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imagepoliticalbetting.com » Blog Archive » The first of tonight’s three polls has the Tories still ahead but their lead falls from four to one

Actually that @OpiniumResearch poll is Con 34 (-2) Lab 33 (+1) LD 9 (+1) UKIP 13 (nc) Greens 6 (+1) pic.twitter.com/Tpcy1ObelP

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  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    When are pollsters going to start asking whether people are registered to vote? And excluding anyone who isn't?

    When are we going to get final electorate numbers?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    The rise and rise of Edward Samuel Miliband, our next Prime Minister.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    Lib Dems now within reach of double digits.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    EICIPM again !
  • perdixperdix Posts: 1,806
    surbiton said:

    The rise and rise of Edward Samuel Miliband, our next Prime Minister.

    If true, God help us all.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    MikeL said:

    When are pollsters going to start asking whether people are registered to vote? And excluding anyone who isn't?

    When are we going to get final electorate numbers?

    Is there even a link to the numbers before Mondays registrations? It did seem to vary tremendously from seat to seat.
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486
    Let's see if the other Tory leads soften.

    But this was not how it was meant to be at this point, is it?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    edited April 2015
    Mr. Surbiton, we shall see.

    [Edited to remove a comparison which was, perhaps, a shade harsh].
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Danny565 said:

    Lib Dems now within reach of double digits.

    37 holding out strong against all comers
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    All polls should be ignored until the enormity of West Ham Villa has entered the national consciousness. Cameron and the Tories will be on political death row after that, with an appalled electorate desirous to pull the switch.
  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I think you know all about crapspeak. Can one chauffeur drive 2 jags?
    Strangely you seem to want to stop people cycling for fitness; I hardly think it's clever security to strap red boxes and official papers onto the crossbar.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,540
    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    If there are any Lib Dems about I'll be quite happy to trade £50 of 41-50 (I'm selling) for up to £50 of 1-10 seats.,
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    All polls should be ignored until the enormity of West Ham Villa has entered the national consciousness. Cameron and the Tories will be on political death row after that, with an appalled electorate desirous to pull the switch.

    It could be as big as Ed can't eat a bacon sandwich.

  • Flightpath1Flightpath1 Posts: 207
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    As opposed to weaponising drowning migrants.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    Maybe not broadcast news, but it's in the press.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Labour supporters can only muster tepid enthusiasm for EdM.
    Hopefully they won't bother voting.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    All polls should be ignored until the enormity of West Ham Villa has entered the national consciousness. Cameron and the Tories will be on political death row after that, with an appalled electorate desirous to pull the switch.

    It could be as big as Ed can't eat a bacon sandwich.

    Nowt as bigger than the mansion tax riots......Gamechanger!!!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Opinium = Broken, sleazy, scare-mongering Tories on the slide! :)
  • it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.

    If only
  • RobCRobC Posts: 398
    This absurd episode is a function I suggest of the absurd gaffe free protection zone placed over both Cameron and Miliband. Personally I'd prefer both to loosen up and get out a bit more on the real stump. Sometimes you have to take risks to win prizes.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    edited April 2015
    OT. I'm very surprised they allowed the 'lollipop' commercial. It's good but sexually suggestive ads are severely restricted. I had one for Mazda which ends with the car arriving at the leaning tower of Pisa and as the VO says 'Mazda 636 voted sexiest car by Italian men' the tower straightens. Not as subtle as 'lollipop' but probably funnier.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    I think West Ham are safe for now :relieved:
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    Or Man Utd.

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I think you know all about crapspeak. Can one chauffeur drive 2 jags?
    Strangely you seem to want to stop people cycling for fitness; I hardly think it's clever security to strap red boxes and official papers onto the crossbar.
    The sight of Roger mocking someone in the PM's position for having a driver is laughable.

    Your average Commercials Director has so many fawning minions running around after them, I doubt he even has to shake his own winky after a piddle.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.

    If only
    Cameron is gunning for a 'were you up for Abbot' moment
    Unfortunately for him, it's going to be a were you up for Chloe Smith night
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    FPT
    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    ARF!
  • West Ham supporters don't live locally anymore ,they have all moved out to Essex and Kent.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,568
    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited April 2015
    So according to the polls we can safely conclude that the SNP Tory pitch failed.

    So the Tories have switched to their latest gimmick "Cameron says he is a West Ham fan, vote Tory", and that joins their list of the Ed Is Crap and SNP Is The Devil as their main policy platform.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    edited April 2015
    Miliband needs to nail this West Ham Villa thing. He'll never have a greater opportunity to secure a landslide. I suggest he comes out wearing a full baseball kit with a sign saying 'This is what a true sports fan looks like'. He did it with cornish pasties with his trip to the Greggs shop and we were all very impressed. This could be the killer!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.

    If only
    Cameron is gunning for a 'were you up for Abbot' moment
    Unfortunately for him, it's going to be a were you up for Chloe Smith night
    Hmm bad breakfast for Dave if Chloe is gone. I think she'll hang on though.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    Pulpstar said:

    If there are any Lib Dems about I'll be quite happy to trade £50 of 41-50 (I'm selling) for up to £50 of 1-10 seats.,

    I reckon it is about 12x more likely that the LibDems end up on 10 seats or fewer than north of 41 seats.

    So, I doubt you'll get any takers.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Still, that Fiery Old Bird is giving you a run for your money.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited April 2015

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Miliband has claimed, unconvincingly, to be a Leeds United fan.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Were the leaflets sent out after Soubry had 'given up' ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Izzy

    "Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half."

    Very good!

    Sean. I'm surprised you haven't heard it anywhere. It's on just about every radio station I turn on. It does make you wonder whether there's anything happening in the world
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,653
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
    But where there are students, there are academics.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    SPUD
    The truest test of the way the political wind is blowing

    14 polls this week, from 9 different pollsters

    Con -10
    Lab -6
    UKIP +5
    LD +1
    Green NC
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Pulpstar said:

    it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.

    If only
    Cameron is gunning for a 'were you up for Abbot' moment
    Unfortunately for him, it's going to be a were you up for Chloe Smith night
    Hmm bad breakfast for Dave if Chloe is gone. I think she'll hang on though.
    I'm about a mile outside Norwich North and regularly travel it's environs, Chloe has a good smattering of posters and placards out but there are far more Labour/Jess Asato than there were in 2010. It's going to be close, although the SNP line has played well in Norwich, it is a talking point in the pubs (as a publican I can attest to that both in my boozer and in others I have been to over the last two weeks). I was confident for Jess by 1000, I now have it TCTC.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.
    I doubt, even in Cambridge, that 66% of students wash every day let alone would vote !!

  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Didn't we have a Survation a couple of days ago?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714
    edited April 2015

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Quite right Nick - an utterly foolish and counter-productive move by the Broxtowe Tories. They might as welll have issued a leaflet saying 'Nick Palmer: Jesus Christ's annointed candidate' and be done with!

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    West Ham supporters don't live locally anymore ,they have all moved out to Essex and Kent.

    This West Ham supporter lives in Ilford :)
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

    Privileged and brain dead, yes
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Miliband needs to nail this West Ham Villa thing. He'll never have a greater opportunity to secure a landslide. I suggest he comes out wearing a full baseball kit with a sign saying 'This is what a true sports fan looks like'. He did it with cornish pasties with his trip to the Greggs shop and we were all very impressed. This could be the killer!

    It may be a killer, but it's not a Tory Newton Dunn Gamechanger, so doesn't count.
  • Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Still a poor rating from Labour supporters though. How soft that part of the vote is anyones guess. If you are a candidate in a marginal, you just have to hope for the best.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,980
    Watcher

    "Your average Commercials Director has so many fawning minions running around after them, I doubt he even has to shake his own winky after a piddle."

    That was a true story I heard about Michael Winner during a very cold spell in Madrid. He apparently didn't want to take his gloves off and the whole crew were instructed to stand in a line behind him! I was told it by his obliging first assistant! (You're obviously in the business or a client?)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644
    EPG said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
    But where there are students, there are academics.
    Academics can't afford to live in Cambridge any more! It's more full of tech company employees than Guardian reading lecturers.

    For Huppert to lose Cambridge would require (a) the Ashcroft polling to be wildly wrong, and (b) the Labour Party to reverse its secular decline in the seat. The Labour Party has been going backwards here since 2011; I don't see that changing in 2015.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
    What about Anglia Ruskin? There must be a fair few thousand students at the Cambridge campus?
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    I actually don’t understand why supporters of both sides play this stupid game of bacon butties, Greggs pasties, second kitchens, fave football teams.

    It makes politicians look childish.

    And the net result is surely to make the job of a leading politician even more unattractive to any person of talent and ability.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

    Privileged and brain dead, yes

    George Osborne is a Chelsea fan; Dave is either the Villa or the Irons. So you may be right. And I say that as a Spurs fan. Or is it Arsenal?

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,644

    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
    What about Anglia Ruskin? There must be a fair few thousand students at the Cambridge campus?
    That's a good point. I don't know how big Ruskin is. That being said, the vast bulk of Ruskin students are in student houses, and therefore there is a likelihood that... errr... most of them won't have gotten around to registering :-)
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Haven't been on much the last couple of days, I'm away in Portugal for a few days, so don't know if this has been mentioned;
    "Labour would outlaw Islamophobia, says Miliband in an exclusive interview"
    http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

    Privileged and brain dead, yes

    George Osborne is a Chelsea fan; Dave is either the Villa or the Irons. So you may be right. And I say that as a Spurs fan. Or is it Arsenal?

    Given your inability to remember how you said you'll vote, then I'm not surprised you're confused.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Quite right Nick - an utterly foolish and counter-productive move by the Broxtowe Tories. They might as welll have issued a leaflet saying 'Nick Palmer: Jesus Christ's annointed candidate' and be done with!

    For sure - it's not clear to me why they're bothering with an election in Broxtowe. Apparently it's all about Nick. Has Anna left the country yet. Nick is clearly aaalllrrriiiggghhhtt!!!!!
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Still a poor rating from Labour supporters though. How soft that part of the vote is anyones guess. If you are a candidate in a marginal, you just have to hope for the best.
    In context where just 6 months ago Ed's ratings were in negative territory even with Labour supporters, the turnaround's been bloody spectacular tbh.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Haven't been on much the last couple of days, I'm away in Portugal for a few days, so don't know if this has been mentioned;
    "Labour would outlaw Islamophobia, says Miliband in an exclusive interview"
    http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/

    Lol what next - arachnaphobia?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,540
    Cameron's rating is 10% higher than Milliband's, which is what matters.
  • Haven't been on much the last couple of days, I'm away in Portugal for a few days, so don't know if this has been mentioned;
    "Labour would outlaw Islamophobia, says Miliband in an exclusive interview"
    http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/

    That's just a policy to outlaw UKIP innit?

    *Innocent Face*
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    Danny565 said:

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Still a poor rating from Labour supporters though. How soft that part of the vote is anyones guess. If you are a candidate in a marginal, you just have to hope for the best.
    In context where just 6 months ago Ed's ratings were in negative territory even with Labour supporters, the turnaround's been bloody spectacular tbh.
    Over those six months Labour's support has persistently dropped as the unenthused have looked elsewhere. He's a liability.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,483
    edited April 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FPT

    surbiton said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    If Lord Ashcroft Question 1 is completely right, and Q2 completely wrong then the Lib Dems are looking at an almost complete wipeout with just Carmichael and Farron left I reckon.

    Julian Huppert will hold on in Cambridge. I think there were a couple of SW London seats where the LDs were ahead even without Q2 too.
    Huppert gets a 7% swing from Q1 to Q2.
    My Labour party member friend in Cambridge thinks Huppert wins.

    I never argue with pessimism :-)
    OK but I have serious doubts about any Lib Dem in a University town. A Kingston University [ not comparable ] poll [ scientific ? ] shows support for the LDs dropping from 52% to 5%.
    I wouldn't over-estimate the size of the student vote in Cambridge. There are around 10,000 undergraduates at the University of Cambridge. Of these almost a quarter are from overseas, so that's 7,500 British students. Of these perhaps a third will vote in their parents constituency, and of the remaining, there will be perhaps 66% turnout.

    This means there are 3,500 or so University of Cambridge votes. If the LibDems got 50% last time and dropped to 5% this time, it would mean a loss of 1,750 votes. A large number, sure, but probably not enough to swing the election on its own.
    What about Anglia Ruskin? There must be a fair few thousand students at the Cambridge campus?
    That's a good point. I don't know how big Ruskin is. That being said, the vast bulk of Ruskin students are in student houses, and therefore there is a likelihood that... errr... most of them won't have gotten around to registering :-)
    According to their website, they have 35,000 postgrads and undergrads split amongst their campuses. But I couldn't find where it said how many were in Cambridge. At a rough guess: around 10,000?

    Doh! It was on the page I was on: it is more than 10,000 http://www.anglia.ac.uk/student-life/life-on-campus/cambridge-campus/welcome-to-our-cambridge-campus
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    The BBC have an interesting report on Broxtowe from a few days ago,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32277813

    The Green candidate seems to be baffled that Nick Palmer is even standing as a Labour candidate.

    David Kirwan, Green candidate, said:

    "It's the latest in a string of Labour policies that Nick is opposed to. He is not standing as an independent MP he is standing as a Labour MP."

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    Sean_F said:

    Cameron's rating is 10% higher than Milliband's, which is what matters.

    Cameron benefits from leading a government of two parties. But Ed is clearly not a deeply loved leader.

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

    Privileged and brain dead, yes

    George Osborne is a Chelsea fan; Dave is either the Villa or the Irons. So you may be right. And I say that as a Spurs fan. Or is it Arsenal?

    And part of the collective protecting the patriarchy. That's the point, yes
  • Miliband needs to nail this West Ham Villa thing. He'll never have a greater opportunity to secure a landslide. I suggest he comes out wearing a full baseball kit with a sign saying 'This is what a true sports fan looks like'. He did it with cornish pasties with his trip to the Greggs shop and we were all very impressed. This could be the killer!

    It may be a killer, but it's not a Tory Newton Dunn Gamechanger, so doesn't count.
    If this is a gamechanger it says more about how banal our media have become rather than anything about David Cameron
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    On the face of it, must look good for Labour !
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,313

    Haven't been on much the last couple of days, I'm away in Portugal for a few days, so don't know if this has been mentioned;
    "Labour would outlaw Islamophobia, says Miliband in an exclusive interview"
    http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/newspaper/top-stories/labour-to-outlaw-islamophobia-says-miliband-in-an-exclusive-interview/

    How do you outlaw fear of something?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Lilburne, with the same wit and foresight as one promises to freeze a commodity price shortly before it declines sharply.

    On a more serious note, one of the barbs with which the Tower Hamlets types tried to prevent justice prevailing was to play the race card and cry Islamophobia at every turn. How would this law affect such a situation there, or in Bradford, or elsewhere?

    And would it have outlawed the Charlie Hebdo edition after the massacre?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    Maybe not broadcast news, but it's in the press.
    Can't wait for HIGNFY
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    The BBC have an interesting report on Broxtowe from a few days ago,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32277813

    The Green candidate seems to be baffled that Nick Palmer is even standing as a Labour candidate.

    David Kirwan, Green candidate, said:

    "It's the latest in a string of Labour policies that Nick is opposed to. He is not standing as an independent MP he is standing as a Labour MP."

    HS2 doesn't divide along party lines, Engel is against it here.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC have an interesting report on Broxtowe from a few days ago,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32277813

    The Green candidate seems to be baffled that Nick Palmer is even standing as a Labour candidate.

    David Kirwan, Green candidate, said:

    "It's the latest in a string of Labour policies that Nick is opposed to. He is not standing as an independent MP he is standing as a Labour MP."

    HS2 doesn't divide along party lines, Engel is against it here.
    I understand that, I was wondering what the Green candidate meant by “..it’s the latest in a string of policies ...”

  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    I think there's a Panelbase/ST for Scotland due this evening, last time round it was SNP 45% and SLAB were on 29%. Will be interesting to see what impact the Tories SNP attackathon has had on SNP support levels.

    Funny article from the Independent:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/general-election-2015-an-snp-takeover-whatever-happened-to-democracy-10196366.html

    My favourite quote from it is:

    " the Democratic Unionist Party is likely to have eight MPs, who may be crucial in forming a government. Among their reasonable and measured policies is that homosexuality is a sin, and one of their councillors claimed hurricanes are God’s revenge for the “filthy practice of sodomy”.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Ishmael_X said:

    Pulpstar said:

    One thing with football loyalties - once you get outside Coventry, heading southeastwards - everyone supports a London team.

    I think it's more that all football fans are brainless morons who's incessant tribal chanting and casual violence reinforces the patriarchy.
    Harsh, but I see where you are coming from.

    Presumably what happens next is that some clever journalist tries to entrap Cameron by asking if he can name Aston Villa's current scrum half.
    Harsh but ultimately true. The entire structure of society is predicated on the ongoing dominance of white male faces and their privilege. Everything but everything ties into that and will continue to do so, and any attempt to alter or even bring that to air is seen as special case pleading or anti-social behaviour, the perpetrators mocked or demonised by the aforementioned patriarchy whilst the mass tune into the opium du jour and carry on regardless.

    Then again, I'm a privileged white male face, so I know nothing. What time is X factor on?
    Surely anyone who supports a Premier League football team is privileged, you have to be to be able to go to a match.

    My Season ticket at Leicester City costs about £25 per game and an under 18 ticket works out at about £10 per match. Its not bad value at all, though certainly variable entertainment. Its great to be able to shout at people in public!

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Miliband has claimed, unconvincingly, to be a Leeds United fan.
    Interesting choice the famous All White team known as Dirty Leeds...
    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    Villa are through to the FA Cup final. One would have thought even a plastic fan would have noticed!
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    West Ham supporters don't live locally anymore ,they have all moved out to Essex and Kent.

    Claret and blue going purple !
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Harriet and Mary Creagh has been sent to Glasgow to campign for Curran and Boy Sarwar.

    The others spotted on twitter

    Khan was in Battarsea this morning and in his constituency this afternoon
    Umunna: same as above
    Reeves: her constituency in the morning, Bradford East and West in the afternoon
    Balls: his constituency and Rother Valley
    Owen Smith: Vale of Glamorgan (many Welsh MPs and AMs were there today)
    Dugher: his constituency
    A Eagle: her constituency
    Ashworth: Stevenage
    Powell: Pendle
    Byrne: Dudley South, Wolverhampton SW and Halesowen
    Flint: her constituency
    McNicol (General Secretary): Scotland


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Calum, presumably he's a Scorpions fan?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw_Lf-JhdSU
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited April 2015

    Danny565 said:

    Miliband's disapproval rating is now the lowest of the 4 leaders and his approval rating is much the same as the party. Half the Tory campaign falls over (the local Tory leaflets have a picture of Ed captioned "Miliband's Broxtowe candidate"). And he doesn't even pretend to like football - he's a baseball fan IIRC.

    Still a poor rating from Labour supporters though. How soft that part of the vote is anyones guess. If you are a candidate in a marginal, you just have to hope for the best.
    In context where just 6 months ago Ed's ratings were in negative territory even with Labour supporters, the turnaround's been bloody spectacular tbh.
    Over those six months Labour's support has persistently dropped as the unenthused have looked elsewhere. He's a liability.
    Has it persistently dropped? The Labour lead in ELBOW for the week so far (*knocks wood*) is pretty similar to the typical lead they had back in November.

    Miliband is certainly not in a good place in general terms, but compared to where he was a while ago, where he was so toxically unpopular that Labour looked set to slide to below Michael Foot levels, it's pretty surprising.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Pulpstar said:

    it's a sign of David Cameron's growing confidence in a massive landslide that he deliberately misspoke, he is clearly confident they can topple Stephen Timms in East Ham.

    If only
    Cameron is gunning for a 'were you up for Abbot' moment
    Unfortunately for him, it's going to be a were you up for Chloe Smith night
    Hmm bad breakfast for Dave if Chloe is gone. I think she'll hang on though.
    The Chloe who was made the Financial Secretary because Dave thought she was a Chartered Accountant.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    surbiton said:

    West Ham supporters don't live locally anymore ,they have all moved out to Essex and Kent.

    Claret and blue going purple !
    Thurrock is packed full of hammers.
  • Mr. Lilburne, with the same wit and foresight as one promises to freeze a commodity price shortly before it declines sharply.

    On a more serious note, one of the barbs with which the Tower Hamlets types tried to prevent justice prevailing was to play the race card and cry Islamophobia at every turn. How would this law affect such a situation there, or in Bradford, or elsewhere?

    And would it have outlawed the Charlie Hebdo edition after the massacre?

    There is already a de facto blasphemy law in this country. People are being imprisoned for saying things on Twitter or, in Scotland, for singing traditional religious ballads. Had Charlie Hebdo been published widely in this jurisdiction before the massacre, the author, editor and publisher would probably have found themselves on the end of an indictment. Neither the Conservatives nor the Liberal Democrats made any attempt to restore freedom of speech during the last Parliament. Miliband is therefore not announcing a new principle, but merely taking the current position to its logical conclusion.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    surbiton said:

    RobD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Roger said:

    I'm surprised the strange case of the mistaken football club has received such prominence. Surely all questions of authenticity were answered years ago when he cycled with a chauffeur following.

    It's quite nice for a leader not to be full of crap but if we ever get one I'd see it as a bonus not a necessity.

    I haven't even seen West Ham/Villa in the news.

    I yield to no one in my belief that Cameron has been a dismal Conservative Leader and PM, but this is a non-story.
    Maybe not broadcast news, but it's in the press.
    Can't wait for HIGNFY
    You obviously missed my question on the previous thread. Football gate more or less important than bacon butty gate that you spent hours telling us wasn't important and to move along.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091

    Harriet and Mary Creagh has been sent to Glasgow to campign for Curran and Boy Sarwar.

    The others spotted on twitter

    Khan was in Battarsea this morning and in his constituency this afternoon
    Umunna: same as above
    Reeves: her constituency in the morning, Bradford East and West in the afternoon
    Balls: his constituency and Rother Valley
    Owen Smith: Vale of Glamorgan (many Welsh MPs and AMs were there today)
    Dugher: his constituency
    A Eagle: her constituency
    Ashworth: Stevenage
    Powell: Pendle
    Byrne: Dudley South, Wolverhampton SW and Halesowen
    Flint: her constituency
    McNicol (General Secretary): Scotland


    A lot of those are actually fairly ambitious. Hope they're not overreaching themselves and letting some softer targets slip through the net.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,714

    Pulpstar said:

    The BBC have an interesting report on Broxtowe from a few days ago,

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-england-32277813

    The Green candidate seems to be baffled that Nick Palmer is even standing as a Labour candidate.

    David Kirwan, Green candidate, said:

    "It's the latest in a string of Labour policies that Nick is opposed to. He is not standing as an independent MP he is standing as a Labour MP."

    HS2 doesn't divide along party lines, Engel is against it here.
    I understand that, I was wondering what the Green candidate meant by “..it’s the latest in a string of policies ...”

    I hope Nick isn't riding on Ed's imperial coat-tails just to get elected, only to become a serial rebel and scupper Ed's prized agenda at every turn. Show some loyalty, Nick! You'd be nothing without the great man and back on the dole.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    surbiton said:

    West Ham supporters don't live locally anymore ,they have all moved out to Essex and Kent.

    Claret and blue going purple !
    Thurrock is packed full of hammers.
    And sickles ....

    Communist Gain ??

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,587

    Mr. Lilburne, with the same wit and foresight as one promises to freeze a commodity price shortly before it declines sharply.

    On a more serious note, one of the barbs with which the Tower Hamlets types tried to prevent justice prevailing was to play the race card and cry Islamophobia at every turn. How would this law affect such a situation there, or in Bradford, or elsewhere?

    And would it have outlawed the Charlie Hebdo edition after the massacre?

    There is already a de facto blasphemy law in this country. People are being imprisoned for saying things on Twitter or, in Scotland, for singing traditional religious ballads. Had Charlie Hebdo been published widely in this jurisdiction before the massacre, the author, editor and publisher would probably have found themselves on the end of an indictment. Neither the Conservatives nor the Liberal Democrats made any attempt to restore freedom of speech during the last Parliament. Miliband is therefore not announcing a new principle, but merely taking the current position to its logical conclusion.
    Quite so. I guess Miliband does not share the concerns of the judge in the Rahman case about the problem of people not taking action due to fear of being accused of racism or islamophobia, unless making the accusation carry even more weight will not in any way exacerbate that problem.

    Interestingly, I see Islamophobia auto-corrects to homophobia with spellcheck
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    How sad if a highlight of your life is HIGNFY..
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    We have shed loads of polls but the common assumption is that UNS will not be a good forecasting method.
    Let me illustrate the point by looking at projected LD seat numbers.Using the latest Opinium poll (Con 34,Lab 33,Lib ,Ukip13) and the latest You Gov poll for Scotland ,the Lib Dems get 18 seats on UNS.This compares to Sporting Index mid point of 24 and numbers between 20 and 29 from other forecasts.
    The 18 seats won on UNS are Orkney,Ceredigion,Sheffield Hallam,Bath,Westmorland, Norfolk N,Yeovil,Leeds NW,Bristol W,Twickenham,Bermondsey,Lewes,Hazel Grove,Colchester,Thornbury,Southport ,Kingston and Portsmouth S.
    If you were going to take account of LD MP,s standing down and University seats using an additional 5% swing between LD's and closest challenger then from the above list the LD,s would also lose Leeds NW and Bristol West from student backlash and Hazel Grove and and Portsmouth from MP,s standing down or in the case of Portsmouth S standing as an independent.
    So far I have ignored the upside from the LD fortress strategy.Ashcroft is a methodology that has not yet been tested in the real word and shows mixed results in LD seats. We don't know what the LD,s own polling which mentions the candidate name is showing.Lets just take the extra seats that this might generate v UNS as six from the Sporting Index.So six extra but four wiped out.Still pretty close to UNS. Obviously the Lib Dems could add a bit to their poll ratings but he key figure to look at is the swing from LIb Dem to Con as they are the main opposition in the largest number of current LD seats.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,043

    How sad if a highlight of your life is HIGNFY..

    Even worse if it is This Week................... :(
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    It looks as though Con cross over has occurred with ICM, ComRes and Opinium.

    What's interesting is that two are phone pollsters and one is an internet pollster....

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Mr. Town, I know and I agree, and I've said similar things myself. But Islamophobia is wider (regarding Islam) than blasphemy, and specific to that one religion.

    Mr. kle4, indeed, Miliband is a damned fool.
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