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  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    If @JackW is predicting Danny's demise well it is all over for him now.

    I might think so but my ARSE couldn't possibly comment.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    The post debate show w Emily Maitlis says "ft interviews w Senior figures from the LDs & Conservatives" on the Sky planner blurb

    I thought it was an interview show with Clegg and Cameron, a feather in their caps securing this airtime rather than partaking in the debate etc?

    Could both be right, they could be thesenior figures I guess. Lets see

    Carswell on QT w Grant Shapps, Yvette Cooper, Angus Robertson & Jo Swinson.. I guess he will be slaughtering Farage's performance in the debate
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    5-6 Great Yarmouth is wrong though too lol
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    BTW:

    It's Ipsos MORI, not Ipsos-MORI or Ipsos-Mori or even Ipsos Mori.

    :)


    Duly noted, Sunil PRASANNAN.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Smarmeron said:

    @Tabman
    In the case of Jack's ARSE, "trumpet" is more apt?

    Certainly not the trumpet .... but a horn might be closer to my ARSE. :smile:

  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    On Mori - is it strange that Labour go up 1 (and Greens go up 2 !!) but UKIP go down 3!

    This is what I was thinking! Even if we say 1% went from UKIP to LD and 1% from LD to green, 1% to Lab, that still leaves a net -2 UKIP and +1 green which still managed to leave Lab and Con net neutral. Definitely implies a significant net Con -> Lab flow (possibly via NV, rather than directly switching)

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JackW

    "*reaches for Islay's finest quality mind bleach**
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    BTW:

    It's Ipsos MORI, not Ipsos-MORI or Ipsos-Mori or even Ipsos Mori.

    :)

    Do 'Ipsos MORI' spell their name in BOLD then? :-)
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Is it not the case that every leader saw their ratings go up after the 7 way debate?
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    On Mori - is it strange that Labour go up 1 (and Greens go up 2 !!) but UKIP go down 3!

    This is what I was thinking! Even if we say 1% went from UKIP to LD and 1% from LD to green, 1% to Lab, that still leaves a net -2 UKIP and +1 green which still managed to leave Lab and Con net neutral. Definitely implies a significant net Con -> Lab flow (possibly via NV, rather than directly switching)

    It's all MoE stuff, I wouldn't read too much into it.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Yesterday I looked at the papers and the vast majority had front pages which were so anti Ed and Labour it was impossible for anyone other than the converted to read without laughing at the crass obviousness of them.

    It's not easy to tell whether this has an effect on the undecided. The Tories certainly believe people are judged by their friends otherwise they wouldn't have expended so much energy linking Ed to Nicola Alex and any bogeyman union leader they could find.

    It would certainly be ironic if it was Murdoch the Barclay Brothers and Dacre what won it for Ed!
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    JackW said:

    Tabman said:

    JackW said:

    Tabman said:

    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Jonathan said:

    Wondering what happens in the circumstance that Clegg loses in Sheffield, but the LDs have numbers that are critical to the formation of a govt.

    Farron smiles :)
    Presumably MPs would do a coronation, which the members would be likely to ratify when they got the chance to vote on it. Maybe the members would pick Farron if it was up to them, but would the MPs?
    Depends how many orange bookers survive
    Clegg - Maybe
    Alexander - No
    Laws - Yes
    Lamb - Yes
    Davey - Maybe

    Technically speaking, Cable and Webb are OBers, but most wouldn't categorise them as such.

    Clegg - Yes
    Alexander - No
    Laws - Yes
    Lamb - Yes
    Davey - Yes
    Cable - Yes
    Webb - Yes

    Jack - I'm not that plugged in to what's happening on the ground, being a bit of an armchair general these days, but I'll take it that your ARSE is speaking the truth loudly ;)

    I'm profoundly disappointed to hear you're not pounding the streets of the Highlands in support of your yellow perilist of choice.

    For shame Tabbers, for shame.

    Were that Caithness were a bit closer to the land of the Dark Blue Scum :(

    What I need is a well-appointed Highlands Pied a Terre to visit, with a well-stocked cellar (Left or Right Bank, I'm not fussy) ;)

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2015
    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Dadge said:

    @Bond: Miliband is indeed an atrocious leader. But you have to ask what is it that the Tories are doing to lose to this man? Cameron's turned out to be a decent PM, the economy could be in worse shape, and he's had the LibDems in coalition to prevent it being a "nasty government" (and he's virtually killed them off in the process). And yet..!

    I know plenty of people who are convinced, for the reasons stated above, that the Tories will get in with a majority, and that the polls must be wrong. As I say, I am skeptical - I think the poll weightings will turn out to be a little off - but only inasmuch as I think the Tories will scrape the gold medal for largest party. They really are failing to get back into power when the Labour Party are virtually holding open the door to Number 10 for them. Some reasons...

    1. They lost the battle for hearts and minds. They were too quick after May 2010 to put into practice many of the ideological changes wanted by Conservative thinktanks, against a background of austerity. This made them look like they were in power for the sake of their friends. Robbing the poor to give to the rich, if you will.

    2. The NHS. This was always going to be a killer issue for the Tories. They needed a few Nick Winterton types in charge to start to negate this issue.

    3. Immigration. Not really their fault but they've continually blustered and floundered.

    4. The ground war. They were already behind, but they've lost lots of activists to Ukip and the task is just too big for the remaining troops.

    5. The air war. The national campaign has been fairly disappointing. It started quite assertively but by this stage you can hardly tell they're the party of government, what with all the jousting over promises. Cameron is clearly no Thatcher.

    If they hadn't put in place their key reforms on welfare, education and health in 2010-2012 they probably would never have happened.

    Where I do agree with you is that the Tories moved very urgently to action, without explaining what they're about or why that action was necessary.

    People heard cut the deficit and the Big Society. They reluctantly understood the need for action on the former, and were totally confused by the latter. They preferred Cameron as PM to Brown.

    Immigration has been a serious failing. The party management by Cameron has been dire. But most of all I think the modernisation project failed to address the problem the Tories had was being seen for the rich and wealthy, not male and pale.

    A grassroots reform of the party to attract and recruit members as part of a centre-right mission to transform Britain in the interests of all would have been the trick. Cameron to be very clear day in and day out what he was about, and to hammer it home.
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046

    On the other hand ...
    Comres poll on SW where voters really have to think (and are well outside 'the Westminster bubble') shows - CON 44%, LAB 13%, LD 26%, UKIP 10%. (13 point Tory swing)

    Older posters will remember the SW polls produced by Graham, who is sadly no longer with us (MHRIP).

  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    Dadge said:

    @Bond: Miliband is indeed an atrocious leader. But you have to ask what is it that the Tories are doing to lose to this man? Cameron's turned out to be a decent PM, the economy could be in worse shape, and he's had the LibDems in coalition to prevent it being a "nasty government" (and he's virtually killed them off in the process). And yet..!

    I know plenty of people who are convinced, for the reasons stated above, that the Tories will get in with a majority, and that the polls must be wrong. As I say, I am skeptical - I think the poll weightings will turn out to be a little off - but only inasmuch as I think the Tories will scrape the gold medal for largest party. They really are failing to get back into power when the Labour Party are virtually holding open the door to Number 10 for them. Some reasons...

    1. They lost the battle for hearts and minds. They were too quick after May 2010 to put into practice many of the ideological changes wanted by Conservative thinktanks, against a background of austerity. This made them look like they were in power for the sake of their friends. Robbing the poor to give to the rich, if you will.

    2. The NHS. This was always going to be a killer issue for the Tories. They needed a few Nick Winterton types in charge to start to negate this issue.

    3. Immigration. Not really their fault but they've continually blustered and floundered.

    4. The ground war. They were already behind, but they've lost lots of activists to Ukip and the task is just too big for the remaining troops.

    5. The air war. The national campaign has been fairly disappointing. It started quite assertively but by this stage you can hardly tell they're the party of government, what with all the jousting over promises. Cameron is clearly no Thatcher.

    If they hadn't put in place their key reforms on welfare, education and health in 2010-2012 they probably would never have happened.
    Mr Lansley said he did not need legislative change to pursue the policies he wanted to, so the purpose of their NHS legislation remains unknown.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    BTW:

    It's Ipsos MORI, not Ipsos-MORI or Ipsos-Mori or even Ipsos Mori.

    :)

    Do 'Ipsos MORI' spell their name in BOLD then? :-)
    Silence! What is all this insolence?
  • StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    isam said:

    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
    Link? The video I saw had the camera on the stage while the booing started, then the booing turned partially into applause and the camera turned to show that some black and Asian audience members were standing up and being clapped. It wasn't ever particularly clear who was doing the booing. It's possible there's a clearer video I haven't seen though.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    edited April 2015
    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
    Apologies, I should have said - sell labour on Spreadex @ 20
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Both I reckon.

    I'm balls deep in Tory Constituency bets tbh.

    Overall book is more Ed tilted.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015
    isam said:

    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
    I'm surprised those UKIP candidates could find a free moment to attend the manifesto launch. Perhaps their time would have been better spent working in their prospective constituencies?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760

    isam said:

    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
    I'm surprised those UKIP candidates could find a free moment to attend the manifesto launch. Perhaps their time would have been better spent working in their prospective constituencies?
    the right wing press has been against UKIP for a few weeks now. Problem is the UKIP vote hasn't really declined in this period so they appear to have changed tact from the 'UKIP are a gaffe prone liability' to a more pleading 'Oh come on, we agree with you guys but the Tories are in trouble and we're desperate for your vote'. (see today's Mail Online).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,869
    Brom said:

    isam said:

    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
    I'm surprised those UKIP candidates could find a free moment to attend the manifesto launch. Perhaps their time would have been better spent working in their prospective constituencies?
    the right wing press has been against UKIP for a few weeks now. Problem is the UKIP vote hasn't really declined in this period so they appear to have changed tact from the 'UKIP are a gaffe prone liability' to a more pleading 'Oh come on, we agree with you guys but the Tories are in trouble and we're desperate for your vote'. (see today's Mail Online).
    A few weeks? Years surely?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149

    BTW:

    It's Ipsos MORI, not Ipsos-MORI or Ipsos-Mori or even Ipsos Mori.

    :)


    Duly noted, Sunil PRASANNAN.
    It's on their website, man! Check the top left of this page.



  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    Don't want to sound all conspiracy theory but Labour has promised to implement Leveson in full.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited April 2015
    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    :open_mouth:

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Yes, the markets are more inconsistent with each than I can remember since I first started betting on politics.

    The Lab Maj odds on Betfair are just completely bonkers. OK, Lab Maj is unlikely, but it's not once-in-two-centuries unlikely, which is what the odds suggest. And if it were, then the constituency-level odds should reflect it, which they don't.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Possibly.. its the vote Nigel, get Ed line

    Noticeable that those reporting the booing of Christopher Hope for inferring racist undertones by mentioning the "one black face in the manifesto" usually fail to mention what the tv pictures show. That it was black and Asian UKIP candidates that were booing Hope as if to say "what about us?"
    Link? The video I saw had the camera on the stage while the booing started, then the booing turned partially into applause and the camera turned to show that some black and Asian audience members were standing up and being clapped. It wasn't ever particularly clear who was doing the booing. It's possible there's a clearer video I haven't seen though.
    Sorry the Black and Asian canidates were standing up and waving at him not necessarily booing

    They are racist after all!
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Pong said:

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
    Apologies, I should have said - sell labour on Spreadex @ 20
    Blimey, do they have a lot of ricks like that?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Yes, the markets are more inconsistent with each than I can remember since I first started betting on politics.

    The Lab Maj odds on Betfair are just completely bonkers. OK, Lab Maj is unlikely, but it's not once-in-two-centuries unlikely, which is what the odds suggest. And if it were, then the constituency-level odds should reflect it, which they don't.
    UKIP outperforming on the day, the Scot's believing Murphy's bollocks and the yellow peril collapsing completely to Labour.

    It's unlikely, but not 50-1 unlikely.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680

    Pulpstar said:

    Heard from Northern Ireland this morning.

    Apathy party definitely winning the day there, turnout will be lower than Scotland at any rate.

    I wonder why the Alliance aren't able to hoover up the "Religion be damned" vote there though ?

    Should be ripe - surely ?!

    Nah, this is the place that asks atheists

    "Is it the Roman Catholic God you don't believe in, or the Protestant God you don't believe in?"
    I was married almost half a century ago in a Catholic church in Ireland.

    I was asked by the priest what my religion was. I said with some trepidation "Atheist". He said "Thank God for that. I though you were a Protestant!".
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited April 2015
    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    @Tissue_Price Can't find this Labour @ 20.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Barnesian..that would just point up the fact that they are really pathetic..there is not what one could even vaguely describe as a statesman among them..I cant wait to listen to the pitiful howling
  • FalseFlagFalseFlag Posts: 1,801
    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,149
    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    More of a Montreux man myself :lol:
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Yes, the markets are more inconsistent with each than I can remember since I first started betting on politics.

    The Lab Maj odds on Betfair are just completely bonkers. OK, Lab Maj is unlikely, but it's not once-in-two-centuries unlikely, which is what the odds suggest. And if it were, then the constituency-level odds should reflect it, which they don't.
    Counterintuitively, I blame the Ashcroft polling. Far too tempting to see a lead in a constituency poll and project that straight through to election day, whereas most people adjust national polling according to their expectation [or preference :-)].
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Dadge said:

    @Bond: Miliband is indeed an atrocious leader. But you have to ask what is it that the Tories are doing to lose to this man? Cameron's turned out to be a decent PM, the economy could be in worse shape, and he's had the LibDems in coalition to prevent it being a "nasty government" (and he's virtually killed them off in the process). And yet..!

    I know plenty of people who are convinced, for the reasons stated above, that the Tories will get in with a majority, and that the polls must be wrong. As I say, I am skeptical - I think the poll weightings will turn out to be a little off - but only inasmuch as I think the Tories will scrape the gold medal for largest party. They really are failing to get back into power when the Labour Party are virtually holding open the door to Number 10 for them. Some reasons...

    1. They lost the battle for hearts and minds. They were too quick after May 2010 to put into practice many of the ideological changes wanted by Conservative thinktanks, against a background of austerity. This made them look like they were in power for the sake of their friends. Robbing the poor to give to the rich, if you will.

    2. The NHS. This was always going to be a killer issue for the Tories. They needed a few Nick Winterton types in charge to start to negate this issue.

    3. Immigration. Not really their fault but they've continually blustered and floundered.

    4. The ground war. They were already behind, but they've lost lots of activists to Ukip and the task is just too big for the remaining troops.

    5. The air war. The national campaign has been fairly disappointing. It started quite assertively but by this stage you can hardly tell they're the party of government, what with all the jousting over promises. Cameron is clearly no Thatcher.

    If they hadn't put in place their key reforms on welfare, education and health in 2010-2012 they probably would never have happened.
    Mr Lansley said he did not need legislative change to pursue the policies he wanted to, so the purpose of their NHS legislation remains unknown.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_and_Social_Care_Act_2012
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Pong said:

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
    Apologies, I should have said - sell labour on Spreadex @ 20
    Blimey, do they have a lot of ricks like that?
    Can I have £50 with you at 13/8 UKIP Castle Point? Split the over round
  • TabmanTabman Posts: 1,046
    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...

    If it's going down, it's going down fighting...

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...

    Why? When Lebo presented to UK polling event that I attended back in February, he was forecasting 322 Conservative seats.

    Has he lost confidence in his model?
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    isam said:

    Pong said:

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
    Apologies, I should have said - sell labour on Spreadex @ 20
    Blimey, do they have a lot of ricks like that?
    Can I have £50 with you at 13/8 UKIP Castle Point? Split the over round
    Nope, it's 8/11 - 11/8 best prices. I'll give you 7/5 :p
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    While this seems like a great opportunity, if they all do this but one of them does no, then the other one looks like it has something positive to say and will almost certainly do better. I think this would also hold true for two.

    If they're all relentlessly negative, then sure they all get to have a go, but who stands out? And they'll all lose the oportunity to say something different.

    All five parties must understand this, so I think they'll be more likely to have a 5 minute hate, before they start trying to differentiate.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Counterintuitively, I blame the Ashcroft polling. Far too tempting to see a lead in a constituency poll and project that straight through to election day, whereas most people adjust national polling according to their expectation [or preference :-)].

    You might well be right. Also Scotland is a disruptive factor which might be confusing people.

    Anyway, whatever the reason, the key point is: profit from it!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Do we know who the senior guy at the mirror is who allegedly said "It’s f***ing terrifying to think that c*** might be running the country in three weeks’ time.”
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    That's how you know when an alleged child abuser is a real wrong 'un, when even Roger isnt prepared to defend him.

  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited April 2015

    Pong said:

    Pong said:

    I just don't get the betting markets. Either there is a shed-load of value on the tories winning constituencies in the 275-325 range, or the EICIPM/Lab minority/lab most seats bets are fantastic value.

    Nutz.

    Anyway, my pick of the conservative constituency bets is City of Chester @ 2/1, if you're not put off by the Ashcroft poll.

    DYOR.

    Or both.

    MOR can't find 2/1 in Chester!

    If you can get on with Coral then Taunton Deane @ 4/7 and Worcester @ 8/11 are still inexplicably there.
    Apologies, I should have said - sell labour on Spreadex @ 20
    Blimey, do they have a lot of ricks like that?
    They seem to take a slightly, erm, different view of the constituency markets than SPIN or ladbrokes. I tried to sell the Lib Dems in Stirling at 18.5 when the market first appeared - it would have been silly of me not to, after all. Sadly that trade got rejected and "Lib Dem" got relabelled "SNP" pretty quickly.

    I've moved a few other prices - like UKIP in Waveney and Labour in DCT, both were buys @0.1-1 (reasonable for the 9/1 on the 2nd place bets).

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...

    Why? When Lebo presented to UK polling event that I attended back in February, he was forecasting 322 Conservative seats.

    Has he lost confidence in his model?
    Probably. Swingback appears mortally wounded this time around, which - as I understand it - is the main reason for the high Tory seat count in the model.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Neil said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    That's how you know when an alleged child abuser is a real wrong 'un, when even Roger isnt prepared to defend him.

    +1. Proper coffee-snorter there.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2015
    Neil said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    That's how you know when an alleged child abuser is a real wrong 'un, when even Roger isnt prepared to defend him.
    Ooof!
  • BannedInParisBannedInParis Posts: 2,191
    Neil said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    That's how you know when an alleged child abuser is a real wrong 'un, when even Roger isnt prepared to defend him.

    :applause:
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,869
    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    I think not. I'm pretty sure Nigel's job is to destroy Ed Milliband -it's a direct appeal to his potential Labour switchers and will also reassure his potential Tory switchers they've backed the right man.

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,983
    Rod

    "(10000 Monte Carlo simulations)"

    I think the problem is you're not doing enough Monte Carlo simulations
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 926
    The party reaction to tonights debate
    Labour - shows Ed is ready to govern
    SNP - Nicola strong performance blew Labour away
    UKIP - Man of the people tells it like it is
    Green - The 3 woman on the panel most decisive with answers
    Plaid - strong performance from the women
    Conservatives - shows the chaos that will happen if we get a coalition of Labour and SNP
    Lib Dems - we should have been there to show we can moderate the ideas of all the parties
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Appropriately named Tory donor:

    The biggest donation to the Conservatives came from individual donor Michael Tory, who gave the party £75,000
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,869
    Can I also offer some further advice for Nigel - I think he should sneak in a Labour Party 'Limited Immigration' mug and swap it for his drinking glass at the last minute. Even if the cameras don't pick it up I'm sure some papers will the next morning. He could drink out of it every time Ed goes for a 'racism' attack line.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Another day, and another day closer to Miliband assuming power.

    Time running out for Dave, and short of a pact with the LDs and/or UKIP, I really doubt anything can save him now. People are probably already sending postal votes back - the voting has begun, and I can't see what could shift people's views between now and May 7th so it's all about getting out the vote.

    Accordingly, I have just posted my seats prediction in the prediction competition and I'd be surprised if this changed much before May 7th:

    Cons 276
    Lab 289
    Lib Dem 34
    UKIP 2
    Green 0
    SNP 31

    Ed becomes PM.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932
    Floater said:

    Do we know who the senior guy at the mirror is who allegedly said "It’s f***ing terrifying to think that c*** might be running the country in three weeks’ time.”

    ... and who he was talking about? ;-)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Jonathan said:

    Wondering what happens in the circumstance that Clegg loses in Sheffield, but the LDs have numbers that are critical to the formation of a govt.

    After yesterdays 'ignored' poll from the South West? If true, the LD's won't be helping anyone.
    Wonder why that poll didn't get its own thread **innocent face**
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,869
    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    They will not make personal attacks, but what on earth would they say if they couldn't attack the Government's record?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,680
    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    But if they do, what are the consequences?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Anorak said:

    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...

    Why? When Lebo presented to UK polling event that I attended back in February, he was forecasting 322 Conservative seats.

    Has he lost confidence in his model?
    Probably. Swingback appears mortally wounded this time around, which - as I understand it - is the main reason for the high Tory seat count in the model.
    The underlying assumption of the L&N model is that British politics is a two-party contest where over the long-term the fortunes of the two parties swing back and forth and in the short-term this is modified by the popularity of the incumbent Prime Minister.

    When you have other opposition parties, who aren't affected by the pendulum effect of having to defend their recent record in government, then it wouldn't be surprising if it broke the model. So the success or otherwise of the model depends on how credible the other parties are in the eyes of the electorate.
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.
    Quite possibly in 2005 too. Even in 2001 I think it was something along the lines of "it will get better, I promise".
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    FalseFlag said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
    The allegations seemed to be an open secret 30 years ago. I asked that question in the 1980s to a Met PC friend who mentioned his name, along with Smith, Brittan and Savile. He didn't know either. "Above my pay grade."

    In 1985 I saw Janner in the company of a ~9 year old boy in school uniform in the Gallery of the House of Commons. Proves nothing, of course.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Barnesian said:

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    But if they do, what are the consequences?
    The moderator tells them that they are a very naughty boy/girl?
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited April 2015

    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.
    Quite possibly in 2005 too. Even in 2001 I think it was something along the lines of "it will get better, I promise".
    Yes, here it is (2005): Hold your nose, vote Blair and Brown will be the victor.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,949
    Floater said:

    Do we know who the senior guy at the mirror is who allegedly said "It’s f***ing terrifying to think that c*** might be running the country in three weeks’ time.”

    Was it left on a voice mail?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    They will not make personal attacks, but what on earth would they say if they couldn't attack the Government's record?
    They could talk about their positive vision for the future :lol:
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Barnesian said:

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    But if they do, what are the consequences?
    I noted on the radio it was said that Clegg and Cameron weren't invited.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    Fair play went out the window a good while back this election campaign tbh.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    Roger said:

    Rod

    "(10000 Monte Carlo simulations)"

    I think the problem is you're not doing enough Monte Carlo simulations

    Or perhaps, too many.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    RodCrosby said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
    The allegations seemed to be an open secret 30 years ago. I asked that question in the 1980s to a Met PC friend who mentioned his name, along with Smith, Brittan and Savile. He didn't know either. "Above my pay grade."

    In 1985 I saw Janner in the company of a ~9 year old boy in school uniform in the Gallery of the House of Commons. Proves nothing, of course.
    Does it not if anything prove the opposite? If you were into assaulting little boys then why parade one in public?
  • DixieDixie Posts: 1,221
    Anecdote alert: I've been canvassing in 5 SW London seats for the last 30 days or so. There's been no discernible Labour up tick; the Lib Dems are saying nothing (so could go red) and Tories numbers are up maybe 3 to 5%. I met an ex-Lib Dem official who said that ex-yellows will vote 40% Tory, the rest Labour/Green but he can't work out the split. Hard election to call.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    RodCrosby said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
    The allegations seemed to be an open secret 30 years ago. I asked that question in the 1980s to a Met PC friend who mentioned his name, along with Smith, Brittan and Savile. He didn't know either. "Above my pay grade."

    In 1985 I saw Janner in the company of a ~9 year old boy in school uniform in the Gallery of the House of Commons. Proves nothing, of course.
    Smith, as in Cyril?

    Careful, you'll set Mark Senior off.
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    For me the most interesting thing about the last couple of days is Farage softening his stance to Dave.

    UKIP have people on the ground. Unlike Yougov, they aren't polling the same party stalwarts, over and over again, and getting the same result, day after day.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Pulpstar said:

    Barnesian said:

    Charles said:

    Barnesian said:

    Looking forward to the also rans snapping at each other tonight...all a bit.. So What..

    If they have any sense, they will all attack Cameron and not each other. Cameron isn't there to defend himself (his choice) so I hope they go for him. What an opportunity!
    Someone said a few days ago that they aren't allowed to because there's no ability for the Tories to immediately rebute
    But if they do, what are the consequences?
    I noted on the radio it was said that Clegg and Cameron weren't invited.
    Because Dave Wasnt prepared to attend and Nick couldnt have this and QT?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    RodCrosby said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
    The allegations seemed to be an open secret 30 years ago. I asked that question in the 1980s to a Met PC friend who mentioned his name, along with Smith, Brittan and Savile. He didn't know either. "Above my pay grade."

    In 1985 I saw Janner in the company of a ~9 year old boy in school uniform in the Gallery of the House of Commons. Proves nothing, of course.
    Does it not if anything prove the opposite? If you were into assaulting little boys then why parade one in public?
    Were you a consultant to OJ Simpson's defence team?

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:

    FalseFlag said:

    Roger said:

    Greville Janner is one of the very few people for whom I have no sympathy whatsoever. As head of the board of deputies he was a complete bastard

    The question is why was he not investigated and prosecuted a long time ago?
    The allegations seemed to be an open secret 30 years ago. I asked that question in the 1980s to a Met PC friend who mentioned his name, along with Smith, Brittan and Savile. He didn't know either. "Above my pay grade."

    In 1985 I saw Janner in the company of a ~9 year old boy in school uniform in the Gallery of the House of Commons. Proves nothing, of course.
    Does it not if anything prove the opposite? If you were into assaulting little boys then why parade one in public?
    Maybe because you really were untouchable? In those days, sex abuse of children was considered something of a joke, as I recall...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    UKIP should have made more use of Carswell this campaign.

    The SNP have provided a lesson in staying noticed with good cop Nicola/ bad cop Alex
  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited April 2015

    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.
    Quite possibly in 2005 too. Even in 2001 I think it was something along the lines of "it will get better, I promise".
    Yes, here it is (2005): Hold your nose, vote Blair and Brown will be the victor.
    In 2001 she finished with:

    If this Labour government is deeply disappointing: plus ça change. This Labour government has also done great good, with more to come. That is something worth voting for.

    So that's more positive than before other elections.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Roger said:


    "Challengers debate - not leaders."

    But however you cut it it makes Ed look brave and Dave look chicken. There's no other way for the public to read it.

    I like the way Ed bravely laid into the Mirror over phone hacking.... oh

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    Another day, and another day closer to Miliband assuming power.

    Time running out for Dave, and short of a pact with the LDs and/or UKIP, I really doubt anything can save him now. People are probably already sending postal votes back - the voting has begun, and I can't see what could shift people's views between now and May 7th so it's all about getting out the vote.

    Accordingly, I have just posted my seats prediction in the prediction competition and I'd be surprised if this changed much before May 7th:

    Cons 276
    Lab 289
    Lib Dem 34
    UKIP 2
    Green 0
    SNP 31

    Ed becomes PM.

    That forecast doesn't seem to me to justify your pessimism. I'd say there's still everything to play for.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711

    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.
    Quite possibly in 2005 too. Even in 2001 I think it was something along the lines of "it will get better, I promise".
    Yes, here it is (2005): Hold your nose, vote Blair and Brown will be the victor.
    Yup, another one on tactical voting: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/01/conservatives.election20011
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,949
    taffys said:

    For me the most interesting thing about the last couple of days is Farage softening his stance to Dave.

    UKIP have people on the ground. Unlike Yougov, they aren't polling the same party stalwarts, over and over again, and getting the same result, day after day.

    Nigel sought to destroy the Tory Party. Epic fail.

    He's now reached the point where he sees his role in political life will be as a footnote - mentioned in passing as the man who facilitated Ed Miliband, Prime Minister. The Prime Minister who finally climbed up the EU's rectum.

    Way to go, Nigel. UKIP. Truly, the Fucking for Virginity Party.

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143

    Tabman said:

    Pulpstar said:
    I hope the Guardian didn't pay Pollyanna a fee for that; its a rehash of the same article she wrote in 2010.
    Quite possibly in 2005 too. Even in 2001 I think it was something along the lines of "it will get better, I promise".
    Yes, here it is (2005): Hold your nose, vote Blair and Brown will be the victor.
    Yup, another one on tactical voting: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/01/conservatives.election20011
    This does bring into question the widespread assumption that time is running out for Dan Hodges' career as a columnist. Given how long Toynbee has been able to publish the same old rubbish in the Guardian he might feel hard done by not to continue to be gainfully employed by the Telegraph well into the next decade.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708
    Anorak said:

    RodCrosby said:

    For the final time... (^_-)

    Applying the (original) L&N model to Ipsos MORI we have:-

    (Central forecast)

    Con vote lead 8.3%
    Con seat lead 74 seats

    (10000 Monte Carlo simulations)

    Chance of a Tory vote lead: 100.0%
    Chance of a Tory seat lead: 99.5%

    Chance of a Hung Parliament: 53.2%
    Chance of a Tory majority: 46.8%
    Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%

    Comment: L&N have recently altered their model in an opaque way, changing the inputs and outputs to produce a much closer result...

    Why? When Lebo presented to UK polling event that I attended back in February, he was forecasting 322 Conservative seats.

    Has he lost confidence in his model?
    Probably. Swingback appears mortally wounded this time around, which - as I understand it - is the main reason for the high Tory seat count in the model.
    OTOH by-election swingback is right on schedule. Maybe the problem is that polling is getting better.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited April 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    UKIP should have made more use of Carswell this campaign.

    The SNP have provided a lesson in staying noticed with good cop Nicola/ bad cop Alex

    It looks as if Carswell is keeping his head down, and playing a waiting game.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,546

    taffys said:

    For me the most interesting thing about the last couple of days is Farage softening his stance to Dave.

    UKIP have people on the ground. Unlike Yougov, they aren't polling the same party stalwarts, over and over again, and getting the same result, day after day.

    Nigel sought to destroy the Tory Party. Epic fail.

    He's now reached the point where he sees his role in political life will be as a footnote - mentioned in passing as the man who facilitated Ed Miliband, Prime Minister. The Prime Minister who finally climbed up the EU's rectum.

    Way to go, Nigel. UKIP. Truly, the Fucking for Virginity Party.

    If the Tory Party loses this election, that's the fault of the Tory Party. Not Nigel Farage or anyone else.
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693

    taffys said:

    For me the most interesting thing about the last couple of days is Farage softening his stance to Dave.

    UKIP have people on the ground. Unlike Yougov, they aren't polling the same party stalwarts, over and over again, and getting the same result, day after day.

    Nigel sought to destroy the Tory Party. Epic fail.

    He's now reached the point where he sees his role in political life will be as a footnote - mentioned in passing as the man who facilitated Ed Miliband, Prime Minister. The Prime Minister who finally climbed up the EU's rectum.

    Way to go, Nigel. UKIP. Truly, the Fucking for Virginity Party.

    Isn't this stuff supposed to wait until 10pm on may 7th?

    If dave doesn't get his majority, it could turn very ugly, very fast.
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