood up and saw a man with the gun firing. We got up and ran...We have only been here two days - we came on Wednesday. We went back to our room but we didn't feel safe. "

    Bummer really - you go on holiday from Huddersfield to get away from gunfire and not feeling safe.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Oh dear more gunfire by the sound of it just this minute

    Another reason to stay put is the risk of jittery Tunisian security forces.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,030
    Mr. Owls, you may wish to avoid ringing the hotel. Doing nothing must be difficult, but it's safer.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,220
    MaxPB said:

    Very sad events today. Hope everything is alright for you BJO and you can come home safely sooner rather than later.

    I'm beginning to think that closing down all mosques in Europe for review and extremism extermination wouldn't be an over reaction any more. People would still be free to practice at home but until extremist preachers are rooted out and deported it seems insane to give them a platform from which to spew hate against non-muslims.

    Close them all tomorrow, review them one by one, look at the backgrounds and history of all the preachers, a whiff of extremism would lead to them being barred from preaching in this country.

    Sounds extreme and very harsh against normal Muslims given that other religions wouldn't be under the same level of scrutiny but there aren't British born Hindus, Christians or Buddhists fighting a war against people not of their denomination. It is Muslim men beheading and killing all over the world and many of them went through UK mosques. Something has to be done and the time for consensual action is over, the government need to make big moves, and in all honesty if some people don't like it, they can buy a one way ticket from Heathrow to any Muslim nation of their choosing.

    Banning preaching would be difficult. If you stop it in official mosques, the extremists will preach in people's homes. I'm not comparing them to Islamist nutjobs, but Quakers and other non-conformists were banned after the Test Act in 1673, and they met in the open air.

    Besides, t'Internet is apparently a large problem with radicalisation.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,540

    Oh dear more gunfire by the sound of it just this minute

    There is a lot of confusion right now. Tunisian SF will be as unsure as anyone else of the situation.

    Stay where you are until there is more certainty.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,618
    Tim_B said:

    My favorite phrase in the coverage , which has been said several times "We're playing whack-a-mole with ISIS."

    Or should that be "WhackJob-a-mole"? :)
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,030
    Mr. B, months, not weeks.

    Also, not visiting countries hit by terrorism would mean avoiding:
    USA
    Canada
    UK
    France
    Germany

    Just off the top of my head (only included First World countries).
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915
    You are right. This happened at 1140 just as the pool darts was starting. Can't believe Mrs BJ and daughter BJ ran off and left me glad they did though. They are of course now claiming they were shouting me to get out of the pool.

    My best watch is by the dubbed is it nearly 4pm?
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    That was back in March. There are 20k UK tourists in Tunisia right now. FO didn't upgrade/change it's advice after the March attack.
    Tim_B said:

    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?

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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,915

    You are right. This happened at 1140 just as the pool darts was starting. Can't believe Mrs BJ and daughter BJ ran off and left me glad they did though. They are of course now claiming they were shouting me to get out of the pool.

    My best watch is by the dubbed is it nearly 4pm?

    Sun bed
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2015
    Tim_B said:

    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?

    Yes that was exactly 100 days ago on 18th March.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bardo_National_Museum_attack
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    Bond_James_BondBond_James_Bond Posts: 1,939
    Tim_B said:

    Asked if he wants to come home now from Tunisia, a Scottish gent says in his opinion lightning doesn't strike twice, so it's the safest place to be right now.

    Plus there's the deductible on his holiday insurance that he'll not get back if he has to rebook.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And Australia.

    Mr. B, months, not weeks.

    Also, not visiting countries hit by terrorism would mean avoiding:
    USA
    Canada
    UK
    France
    Germany

    Just off the top of my head (only included First World countries).

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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Tim_B said:

    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?

    If you wanted to avoid tourist destinations hit by terrorism, first on the list would be the United States.
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    DisraeliDisraeli Posts: 1,106
    edited June 2015
    @BJO
    Do you have access to a minibar? If so, then raid it.
    I'll pay the bill.
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    15:55 here UK time.

    You are right. This happened at 1140 just as the pool darts was starting. Can't believe Mrs BJ and daughter BJ ran off and left me glad they did though. They are of course now claiming they were shouting me to get out of the pool.

    My best watch is by the dubbed is it nearly 4pm?

    Sun bed
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Plato said:

    That was back in March. There are 20k UK tourists in Tunisia right now. FO didn't upgrade/change it's advice after the March attack.

    Tim_B said:

    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?

    It was 3/18 and 24 were killed. That's a few weeks. That would do it for me. I'm not sure I'd trade common sense for FO travel advice.

    Is Tenerife closed?

    Having said that, I hope all who are stuck there get home safely.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,225
    Plato And Spain
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    JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    MaxPB said:

    Mr. Max, won't happen, and if it did there'd be a bloody massive backlash.

    We're barely past the stage where the authorities looked the other way when girls were being raped on an industrial scale because they didn't want to 'stir up tensions'.

    Edited extra bit: girls *and* boys. About a third of the Rotherham victims were boys, which is something rarely mentioned and which I shouldn't've omitted.

    I think we are getting to the stage where we need last resort measures like this though. Whatever we're doing right now in Europe clearly isn't working. Maybe we need to fight fire with fire. Bomb them in Iraq and Syria and root the extremists out at home by any means necessary.
    I'm reluctantly coming to a similar conclusion to you. The problems with Islamic extremism are just becoming so extensive that we just need to accept we treat Islam differently to other religions. I can understand that's unfortunate for moderate Muslims, but ultimately there's more important things at stake here.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,667

    MaxPB said:

    Very sad events today. Hope everything is alright for you BJO and you can come home safely sooner rather than later.

    I'm beginning to think that closing down all mosques in Europe for review and extremism extermination wouldn't be an over reaction any more. People would still be free to practice at home but until extremist preachers are rooted out and deported it seems insane to give them a platform from which to spew hate against non-muslims.

    Close them all tomorrow, review them one by one, look at the backgrounds and history of all the preachers, a whiff of extremism would lead to them being barred from preaching in this country.

    Sounds extreme and very harsh against normal Muslims given that other religions wouldn't be under the same level of scrutiny but there aren't British born Hindus, Christians or Buddhists fighting a war against people not of their denomination. It is Muslim men beheading and killing all over the world and many of them went through UK mosques. Something has to be done and the time for consensual action is over, the government need to make big moves, and in all honesty if some people don't like it, they can buy a one way ticket from Heathrow to any Muslim nation of their choosing.

    Banning preaching would be difficult. If you stop it in official mosques, the extremists will preach in people's homes. I'm not comparing them to Islamist nutjobs, but Quakers and other non-conformists were banned after the Test Act in 1673, and they met in the open air.

    Besides, t'Internet is apparently a large problem with radicalisation.
    Half of the problem with extremist preachers is that that handpick the kids they want to groom for extremism and invite them to listen to "classes" outside of normal hours where they will be braibswashed to hate non-muslims. Having this shifted into the homes of their parents basically closes that down. How many times have we seen kids go to Syria and the parents are completely unaware and still believe their offspring are wonderful little angels who wouldn't hurt a fly.

    As for the internet, absolutely agreed but one step at a time. Getting rid of radical preachers and those who glorify violence against non-muslims needs to be step one.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Plato said:

    Where are you right now?

    Sandpit said:

    Tim_B said:

    Asked if he wants to come home now from Tunisia, a Scottish gent says in his opinion lightning doesn't strike twice, so it's the safest place to be right now.

    He is probably not wrong.
    Doesn't mean that Scotland's not a whole load safer though!
    Dubai. About the only place in the middle east to have escaped this sh!t so far.

    A few years ago when Bahrain had its problems the UK foreign office did an unofficial census, getting all the expats and regular visitors to register with the embassy. They were surprised to find over 150k Brits in the UAE. Apparently there exists an evacuation plan, but it would take more than a couple of weeks to get that many out! My personal evac plan would either be to fly East somewhere safe and British-friendly like HK or Singapore, else drive over land to Muscat, Oman and out from there. Hopefully won't need it though!
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    PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Quilliam bloke saying that attacks during Ramadan fit the ISIS type model as they hark back to ancient battles from the same period.

    I wonder how many more are planned - hopefully none, but that seems unlikely.blockquote class="Quote" rel="Tim_B">
    Plato said:

    That was back in March. There are 20k UK tourists in Tunisia right now. FO didn't upgrade/change it's advice after the March attack.

    Tim_B said:

    Wasn't there a tourist massacre at a museum in Tunis just weeks ago? Why are you there if you don't have to be?

    It was 3/18 and 24 were killed. That's a few weeks. That would do it for me. I'm not sure I'd trade common sense for FO travel advice.

    Is Tenerife closed?

    Having said that, I hope all who are stuck there get home safely.

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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024

    You are right. This happened at 1140 just as the pool darts was starting. Can't believe Mrs BJ and daughter BJ ran off and left me glad they did though. They are of course now claiming they were shouting me to get out of the pool.

    My best watch is by the dubbed is it nearly 4pm?

    It's now 15:00 GMT, 16:00 UK time.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,225
    Danny565 Hillary won NH in 2008, nationally she still has a commanding lead. In their other poll Jeb Bush actually has a smaller lead over Trump than Hillary has over Sanders

    Bush – 16% (15)
    Trump – 11% (5)
    Paul – 9% (10)
    Walker – 8% (11)
    Fiorina – 6% (4)
    Rubio – 6% (12)
    Christie – 5% (3)
    Carson – 5% (4)
    Perry – 4% (4)
    Cruz – 3% (6)
    Huckabee – 2% (3)
    Kasich – 2% (1)
    Pataki – 1% (2)
    Jindal – 0% (2)
    Santorum – 0% (2)
    Undecided – 21% (14)
    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/25/politics/republicans-new-hampshire-poll/
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