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  • Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    edited May 2015


    Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver

    Latest ComRes figures for UKIP have gone 10%, 11%, 13%, 14% today. Going up... http://www.comres.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/ITV-News-Daily-Mail-Political-Poll-5th-May-2015-6527.pdf

    ERROR in ComRes table on their front page - should be for Mail/ITV News, NOT Indy on Sunday/Sunday Mirror!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803

    Either Major has been caught out saying something off the record or the Mirror are twisting his words...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595698952797822976

    Well a failing education system can be laid at the door of the 'education, educashun, idducushhin' party.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    Is that the final ComRes poll of the campaign?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714

    Either Major has been caught out saying something off the record or the Mirror are twisting his words...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595698952797822976

    The Tories have done nothing but provide help for the poor who got that way because of Labour.

  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    I thought they were saying that if you vote for Red Ed, the Doctor will come to see you in a month

    Not sure the Tories will be very happy with the Daily Mail...

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

  • acf2310acf2310 Posts: 141
    @TheKitchenCabinet: Tories very, very optimistic about Cheadle, I hear.
  • acf2310acf2310 Posts: 141
    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015
    acf2310 said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%

    And we can all stop F5ing now...as shock horror, its a tie with YouGov...Are YouGov going to still be doing these on Friday onwards?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG EICIPM LAB likely most seats (5.1 betfair)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    edited May 2015
    Dair About halfway through on ITV2+1, so far he has been speaking to the leader of the Liberal Democats and not been certain who the PM is, thought 1305 was 2,000 years ago and flirted with a Sky reporter and Isabel Hardman and been on This Week. After the ads he meets Ed
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited May 2015

    Not sure the Tories will be very happy with the Daily Mail...Guide to keeping Red Ed out, with a massive headline about how long it can take to get a GP's appointment.

    https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

    Arf, don't vote Labour the sky will fall in, oh by the way your fecked if you want to see a GP, did we forget to tell you the NHS is safe in Tory hands. Great stuff.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Wolverhampton SW rather than SE surely!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Where is Compouter... I will be surprised if the racist party get 14% I think it will be under 10%.. There's lots of BNP'ers hiding in UKIP or at least that seems to be the case.

    Even if every 2010 BNPer were currently saying they were going to vote UKIP and they all changed their minds between now and Thursday, it still wouldn't make the UKIP score drop from 14 to under 10 you imbecile
    Tut tut, getting aggressive.. the truth hurts... too many racists in UKIP, you must know quite a few yourself..
    Sad lonely old man. Poor you
    not lonely and not old, sad in one respect as my wife died, but hey you keep shilling for your racist party.. History teaches us NOT to trust parties like UKIP, .
    Don't fish for sympathy... Baseless insults make you a sad fool

    History of your posts teaches us you are a clueless cretin
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    YG Tie, BMG Tie, Populus Tie, Ashcroft & ComRes small Tory lead, Survation small Labour lead = probably to 1% Conservative lead.
  • SMukeshSMukesh Posts: 1,759
    Daily Mail running with the NHS headline and asking people to vote for Cons-lol.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SeanT said:

    Awful about this senior IRA commander being killed. And in cold blood, too. Tragic. Really. Tragic. What is the world coming to.

    *opens bottle of Waitrose Cava*

    You'd think at most he'd be kneecapped.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Not sure the Tories will be very happy with the Daily Mail...Guide to keeping Red Ed out, with a massive headline about how long it can take to get a GP's appointment.

    htps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

    Didn't they juxtapose a heavy attack on Ed M the other day with a huge headline about how this government has killed thousands with salt or something? I get the feeling the headline writers all over the place are a little confused about how much they can and can not be on message. The 'for sanity's sake' please seems a little desperate though - like they know it could very easily happen because the people are crazy.

    Re the Mirror Headline on Major - it's surely he's been caught out in a spectacular way or his words are twisted, usual sort of thing, but I'm a little unclear on the purpose. I guess it shows the Tories are divided, but it's not like the Mirror editorial likes Major or thinks its readers should listen to him, right?
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,264

    acf2310 said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%

    And we can all stop F5ing now...as shock horror, its a tie with YouGov...Are YouGov going to still be doing these on Friday onwards?
    I feckin' hope not.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    After lots of polls i reckon its honours even.

    COMRES good for Tories.

    All others result in EICIPM and at least 3 LAB likely to have most seats
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    AndyJS said:

    Everyone who said UKIP wouldn't end up causing the Tories to lose office is looking a bit silly at the moment, because that's precisely the position as things stand.

    This was very obvious to some of us going back several years. Of course, CCHQ knew best...
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    The Lab ppc in Cheadle has been impressive in hustings and picked up some support - this can only have come from LDs. Weirdly, we've no Green candidate though not sure what that means, if anything. Still can only really see an LD win though, the Tory candidate is disappointingly (for the blues) lightweight.

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Anorak said:

    Anorak said:

    ComRes voter intention England and Wales:

    Con 35% (+2)
    Lab 32% (-1)
    Lib Dem 9% (+1)
    UKIP 14% (+1)
    Green 4% (-3)
    Others 6% (No change)

    GET IN.

    What's the UK numbers ?
    My mistake. those are UK numbers. E&W: Tories are on 37%, Labour on 33%, UKIP 15%, LD 8%.
    Thanks. Then my effort was not wasted.

    Based on these GB numbers but calculating E&W and Scotland separately, UNS forecast

    [ except 3 adjustments for UKIP ]

    CON 286
    LAB 270
    LD 15
    SNP 53
    GRN 1
    PC 3
    UKIP 3
    SPK 1

    Good score for the Tories ! But UKIP numbers are good. Therefore, keeping CON in check.
    LD not doing well by UNS.

    I have made no individual personal adjustments apart from the 3 UKIP above.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    Anyone who is repeating a previous poster's twitter links - please can you remove the "https://" from the front of them.

    Then we won't have to wade through the repeated images.

    Thanks.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    FU I think Mirror spin
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.


    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.


    I'm surprised they aren't getting people to GOTV in Crewe and Nantwich.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    So is it just one poll today pointing that there is a doubt on EICIPM all the rest are what Basil nightmares are made of.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015
    kle4 said:

    Not sure the Tories will be very happy with the Daily Mail...Guide to keeping Red Ed out, with a massive headline about how long it can take to get a GP's appointment.

    htps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

    Didn't they juxtapose a heavy attack on Ed M the other day with a huge headline about how this government has killed thousands with salt or something? I get the feeling the headline writers all over the place are a little confused about how much they can and can not be on message. The 'for sanity's sake' please seems a little desperate though - like they know it could very easily happen because the people are crazy.

    Re the Mirror Headline on Major - it's surely he's been caught out in a spectacular way or his words are twisted, usual sort of thing, but I'm a little unclear on the purpose. I guess it shows the Tories are divided, but it's not like the Mirror editorial likes Major or thinks its readers should listen to him, right?
    Mirror headline appears to be from stuff he said while speaking at the Tory Reform Group annual dinner, but they are twisted....e.g.

    “We need to acknowledge the fact we have a pretty substantial underclass and there are parts of our country where we have people who have not worked for two generations and whose children do not expect to work."

    Well that is just stating fact and a fact that has existed for many many years...as he says himself...but Mirror equate that to Major saying "Tory education policy has failed".
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB

    To recap
    1 online pollster LAB lead 1%
    3 online pollsters level pegging
    2 phone pollster CON leads 2% & 3%

  • hunchman said:

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Wolverhampton SW rather than SE surely!
    Whoops, yes! Hope nobody did a bet on WSE after that post :) !
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Oliver_PB said:

    Closest election for a generation, no doubt. Exciting stuff.

    I will laugh if Labour do a bit better in Scotland than polled, rendering the Tories laughable "legitimacy" nonsense moot. It really wouldn't take much.

    The right-wing press is becoming increasingly unhinged and desperate, which is quite amusing. That being said, it's somewhat painful seeing what Murdoch has done to The Times.

    They've all gone a little beserk. Maybe because they are not making the difference they have in the past. If there is a second GE, what more will they have to throw at Ed?

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    When YouGov are shown to be totally right they'll probably deserve an apology for all the annoyance at their stability they get every night. But they can keep on waiting for that - I need entertainment, YouGov!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690
    AndyJS said:

    Everyone who said UKIP wouldn't end up causing the Tories to lose office is looking a bit silly at the moment, because that's precisely the position as things stand.

    Not at all. If the Tories lose office the only ones to blame will be the Tories themselves. The idea that those UKIP voters would vote Tory if UKIP didn't exist is frankly fatuous.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Oliver_PB said:

    Closest election for a generation, no doubt. Exciting stuff.

    I will laugh if Labour do a bit better in Scotland than polled, rendering the Tories laughable "legitimacy" nonsense moot. It really wouldn't take much.

    The right-wing press is becoming increasingly unhinged and desperate, which is quite amusing. That being said, it's somewhat painful seeing what Murdoch has done to The Times.

    They've all gone a little beserk. Maybe because they are not making the difference they have in the past. If there is a second GE, what more will they have to throw at Ed?

    The Scum Election Day Front Page - Ed Miliband are my hamster
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Tories and David Cameron savaged by former Prime Minister John Major in huge election blow

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-david-cameron-savaged-former-5642377
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809
    Oliver_PB said:

    Closest election for a generation, no doubt. Exciting stuff.

    I will laugh if Labour do a bit better in Scotland than polled, rendering the Tories laughable "legitimacy" nonsense moot. It really wouldn't take much.

    The right-wing press is becoming increasingly unhinged and desperate, which is quite amusing. That being said, it's somewhat painful seeing what Murdoch has done to The Times.

    Unhinged really is the word. If Ed does end up as PM he may just have a few scores to settle.

  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803

    acf2310 said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%

    And we can all stop F5ing now...as shock horror, its a tie with YouGov...Are YouGov going to still be doing these on Friday onwards?
    I've heard it said that you are more likely to predict the weather tomorrow correctly if you go for exactly the same weather that you had today rather than what all the weather computers say.

    Bit like that with YouGov.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477
    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    Correct.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    kle4 said:

    When YouGov are shown to be totally right they'll probably deserve an apology for all the annoyance at their stability they get every night. But they can keep on waiting for that - I need entertainment, YouGov!


    Part of their stability has to be down to the need for daily polls, which end up putting the same question to the same group of people.

    When you have been asked 3 times in a month who you are going to vote for, then you are more likely to have made up your mind.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    edited May 2015

    Tories and David Cameron savaged by former Prime Minister John Major in huge election blow

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-david-cameron-savaged-former-5642377

    Read what he actually said and it isn't really true what the Mirror are claiming. It is mostly sensible observations about the state of the country now and into the future e.g we have a lot of very poorly educated people who belong to families where many have never worked...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    There's a very good libdem candidate, and that means they will lose fewer votes to Labour than might normally be the case. That being said, is reckon it'll be 40:30:20
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653

    Phone polls aren't exactly as flawless as many on PB would have you believe. They also got the LD vote share wrong in 2010, along with online polls. ICM didn't get the EU Elections right either.

    We believe in one per cent Conservative lead. We believe in one Lord Ashcroft, begotten of the Tories but not of one being with the Tories. For our sake he polled the marginals and asked funny questions of focus groups. He suffered polling blunders and was mocked. On the third day he rose again and fixed them. He is seated on the right side of seat betting odds. We believe in swingback, the named incumbency effect, the communion of phone polls, the end of electoral bias, the signalling effect of Labour ministers' canvassing choices, and the Tory government everlasting.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Ah, the Tory Reform Group. Not popular with the current crop of Tories I take it?
  • acf2310 said:

    @TheKitchenCabinet: Tories very, very optimistic about Cheadle, I hear.

    This would be a great win for the Tories, who are best priced at 5/4 with Corals, with the LibDems generally just odds-on.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    kle4 said:

    Not sure the Tories will be very happy with the Daily Mail...Guide to keeping Red Ed out, with a massive headline about how long it can take to get a GP's appointment.

    htps://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

    Didn't they juxtapose a heavy attack on Ed M the other day with a huge headline about how this government has killed thousands with salt or something? I get the feeling the headline writers all over the place are a little confused about how much they can and can not be on message. The 'for sanity's sake' please seems a little desperate though - like they know it could very easily happen because the people are crazy.

    Re the Mirror Headline on Major - it's surely he's been caught out in a spectacular way or his words are twisted, usual sort of thing, but I'm a little unclear on the purpose. I guess it shows the Tories are divided, but it's not like the Mirror editorial likes Major or thinks its readers should listen to him, right?
    I expect most Mirror readers are rather old and think of Major as the nice suburban Tory different to all the 'posh' lot now.

    But not many Mirror readers were likely to vote Conservative in any case.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Dave's pumped up passion act is also looking ever so slightly unhinged. Everyone needs a rest.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    HYUFD said:

    Dair About halfway through on ITV2+1, so far he has been speaking to the leader of the Liberal Democats and not been certain who the PM is, thought 1305 was 2,000 years ago and flirted with a Sky reporter and Isabel Hardman and been on This Week. After the ads he meets Ed

    Not a clue what you are on about. This forum makes it very easy to quote. Try doing it.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Where is Compouter... I will be surprised if the racist party get 14% I think it will be under 10%.. There's lots of BNP'ers hiding in UKIP or at least that seems to be the case.

    Even if every 2010 BNPer were currently saying they were going to vote UKIP and they all changed their minds between now and Thursday, it still wouldn't make the UKIP score drop from 14 to under 10 you imbecile
    Tut tut, getting aggressive.. the truth hurts... too many racists in UKIP, you must know quite a few yourself..
    Sad lonely old man. Poor you
    not lonely and not old, sad in one respect as my wife died, but hey you keep shilling for your racist party.. History teaches us NOT to trust parties like UKIP, .
    History teaches us not to trust ANY parties. Your attempts to paint UKIP as uniquely bad amongst the major parties in Britain is - as Sam says - rather sad.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Awful about this senior IRA commander being killed. And in cold blood, too. Tragic. Really. Tragic. What is the world coming to.

    *opens bottle of Waitrose Cava*

    A man presumed to have ordered one of the most notorious murders in Northern Ireland since the GFA was signed. And yet widely reported in the press today as being a prominent supporter of the peace process. You wouldnt want to mix with the opponents of the peace process!
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    EPG said:

    Phone polls aren't exactly as flawless as many on PB would have you believe. They also got the LD vote share wrong in 2010, along with online polls. ICM didn't get the EU Elections right either.

    We believe in one per cent Conservative lead. We believe in one Lord Ashcroft, begotten of the Tories but not of one being with the Tories. For our sake he polled the marginals and asked funny questions of focus groups. He suffered polling blunders and was mocked. On the third day he rose again and fixed them. He is seated on the right side of seat betting odds. We believe in swingback, the named incumbency effect, the communion of phone polls, the end of electoral bias, the signalling effect of Labour ministers' canvassing choices, and the Tory government everlasting.
    Amen!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,656
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Wilmington, deloware?
  • acf2310 said:

    @TheKitchenCabinet: Tories very, very optimistic about Cheadle, I hear.

    Would be surprised but stranger things have happened
    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    I think a lot of the Tory optimism is about how in 2010 no-one expected them to take the seat and yet they nearly did. Since then, the area has gentrified a lot around the W Hampstead / Kilburn bit.

    As a probably useless anecdote, my neighbour said he had been approached by Keir Starmer in Highgate - very nice apparently, but my neighbour gave him an earful over the mansion tax. Starmer apparently then said he has been hearing that a lot. If it is being said in Holborn and St Pancras, I can imagine it is even more so in H&K
  • ItwasriggedItwasrigged Posts: 154
    It doesn't look as if the UKIP vote is shifting to Tories at all. Well not if any of the polls are anywhere close to right. No EU Referendum in 2017 then.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Bootle?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,418

    not lonely and not old, sad in one respect as my wife died...

    I'm sorry to hear that. Everybody dies and every successful marriage ends in a death, but it's still a wrench when it happens.

  • paulyorkpaulyork Posts: 50

    SeanT said:

    SMukesh said:

    With the Comres,Con-289,Lab-272.SNP-52

    Ed is still PM.

    Nah. Cameron would claim "legitimacy" on that, and I reckon he would win through. Too many Labour MPs would be (rightly) chary of a lethal "non deal deal" with the Nats.

    A poisoned chalice tho. Any Tory government trying to rule with those numbers would be shortlived.

    I think that's the problem for the Tories. Realistically, they need to do substantially better than most polls are predicting, and they also need the LDs to do much better, too - to create viable coalition numbers. Anything else and you've got arrangement which won't last.
    Only needs to last long enough for the bookies to pay out.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591
    Should the Tories be disappointed in some of the qualified endorsements from papers? I mean, The Times does say 'Mr Cameron would govern better with a clear Tory majority' but they are being realistic in that Mr Cameron would govern better with a clear Tory majority but 'the polls now indicate that is a remote possibility' and so endorsing a Lib-Con coalition as the next best thing.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477
    rcs1000 said:

    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    There's a very good libdem candidate, and that means they will lose fewer votes to Labour than might normally be the case. That being said, is reckon it'll be 40:30:20
    Yes, the LDs should have won it last time, but their chance has gone. The red liberals will swing behind Labour and despite the Mansion Tax (which probably costs less than 100 votes) Labour should coast home easily enough.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    I'm beginning to think that everyone should vote tactically for the party most likely to win to save us all from the horrible prospect of having to re-run what must be the most goddam awful GE ever before the end of the year.
  • ProdicusProdicus Posts: 658

    kle4 said:



    twitter.com/hendopolis/status/595701345937678337

    Re the Mirror Headline on Major ...
    Mirror headline appears to be from stuff he said while speaking at the Tory Reform Group annual dinner, but they are twisted....e.g.
    “We need to acknowledge the fact we have a pretty substantial underclass and there are parts of our country where we have people who have not worked for two generations and whose children do not expect to work."
    Well that is just stating fact and a fact that has existed for many many years...as he says himself...but Mirror equate that to Major saying "Tory education policy has failed".

    Stinks of Maguire. Bleagh.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited May 2015
    Broxtowe? Or is it outside 100 miles?

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249

    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    Correct.
    I have a few friends there, some first time voters, all apparently voting Tory :)
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Halifax? Had to laugh when Crosby put that on his list of targets. That was last Tory in 1987 wasn't it?!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Tomorrows Sun front page utter genius.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Brussels?
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Bootle?
    We're aarite.
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    acf2310 said:

    @TheKitchenCabinet: Tories very, very optimistic about Cheadle, I hear.

    Would be surprised but stranger things have happened
    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    I think a lot of the Tory optimism is about how in 2010 no-one expected them to take the seat and yet they nearly did. Since then, the area has gentrified a lot around the W Hampstead / Kilburn bit.

    As a probably useless anecdote, my neighbour said he had been approached by Keir Starmer in Highgate - very nice apparently, but my neighbour gave him an earful over the mansion tax. Starmer apparently then said he has been hearing that a lot. If it is being said in Holborn and St Pancras, I can imagine it is even more so in H&K
    Thanks for the info. Still doesn't make sense to me whatsoever! I'll be damned if that's a Tory gain on Friday morning!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,690

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Surprised to see Dudley North in that list. I would have thought the Tories have no chance at all there.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,418
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Rhondda? Shetlands? Prague? Tatooine?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477

    acf2310 said:

    YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Labour and Tories still tied: CON 34%, LAB 34%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%

    And we can all stop F5ing now...as shock horror, its a tie with YouGov...Are YouGov going to still be doing these on Friday onwards?
    I've heard it said that you are more likely to predict the weather tomorrow correctly if you go for exactly the same weather that you had today rather than what all the weather computers say.

    Bit like that with YouGov.

    That's what really pees me off about the Met Office.

    If you live in London and predict no rain every day, you will be right about 70% of the time. The Met Office's accuracy rate is about 75%. We pay all that dosh for an extra 5% of accuracy?

    The next Chancellor has a small but easy savings target there.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809

    Dave's pumped up passion act is also looking ever so slightly unhinged. Everyone needs a rest.

    Dave has the look of a man who knows he will have failed to win a majority for the Tories in 2 elections against a damaged Labour party.

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    hunchman said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Halifax? Had to laugh when Crosby put that on his list of targets. That was last Tory in 1987 wasn't it?!
    1983

    Nearly a Conservative gain in 1992 though.
  • noisywinternoisywinter Posts: 249
    Also noticed quite a lot of Tory leafleting on the steets in H&K
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591

    Broxtowe? Or is it outside 100 miles?

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Tories GOTV operation will be far too thinly spread if they're wasting resouces in NE Derbyshire and Walsall N!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477
    chestnut said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
    Bradford West?
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Bootle?
    Carlisle
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    Correct.
    Perhaps they are still treating it as though it is the 3-way marginal it was in 2010? Someone should tell them they can relax.
  • jahodgesjahodges Posts: 12
    Fwiw my take on phone v internet question. I've been screening calls for years now as 75% + of calls were sales / surveys / ppi/ accident. Thursday I worked from home so thought I'd try answering all calls. Sure enough the same 75% many with the pause before someone speaks at which point you know that 10 people are being called on a first answer basis. I think many people use answerphones and caller display to screen calls like this which polling calls would fall into. Also today I saw my 75 year old mother the most technophobic woman ever who is now very relaxed using her ipad and smartphone. My experience is that these 2 changes have happened in the last 5 years...... just my view...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    edited May 2015
    Neil said:

    DavidL said:

    Is it just possible that SF might review their long held policy and take their seats in such a shambolic Parliament?

    No, it's not.
    And yet they sit in Stormont - not to mention the "usurper" Dáil Éireann :)
  • Artist said:

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.


    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.


    I'm surprised they aren't getting people to GOTV in Crewe and Nantwich.
    Yes, surprised, they must think they have lost it as they are campaigning in several seats around it.

    I also missed out Broxtowe :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    chestnut said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
    Bradford West?
    Carlisle
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    TGOHF said:

    Tomorrows Sun front page utter genius.

    I was worried when you posted that. Just checked it, that's crap, even for The Scums anti-Miliband efforts.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680

    Broxtowe? Or is it outside 100 miles?

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Yes Broxtowe is on the list, as is Loughborough, Erewash, Derby N, Sherwood and Amber Valley.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,809

    chestnut said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
    Bradford West?
    Sheffield?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    Neil said:

    I'm beginning to think that everyone should vote tactically for the party most likely to win to save us all from the horrible prospect of having to re-run what must be the most goddam awful GE ever before the end of the year.

    How about adding a few extras into the next campaign eg cricket 'power plays' and 'jokers' from Its A Knockout.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    HYUFD said:

    UKIP at 16% with Survation and 12% with BMG with the Tories and Labour neck and neck Cameron needs to squeeze that vote

    O/T Perhaps the most enlightening perspective on the General Election 'Educating Joey Essex' on ITV2 this evening, including Joey meeting Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband and Priti Patel

    What was the verdict?

    Try eastwestrail.org.uk for details of the new link project for the rail between Cambridge and Oxford.

    The new old Varsity Line shut in 1966 :)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    chestnut said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
    CAR fing LISLE!!
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,477

    hunchman said:

    Don't understand all the activity in Hampstead & Kilburn - the Tories haven't got a chance in a month of Sundays there surely?!

    Correct.
    I have a few friends there, some first time voters, all apparently voting Tory :)
    Good for them. They will keep the size of the majority down.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    edited May 2015
    Tomorrow's sun front page: Save Our Bacon

    https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/595705535195906048/photo/1
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    HYUFD said:

    FU

    No need to be rude, HYUFD :)
  • notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Bootle?
    Carlisle
    Thanet S !!??
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited May 2015

    TGOHF said:

    Tomorrows Sun front page utter genius.

    I was worried when you posted that. Just checked it, that's crap, even for The Scums anti-Miliband efforts.
    @SunPolitics: Tomorrow's front page: Save Our Bacon http://t.co/CDVSfBB4Ug

    The thumbs up Nicola is the cherry.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    chestnut said:

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Glasgow East?
    CAR fing LISLE!!
    Didn't he go up there last time?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,150
    YouGov = YawnGov :)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,591

    Tomorrow's sun front page: Save Our Bacon

    htps://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/595705535195906048/photo/1

    The personal image attacks weren't working The Sun, for gods sake stop it!
  • Broxtowe? Or is it outside 100 miles?

    Just had an e-mail from William Hague (ahem) asking me on GOTV on Thursday, which would seem like a good proxy for where the Conservatives are defending or think they can take seats.

    The following came back within 25 miles of N London:

    Finchley / Golders Green
    Sutton and Cheam
    Enfield North
    Thurrock
    Twickenham
    Hendon
    Battersea
    Stevenage
    Watford
    Ealing C
    Harrow East
    Ilford North
    Harrow West
    S Basildon / E Thurrock
    Brentford / Isleworth
    Hampstead and Kilburn
    Croydon Central
    Kingston and Surbiton

    So no Carshalton but seems like the Conservatives still think they can bump off Vince (despite Geoffrey's endorsement) and take H&K.

    I then thought why not do round my parents in Manchester and then upped it to 100 miles. The following came back:

    Pendle
    Pudsey
    Halesowen / Rowley Regis
    Dudley North
    Lincoln
    Cannock Chase
    Chester
    Dudley South
    Northampton North
    Hazel Grove
    Nuneaton
    Dewsbury
    Erewash
    Birmingham Northfield
    Bury North
    Blackpool North
    Stockton South
    Loughborough
    Middlesborough South / E Cleveland
    Sherwood
    Solihull
    Keighley
    Halifax
    Telford
    Warrington South
    Colne Valley
    Elmet and Rothwell
    Louth and Horncastle
    Derby North
    High Peak
    Morley and Outwood
    Corby
    Wirral West
    Morecame and Lunesdale
    Wolverhampton SE
    Rossendale and Darwen
    Sherwood
    Amber Valley
    Cheadle
    Lancaster and Fleetwood
    Weaver Vale
    Boston and Skegness
    NE Derbyshire
    N Warwickshire
    Walsall North

    Not sure how these correspond to the 40/40 strategy but a few individual seats sprung to mind: (1) they think they can still take Ed B; (2) was surprised at Cheadle, which I had thought would be very likely LD; (3) no mention of Chorley, which some had mentioned as a possible Con gain from Labour; (4) North West strategy all about holding seats but the Conservatives think they can take several from Labour in the West Midlands and a few in Yorkshire.

    Not sure how much of this is new / illuminating.





    Sorry, Andrea - I had missed out Broxtowe by mistake. As someone said earlier though, interesting Crewe not on the list (I went through it again to make sure I had not missed more out).
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    notme said:

    hunchman said:

    Really confused about this election right now. Look where Ed Miliband was today - Bedford and Warwickshire North! That's their number 1 Tory target for goodness sake. I've never known the polls be so out of line with where the party leaders are visiting. Look at Cameron - he's gone to so many of the Lib Dem target seats they have as well as Hendon today which I'd got as a dead cert Labour gain. Can anyone explain this complete disconnect between the polls and party leader visits?

    Wait until you find out where the Prime Minister is holding his eve of election rally. Will make your head explode.
    Bootle?
    Carlisle
    Thanet S !!??
    Its a Cumbrian seat can't remember which one!!!
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