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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,302
    It's interesting how everyone is defining themselves against Nigel Farage rather than against Cameron/Clegg. Big contrast to the first debate.
  • chestnut said:

    Who is proposing 'local houses for local people?'

    miliband


  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Leanne Wood comes over well in demeanour until you listen to what she's actually saying. Immigration solving the housing problem and opposing the War in Afghanistan? I didn't realise Plaid Cymru were so left wing.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Welsh lady terrible. Rest of them, bar Farage are dangerous loons.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    edited April 2015

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    edited April 2015
    RodCrosby said:


    In every single constituency a plurality of voters got an MP they voted for.

    Plus local representatives represent all constituents for their casework not just party supporters. I know people who've had casework dealt with by an MP of a party the oppose but we're greatful still that their issue was dealt with. If you break the constituency link then who deals with that casework?

    Quite, and a plurality is non necessarily a majority. So my statement is fact.

    I'm not suggesting completely-breaking the constituency link. It's not as if there's no alternative to single-member seats, the mere imaginative creations of the Boundary Commissioners. In Northern Ireland, something like 90% of voters elect someone to the Assembly.
    Your statement is a fact but a red herring. Each and every constituency has the most popular (by plurality) local representatives. Your reforms would destroy that link so stop throwing away red herrings. Or are you claiming everyone would have a majority selected local individual who represents them under PR?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Farage in from 2.9 to 2.36 on BF

    £300 wanting to back him, no money for any of the rest
  • Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808
    chestnut said:

    Ed not looking Prime Ministerial, even in this company.....

    Meanwhile Dave's not looking at all
    Man United don't play in the conference play off.
    Keep deluding yourself
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited April 2015

    chestnut said:

    Who is proposing 'local houses for local people?'

    miliband
    Bit like the Sons and Daughters scheme the Libs had in Tower Hamlets many years ago.

    Apparently it was "racist", or that's what Labour said at the time.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    MaxPB said:

    Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?

    Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.

    But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Welsh lady terrible. Rest of them, bar Farage are dangerous loons.

    I'm worried for this country ;-)

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546
    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983


    "Farage really embarrassing himself. How does play even to his core vote?"

    I hope for his supporter's sake he's just tired and emotional.

    Nice to have the Nats involved in the election. They brighten it up a lot
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Splitting the leftish vote was surely CCHQs game plan.

    How this works for Clegg is beyond me. He's been totally forgotten, bad news given their poll ratings

    It's interesting how everyone is defining themselves against Nigel Farage rather than against Cameron/Clegg. Big contrast to the first debate.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    Farage clearly trying to outflank Cameron on the right in regards to the deficit and defence, Bennett, Sturgeon and Wood trying to do the same to Miliband on the left but of course Miliband is there to defend himself, Cameron is not. The participants also allow Miliband to present himself as the most centrist of the 5
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    by the way I've often thought this debate will mainly be watched by kippers. The real test will be polls in a few days.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
    Valleys.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    I'm not watching the debate. Am I missing much?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    What happened to Clegg???
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Crikey. I'd vote for Bessie McYessie.

    Where would she get all the money she wants to spend?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    Farage said precisely that.. the real audience are at home
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Plato said:

    How this works for Clegg is beyond me. He's been totally forgotten, bad news given their poll ratings

    Consumed by the Tories.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed going for the statesman schtick.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223

    by the way I've often thought this debate will mainly be watched by kippers. The real test will be polls in a few days.

    Beep Beep Beep
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    Hes not right wing Sean. He's on another planet.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    edited April 2015
    Miliband sounds sensible on defence.
    ... at first. Then gets ambiguous.
    Farage picks him up on the idea of EU defence.
    M: "I'm not gonna have a European army."
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    He is doing it well.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe

    She looks OK :):relaxed:
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm not watching the debate. Am I missing much?

    It's better than the last one simply because there are only five of them.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    cAn you guess which leaders parents bought their council house in 1984
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    Plato said:

    Splitting the leftish vote was surely CCHQs game plan.

    How this works for Clegg is beyond me. He's been totally forgotten, bad news given their poll ratings

    It's interesting how everyone is defining themselves against Nigel Farage rather than against Cameron/Clegg. Big contrast to the first debate.

    Clegg got the choice between this debate and the 30 minute interview a week before the election.

    Only time will tell if he chose correctly.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,302
    Miliband - "You raised the issue of ISIS, or rather I raised it..."
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    geoffw said:

    Miliband sounds sensible on defence.
    ... at first. Goes into ambiguity.
    Farage picks him up on the idea of EU defence.
    M: "I'm not gonna gave a European army."

    'Would you push the nuclear button?'

    'No'.

    Faarrkk.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
    No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Who has won - Are we surging ?
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    Hes not right wing Sean. He's on another planet.
    The planet inhabited by the white working class, you should visit some time.
  • SaltireSaltire Posts: 525
    Plato said:



    How this works for Clegg is beyond me. He's been totally forgotten, bad news given their poll ratings

    It's interesting how everyone is defining themselves against Nigel Farage rather than against Cameron/Clegg. Big contrast to the first debate.

    Totally agree, they can only lose votes after tonight
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    Spot on.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
    Valleys.
    Plenty of valleys in India :lol:
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    The Conservatives are getting hit from right and left on defence. Both Farage and Sturgeon have made good points against them.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2015
    @Sean_F

    'Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.'

    Agree, who cares about a hand picked audience of lefties, it's the people at home that matter. .
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 758
    Nick Clegg @nick_clegg · 8m 8 minutes ago
    For clarity, I was not invited to #BBCDebate. I would have happily taken part and proudly defended our strong @LibDems record in government.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
    No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.

    Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Ed is doing well here. The Tory strategy over the debates has failed.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    "For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."

    Gutsy.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,723
    edited April 2015
    Panelbase:

    - 24% will definitely watch tonight's debate
    - 33% will probably watch tonight's debate

    In fact, well under 20% watched the ITV debate - which had all 7 leaders.

    The obvious worry is that internet pollsters are massively over sampling the small number of people who are actively following the GE.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    But surely Clegg would count as a "Challenger"?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    The Welsh woman is awful.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    BenM said:

    Ed going for the statesman schtick.

    Problem is that it comes across as schtick.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    "For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."

    Gutsy.

    Indeed. Will appeal to a lot of Tories.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Wow. Seems like 90% of the audience is made up of loony lefties.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Cameron was right..this is like watching a sty full of piglets all running round the sty screeching and shitting themselves..humiliating for all of them..
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
    Valleys.
    Plenty of valleys in India :lol:
    Even in S India?
  • JGCJGC Posts: 64
    big mistake by Crosby / Cameron as usual they thought they were oh so clever instead it has just created the opportunity for endless free hits. As for Nick Clegg.........
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @KentRising

    'The Welsh woman is awful.'

    Comes across as dopey
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Sturgeon comes across by far the best, she's bossing the stage and her positioning next to Farage is the perfect place to win this from.

    Stupid UKIP plants decided to whoop during Farage's opener and I presume got kicked out as they haven't been heard since. Shoddy amateurism from the loony fringe Kippers.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I think EdM would benefit from being more concise - I find my attention wandering as he launches into Look, tell me tell you about people I meet up and down the country blah blah.

    It's a long form interview answer in a speed date.

    BenM said:

    Ed going for the statesman schtick.

    Problem is that it comes across as schtick.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    edited April 2015
    MikeL said:

    Panelbase:

    - 24% will definitely watch tonight's debate
    - 33% will probably watch

    In fact, well under 20% watched the ITV debate - which had all 7 leaders.

    The obvious worry is that internet pollsters are massively over sampling the small number of people who are actively following the GE.

    YouGov did that last time with the Lab +4 poll.
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    If you kippers think this is playing well think again. "Rattled Farage" is the Sky News lead & its the talk of the MSM.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    Farage at least presents an argued case on defence. Hearts on sleeve without engaging brain for the others.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718
    Oh wow; question on immigration from what one can only assume is someone rom immigrant stock.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,808

    Cameron was right..this is like watching a sty full of piglets all running round the sty screeching and shitting themselves..humiliating for all of them..

    As before, keep deluding yourself doddy...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    You can't land punches on someone who isn't there. Those statements are just that. This is between 4 lefties and a rightie.
    JGC said:

    big mistake by Crosby / Cameron as usual they thought they were oh so clever instead it has just created the opportunity for endless free hits. As for Nick Clegg.........

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    rcs1000 said:

    "For to long, we have been defined by our passivity. Even the name of the department suggests we refuse to live up to our obligations. If I am elected the first thing I will do is to change the name back to its historic designation: the Ministry of War."

    Gutsy.

    Did he really just say that?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited April 2015

    If you kippers think this is playing well think again. "Rattled Farage" is the Sky News lead & its the talk of the MSM.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate

    You don't realise do you? The more the 'Progressive' Left and the MSM try and stick the boot in, the more it solidifies his core vote.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    Plato said:

    I think EdM would benefit from being more concise - I find my attention wandering as he launches into Look, tell me tell you about people I meet up and down the country blah blah.

    It's a long form interview answer in a speed date.

    BenM said:

    Ed going for the statesman schtick.

    Problem is that it comes across as schtick.
    Dead Ringers did a good sketch similar to that on R4 this last weekend...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?

    Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.

    But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
    I'm of the opinion that the money would be better off not spent, so don't borrow for a tax cut and don't borrow to spend. Just get the budget in balance ASAP. In all honesty it should have been done by now, we should have cut harder with welfare an in-work benefits and brought the budget back into balance by removing corporate subsidies for low wages.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe

    You are confused. That's Nicola.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
    No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.

    Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
    Think isam will be offering you odds very soon
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
    No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.

    Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
    You, Flightpath, and James Bond would condemn Farage if he said there were 24 hours in a day.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    *** BETTING POST ***

    Big scandal in Spain. Former IMF head and senior PP politician Rato has just been arrested on tax evasion charges.

    The Centre Right Citizen's Party will be the big benificiaries of this. Bet on them.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sean_F said:

    Surely, it's Farage's job to put forward the only right wing viewpoint, in this debate. Even if the people in the audience don't like it, many of the viewers will do.

    Yes, but attacking the audience is not a good look.....

    I'd say the Ladies doing best (Sturgeon>Bennet>Wood), Ed doing reasonably, Farage getting rattled
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I'm a right-winger who believes strongly in immigration (I grew up in a foreign country) and would be OK with increasing rather than cutting it.

    But even I'm shocked at how one-sided the audience is. Very left-wing economically and clearly pro-immigration. I'm pro-immigration but expect to be drowned out normally by opponents, why is this audience so pro it?

    I wonder whether this audience was selected as a balanced representation of the five parties involved, rather than a balanced representation of the country?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
    Valleys.
    Plenty of valleys in India :lol:
    Even in S India?
    Not heard of the Western Ghats?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ghats
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533
    Monkeys said:

    Nick Clegg @nick_clegg · 8m 8 minutes ago
    For clarity, I was not invited to #BBCDebate. I would have happily taken part and proudly defended our strong @LibDems record in government.

    Huh...didn't Lib Dem's brief that big bad Dave told him not to go? Also, why didn't he make more of a song and dance about not being invited at the time?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,987
    rcs1000 Could be even more difficult to form a government in Spain than here
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    Oh wow; question on immigration from what one can only assume is someone rom immigrant stock.

    It's so as not to appear racist!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    If you kippers think this is playing well think again. "Rattled Farage" is the Sky News lead & its the talk of the MSM.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate

    Doesn't matter. He is doing well with people who might vote UKIP. Old Labour types and right wing Tories will lap it up.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    I've not watched a second as I'm doing better things, but who won ?
  • BenMBenM Posts: 1,795
    Hahahaha! Stony silence when Farage finishes his anti-immigration rant.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Pulpstar said:

    Who has won - Are we surging ?

    My pants are surging due to Leanne :)

    (only kidding!)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Ed is unable to answer questions. I hate his obfuscation. He should pay Nicola for private tuition. She's really impressive. A bit like Blair c1994. Can't Labour fix up a transfer for her.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,718

    Here's hoping Leanne Wood goes for the Welsh language.

    It's an Indian accent, surely :)
    Valleys.
    Plenty of valleys in India :lol:
    Even in S India?
    Not heard of the Western Ghats?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Ghats
    Touche!
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 Could be even more difficult to form a government in Spain than here

    PP + Citizen's likely government. I reckon they'll be at 45-50% between them.
    Alternatively, PSOE + Citizens (if PSOE is first).

    If Podemos comes first then who knows...
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064
    rcs1000 said:

    *** BETTING POST ***

    Big scandal in Spain. Former IMF head and senior PP politician Rato has just been arrested on tax evasion charges.

    The Centre Right Citizen's Party will be the big benificiaries of this. Bet on them.

    Cheers. Does Betfair have a market?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Farage excellent on immigration as you'd expect and gets only silence as a response.

    Clearly NOT a balanced audience.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Pulpstar said:

    I've not watched a second as I'm doing better things, but who won ?

    30 minutes to go!
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    You can tell Farage knows he's boobed. All his bonhomie has gone. He looks sick in spirit and body.

    His fall live on bbc1 couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

    Farage sweating and with circles under his eyes. The others look relaxed, Farage looks pretty poorly.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pulpstar said:

    I've not watched a second as I'm doing better things, but who won ?

    30 minutes to go!
    Is Wes on yet :) ?
  • PurseybearPurseybear Posts: 766
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    JEO said:

    Farage just lost the audience.

    I just tuned in. What did he say?
    Justifiably slagged the lefty audience. He's talking to his core and the people at home, and dooesn't care about getting a warm fuzzy reception in the hall.
    JEO the kippers are in force on here tonight shoring up their man. [he needs it badly]

    The audience was selected as representative by a polling company and Farage got support early on, then he began saying stupid things like 'we have to build a house every 7 minutes just for immigrants ' and you can see and hear pple start to get upset. So he attacked them pretty viciously and looked a total plonker.

    Whatever you think of an audience you win them over. He's shown his true colours.
    No, you're aiming to appeal to the people who are viewing.

    Its not either / or & the people watching are influenced by audiences. The massive cheer when dimblebore corrected Farage effectively finished ukip for this election and probably for good.
    You, Flightpath, and James Bond would condemn Farage if he said there were 24 hours in a day.
    You remind me of JW's. Theres this kind of reactionary zeal that blinds you to balance. But thats democracy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,964
    Good evening, everyone.

    Not watching the debate. Viewing figures and how the broadcasters choose to present things will be interesting.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,655
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MaxPB said:

    Wouldn't the issue then be that we would increase economic capacity when there is already excess capacity, leading to stagflation. Japan basically did exactly that with huge spending just after the Asian bubble and it just stored up problems for the future which are now proving almost impossible to shake off. Why increase economic capacity when productivity is already through the floor and we have so much excess capacity anyway?

    Well, additional government spending doesn't have to be spent on increasing productive capacity. It could spent on digging holes and filling them in.

    But your point is a good one. The government is unlikely to make wiser spending decisions over the longer term than the people.
    I'm of the opinion that the money would be better off not spent, so don't borrow for a tax cut and don't borrow to spend. Just get the budget in balance ASAP. In all honesty it should have been done by now, we should have cut harder with welfare an in-work benefits and brought the budget back into balance by removing corporate subsidies for low wages.
    I agree!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,774
    No claps for Farage after a reasoned presentation of the Ukip case.

    For Leanne the economy is the public sector!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    If you kippers think this is playing well think again. "Rattled Farage" is the Sky News lead & its the talk of the MSM.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1466432/farage-challenges-audience-at-leaders-debate

    ...and Farage still favourite on Betfair
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Wood making the points a pre-Blair Labour leader might have made on unions....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    Ishmael_X said:

    Wow. And I thought Leanne looked hot in the first one. She is an uber-babe

    You are confused. That's Nicola.
    A threesome with Nicola and Leanne.....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,223
    JEO said:

    Wow. No claps at all for Farage on restricting immigration, but loud applause for Wood arguing against him. This is clearly a completely unbalanced audience.

    Or those that are in agreement with Farage are too scared of applauding. We've all been there.
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