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  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    BenM said:

    Hahahaha! Stony silence when Farage finishes his anti-immigration rant.

    It was not a rant. It was a reasoned argument that the majority support.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I think that bar the attack on the audience, Farage has been doing okay with his target audience. If I were him, I'd not use *immigration* as a phrase so often.

    His point about primary school places was perfectly reasonable and he termed it *population rise* and us not being in a position to cope with it. More of that tone wouldn't sound so prickly.
    MaxPB said:

    If you kippers think this is playing well think again. "Rattled Farage" is the Sky News lead & its the talk of the MSM.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate

    Doesn't matter. He is doing well with people who might vote UKIP. Old Labour types and right wing Tories will lap it up.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    I'm a right-winger who believes strongly in immigration (I grew up in a foreign country) and would be OK with increasing rather than cutting it.

    But even I'm shocked at how one-sided the audience is. Very left-wing economically and clearly pro-immigration. I'm pro-immigration but expect to be drowned out normally by opponents, why is this audience so pro it?

    I wonder whether this audience was selected as a balanced representation of the five parties involved, rather than a balanced representation of the country?

    It's a BBC audience. res Ipsa Loquitur. Mr Farage knew that so he has pandered to them forcing them 9and the BBC) to admit that they are biased by their reactions.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    Pulpstar said:

    I've not watched a second as I'm doing better things, but who won ?

    I think David Cameron has done best.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    edited April 2015
    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    It's absolutely stupid. Immigration is at the top of the concern list with pretty much all pollsters. Pro-immigration stances should not be getting applause from the audience if it was politically balanced.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117

    Pulpstar said:

    Who has won - Are we surging ?

    My pants are surging due to Leanne :)

    (only kidding!)
    naughty
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I don't think it's at all appropriate in a debate to have audience applause/laughter etc - it makes the at home audience affected by the views of the people not standing rather than what's being discussed.

    The debate should be had in stony silence with only those on stage talking. The audience shouldn't be an issue.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    Good evening, everyone.

    Not watching the debate. Viewing figures and how the broadcasters choose to present things will be interesting.

    Cameron's own fault for being feart. Should get all the pillorying he so richly deserves; the big wet jessie.

    Slipping into malc mode
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    Stupid argument about Brits caring about how other countries treat British ex-pats. I couldn't care less what happens to them.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    I heard a bit in the car and the audience sound like they tick every lefty box. I was stunned how hostile they were to any suggestion of sound money.

    I'm hoping they start talking about drug legalisation, so they can cheer for that too. Then I'll be happy.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The POTUS debates have a silent or virtually silent audience.

    I don't think it's at all appropriate in a debate to have audience applause/laughter etc - it makes the at home audience affected by the views of the people not standing rather than what's being discussed.

    The debate should be had in stony silence with only those on stage talking. The audience shouldn't be an issue.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    Yes! Farage just asked why aren't we training our own people to work in the NHS?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    H
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    :)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    I'm not watching this debate but from what I read on here Farage is bombing, Sturgeon is storming, Ed is crap and people want to sleep with Wood.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    The Kippers in the audience blew their cover in the first few minutes with unholy whoops on Farage's opening statement. They were probably ejected for that. Stupid Kippers blow it again.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Farage absolutely killed it on health tourism.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    I would like to see the statistics behind that.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Good evening, everyone.

    Not watching the debate. Viewing figures and how the broadcasters choose to present things will be interesting.

    Cameron's own fault for being feart. Should get all the pillorying he so richly deserves; the big wet jessie.

    Slipping into malc mode
    But he isn't. This is just a big bucket of meh. No winners, no losers, no interest, no nothing.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,949
    Greens must be breathing a sigh of relief. Their gal has done much better tonight.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Plato said:

    The POTUS debates have a silent or virtually silent audience.

    I don't think it's at all appropriate in a debate to have audience applause/laughter etc - it makes the at home audience affected by the views of the people not standing rather than what's being discussed.

    The debate should be had in stony silence with only those on stage talking. The audience shouldn't be an issue.

    From memory so too were the Australian debates when I grew up there. It's not hard to be professional about this.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Apple pie is great says Ed.

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,706
    If Farage comes out damaged, Dave will be very happy.

    Perhaps for CCHQ, this was never about Ed.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    rcs1000 Could also be a PP/PSOE Grand Coalition, Podemos in third in most polls, Citizens (seems to me the Spanish LDs) in 4th
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Watching the antics and the baying audience haven't we just watched question time the only difference being the panel are stood up.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Dair said:

    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    The Kippers in the audience blew their cover in the first few minutes with unholy whoops on Farage's opening statement. They were probably ejected for that. Stupid Kippers blow it again.
    They need to take lessons on planting from Scottish Labour sounds like :D
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    TGOHF said:

    Apple pie is great says Ed.

    Don't forget the kittens
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Leanne just said Wales 3 times within approx 10 words.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Ishmael_X said:

    Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe

    You are confused. That's Nicola.
    You are both commenting on the wrong website. You should be over at Guido.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited April 2015
    The Welsh woman won't say the reason fewer Indian doctors are coming in is because we're part of the EU. Being part of the EU forces us to have a discriminatory immigration system.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    I'm not watching this debate but from what I read on here Farage is bombing, Sturgeon is storming, Ed is crap and people want to sleep with Wood.

    Farage is doing just fine.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Dair said:

    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    The Kippers in the audience blew their cover in the first few minutes with unholy whoops on Farage's opening statement. They were probably ejected for that. Stupid Kippers blow it again.
    It's not just Kippers. The majority of Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrat voters support restricting immigration. To have absolute stony silence for the restrained immigration position is clearly an audience that does not come close to representing the general public. This is a big failure on behalf of the BBC in my opinion.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Heckler for PM.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:


    In every single constituency a plurality of voters got an MP they voted for.

    Plus local representatives represent all constituents for their casework not just party supporters. I know people who've had casework dealt with by an MP of a party the oppose but we're greatful still that their issue was dealt with. If you break the constituency link then who deals with that casework?

    Quite, and a plurality is non necessarily a majority. So my statement is fact.

    I'm not suggesting completely-breaking the constituency link. It's not as if there's no alternative to single-member seats, the mere imaginative creations of the Boundary Commissioners. In Northern Ireland, something like 90% of voters elect someone to the Assembly.
    Your statement is a fact but a red herring. Each and every constituency has the most popular (by plurality) local representatives. Your reforms would destroy that link so stop throwing away red herrings. Or are you claiming everyone would have a majority selected local individual who represents them under PR?
    On the contrary, yours is the red herring. What use is a mere plurality for anyone, when the majority elect no-one? What is the purpose of an election, other than to elect? If a significant minority (never mind an actual majority, as presently) elect no-one, the system fails its own most basic test.

    No wonder only 20% can name their MP. Why should they be able to? The majority elected no-one!

    Such disengagement can not be looked upon with equanimity, surely?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Pulpstar said:

    Dair said:

    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    The Kippers in the audience blew their cover in the first few minutes with unholy whoops on Farage's opening statement. They were probably ejected for that. Stupid Kippers blow it again.
    They need to take lessons on planting from Scottish Labour sounds like :D
    Well Scottish Labour have the advantage of actually running BBC Scotland. Makes it a lot easier for them to load the audience as they did in Aberdeen.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    According to the Guardian a lot of people are googling 'Why isn't Cameron at the debate?'
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
    The point that Farage should make is to agree w Sturgeon and say yes we need immigration that suits our needs, and if we are short od NHS staff no problem to get immigrants

    Just not open borders
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Good line from Farage 'Do you want a national or an international NHS' even if bound to be controversial
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Sounds like an Any Questions audience from the sounds of things - Faragew wouldn't want cheers tbh if it is.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
    But presumably you think it's appalling that we have to rely on asset stripping the developing world?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Lol Natalie Bennett just had a Veruca Salt moment.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Natalie Bennett Has a brief temper tantrum
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    Mili: Welsh and Scotttish nhs problems are caused by Cameron (nhs is devolved, no?).
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Natalie blowing her top. LOL.
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    Ed Miliband getting dry-humped on the NHS, lol.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Handbags between EdM and Farage!
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718

    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
    Which makes Farage's point; why aren't Brits entering health professions?
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    JackW said:

    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.

    No but the BBC set the tone so that the audience is OK to clap etc whenever they feel.

    American and Australian etc debates are held in silence. Even ITV's debate was (mostly) silent. This is poor from the BBC

    And I'm not a Kipper, I despise UKIP (and Labour and every other party on stage).
  • Natalie Bennett just broke my sound bar
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Nicola stayed imperiously silent during the rammy there.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Moses_ said:

    Watching the antics and the baying audience haven't we just watched question time the only difference being the panel are stood up.

    Possibly.
    Why do the 'contestants' have to stand up anyway. Maybe we should have Bruce Forsyth as the quizmaster and cards with deficit numbers. 'Higher higher...'
    Who is spinning the wheel of misfortune in this pathetic example of political discourse?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    MikeL said:

    Leanne just said Wales 3 times within approx 10 words.

    I love it when she says "Plaid Cymru" got to admit :o
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ishmael_X said:

    Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe

    You are confused. That's Nicola.
    You are both commenting on the wrong website. You should be over at Guido.
    I've never been "over at Guido", so I don't understand your point.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    I think Duffer Dimbleby is the biggest loser tonight
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Roger Helmer in da house!
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    The three women are already in coalition, aren't they? Why are three heads from one party on the stage?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Natalie Bennett just broke my sound bar

    Really? Over what? She always seems v.calm.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    tlg86 said:

    According to the Guardian a lot of people are googling 'Why isn't Cameron at the debate?'

    Noone bothering to ask why Cleggers is there? Who are the LD's by the way?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Moses_ said:

    Watching the antics and the baying audience haven't we just watched question time the only difference being the panel are stood up.

    It does feel like it.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    tlg86 said:

    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
    But presumably you think it's appalling that we have to rely on asset stripping the developing world?
    I do. I would much rather train British school leavers by expanding UK medical and nursing schools, but it is not an instant solution. This country has relied on immigrants to run the NHS for about 70 years.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:


    In every single constituency a plurality of voters got an MP they voted for.

    Plus local representatives represent all constituents for their casework not just party supporters. I know people who've had casework dealt with by an MP of a party the oppose but we're greatful still that their issue was dealt with. If you break the constituency link then who deals with that casework?

    Quite, and a plurality is non necessarily a majority. So my statement is fact.

    I'm not suggesting completely-breaking the constituency link. It's not as if there's no alternative to single-member seats, the mere imaginative creations of the Boundary Commissioners. In Northern Ireland, something like 90% of voters elect someone to the Assembly.
    Your statement is a fact but a red herring. Each and every constituency has the most popular (by plurality) local representatives. Your reforms would destroy that link so stop throwing away red herrings. Or are you claiming everyone would have a majority selected local individual who represents them under PR?
    On the contrary, yours is the red herring. What use is a mere plurality for anyone, when the majority elect no-one? What is the purpose of an election, other than to elect? If a significant minority (never mind an actual majority, as presently) elect no-one, the system fails its own most basic test.

    No wonder only 20% can name their MP. Why should they be able to? The majority elected no-one!

    Such disengagement can not be looked upon with equanimity, surely?
    Name a single democratic single-constituency system where a majority elect their first choice representative? Your claim is a red herring as it doesn't exist. No system ever has done that, so its redundant. When no system allows a majority, then the plurality is democratic.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    JackW said:

    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.

    For JackW, many of those on here criticising the audience balance are PB Tories not PB kippers.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I used to really like him, but he's lost the plot over the last decade and isn't in control tonight. Julia Thingy on ITV was infinitely better, even if she dressed like a dental hygienist.
    tyson said:

    I think Duffer Dimbleby is the biggest loser tonight

  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Dair said:

    Nicola stayed imperiously silent during the rammy there.

    Yes. Natalie Bennett came across as a little crazy.
  • PolruanPolruan Posts: 2,083

    Plato said:

    The POTUS debates have a silent or virtually silent audience.

    I don't think it's at all appropriate in a debate to have audience applause/laughter etc - it makes the at home audience affected by the views of the people not standing rather than what's being discussed.

    The debate should be had in stony silence with only those on stage talking. The audience shouldn't be an issue.

    From memory so too were the Australian debates when I grew up there. It's not hard to be professional about this.
    I think the ship pretty much sailed on professionalism when the Prime Minister of the day wriggled and squirmed to avoid the debates and left us with this slightly bizarre mishmash of amateur events. Ironically, on the orders of an Australian.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    edited April 2015
    Ed crap towards the end. Fortunately Cameron's non attendance worse. Nicola seriously good
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Ashcroft tweets: "The gamble by @Ed_Miliband of appearing in this debate without @David_Cameron is on balance paying off...."
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    This is not exactly the Clash of the Titans...more like a Brownie gathering..pathetic..none of them have a bloody clue..
  • People are sufficiently self aware to realise that they may have some views which make them look like a git in the eyes of others. So a lot of people who are anti-immigration won't applaud it. I think Farage has made an error in treating the audience like a UKIP rally which would lap that sort of thing up because there aren't contrary voices around and people sitting next to fans who may think ill of them.

    That said, the audience should have been told to shut the F up from the start. It doesn't add atmosphere, it's just annoying. The real winner of this debate is ITV - theirs was simply much better done. Dimbleby has seen better decades too, to be fair.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Farage receiving silence for making perfectly reasonable points. Nicola just has to burp and the audience is creaming themselves.
  • Natalie Bennett just broke my sound bar

    Really? Over what? She always seems v.calm.
    Over the NHS and privatisation/private sector profit
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    And the clear loser tonight is.........the Tories. Idiots for not turning up.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    Far fewer attacks on Cameron in the last 55 minutes.

    Big change since the first 15 minutes.
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    edited April 2015
    JEO said:

    Dair said:

    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    The Kippers in the audience blew their cover in the first few minutes with unholy whoops on Farage's opening statement. They were probably ejected for that. Stupid Kippers blow it again.
    It's not just Kippers. The majority of Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrat voters support restricting immigration. To have absolute stony silence for the restrained immigration position is clearly an audience that does not come close to representing the general public. This is a big failure on behalf of the BBC in my opinion.
    Exactly. The BBC farm it out to a Guardianista type of organisation and then do a Pontius Pilate and say "oh look it was not us " that picked a large public sector and welfare sucking bunch that hate capitalism...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    tyson said:

    tlg86 said:

    According to the Guardian a lot of people are googling 'Why isn't Cameron at the debate?'

    Noone bothering to ask why Cleggers is there? Who are the LD's by the way?
    I asked twice in this thread :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    RodCrosby said:

    The three women are already in coalition, aren't they? Why are three heads from one party on the stage?

    Is Ed Miliband playing the role of Macbeth ?
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Everyone hates the Tories
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Pulpstar said:

    MikeL said:

    Leanne just said Wales 3 times within approx 10 words.

    I love it when she says "Plaid Cymru" got to admit :o
    Wait 'til she starts singing 'Men of Harlech'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    MikeL Think you spoke a bit too soon there
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    These debates show what Britain actually thinks. Not what the rightwing press shrieks that it should think.

    eg immigration.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    Farage receiving silence for making perfectly reasonable points. Nicola just has to burp and the audience is creaming themselves.

    If the Tories get in I hope they scrap the television tax. Tonight has demonstrated beyond all reasonable doubt they are biased.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Ed Miliband should rule out a deal with the Greens and Plaid right here now. It'd help.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Natalie Bennett just broke my sound bar

    Really? Over what? She always seems v.calm.
    Over the NHS and privatisation/private sector profit
    Thanks. On train so can't watch it.
  • tysontyson Posts: 6,117
    Roger said:

    Ed crap towards the end. Fortunately Cameron's non attendance worse. Nicola seriously good

    Roger- Ed isn't crap tonight. He's hardly Martin Luther, but he's actually not too bad. The Tories are crap for failing to turn up.

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    isam said:

    MP_SE said:

    40% of NHS staff are foreign born? So now they are resorting to just plain lies.

    Racist lefties thinking that non whites are foreigners
    40% of British registered doctors trained overseas. I do not know the figure for nurses but probably not far different.

    I think Bennett is right on this.
    Which makes Farage's point; why aren't Brits entering health professions?
    Mostly too few training places. It is a rare example of me agreeing with the kippers.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Ed not impressed by the offers from the ladies....
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Farage receiving silence for making perfectly reasonable points. Nicola just has to burp and the audience is creaming themselves.

    Leanne Wood doesn't even have to do that. Oo-err..
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.

    For JackW, many of those on here criticising the audience balance are PB Tories not PB kippers.
    Duly noted .... so ....

    For PB Kippers and some PB Tories the BBC did not select the audience.

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    mhhh hardly a balanced audience.

    Its fair to say my wife, I and my older children do not always agree, especially on politics- but by god we all think Ed is just awful.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @JGForsyth: This last question—about hung parliaments and coalitions—might just end up justify the Tory decision to keep Cameron away from this debate
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited April 2015
    Nicola says she would NEVER work with the Tories, and EdM rules out one with her if I'm hearing him right.

    The Greenies will work with EdM. Ms PC already said she'd work with anyone.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    JackW said:

    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.

    No but the BBC set the tone so that the audience is OK to clap etc whenever they feel.

    American and Australian etc debates are held in silence. Even ITV's debate was (mostly) silent. This is poor from the BBC

    And I'm not a Kipper, I despise UKIP (and Labour and every other party on stage).
    Opportunity Knocks for the one who wins the clapometer vote. Like I say - a pathetic bowdlerisation of politics.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    JackW said:

    JackW said:

    For PB Kippers the BBC did not select the audience.

    For JackW, many of those on here criticising the audience balance are PB Tories not PB kippers.
    Duly noted .... so ....

    For PB Kippers and some PB Tories the BBC did not select the audience.

    OTOH they selected the selecters. It shows.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Polruan said:

    Plato said:

    The POTUS debates have a silent or virtually silent audience.

    I don't think it's at all appropriate in a debate to have audience applause/laughter etc - it makes the at home audience affected by the views of the people not standing rather than what's being discussed.

    The debate should be had in stony silence with only those on stage talking. The audience shouldn't be an issue.

    From memory so too were the Australian debates when I grew up there. It's not hard to be professional about this.
    I think the ship pretty much sailed on professionalism when the Prime Minister of the day wriggled and squirmed to avoid the debates and left us with this slightly bizarre mishmash of amateur events. Ironically, on the orders of an Australian.
    Whether an individual is here or not has nothing to do with the professionality of hosting a program. The BBC clearly haven't given the audience an instruction to stay silent and Dimbleby hasn't once said they should, this is totally unprofessional.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    Saltire said:

    Ed not impressed by the offers from the ladies....

    He'll be having a knee trembler with Nicola I suspect
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688
    BenM said:

    These debates show what Britain actually thinks. Not what the rightwing press shrieks that it should think.

    eg immigration.

    No. The polls show what Britain actually thinks about immigration. These debates show nothing. Of course you won't accept that because your view is - according to the polls - very much in the minority.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Nicola absolutely vacuous.
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