Mr. Northwales, don't Cardiff and Swansea play in English leagues? And Catalan Dragons in the Superleague?
Its to the benefit of both the UK and French rugby league authorities that Catalan play in a common competition. I think (?) its officially the European Superleague. It helps RL in both countries and RL needs a strong French team. Perversely after always playing internationally as Great Britain, the UK Rugby League now play as 'England'.
The inclusion of Welsh teams in 'the' football league dates back I guess to well before the notion of anyone thinking about separate parliaments and of thinking of Wales as somehow separate.
The author of that article is permanently offended and quite nicely sums up the Labour party. Controls on immigration is not racist. Unless of course you want to classify the vast majority of countries as being racist.
Yup. That guy sums up what's gone wrong with Labour. Nothing to say at all about Labour endlessly giving into the Right on austerity (something where the public has left-wing views), yet kicking up a stink about being mildly more anti-immigration just because it offends his liberal sensibilities. The party's job is supposed to be to protect poor people, not to make a few London middle-class people feel morally "right on".
I have to disagree. The article is right that the problem is that Labour is total unauthentic on this. Miliband has no serious proposals to control immigration.
It isn't racist to want to control immigration. It is wrong to spout claims about wanting to without having any serious intent whatsoever to do so.
The author of that article is permanently offended and quite nicely sums up the Labour party. Controls on immigration is not racist. Unless of course you want to classify the vast majority of countries as being racist.
Can't you see that the mug is just funny? Just a stupidly obvious and deliciously surreal error of judgement, by Labour. And it's also a jolly nice souvenir, for any political geek, of one of the most interesting elections any of us will experience.
Labour might control immigration by ruining our economy. No jobs no immigration.
The author of that article is permanently offended and quite nicely sums up the Labour party. Controls on immigration is not racist. Unless of course you want to classify the vast majority of countries as being racist.
Can't you see that the mug is just funny? Just a stupidly obvious and deliciously surreal error of judgement, by Labour. And it's also a jolly nice souvenir, for any political geek, of one of the most interesting elections any of us will experience.
Labour might control immigration by ruining our economy. No jobs no immigration.
...Same old ending. You have managed to make John Prescott look like Reginald Bosanquet (appropriately enough). Brown looks strangely 'Benny-ish' from Crossroads.
No doubt that if this was a UKIP mug 'controls on immigration' the BBC would be running it as an example of their 'far right neo fascism' and getting commentators from the other main parties to denounce it.
The view from Labour activists is that they are confident about taking several seats off the Tories in London but are unsure about what will happen nationally.
In London,the Tories are carpetting the marginals with leaflets from Central Office but they haven`t got the boots on the ground.
Mr. Owls, not sure if you saw it, or watch the programme, but yesterday (I think) I posted that the chap playing Littlefinger in Game of Thrones apparently bases the character on Mandelson.
Mr. Carnyx, surely the Romans had barracks beforehand? [Not necessarily in Berwick, of course].
Oh yes, they did - of course it depended which frontier they were holding, in Perthshire (Gask Ridge), across the Central Isthmus (Antonine Wall), or Hadrian's Wall (all including, of course, the zone of control and influence to the front). I don't recall Berwick being an important place in Roman times, but then I do not know if the Tweed was navigable up to Trimontium (the legionary base near Melrose). The main route to Scotland on the East was Dere Street - more or less the A68 up Redesdale and then down to Kelso and Trimontium abd Cramond on the Forth. Plenty of forts along there - the High Rochester one still has upstanding stonework in places. But a road heads off Dere Street more or less north to Berwick, so it must have had some significance.
The importance of the Berwick barracks was perhaps that it was the modern first purpose built barracks obviating the need to billet the squaddies on the unfortunate local householders. But, as with so much else military, for the first time since the Romans, as you imply.
Mr. Owls, not sure if you saw it, or watch the programme, but yesterday (I think) I posted that the chap playing Littlefinger in Game of Thrones apparently bases the character on Mandelson.
Owen Jones@OwenJones84·6 mins6 minutes ago “Fancy a brew in my ‘Controls for immigration mug’?”. Seriously, Labour. Scrap your Farage wannabe mugs and give people some bloody hope
Mr. Owls, not sure if you saw it, or watch the programme, but yesterday (I think) I posted that the chap playing Littlefinger in Game of Thrones apparently bases the character on Mandelson.
Labour dog whistling on immigration. Who will believe them when they were the ones who allowed a massive influx. Labour are not credible.
Some people will believe anything, credible or not, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility of it being believed, but agreed on this issue it would be harder for Labour than on most issues.
Had a quick read of the Sun in the chinese today - don't normally read the paper edition... looks to me like Tom Newton Dunn may well be voting Conservative.
Doesn't surprise me that there's movement, YouGov's panel seems overly political and so I'm guessing a lot of the participants of the poll would have watched it.
@ShippersUnbound: Big lift in Miliband’s personal ratings. Best PM 23%, up 4% in a week. (Cameron 35%). Miliband personal rating -28%. Early march it was -48%
TSE retweeted Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 40s40 seconds ago YouGov/Sunday Times poll Fieldwork all carried out after the Paxo primary. Lab 36% Con 32% LD 8% Ukip 13% Green 6%
Now sure why the fuss is now given that Ed announced weeks ago that one of his 5 pledges was `Controlled Immigration`.
and how will labour control immigration ? with more refugee's,more students numbers,proberly immigration from out side of the EU will rise under labour ,especially family members.
Why don't you admit it,under labour immigration will be higher than under the coalition.
Hahaha. So, the instant people see Ed M Lab will suffer, as I recall the lack of concern from some Tories about where the polls were placing them, was based on. That'll work out fine, clearly.
There won't be a lasting bounce just from this debate alone, BUT it's possible it'll give Miliband a confidence boost which might lead to a consistent improvement in his public performance?
Many right-wing posters here said for years that Labour should change policy and talk more about immigration, but they now criticise then they do. Funny that.
Of course its all absurd from so many angles. Anyone who has it in for the BBC chief should strap him up like Alex in 'A Clockwork Orange' and force him to watch endless hours of Eastenders whilst listening to the theme tune to Casualty. Its called the Wosisthen Technique.
The only people I know who saw the interviews thought Ed had clearly won, but it was a low sample of people, I figured at worst for Cameron it had been pretty even and they were mistaken, but maybe they were right. Few people watch these things, and it's usually the same old weirdos like us, but maybe enough mostly normal people are tuning in and liking what they see in Miliband? He's a bit awkward, making him seem a little more normal (even if the things that make him awkward are not in themselves normal, but he doesn't come across as as highly polished), and he's attacked so viciously he gets some sympathy?
Perhaps my Lab majority prediction is back on, even with Scottish troubles.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 9m9 minutes ago Big lift in Miliband’s personal ratings. Best PM 23%, up 4% in a week. (Cameron 35%). Miliband personal rating -28%. Early march it was -48%
Slightly surprised Labour got a debate bump, largely because I'd assumed no-one had watched it.
I thought Miliband did fine, plus it gave him an opportunity to get Labour's policies away from the spin of the media. Kind of surprised how negative some were about Miliband's performance.
If this sort of poll were to begin to be repeated, how quickly would we see a reliance on the 'cannot trust the polls' argument? Can be true of course, but the Tories were already relying on they being the ones to gain a last minute boost for no particular reason other than Ed M being crap (whoops), and if they have to rely on that and the polls being massively out (given they were already hoping for and needing a shy Tory effect)? Worrying.
A 4 point Tory lead from other pollsters now though, that would be funny - retaining parity, on average, but making everyone sweat even more.
They must be measuring that Con win in Dumfreis and Galloway by the thickness of a hair.
SMAPS has Cons winning by 44 votes. With vote totals of 16402 16582 16538
It requires LAB/SNP to be perfectly spilt. The Ashcroft poll has the SNP outperforming SMAPS by 2 percentage points and Cons underperforming SMAPS by a point.
EDIT: Just checked - they are predicted a margin of zero percent so knife edge.
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The inclusion of Welsh teams in 'the' football league dates back I guess to well before the notion of anyone thinking about separate parliaments and of thinking of Wales as somehow separate.
The actor playing George Osborne is too handsome...
They mis-spelled Witney and Whitney and the election result didn't come as a shock to Dave or George
Edit: or taken off?
I don't see how a mug can stop immigration.
It's purpose is to stop emigration.
Of the tea or coffee.
*gets coat*
It isn't racist to want to control immigration. It is wrong to spout claims about wanting to without having any serious intent whatsoever to do so.
Will be interesting to see if the pre-orders are cancelled and the money refunded.
https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/581929426759364608
https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/labours-general-election-pledge-card-530/
BTW does this mean we're now down to 4 pledges
You have managed to make John Prescott look like Reginald Bosanquet (appropriately enough).
Brown looks strangely 'Benny-ish' from Crossroads.
Mind you, Farage looks very young. Perhaps from an old photo...
I have one from 1999 with the slogan "Think Euro, Think Deutsche".
How farsighted they were...
(still my favorite coffee mug though)
#muggate
The actors playing Cameron and Clegg in #coalition are absolutely awful.
Realistic by the sound of it especially as that scary butcher from League of Gentlemen is playing Mandleson
How farsighted they were...
(still my favorite coffee mug though)
UKIP policy on immigration Quality >> Quantity
Labour policy on immigration Quantity >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quality
The view from Labour activists is that they are confident about taking several seats off the Tories in London but are unsure about what will happen nationally.
In London,the Tories are carpetting the marginals with leaflets from Central Office but they haven`t got the boots on the ground.
The Mail cover sounds bonkers. On the other hand, it's no more deranged than threats of murder over cartoons.
Some people really do have tiny, narrow minds.
Next PM and most seats prices on Ed and Lab about same
'Letwin not to be underestimated'
lol
The racist pledge cards are still available - 20 pounds for 500
https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/labours-general-election-pledge-card-530/
The importance of the Berwick barracks was perhaps that it was the modern first purpose built barracks obviating the need to billet the squaddies on the unfortunate local householders. But, as with so much else military, for the first time since the Romans, as you imply.
Apart from NOM
Owen Jones@OwenJones84·6 mins6 minutes ago
“Fancy a brew in my ‘Controls for immigration mug’?”. Seriously, Labour. Scrap your Farage wannabe mugs and give people some bloody hope
#greendefectionwatch
Spad: "Ed, shall we do a mug with Controls on Immigration on it?"
Ed: "Hell, yes".
Fieldwork all carried out after the Paxo primary.
Lab 36%
Con 32%
LD 8%
Ukip 13%
Green 6%
Doesn't surprise me that there's movement, YouGov's panel seems overly political and so I'm guessing a lot of the participants of the poll would have watched it.
Tim Shipman @ShippersUnbound 40s40 seconds ago
YouGov/Sunday Times poll
Fieldwork all carried out after the Paxo primary.
Lab 36%
Con 32%
LD 8%
Ukip 13%
Green 6%
EICIPM (With overall Maj on these numbers)
Remind me who won the debate
Why don't you admit it,under labour immigration will be higher than under the coalition.
There won't be a lasting bounce just from this debate alone, BUT it's possible it'll give Miliband a confidence boost which might lead to a consistent improvement in his public performance?
2 for Cowardly Cameron
I give up.
Hell, no.
Labour most seats @ 2/1?
bonkers.
Perhaps my Lab majority prediction is back on, even with Scottish troubles.
MUGGATE = our black swan.
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Back to work to cheer me up.
Basil is now getting desperate. He is looking far from chipper.Looks like he is suffering from non-crosbyswingbackcrossoverpredictionitus.
Big lift in Miliband’s personal ratings. Best PM 23%, up 4% in a week. (Cameron 35%). Miliband personal rating -28%. Early march it was -48%
I thought Miliband did fine, plus it gave him an opportunity to get Labour's policies away from the spin of the media. Kind of surprised how negative some were about Miliband's performance.
A 4 point Tory lead from other pollsters now though, that would be funny - retaining parity, on average, but making everyone sweat even more.
So 54-46 and 51-49 were a case of Miliband over performing, hence the feeling he had "won"
In effect the handicap market was Cameron -24, and the result was Cameron by 2 or 8. So failing to cover the handicap by around 19
SMAPS has Cons winning by 44 votes. With vote totals of
16402
16582
16538
It requires LAB/SNP to be perfectly spilt. The Ashcroft poll has the SNP outperforming SMAPS by 2 percentage points and Cons underperforming SMAPS by a point.
EDIT: Just checked - they are predicted a margin of zero percent so knife edge.