Leanne Wood comes over well in demeanour until you listen to what she's actually saying. Immigration solving the housing problem and opposing the War in Afghanistan? I didn't realise Plaid Cymru were so left wing.
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
In every single constituency a plurality of voters got an MP they voted for.
Plus local representatives represent all constituents for their casework not just party supporters. I know people who've had casework dealt with by an MP of a party the oppose but we're greatful still that their issue was dealt with. If you break the constituency link then who deals with that casework?
Quite, and a plurality is non necessarily a majority. So my statement is fact.
I'm not suggesting completely-breaking the constituency link. It's not as if there's no alternative to single-member seats, the mere imaginative creations of the Boundary Commissioners. In Northern Ireland, something like 90% of voters elect someone to the Assembly.
Your statement is a fact but a red herring. Each and every constituency has the most popular (by plurality) local representatives. Your reforms would destroy that link so stop throwing away red herrings. Or are you claiming everyone would have a majority selected local individual who represents them under PR?
Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?
Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.
But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Farage clearly trying to outflank Cameron on the right in regards to the deficit and defence, Bennett, Sturgeon and Wood trying to do the same to Miliband on the left but of course Miliband is there to defend himself, Cameron is not. The participants also allow Miliband to present himself as the most centrist of the 5
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Farage said precisely that.. the real audience are at home
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Miliband sounds sensible on defence. ... at first. Then gets ambiguous. Farage picks him up on the idea of EU defence. M: "I'm not gonna have a European army."
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Miliband sounds sensible on defence. ... at first. Goes into ambiguity. Farage picks him up on the idea of EU defence. M: "I'm not gonna gave a European army."
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Hes not right wing Sean. He's on another planet.
The planet inhabited by the white working class, you should visit some time.
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
'Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.'
Agree, who cares about a hand picked audience of lefties, it's the people at home that matter. .
Nick Clegg @nick_clegg · 8m 8 minutes ago For clarity, I was not invited to #BBCDebate. I would have happily taken part and proudly defended our strong @LibDems record in government.
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.
Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
"For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."
"For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."
Cameron was right..this is like watching a sty full of piglets all running round the sty screeching and shitting themselves..humiliating for all of them..
big mistake by Crosby / Cameron as usual they thought they were oh so clever instead it has just created the opportunity for endless free hits. As for Nick Clegg.........
Sturgeon comes across by far the best, she's bossing the stage and her positioning next to Farage is the perfect place to win this from.
Stupid UKIP plants decided to whoop during Farage's opener and I presume got kicked out as they haven't been heard since. Shoddy amateurism from the loony fringe Kippers.
I think EdM would benefit from being more concise - I find my attention wandering as he launches into Look, tell me tell you about people I meet up and down the country blah blah.
It's a long form interview answer in a speed date.
Cameron was right..this is like watching a sty full of piglets all running round the sty screeching and shitting themselves..humiliating for all of them..
big mistake by Crosby / Cameron as usual they thought they were oh so clever instead it has just created the opportunity for endless free hits. As for Nick Clegg.........
"For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."
I think EdM would benefit from being more concise - I find my attention wandering as he launches into Look, tell me tell you about people I meet up and down the country blah blah.
It's a long form interview answer in a speed date.
Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?
Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.
But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
I'm of the opinion that the money would be better off not spent, so don't borrow for a tax cut and don't borrow to spend. Just get the budget in balance ASAP. In all honesty it should have been done by now, we should have cut harder with welfare an in-work benefits and brought the budget back into balance by removing corporate subsidies for low wages.
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.
Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.
Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
You, Flightpath, and James Bond would condemn Farage if he said there were 24 hours in a day.
Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
Yes, but attacking the audience is not a good look.....
I'd say the Ladies doing best (Sturgeon>Bennet>Wood), Ed doing reasonably, Farage getting rattled
I'm a right-winger who believes strongly in immigration (I grew up in a foreign country) and would be OK with increasing rather than cutting it.
But even I'm shocked at how one-sided the audience is. Very left-wing economically and clearly pro-immigration. I'm pro-immigration but expect to be drowned out normally by opponents, why is this audience so pro it?
I wonder whether this audience was selected as a balanced representation of the five parties involved, rather than a balanced representation of the country?
Nick Clegg @nick_clegg · 8m 8 minutes ago For clarity, I was not invited to #BBCDebate. I would have happily taken part and proudly defended our strong @LibDems record in government.
Huh...didn't Lib Dem's brief that big bad Dave told him not to go? Also, why didn't he make more of a song and dance about not being invited at the time?
Ed is unable to answer questions. I hate his obfuscation. He should pay Nicola for private tuition. She's really impressive. A bit like Blair c1994. Can't Labour fix up a transfer for her.
Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.
Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]
The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.
Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
You, Flightpath, and James Bond would condemn Farage if he said there were 24 hours in a day.
You remind me of JW's. Theres this kind of reactionary zeal that blinds you to balance. But thats democracy.
Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?
Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.
But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
I'm of the opinion that the money would be better off not spent, so don't borrow for a tax cut and don't borrow to spend. Just get the budget in balance ASAP. In all honesty it should have been done by now, we should have cut harder with welfare an in-work benefits and brought the budget back into balance by removing corporate subsidies for low wages.
Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.
Or those that are in agreement with Farage are too scared of applauding. We've all been there.
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The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.
Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
£300 wanting to back him, no money for any of the rest
Apparently it was "racist", or that's what Labour said at the time.
But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
"Farage really embarrassing himself. How does play even to his core vote?"
I hope for his supporter's sake he's just tired and emotional.
Nice to have the Nats involved in the election. They brighten it up a lot
How this works for Clegg is beyond me. He's been totally forgotten, bad news given their poll ratings
... at first. Then gets ambiguous.
Farage picks him up on the idea of EU defence.
M: "I'm not gonna have a European army."
Only time will tell if he chose correctly.
'No'.
Faarrkk.
'Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.'
Agree, who cares about a hand picked audience of lefties, it's the people at home that matter. .
For clarity, I was not invited to #BBCDebate. I would have happily taken part and proudly defended our strong @LibDems record in government.
Gutsy.
- 24% will definitely watch tonight's debate
- 33% will probably watch tonight's debate
In fact, well under 20% watched the ITV debate - which had all 7 leaders.
The obvious worry is that internet pollsters are massively over sampling the small number of people who are actively following the GE.
'The Welsh woman is awful.'
Comes across as dopey
Stupid UKIP plants decided to whoop during Farage's opener and I presume got kicked out as they haven't been heard since. Shoddy amateurism from the loony fringe Kippers.
It's a long form interview answer in a speed date.
http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate
Big scandal in Spain. Former IMF head and senior PP politician Rato has just been arrested on tax evasion charges.
The Centre Right Citizen's Party will be the big benificiaries of this. Bet on them.
I'd say the Ladies doing best (Sturgeon>Bennet>Wood), Ed doing reasonably, Farage getting rattled
But even I'm shocked at how one-sided the audience is. Very left-wing economically and clearly pro-immigration. I'm pro-immigration but expect to be drowned out normally by opponents, why is this audience so pro it?
I wonder whether this audience was selected as a balanced representation of the five parties involved, rather than a balanced representation of the country?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ghats
(only kidding!)
Alternatively, PSOE + Citizens (if PSOE is first).
If Podemos comes first then who knows...
Clearly NOT a balanced audience.
Not watching the debate. Viewing figures and how the broadcasters choose to present things will be interesting.
For Leanne the economy is the public sector!