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  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    TGOHF said:

    @ShippersUnbound: Sunday Times has a YouGov poll tonight with data collected AFTER Thursday's Paxo primary

    Cons 40%?

    Titter...
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    RobD said:

    TGOHF said:

    @ShippersUnbound: Sunday Times has a YouGov poll tonight with data collected AFTER Thursday's Paxo primary

    Cons 40%?

    Titter...
    Hell, yes.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Mr. Foxinsox, I did not know that. There's some doubt over whether Edward II was actually killed, though. Ian Mortimer reckons he escaped alive, and died some years later.

    I find the evidence Ian Motimer provides very persuasive. His books about Roger Mortimer and about Edward III are very well worth reading.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 121,974
    edited March 2015
    MP SE Albeit 33% of candidates will be women and 14% black or ethnic minority and no new Etonians will be standing in Tory held constituencies. Alan Mak will be Britain's first British Chinese MP if he retains Havant as is likely
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625
    TGOHF said:

    RobD said:

    Voter registration is super easy. Took me under 5 minutes to do online.

    Annoyingly 2 of my children who are Labour voters will not register as they apparently think they dont understand what they all stand for. Of the 2 who are registered one is more committed to Lab than me the other changes his mind every week between Lab and UKIP.

    Net result Lab 2 down in my family (maybe 3)

    If this is typical of the UK as a whole EMWNBPM
    Sounds like they aren't Labour voters.
    They were in 2010 so if they registered i reckon they would vote Labour. I think really they would be non voters if they aren't nagged. Will be deploying Mrs BJ to deploy her charm on them when they come up for my birthday on Wednesday.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Clipp, I enjoyed his Edward III biography a lot. Rambly review here:
    http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/review-perfect-king-life-of-edward-iii.html

    Have you read Marc Morris' Edward I biography?
  • Does anyone know where I can get the data tables from YouGov polls stretching back the last few weeks? Their website is hopelessly difficult to navigate, and I can only find the most recent.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,121
    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    All of this debates/interview stuff is really just about TV presenters showing off, isn't it?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Science paves the way to victory: graphene bulbs to go on sale soon [use less energy and cheaper than other bulbs, seemingly]:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32100071
  • Muggate

    Dan Hodges‏@DPJHodges·2 mins2 minutes ago
    Just showed my mum a picture of the mug. "Get me one. Then I'll hold a photo-call and smash it up".

    Alisdair Calder‏@A_C_McGregor·7m7 minutes ago
    Bravo to whoever photoshopped this:
    #LabourMugs
    #RacistMug pic.twitter.com/6rCYNnIYl3
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Dair said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/566852/Nigel-Farage-Ukip-St-George-s-Day

    WORKERS in England and Wales would get an extra bank holiday to celebrate their national saints’ days, under an election pledge unveiled today by Nigel Farage.

    Which one is he getting rid of? Or are we going to get a new bank holiday promised to us every election?
    Since the left have appropriated 'May Day' as the International Workers' Day, why not rename the Spring bank holiday later in the month to something more appropriate?

    But forget St George: everyone knows what it should be. Yes, I cannot wait to unfurl my Union Jack for the most meaningful of bank holidays:

    Thatcher Day!
    The end of May Holiday used to be called Empire Day so it did once have a name.

    My mother always used to tell me the end of May holiday was "Scottish May Day" but I've never found any source for this. Then again she tells me she voted Yes but I'm pretty certain she voted No with my Quisling father.
    Empire Day became Commonwealth Day in 1958.

    We have it as a bank holiday in Gibraltar.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
    Where did it say he had?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    I very much doubt that oil will remain at that level - and it is not running out. But independence is not on the agenda at the moment anyway.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,597

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has been achieved with Opinium then!

    Possibly, but let's await tonight's YouGov poll for the Sunday Times. If the Blue Team lead in that too, I think even OGH would have to concede (in a very muted way of course) that the Tories are now ahead.
    Don't agree with that - Con 1% lead with Opinium is on same fieldwork dates as Lab led with both Survation and YouGov. So provides no evidence of Con lead at that point.

    Since then we have one Con lead, one Lab lead and one tie.

    So whatever YouGov says tonight it is one poll to add to a base which is bang on tied. Not remotely enough to conclude anything.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    The word is that tonight's YouGov has....
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    PS. On identity: I wouldn't be so sure. It does, after all, have a Presbyterian kirk ,badly camped up in High Anglican style, as the parish church, and sells the Scottish newspapers in its shops (which Kings Cross railway station most certainly does not do).

  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    TGOHF said:

    RobD said:

    Voter registration is super easy. Took me under 5 minutes to do online.

    Annoyingly 2 of my children who are Labour voters will not register as they apparently think they dont understand what they all stand for. Of the 2 who are registered one is more committed to Lab than me the other changes his mind every week between Lab and UKIP.

    Net result Lab 2 down in my family (maybe 3)

    If this is typical of the UK as a whole EMWNBPM
    Sounds like they aren't Labour voters.
    They were in 2010 so if they registered i reckon they would vote Labour. I think really they would be non voters if they aren't nagged. Will be deploying Mrs BJ to deploy her charm on them when they come up for my birthday on Wednesday.
    Fox jr is swinging between Labour and Green in Norwich South. Definitly on the register there.

    My hinting that the Greens are the best choice are subtle, and completely independent of my bets on the Greens there at good odds!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
    Where did it say he had?
    He wouldn't be mentioning it if he didn't want it to happen.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Selfie-loving Karen Danczuk's MP husband blames faulty iPhone after constituent spots him 'favouriting' hard-core pornography

    Arhh the old faulty iPhone excuse...
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    MikeL said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has been achieved with Opinium then!

    Possibly, but let's await tonight's YouGov poll for the Sunday Times. If the Blue Team lead in that too, I think even OGH would have to concede (in a very muted way of course) that the Tories are now ahead.
    Don't agree with that - Con 1% lead with Opinium is on same fieldwork dates as Lab led with both Survation and YouGov. So provides no evidence of Con lead at that point.

    Since then we have one Con lead, one Lab lead and one tie.

    So whatever YouGov says tonight it is one poll to add to a base which is bang on tied. Not remotely enough to conclude anything.
    Although it is only one poll tonight's YouGov will impact on the narrative and if the CON lead is unchanged or up that will reinforce the betting. Also interesting to see the leader ratings.

  • The word is that tonight's YouGov has....

    ... been cancelled so a Labour Immigration mug can be bought with the monies saved

    .... proved once and for all that Dave cannot win here

    ... made a £50m bid for Harry Kane

    ... finished above Spurs, pipping them for a place in the Champions League next season
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Urquhart, can be easy to cock-up on Twitter.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Selfie-loving Karen Danczuk's MP husband blames faulty iPhone after constituent spots him 'favouriting' hard-core pornography

    Arhh the old faulty iPhone excuse...

    Mine does that all the time... sigh.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    edited March 2015
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/28/conservatives-labour-observer-opinium-neck-and-neck-parliament-dissolved

    I notice that in the chart in this article, it is clear to see Tories uptick equates to UKIP downtick. Not that surprising in itself. I guess the question is, are there any more votes that Tories can regain from UKIP'ers, or is that now the hardcore, Cameron has f##ked me off big time, he can shove it where the sun doesn't shine, brigade?

    And will Green's continue to poll at current amount and / or Lib Dem recover?
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382

    Does anyone know where I can get the data tables from YouGov polls stretching back the last few weeks? Their website is hopelessly difficult to navigate, and I can only find the most recent.

    https://yougov.co.uk/publicopinion/archive/?year=&month=&category=politics
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,302
    Carnyx said:

    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    I very much doubt that oil will remain at that level - and it is not running out. But independence is not on the agenda at the moment anyway.

    Ah yes the old I doubt routine, like when you Nats doubted oil could drop below $100 a barrel.
  • SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    PS. On identity: I wouldn't be so sure. It does, after all, have a Presbyterian kirk ,badly camped up in High Anglican style, as the parish church, and sells the Scottish newspapers in its shops (which Kings Cross railway station most certainly does not do).

    Oh FFS. I've been to Berwicka few times. It feels like a very northern English town proud of its Borders identity and Scots connections, but English nonetheless. I'd wager £100 most of the lads in the town support England at the football, that crucial test.

    But of course my data is anecdotal and as useless as yours. But the economic logic of independence (grim for the first decade at least) trumps all.
    That's exactly as it was when I lived there including supporting England even though Berwick played in the Scottish league
  • RobD said:

    Selfie-loving Karen Danczuk's MP husband blames faulty iPhone after constituent spots him 'favouriting' hard-core pornography

    Arhh the old faulty iPhone excuse...

    Mine does that all the time... sigh.
    Mine too, and my iPad.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598

    Muggate

    Dan Hodges‏@DPJHodges·2 mins2 minutes ago
    Just showed my mum a picture of the mug. "Get me one. Then I'll hold a photo-call and smash it up".

    Alisdair Calder‏@A_C_McGregor·7m7 minutes ago
    Bravo to whoever photoshopped this:
    #LabourMugs
    #RacistMug pic.twitter.com/6rCYNnIYl3

    Imagine taking that into work for your coffee cup.

    To be (slightly) fair to them, I checked the obvious thought, and yes, they do have mugs for the other pledges:

    https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/?q=mug

    The 'Gifts' section is also interesting, juxtaposing Mr A. Campbell's tract on how to succeed alongside mr K. Hardie's historic electoral address as it does. And their use of 'Historic' is just a wee bit unfortunate - for instance in "You know Labour government works - Historic Labour Poster".

  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341

    Annoyingly 2 of my children who are Labour voters will not register as they apparently think they dont understand what they all stand for. Of the 2 who are registered one is more committed to Lab than me the other changes his mind every week between Lab and UKIP.

    Net result Lab 2 down in my family (maybe 3)

    If this is typical of the UK as a whole EMWNBPM

    Two lifelong Labour voters in my household who will not be ticking the Ed box this time. Both leaning Tory and will, in my opinion, actually take the plunge if they think the current Labour party has a chance of winning.

    Attitudes towards property ownership are part of the driver, and Ed is making disliked Dave the preferable option.
  • These are the Tory mugs

    https://instagram.com/p/0yOdcxvB8e/
  • Does anyone know where I can get the data tables from YouGov polls stretching back the last few weeks? Their website is hopelessly difficult to navigate, and I can only find the most recent.

    https://yougov.co.uk/publicopinion/archive/?year=&month=&category=politics
    Thanks Mike, do you know if there's any way I can filter out the chaff so I just get the voting intention ones?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Mr. Urquhart, can be easy to cock-up on Twitter.

    'cock-up'? Indeed. :D
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has been achieved with Opinium then!

    ELBOW says Tory lead of 0.04% (YG still to come tonight!)
  • FregglesFreggles Posts: 3,486

    TGOHF said:

    RobD said:

    Voter registration is super easy. Took me under 5 minutes to do online.

    Annoyingly 2 of my children who are Labour voters will not register as they apparently think they dont understand what they all stand for. Of the 2 who are registered one is more committed to Lab than me the other changes his mind every week between Lab and UKIP.

    Net result Lab 2 down in my family (maybe 3)

    If this is typical of the UK as a whole EMWNBPM
    Sounds like they aren't Labour voters.
    They were in 2010 so if they registered i reckon they would vote Labour. I think really they would be non voters if they aren't nagged. Will be deploying Mrs BJ to deploy her charm on them when they come up for my birthday on Wednesday.
    Is she aware of your moniker for her on this website?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    Without the huge London Subsidy Scotland pays, the extra £15bn a year could fund a lot of extra public services.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Northwales, don't Cardiff and Swansea play in English leagues? And Catalan Dragons in the Superleague?
  • Mr. Northwales, don't Cardiff and Swansea play in English leagues? And Catalan Dragons in the Superleague?

    Yes
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    GIN1138 said:

    Looks like crossover has been achieved with Opinium then!

    ELBOW says Tory lead of 0.04% (YG still to come tonight!)
    Blue tide confirmed. Thanks ;)
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625
    Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/581910733040041985/photo/1

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Carnyx said:

    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    I very much doubt that oil will remain at that level - and it is not running out. But independence is not on the agenda at the moment anyway.

    Oil is at $56 and the best we can say is it is volatile. Currently its is at about a third of what Salmond was predicting for its future. Shale oils clearly mean that 'boom oil' is over. Peak Oil never happened.
    Scotland can fantasise about not needing to balance their budget (its a seductive 'spend other peoples money' bribe) but the reality is they like the rest of the UK suffered from Brown's massive 50% spending increase in real terms between 2000 and 2010. Current Scottish spending is as unaffordable as England's.

    Sturgeon's economics and politics was clearly learned at the knee of Miliband Snr. Sadly Scotland is welcome to her.
  • Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/581910733040041985/photo/1

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote

    Yes, you need to go the voting station on election day, and put a cross next to the Tory candidate.

    That automatically unregisters you to vote.

    Honest.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,531
    "I've never voted Conservative before, but we mugs have to stick together!"

    :lol::lol::lol:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,139
    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    Dair said:

    Mortimer said:


    Leaving Scotland? Leaving Scotland? It is currently part of England.

    Get used to it.

    As stated it's status is currently Disputed as it was not resolved before the Acts of Union which will be voided by a Scottish Yes vote. Berwick is Scottish. it will remain Scottish, I have little doubt, but as I said you'd be given a reasonable period to stabilise the plummeting rUK economy before a binding vote. That way you might have a slight chance.
    Berwick is not Scottish - I was bought up there and in my time living in Berwick residents prided themselves in being in England
    Not nearly so much now, it would seem. They are really unhappy with the loss of the town's status and subsumption into Northumberland. I was, all the same, mildly surprised that a voodoo poll had such a strong vote for returning to Scottish control.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/england/8640148.stm

    Er, you forgot to quote this bit:

    "Better financed public services, including free personal health care for the elderly, were cited as the main reasons."

    It's nothing to do with identity, it's proof positive that Berwickians think Scots get a better deal from UK public spending, as they do.

    But how long would superior welfare benefits last in an indy Scotland, especially with oil at $50 a barrel, and running out?

    You're too intelligent to deny the obvious answer. iScotland could survive in the long term, even prosper, but the first decade or two would be cruel, especially for the poor.
    PS. On identity: I wouldn't be so sure. It does, after all, have a Presbyterian kirk ,badly camped up in High Anglican style, as the parish church, and sells the Scottish newspapers in its shops (which Kings Cross railway station most certainly does not do).

    Oh FFS. I've been to Berwicka few times. It feels like a very northern English town proud of its Borders identity and Scots connections, but English nonetheless. I'd wager £100 most of the lads in the town support England at the football, that crucial test.

    But of course my data is anecdotal and as useless as yours. But the economic logic of independence (grim for the first decade at least) trumps all.
    I was once in a chippie in Berwick on a heaving Saturday night. Every person in front of me had a different accent - from Glaswegian to Borders to Geordie. It was quite an impressive collection.

    It's a lovely town, and well worth spending a day exploring IMHO. There's some nice bridges as well, if that's your interest. ;-)
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/581910733040041985/photo/1

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote

    just seen that Labour mug - wtf???
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote

    Yes, you need to go the voting station on election day, and put a cross next to the Tory candidate.

    That automatically unregisters you to vote.

    Honest.
    Wearing big blue rosettes and asking others to do the same will expedite the process.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
    Where did it say he had?
    He wouldn't be mentioning it if he didn't want it to happen.
    What a shocking ambition for a leading political interviewer at election time eh?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
    Where did it say he had?
    He wouldn't be mentioning it if he didn't want it to happen.
    What a shocking ambition for a leading political interviewer at election time eh?
    Needs to be put in his place!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598
    edited March 2015
    SeanT said:




    [snip]

    Oh FFS. I've been to Berwicka few times. It feels like a very northern English town proud of its Borders identity and Scots connections, but English nonetheless. I'd wager £100 most of the lads in the town support England at the football, that crucial test.

    But of course my data is anecdotal and as useless as yours. But the economic logic of independence (grim for the first decade at least) trumps all.

    To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about Berwick, and especially the footie. But the discussion (and this is not in itself a criticism of your comments, but another issue altogether) does highlight what I have been coming to feel about the issue of the SNP in wider UK politics. Too much of the discussion in PB and elsewhere has assumed that the SNP is about indy, which is of course true in the long run. But I really don't think enough thought has been given to the implication of a party with the SNP's policies as an actor in wider UK politics in the short and medium term. This will be an interesting area to play out, in the event that the SNP hold the balance of power (and I think they will be a lot subtler than is currently being screamed on the pages of the DM and DT, though that's hardly difficult).

    All the same, it would have been interesting to see what happened if the SNP had put up a candidate there - it being a hard enough seat to call at the moment anyway.

    Anyway, goodnight, and belated congratulations on your book success - most impressive.

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    It's the party you support whistling furiously.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,598

    SeanT said:

    [snip]

    Oh FFS. I've been to Berwicka few times. It feels like a very northern English town proud of its Borders identity and Scots connections, but English nonetheless. I'd wager £100 most of the lads in the town support England at the football, that crucial test.

    But of course my data is anecdotal and as useless as yours. But the economic logic of independence (grim for the first decade at least) trumps all.

    I was once in a chippie in Berwick on a heaving Saturday night. Every person in front of me had a different accent - from Glaswegian to Borders to Geordie. It was quite an impressive collection.

    It's a lovely town, and well worth spending a day exploring IMHO. There's some nice bridges as well, if that's your interest. ;-)
    Indeed. And some serious military stuff, including the mediaeval and Tudor burgh walls, and the first purpose-built barracks in Great Britain.

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    HYUFD said:

    Tories hold their lead with Opinium and SNP down to 37% in Scotland their lowest total for months, albeit still clearly ahead

    Which day will the SNP make their vow?
  • You just have to wonder how on earth labour could produce mugs and whistles straight out of UKIP'S playlist. I would expect labours left to be incandescent
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited March 2015
    RobD said:

    Dair said:


    My mother always used to tell me the end of May holiday was "Scottish May Day" but I've never found any source for this. Then again she tells me she voted Yes but I'm pretty certain she voted No with my Quisling father.

    They must be proud of you ;)
    How can you be proud of a Quisling son? :)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Carnyx, surely the Romans had barracks beforehand? [Not necessarily in Berwick, of course].
  • SeanT said:

    I've bought one of the Racist Labour Mugs. What's the betting they pull them off the market tomorrow? Only about 30 will survive (if they ship mine).

    It'll be worth £40,000 by 2019.

    Yes but surely the damage is done - muggate !!!!
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    Carnyx said:

    Muggate

    Dan Hodges‏@DPJHodges·2 mins2 minutes ago
    Just showed my mum a picture of the mug. "Get me one. Then I'll hold a photo-call and smash it up".

    Alisdair Calder‏@A_C_McGregor·7m7 minutes ago
    Bravo to whoever photoshopped this:
    #LabourMugs
    #RacistMug pic.twitter.com/6rCYNnIYl3

    Imagine taking that into work for your coffee cup.

    To be (slightly) fair to them, I checked the obvious thought, and yes, they do have mugs for the other pledges:

    https://shop.labour.org.uk/products/?q=mug

    The 'Gifts' section is also interesting, juxtaposing Mr A. Campbell's tract on how to succeed alongside mr K. Hardie's historic electoral address as it does. And their use of 'Historic' is just a wee bit unfortunate - for instance in "You know Labour government works - Historic Labour Poster".

    They only have 641 'controls on immigration' mugs, and the last one - the Labour Party mug - unavailable. Doesn't exude confidence. I couldn't find the Are You Alright, Ed mug.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625

    You just have to wonder how on earth labour could produce mugs and whistles straight out of UKIP'S playlist. I would expect labours left to be incandescent

    The whistle is photoshopped but pledge 4 mug will be outsold by the we love Tony Blair mug in the LAB shop
  • I'm half tempted to write the morning thread on muggate
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    edited March 2015
    If we're talking of mugs, below is my contribution for the evening:

    I've got a Ukip mug, and even it's more liberal on immigration than Labour's pic.twitter.com/lHT4puRhqC

    — Michael Deacon (@MichaelPDeacon) March 28, 2015

    Mind you, Farage looks very young. Perhaps from an old photo...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    edited March 2015
    MikeK said:

    If we're talking of mugs, below is my contribution for the evening:
    -snip-

    Shouldn't that be "EU're not my cup of tea"?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Andrew Neil (@afneil)
    28/03/2015 20:04
    Now clear to me that this election campaign will happen without me interviewing Cameron, Osborne or Miliband

    Didn't realise Neil had a god-given right to do so.
    Where did it say he had?
    He wouldn't be mentioning it if he didn't want it to happen.
    What a shocking ambition for a leading political interviewer at election time eh?
    Needs to be put in his place!
    Or his producer...
  • I'm half tempted to write the morning thread on muggate

    That would be fun - bet the greens and libdems can't believe their luck
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Perhaps there will be an anticlimax on yougov.

    Chris Hanretty @chrishanretty · 9m 9 minutes ago
    @alstewitn @ShippersUnbound i.e., I'll still believe media reporting of debate matters even if @SundayTimesNews is business as usual.


    As for muggate, I can't imagine a more silly thing to make a fuss about.

    I'm out to enjoy the night.
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Only 456 mugs left - they're selling fast now.
  • I'm half tempted to write the morning thread on muggate

    That would be fun - bet the greens and libdems can't believe their luck
    and I haven't even mentioned the SNP !!!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/581910733040041985/photo/1

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote

    Funny its taken a Labour mug to bring out the loudest dog whistle in politics. It does rather miss the point about dog whistles. Blaming traffic jams on immigrants is a dog whistle.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    Boo

    Made out of iron, one would hope.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SeanT said:

    I've bought one of the Racist Labour Mugs. What's the betting they pull them off the market tomorrow? Only about 30 will survive (if they ship mine).

    It'll be worth £40,000 by 2019.

    In 20 years time when the Labour Party are a bad memory used in tales to scare children, it could be worth a lot more than that.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    The word is that tonight's YouGov has....

    indicated that follicly challenged Bedford residents of an advantage vintage are showing a sharp swing to Ed Miliband in thread headers on Britain's greatest political website.

    :innocent:

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625
    TBF would prefer the Thatcher one to this one i like to call 3 mugs

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/581923267499425793/photo/1
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited March 2015
    Muggate latest...

    seems to be an excuse for OGH to tweet his favourite politics mugs from his personal portfolio...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,347
    Have i accidentally logged onto politicalmugs.com ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732

    twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/581923842995699712

    The holy trinity? Titters...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,625

    Muggate latest...

    seems to be an excuse for OGH to tweet his favourite politics mugs from his personal portfolio...

    The LAB 1997 one is pretty awful now the hell did they get a landslide with that mug
  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    edited March 2015

    Have i accidentally logged onto politicalmugs.com ?

    Only if you're a betting man :smile:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Dog whistle Politics from LAB

    https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/581910733040041985/photo/1

    Anyone know how to unregister to vote

    Funny its taken a Labour mug to bring out the loudest dog whistle in politics. It does rather miss the point about dog whistles. Blaming traffic jams on immigrants is a dog whistle.
    Shut it ting tong
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I love political commemoratives and have stuff going back to the great reform act campaigns pre-1832. They sort of seal a moment in time.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    SeanT said:

    Carnyx said:

    SeanT said:




    [snip]

    Oh FFS. I've been to Berwicka few times. It feels like a very northern English town proud of its Borders identity and Scots connections, but English nonetheless. I'd wager £100 most of the lads in the town support England at the football, that crucial test.

    But of course my data is anecdotal and as useless as yours. But the economic logic of independence (grim for the first decade at least) trumps all.

    To be fair, I wouldn't be surprised if you were right about Berwick, and especially the footie. But the discussion (and this is not in itself a criticism of your comments, but another issue altogether) does highlight what I have been coming to feel about the issue of the SNP in wider UK politics. Too much of the discussion in PB and elsewhere has assumed that the SNP is about indy, which is of course true in the long run. But I really don't think enough thought has been given to the implication of a party with the SNP's policies as an actor in wider UK politics in the short and medium term. This will be an interesting area to play out, in the event that the SNP hold the balance of power (and I think they will be a lot subtler than is currently being screamed on the pages of the DM and DT, though that's hardly difficult).

    All the same, it would have been interesting to see what happened if the SNP had put up a candidate there - it being a hard enough seat to call at the moment anyway.

    Anyway, goodnight, and belated congratulations on your book success - most impressive.

    Goodnight. And thanks for the kind remarks. You were always the wisest and most gracious of the pb Nats.

    I actually agree with you about indy. I don't believe Sturgeon will go for another referendum after 2016 (even if she gets a Holyrood majority - not by any means guaranteed). So really we should be talking about how a big new regional party impacts on Westminster - the same way the PQ impact on Ottawa and the Catalans in Madrid.

    As of now the Scots are well placed to have their autonomy cake, and eat the English cake, too.
    The SNP aren't stupid enough to forego another Indyref next Holyrood term. They know how much waiting for "the right moment" completely destroyed the Quebecois movement. They won't make the same mistake. they added 20pts in the two year campaign this time. They only need to add 6pts next time.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    SeanT said:
    The author of that article is permanently offended and quite nicely sums up the Labour party. Controls on immigration is not racist. Unless of course you want to classify the vast majority of countries as being racist.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    Katie Hopkins threatening to leave the country has got one or two of my facebook friends voting Labour - think they are Labour/Green potentials.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Pulpstar said:

    Katie Hopkins threatening to leave the country has got one or two of my facebook friends voting Labour - think they are Labour/Green potentials.

    It's enough to turn decent Tories, to be fair.

  • Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    I love political commemoratives and have stuff going back to the great reform act campaigns pre-1832. They sort of seal a moment in time.

    Not exactly political, but I had a plate celebrating the coronation of Edward VIII, worth quite a bit for obvious reasons. My wife dropped it while dusting.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Mike Smithson is certainly no mug ....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,654
    Apologies if this has been linked to before but it looks as in ElectionForecast has the tories with 3 seats in Scotland again. Interesting.

    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited March 2015
    MP_SE said:

    SeanT said:
    The author of that article is permanently offended and quite nicely sums up the Labour party. Controls on immigration is not racist. Unless of course you want to classify the vast majority of countries as being racist.
    Yup. That guy sums up what's gone wrong with Labour. Nothing to say at all about Labour endlessly giving into the Right on austerity (something where the public has left-wing views), yet kicking up a stink about being mildly more anti-immigration just because it offends his liberal sensibilities. The party's job is supposed to be to protect poor people, not to make a few London middle-class people feel morally "right on".
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,732
    DavidL said:

    Apologies if this has been linked to before but it looks as in ElectionForecast has the tories with 3 seats in Scotland again. Interesting.

    http://www.electionforecast.co.uk/

    Tripling the number of Scottish Tory MPs. Feel sorry for the pandas!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,145

    I love political commemoratives and have stuff going back to the great reform act campaigns pre-1832. They sort of seal a moment in time.

    How was it back in '32? :)
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