Surely if the "grossly offensive" material is political in nature and can be shown to be such then ECHR over-rules any ruling based on the Communcations Act ?
Collins also decides that section 127 is compatible with article 10 ECHR. It is binding authority on all domestic courts. It would only be reconsidered if a contrary decision of the Strasbourg Court was promulgated.
I briefly read that this is based on a telephone call.
The discussion was based on posting online, which as I understand it is classed as "publishing" and would therefore fall under ECHR on press freedom?
Also as you state the case you quote has not been appealled to Strasbourg so is still open to final consideration under ECHR?
Survation on behalf of the Daily Mirror release their latest general election poll. Survation interviewed 1,205 adults between 22nd-23rd April 2015.
Headline voting intention (with change in brackets since our last poll on 3 April): LAB 29% (-4); CON 33% (-1); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 10% (+3); SNP 4% (NC); GRE 4% (+1); OTH 1% (-1)
The Green candidate seems to be baffled that Nick Palmer is even standing as a Labour candidate.
David Kirwan, Green candidate, said:
"It's the latest in a string of Labour policies that Nick is opposed to. He is not standing as an independent MP he is standing as a Labour MP."
That seems strange - As an MP he was such a loyalist he was described as being an mp who would "eat his own feet".
You have to love career politicians.
To be fair on Nick Palmer; he is not a party drone intent on preferment. He knows that he will be a backbencher and has a little more freedom as a result.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges hits the nail on the head - Ed Miliband needs several Oscar's for ill thought out policies
Policies that are going to give Miliband a plurality, according to the polls ten days before the GE. A plurality I have been predicting for a year.
Ed is not stupid. He's potentially a menace to the wellbeing of the nation, but he's not stupid.
People are not voting for Ed's policies, they are voting against the Tories. That's FPTP for you. It gives governments and parties mandates for not being someone else. It's no way to run a country.
Survation on behalf of the Daily Mirror release their latest general election poll. Survation interviewed 1,205 adults between 22nd-23rd April 2015.
Headline voting intention (with change in brackets since our last poll on 3 April): LAB 29% (-4); CON 33% (-1); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 10% (+3); SNP 4% (NC); GRE 4% (+1); OTH 1% (-1)
Said it before...somebody is going to get egg on their face...Is Labour at Brown-ian levels or Tony Blair levels....somebody is wrong.
Survation on behalf of the Daily Mirror release their latest general election poll. Survation interviewed 1,205 adults between 22nd-23rd April 2015.
Headline voting intention (with change in brackets since our last poll on 3 April): LAB 29% (-4); CON 33% (-1); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 10% (+3); SNP 4% (NC); GRE 4% (+1); OTH 1% (-1)
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges hits the nail on the head - Ed Miliband needs several Oscar's for ill thought out policies
Policies that are going to give Miliband a plurality, according to the polls ten days before the GE. A plurality I have been predicting for a year.
Ed is not stupid. He's potentially a menace to the wellbeing of the nation, but he's not stupid.
I always marvel at Hodges and his disciples on here describing Ed M as stupid. Ruthless,yes, ,motivated, yes, underestimated by his opponents yes.The only people who think Ed is stupid are those with an axe to grind or, err, stupid.
'The labour party under Ed miliband is really starting to worry me.
General election 2015: Labour will toughen hate crimes legislation surrounding Islamophobia'
Desperate stuff, a great vote loser.
would charlie hebdo be banned under Miliband. this man is utterly dangerous, freedom of speech as we know it is being destroyed, what about Christians right to speak what they believe, whats Miliband going to do next ban the bible? like they did in USSR?
As for Cameron forgetting his football team, AT LEAST HE DIDNT FORGET THE DEFICIT!!
'The labour party under Ed miliband is really starting to worry me.
General election 2015: Labour will toughen hate crimes legislation surrounding Islamophobia'
Desperate stuff, a great vote loser.
would charlie hebdo be banned under Miliband. this man is utterly dangerous, freedom of speech as we know its being destroyed, what about Christians right to speak what they believe, whats Miliband going to do next ban the bible? like they did in USSR?
As for Cameron forgetting his football team, AT LEAST HE DIDNT FORGET THE DEFECIT!!
I briefly read that this is based on a telephone call.
The discussion was based on posting online, which as I understand it is classed as "publishing" and would therefore fall under ECHR on press freedom?
Also as you state the case you quote has not been appealled to Strasbourg so is still open to final consideration under ECHR?
No distinction of principle can be made between sending messages on one public telecommunications system, voice telephony, as opposed to another, the internet. The Act applies with equal force to both. The argument that section 127 violated article 10 was considered so hopeless that it was not properly argued before the House of Lords. In any event, the Strasbourg case law on article 10 is fairly weak, affording states a wide margin of appreciation in determining whether or not an interference with article 10 rights can be objectively justified (see, for example, the leading case of Handyside v UK (1979-80) 1 EHRR 737). There is nothing to think that Strasbourg would have impugned the House of Lords' straightforward application of its case law on the subject.
Did police turn blind eye to corrupt Muslim mayor for fear of being branded racist?
CALLS have been made for an urgent investigation into the police operation at the London borough where corrupt mayor Lutfur Rahman spent five years in office.
I reckon CLegg's words today were less to do with what he is going or not going to do with the General Election, and more about desperately trying to shore up the Con-Lib marginals, particularly in the Southwest.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges hits the nail on the head - Ed Miliband needs several Oscar's for ill thought out policies
Policies that are going to give Miliband a plurality, according to the polls ten days before the GE. A plurality I have been predicting for a year.
Ed is not stupid. He's potentially a menace to the wellbeing of the nation, but he's not stupid.
Or not even a plurality, either in votes or seats, but still PM nonetheless.
Yeah, I'm kind of resigned to Ed M PM, now. My main solace is that his government will, most likely, be ridiculously unstable, subject to the torments of Nats, and end up hated by 98% of Britons within a year or so.
But what damage will he do interim?
A lot, if the SNP vote with him.
A very small beacon of hope is that the Tories, LDs, DUP and UKIP could ambush Labour occasionally on stupid left-wing/cultural marxist measures (they will have 300-310 MPs between them, to Labour/Green/SDLP/PC 275-285 odd) if the SNP abstain. However, that requires a strong Tory leader, and a Cleggite LD leader, all willing to act in unison for the good of the country.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 7m7 minutes ago Give his rent policy, if Ed Miliband's ahead in the polls this time next week a lot of people are going to start geting posession notices.
Hopefully mystic Dan will be in receipt of said notice!
Dan Hodges hits the nail on the head - Ed Miliband needs several Oscar's for ill thought out policies
Policies that are going to give Miliband a plurality, according to the polls ten days before the GE. A plurality I have been predicting for a year.
Ed is not stupid. He's potentially a menace to the wellbeing of the nation, but he's not stupid.
Or not even a plurality, either in votes or seats, but still PM nonetheless.
Yeah, I'm kind of resigned to Ed M PM, now. My main solace is that his government will, most likely, be ridiculously unstable, subject to the torments of Nats, and end up hated by 98% of Britons within a year or so.
But what damage will he do interim?
I think you will find you are still underestimating him. What price Ed B will present a budget "steady as she goes" with 50% HRT and one or two other relatively inexpensive but popular give-aways, form a commission to see how the mansion tax can be implemented etc. etc.
Did police turn blind eye to corrupt Muslim mayor for fear of being branded racist?
Well the judge certainly thought so, he made sure to reference that and to attack the principle of the authorities doing so in this case and more generally in his afterword, so an investigation would seem warranted.
I always love how deliciously deluded Hodges and people like him show themselves to be when they make comments like this. It's as if they think landlords are giving people places to stay out of the goodness of their hearts, rather than because it makes them money. If they were to evict all their tenants, then they'd be losing out on a hell of a lot more money than if they had to submit to the greater regulation.
Alternatively, they think there is a better place to put their money.
They put their properties up for sale, a surplus of properties for sale develops, house price falls ensue so all homeowners feel poorer, restrain their spending and the economy pays the price.
charles hymas @charleshymas 1m1 minute ago #yougov #sundaytimes Peter Kellner forecasts election night Con 34, Lab 33, ukip 12, libdem 11, green 4, snp 5, others 1
I think 33 is a touch high for Labour. I'd go for 35-32-13-10, but even that requires a lot of faith in the ability of the Labour GOTV machine to pull their voters kicking and screaming to the polls. And what of the minority Labour government that will probably ensue? Supported, somewhat reluctantly, by just 20% of the electorate, and with no real friends (save the SDLP)? Letting the prospect sink in, I'm becoming sure there'll be another election this year. On May 8th, while a dozen bigwigs meet to argue about non-coalitions, every activist (if they've got any sense) will be back out campaigning.
This whole Tory line is way OTT, but as we saw in the Scottish Indy vote, fear is surprisingly effective and also after it, there are a lot of English voters who have a real dislike of SNP, Barnett formula, etc etc etc (not matter how true / untrue it may be).
Did think it is was funny the Welsh Nationalists calling for similar levels of funding as the Scots, cos not fair. What about everybody get the same level of funding, regardless....tumbleweed....what you mean is, GIVE US MORE MONEY....
@craigawoodhouse: Looking at small print of Labour rent control plan, prices can rise above inflation every 3 years. So presumably they will, big style.
charles hymas @charleshymas 1m1 minute ago #yougov #sundaytimes Peter Kellner forecasts election night Con 34, Lab 33, ukip 12, libdem 11, green 4, snp 5, others 1
I think 33 is a touch high for Labour. I'd go for 35-32-13-10, but even that requires a lot of faith in the ability of the Labour GOTV machine to pull their voters kicking and screaming to the polls.
Basically, my view. I expect the Tories to be 2-3% ahead on the day given current polling.
I don't think Ed M will be as dangerous as people think. He's too smart to take action which would be genuinely destabilizing. He'll tone down rhetoric, change position. That's what governments of all stripes do, and he's a professional and experienced politician. Maybe his instincts are as people describe in fearful tones below, but his head overrules that I think. It'll be ok, if a bumpy ride at times.
What will be interesting is how the left in his party react to him toning things down if/when he has to.
charles hymas @charleshymas 1m1 minute ago #yougov #sundaytimes Peter Kellner forecasts election night Con 34, Lab 33, ukip 12, libdem 11, green 4, snp 5, others 1
I think 33 is a touch high for Labour. I'd go for 35-32-13-10, but even that requires a lot of faith in the ability of the Labour GOTV machine to pull their voters kicking and screaming to the polls. And what of the minority Labour government that will probably ensue? Supported, somewhat reluctantly, by just 20% of the electorate, and with no real friends (save the SDLP)? Letting the prospect sink in, I'm becoming sure there'll be another election this year. On May 8th, while a dozen bigwigs meet to argue about non-coalitions, every activist (if they've got any sense) will be back out campaigning.
How would they campaign - with the same policies that caused deadlock - and how could they afford it
charles hymas @charleshymas 1m1 minute ago #yougov #sundaytimes Peter Kellner forecasts election night Con 34, Lab 33, ukip 12, libdem 11, green 4, snp 5, others 1
I think 33 is a touch high for Labour. I'd go for 35-32-13-10, but even that requires a lot of faith in the ability of the Labour GOTV machine to pull their voters kicking and screaming to the polls. And what of the minority Labour government that will probably ensue? Supported, somewhat reluctantly, by just 20% of the electorate, and with no real friends (save the SDLP)? Letting the prospect sink in, I'm becoming sure there'll be another election this year. On May 8th, while a dozen bigwigs meet to argue about non-coalitions, every activist (if they've got any sense) will be back out campaigning.
Kellner forecast has varied a fair old bit. He had a comfortable Tory win for quite a while and I said at the time I couldn't see how he was getting that, given his own polling company wasn't showing anything like that.
I briefly read that this is based on a telephone call.
The discussion was based on posting online, which as I understand it is classed as "publishing" and would therefore fall under ECHR on press freedom?
Also as you state the case you quote has not been appealled to Strasbourg so is still open to final consideration under ECHR?
No distinction of principle can be made between sending messages on one public telecommunications system, voice telephony, as opposed to another, the internet. The Act applies with equal force to both. The argument that section 127 violated article 10 was considered so hopeless that it was not properly argued before the House of Lords. In any event, the Strasbourg case law on article 10 is fairly weak, affording states a wide margin of appreciation in determining whether or not an interference with article 10 rights can be objectively justified (see, for example, the leading case of Handyside v UK (1979-80) 1 EHRR 737). There is nothing to think that Strasbourg would have impugned the House of Lords' straightforward application of its case law on the subject.
I'm obviously not a lawyer but my understanding is that Secton 10 ECHR is almost meaningless for individuals due to the various interpretations made by the court, however for the press it is absolute. As the internet is deemed publication then surely the argument may exist that there is a difference?
My personal view is that the lack of absolute guarantees of freedom of expression are a major and fundamental flaw in ECHR that the public need to be reviewed but the politicians will never allow.
I am pretty Islamophonic. If people want to practise their Moslem faith, that's fine. But they have to accept others will not share their views. Allah will sort it all out anyway, and me and many others will burn in hell. But in this life, I'll carry on believing my daughter is entitled to every freedom and opportunity my sons have, thank-you very much; and I'll be phobic about anyone or any religion that says otherwise, or whose followers do. Fuck 'em.
Ed should be steering well clear of this. That he isn't just tells me he is not up to leadership. We have enough laws already to deal with hate that leads to physical attack and discrimination. Verbal attack is not nice when suffered, but can be recovered from or, even better, ignored.
Agreed. That is what frustrates me at times. We have very good laws already. The problem with Ed is that he's trying to be all things to all people and the danger is that he'll fall into the huge hole in the middle.
Anyway, the focus should be on improving social mobility, reducing the tax burden of the poorest in our society and tightening laws so that the rich pay their fair share and a determined focus on world class public services (and if that means nationalising the railways so be it).
PS - I have Labour seats in a range from 248 (bad night) to 283 (good night) - that sound right to folk here?
In fairness the bit below the headline seems to specify it as the biggest 'constitutional crisis' rather than just crisis. I don't think papers like using the word constitutional in main headlines - not only too long, but too boring.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
@craigawoodhouse: Looking at small print of Labour rent control plan, prices can rise above inflation every 3 years. So presumably they will, big style.
Isn't there also something about you can see what the last renters paid, so in theory the landlord wont do that....however, what you going to do if it is just standard practice that every landlord just bumps them up by 10% to cover the next 3 years.
charles hymas @charleshymas 1m1 minute ago #yougov #sundaytimes Peter Kellner forecasts election night Con 34, Lab 33, ukip 12, libdem 11, green 4, snp 5, others 1
I think 33 is a touch high for Labour. I'd go for 35-32-13-10, but even that requires a lot of faith in the ability of the Labour GOTV machine to pull their voters kicking and screaming to the polls. And what of the minority Labour government that will probably ensue? Supported, somewhat reluctantly, by just 20% of the electorate, and with no real friends (save the SDLP)? Letting the prospect sink in, I'm becoming sure there'll be another election this year. On May 8th, while a dozen bigwigs meet to argue about non-coalitions, every activist (if they've got any sense) will be back out campaigning.
Meanwhile the Tories quickly anoint BoJo, and we have Boris Johnson as PM by end of the year...in fact, you wonder whether the lacklustre performance by some of the CON campaign is for exactly that reason ;-)
I am pretty Islamophonic. If people want to practise their Moslem faith, that's fine. But they have to accept others will not share their views. Allah will sort it all out anyway, and me and many others will burn in hell. But in this life, I'll carry on believing my daughter is entitled to every freedom and opportunity my sons have, thank-you very much; and I'll be phobic about anyone or any religion that says otherwise, or whose followers do. Fuck 'em.
Ed should be steering well clear of this. That he isn't just tells me he is not up to leadership. We have enough laws already to deal with hate that leads to physical attack and discrimination. Verbal attack is not nice when suffered, but can be recovered from or, even better, ignored.
Agreed. That is what frustrates me at times. We have very good laws already. The problem with Ed is that he's trying to be all things to all people and the danger is that he'll fall into the huge hole in the middle.
Anyway, the focus should be on improving social mobility, reducing the tax burden of the poorest in our society and tightening laws so that the rich pay their fair share and a determined focus on world class public services (and if that means nationalising the railways so be it).
PS - I have Labour seats in a range from 248 (bad night) to 283 (good night) - that sound right to folk here?
I always love how deliciously deluded Hodges and people like him show themselves to be when they make comments like this. It's as if they think landlords are giving people places to stay out of the goodness of their hearts, rather than because it makes them money. If they were to evict all their tenants, then they'd be losing out on a hell of a lot more money than if they had to submit to the greater regulation.
Alternatively, they think there is a better place to put their money.
They put their properties up for sale, a surplus of properties for sale develops, house price falls ensue so all homeowners feel poorer, restrain their spending and the economy pays the price.
Stability is key.
Rent controls have effect slowly. By freezing rents you create diincentives to move ane eventally to major discrepancies between people in the same accommodation. Landlords have an incentive to make life difficult for the tenant to stay, so they can rent to someone else at a less controlled rate. It takes time and inflation to do this though. If rents are stable anyway then there is little benefit.
Welcome back Mr Rachman, we need you to solve our housing problems.
I reckon CLegg's words today were less to do with what he is going or not going to do with the General Election, and more about desperately trying to shore up the Con-Lib marginals, particularly in the Southwest.
The impression I get by the whole Liberal debacle since 2010 is that they genuinely believe their own hype. They believed that their ability to retain seats was absolutely irrefutable (despite actually losing seats in 2010 despite increased popularity).
They have effectively signed their own death warrant by ignoring all the evidence and believing their own expectations.
I don't think Ed M will be as dangerous as people think. He's too smart to take action which would be genuinely destabilizing. He'll tone down rhetoric, change position. That's what governments of all stripes do, and he's a professional and experienced politician. Maybe his instincts are as people describe in fearful tones below, but his head overrules that I think. It'll be ok, if a bumpy ride at times.
What will be interesting is how the left in his party react to him toning things down if/when he has to.
I think he's in earnest, actually. But it's the right of the Labour party (or what passes for it) that will try to keep him in check, if anything.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Wasn't there some Tory who dislikes Cameron more or less say this the other day? Cameron doesn't really want to go on?
@stephenpollard 9m9 minutes ago Anyone who doubted Miliband wants to return to the 1970s...rent controls. Seriously, rent controls. Bonkers doesn't even come close.
It is difficult to understand precisely what this policy will mean in practice. According to the BBC, "The rent cap would not apply to those who have agreed shorter contracts with their landlords, such as students or business people needing flexibility." In other words, it will be possible to contract out of the rent cap. The reason the Rent Acts caused so much damage until the Housing Act 1988 was the courts' invariable application of the principle that it was impossible to contract out of the Rent Acts. It may well be that Miliband is dishonestly grandstanding, or that he genuinely believes that landlords will take up a policy which they can contract out of.
'The labour party under Ed miliband is really starting to worry me.
General election 2015: Labour will toughen hate crimes legislation surrounding Islamophobia'
Desperate stuff, a great vote loser.
would charlie hebdo be banned under Miliband. this man is utterly dangerous, freedom of speech as we know it is being destroyed, what about Christians right to speak what they believe, whats Miliband going to do next ban the bible? like they did in USSR?
I have to admit I'm an Islamophobe. I'm also a Christianophobe. I think the believers in these fairytales are a source of a lot of unhappiness in the world. However I wouldn't deny them the right to continue in their misguided beliefs.
Read Milibands words. “We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.
He is not talking about Islamophobia per se but about hate crime and attacks based on Islamophobia. I feel quite safe under a Miliband admisnistration as I do not intend my Islamophobia to result in hate crimes and attacks.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Said this 4-5 times now, and was totally missed by the professional media. The big reveal of that interview with Landale, wasn't "I am ruling out a 3rd term", it was the answer he gave to "do you enjoy the job of being PM".
It was not the answer of a man who loves doing the job, is willing to fight with everything he has got to keep it, it was the answer of a man who was thinking well if it get it, fine, if I don't, great plenty of time to spend with the kids and a few million from a spot of business consultancy / public speaking.
I reckon CLegg's words today were less to do with what he is going or not going to do with the General Election, and more about desperately trying to shore up the Con-Lib marginals, particularly in the Southwest.
The impression I get by the whole Liberal debacle since 2010 is that they genuinely believe their own hype. They believed that their ability to retain seats was absolutely irrefutable (despite actually losing seats in 2010 despite increased popularity).
They have effectively signed their own death warrant by ignoring all the evidence and believing their own expectations.
They have been a remarkably steady bunch, marching grim faced or not so grim faced to their doom. Someone should do a case study with the ousted LD MPs to see what they really felt about things as the years went by with no sign of recovery (in fact things got worse in the last year) and how much of the strangely unified, optimistic facade presented they had believed. Some of the MPs who seem to think they have a chance defy belief, I am sure.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Wasn't there some Tory who dislikes Cameron more or less say this the other day? Cameron doesn't really want to go on?
I think he does want to win, but on his terms. That basically means a 2nd coalition with a clear Con-LD majority in the HoC.
I don't think Cameron actively wants to be beaten, he's a competitive guy, but if he knows he's on course for a win-in-name only, or a narrow loss, then he's not going to be dancing around the room on the campaign trail.
I don't think Ed M will be as dangerous as people think. He's too smart to take action which would be genuinely destabilizing. He'll tone down rhetoric, change position. That's what governments of all stripes do, and he's a professional and experienced politician. Maybe his instincts are as people describe in fearful tones below, but his head overrules that I think. It'll be ok, if a bumpy ride at times.
What will be interesting is how the left in his party react to him toning things down if/when he has to.
I think he's in earnest, actually. But it's the right of the Labour party (or what passes for it) that will try to keep him in check, if anything.
I think he's earnest in wanting to do it, and says as much of what he wants to do as he thinks will not put off the electorate, but he can restrain himself if the reality of the situation means he has little choice, and that he can do so without too much internal difficulty.
@alexmassie: Rent control is such an obviously bad idea you wonder it has taken Miliband so long to endorse it.Anyway read Krugman http://t.co/b37IbGUIFr
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Said this 4-5 times now, and was totally missed by the professional media. The big reveal of that interview with Landale, wasn't "I am ruling out a 3rd term", it was the answer he gave to "do you enjoy the job of being PM".
It was not the answer of a man who loves doing the job, is willing to fight with everything he has got to keep it, it was the answer of a man who was thinking well if it get it, fine, if I don't, great plenty of time to spend with the kids and a few million from a spot of business consultancy / public speaking.
Yes, I remember his answer to that too; "I wouldn't say 'enjoy'..."
It was a very honest (and revealing) interview. Of course, that very fact is why most politicians aren't very honest and most of their interviews aren't very revealing.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Wasn't there some Tory who dislikes Cameron more or less say this the other day? Cameron doesn't really want to go on?
@craigawoodhouse: Looking at small print of Labour rent control plan, prices can rise above inflation every 3 years. So presumably they will, big style.
Yes -- according to the Mirror, increases are capped at inflation within a 3 yr tenancy, beyond that, the only obligation is to inform the renter what the previous rent was - there is no "cap" on any increase.
As with much Milibandism there is less to this than meets the eye.
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Wasn't there some Tory who dislikes Cameron more or less say this the other day? Cameron doesn't really want to go on?
I think he does want to win, but on his terms. That basically means a 2nd coalition with a clear Con-LD majority in the HoC.
I don't think Cameron actively wants to be beaten, he's a competitive guy, but if he knows he's on course for a win-in-name only, or a narrow loss, then he's not going to be dancing around the room on the campaign trail.
I didn't actually put much weight on what he said as he is always having a pop at Cameron. Tim Montgomerie. God knows what has gone on there.
I reckon CLegg's words today were less to do with what he is going or not going to do with the General Election, and more about desperately trying to shore up the Con-Lib marginals, particularly in the Southwest.
The impression I get by the whole Liberal debacle since 2010 is that they genuinely believe their own hype. They believed that their ability to retain seats was absolutely irrefutable (despite actually losing seats in 2010 despite increased popularity).
They have effectively signed their own death warrant by ignoring all the evidence and believing their own expectations.
They have been a remarkably steady bunch, marching grim faced or not so grim faced to their doom. Someone should do a case study with the ousted LD MPs to see what they really felt about things as the years went by with no sign of recovery (in fact things got worse in the last year) and how much of the strangely unified, optimistic facade presented they had believed. Some of the MPs who seem to think they have a chance defy belief, I am sure.
Do you think you would get honest answers?
I think it will all come down to "it's all Nick's fault" even though the reality would be that most of them really did believe they were hugely popular with their constituents with massive personal votes. It is very easy for a human being to believe they are far more popular and well liked than they really are.
But who would admit that is the case! Much easier to blame a convenient scape-goat after the event.
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
Thinking about Ed Miliband and David Cameron, which one comes across to you as wanting to win the most? David Cameron 27% Ed Miliband50%
I voted in that one. Maybe Cameron isn't up for this, or maybe it's just his general demeanour, but I certainly agreed Ed came across as wanting to win the most. He's been so disciplined, efficient, and his personal performances have mostly been good (I personally disliked his Davis interview though). Cameron? IDK, it just feels less urgent, less yearning.
Ed really wants it. He is very hungry to win, and has been working hard accordingly. Meanwhile Cameron seems a bit 'meh', which some voters might view as complacent, whilst also seemingly rather nervous about losing.
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Wasn't there some Tory who dislikes Cameron more or less say this the other day? Cameron doesn't really want to go on?
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
You will have a problem with Sturgeon - she's not standing
@craigawoodhouse: Looking at small print of Labour rent control plan, prices can rise above inflation every 3 years. So presumably they will, big style.
Yes -- according to the Mirror, increases are capped at inflation within a 3 yr tenancy, beyond that, the only obligation is to inform the renter what the previous rent was - there is no "cap" on any increase.
As with much Milibandism there is less to this than meets the eye.
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
You will have a problem with Sturgeon - she's not standing
@stephenpollard 9m9 minutes ago Anyone who doubted Miliband wants to return to the 1970s...rent controls. Seriously, rent controls. Bonkers doesn't even come close.
It is difficult to understand precisely what this policy will mean in practice. According to the BBC, "The rent cap would not apply to those who have agreed shorter contracts with their landlords, such as students or business people needing flexibility." In other words, it will be possible to contract out of the rent cap. The reason the Rent Acts caused so much damage until the Housing Act 1988 was the courts' invariable application of the principle that it was impossible to contract out of the Rent Acts. It may well be that Miliband is dishonestly grandstanding, or that he genuinely believes that landlords will take up a policy which they can contract out of.
The false market that any such enactment creates only ever rebounds to the benefit of the stronger party. For example, the policy would seem to allow a real rent increase every three years. A bigger increase after three years will disrupt ordinary households the most.
It is Labour's plan to pretend we don't desperately need more housing.
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
roadto326 @roadto326 10m10 minutes ago Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
You will have a problem with Sturgeon - she's not standing
'The labour party under Ed miliband is really starting to worry me.
General election 2015: Labour will toughen hate crimes legislation surrounding Islamophobia'
Desperate stuff, a great vote loser.
would charlie hebdo be banned under Miliband. this man is utterly dangerous, freedom of speech as we know it is being destroyed, what about Christians right to speak what they believe, whats Miliband going to do next ban the bible? like they did in USSR?
I have to admit I'm an Islamophobe. I'm also a Christianophobe. I think the believers in these fairytales are a source of a lot of unhappiness in the world. However I wouldn't deny them the right to continue in their misguided beliefs.
Read Milibands words. “We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.
He is not talking about Islamophobia per se but about hate crime and attacks based on Islamophobia. I feel quite safe under a Miliband admisnistration as I do not intend my Islamophobia to result in hate crimes and attacks.
I think that you are rather complacent about this. There is a surprising amount of police investigation of tweets etc just for saying fairly straightforward remarks that are not violent.
Headline voting intention (change in brackets from our last Mail on Sunday poll on 21 March 2015): CON 33% (+3); LAB 30% (-4); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 9% (-1); SNP 5% (+1); GRE 4% (+1); OTHER 1% (-1)
It seems quite easy to solve the rent issue and it has nothing to do with controls. All it requires is to reduce the demand for lettable domestic property which is pretty trivial to do with appropriate tax legislation. This would increase the supply of owner occupied domestic property and force prices down to a more reasonable level. Of course politically this is difficult to do.
Difficult but not impossible. If Labour sold a new tax based on "owners of second properties needing to pay more for the huge profits they make off tenants" it might be popular enough amongst their electorate and potential electorate.
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The discussion was based on posting online, which as I understand it is classed as "publishing" and would therefore fall under ECHR on press freedom?
Also as you state the case you quote has not been appealled to Strasbourg so is still open to final consideration under ECHR?
Thank Muhammad I am at the Crucible all day!!
Headline voting intention (with change in brackets since our last poll on 3 April):
LAB 29% (-4); CON 33% (-1); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 10% (+3); SNP 4% (NC); GRE 4% (+1); OTH 1% (-1)
But they'll be very popular.
Hurrah
And same with UKIP, ~10 or nearly 20...
As for Cameron forgetting his football team, AT LEAST HE DIDNT FORGET THE DEFICIT!!
David Cameron 27%
Ed Miliband50%
Did police turn blind eye to corrupt Muslim mayor for fear of being branded racist?
CALLS have been made for an urgent investigation into the police operation at the London borough where corrupt mayor Lutfur Rahman spent five years in office.
A very small beacon of hope is that the Tories, LDs, DUP and UKIP could ambush Labour occasionally on stupid left-wing/cultural marxist measures (they will have 300-310 MPs between them, to Labour/Green/SDLP/PC 275-285 odd) if the SNP abstain. However, that requires a strong Tory leader, and a Cleggite LD leader, all willing to act in unison for the good of the country.
So, quite a few assumptions there.
The SNP won't vote it down.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/592064552059215872
They put their properties up for sale, a surplus of properties for sale develops, house price falls ensue so all homeowners feel poorer, restrain their spending and the economy pays the price.
Stability is key.
And what of the minority Labour government that will probably ensue? Supported, somewhat reluctantly, by just 20% of the electorate, and with no real friends (save the SDLP)? Letting the prospect sink in, I'm becoming sure there'll be another election this year. On May 8th, while a dozen bigwigs meet to argue about non-coalitions, every activist (if they've got any sense) will be back out campaigning.
Did think it is was funny the Welsh Nationalists calling for similar levels of funding as the Scots, cos not fair. What about everybody get the same level of funding, regardless....tumbleweed....what you mean is, GIVE US MORE MONEY....
What will be interesting is how the left in his party react to him toning things down if/when he has to.
My personal view is that the lack of absolute guarantees of freedom of expression are a major and fundamental flaw in ECHR that the public need to be reviewed but the politicians will never allow.
Anyway, the focus should be on improving social mobility, reducing the tax burden of the poorest in our society and tightening laws so that the rich pay their fair share and a determined focus on world class public services (and if that means nationalising the railways so be it).
PS - I have Labour seats in a range from 248 (bad night) to 283 (good night) - that sound right to folk here?
It's not surprising the voters have picked up on this.
Welcome back Mr Rachman, we need you to solve our housing problems.
They have effectively signed their own death warrant by ignoring all the evidence and believing their own expectations.
If Labour have cut the Tory lead with @Survation then it's a good night overall for them.
Read Milibands words. “We are going to change the law on this so we make it absolutely clear of our abhorrence of hate crime and Islamophobia. It will be the first time that the police will record Islamophobic attacks right across the country,” he said.
He is not talking about Islamophobia per se but about hate crime and attacks based on Islamophobia. I feel quite safe under a Miliband admisnistration as I do not intend my Islamophobia to result in hate crimes and attacks.
It was not the answer of a man who loves doing the job, is willing to fight with everything he has got to keep it, it was the answer of a man who was thinking well if it get it, fine, if I don't, great plenty of time to spend with the kids and a few million from a spot of business consultancy / public speaking.
I don't think Cameron actively wants to be beaten, he's a competitive guy, but if he knows he's on course for a win-in-name only, or a narrow loss, then he's not going to be dancing around the room on the campaign trail.
It was a very honest (and revealing) interview. Of course, that very fact is why most politicians aren't very honest and most of their interviews aren't very revealing.
"@EricPickles
Rent control appears to be the most efficient technique presently known to destroy a city except for bombing
Tim Montgomerie ن @montie 8m8 minutes ago
Tim Montgomerie ن retweeted Eric Pickles
Tories react calmly to Labour's idea of rent controls"
Brilliant!!!
As with much Milibandism there is less to this than meets the eye.
I think it will all come down to "it's all Nick's fault" even though the reality would be that most of them really did believe they were hugely popular with their constituents with massive personal votes. It is very easy for a human being to believe they are far more popular and well liked than they really are.
But who would admit that is the case! Much easier to blame a convenient scape-goat after the event.
Getting to the stage where I want to see a formal Lab/SNP coalition with Sturgeon and Salmond in the cabinet just to wind up the Mail/Sun
https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/592053194634694656
EDIT: Sorry: got my tabloid columnists mixed up. And no, I'm not outraged - just interested at the narrative going on.
She's leaving the UK on May 8th...
Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 6m6 minutes ago
Milifans response to Labour rent proposals is essentially "It will work because Ed has said it will work".
It is Labour's plan to pretend we don't desperately need more housing.
Delighted to see your powers of prediction undimmed - how many in England would be turned off by this whole Scots thing,,,....
The SNP.....cannot be trusted to act within the best interests of the UK
AGREE: 56
DISAGREE: 16
Chris Addison @mrchrisaddison 4m4 minutes ago
Daily Mail: "Scotland Causes Cancer"
CON - 33% (-)
LAB - 30% (+1)
UKIP - 18% (-)
LDEM - 9% (-1)
GRN - 4% (-)
Survation / Mail on Sunday General Election Poll
Headline voting intention (change in brackets from our last Mail on Sunday poll on 21 March 2015):
CON 33% (+3); LAB 30% (-4); UKIP 18% (+1); LD 9% (-1); SNP 5% (+1); GRE 4% (+1); OTHER 1% (-1)
Difficult but not impossible. If Labour sold a new tax based on "owners of second properties needing to pay more for the huge profits they make off tenants" it might be popular enough amongst their electorate and potential electorate.