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I understand from those close to UKIP that the well-funded and well-organised Farage campaign is becoming a tad concerned about the personable Will Scobie, the former Mayor of Margate and local councillor who is standing for Labour.
Whatever about the price (and it does seem long but we had a poster on the ground slating Labour's chances recently) surely UKIP have an interest in talking up the other challenger in the hope of keeping the winning post as low as possible?
Despite the Tory lead in last night's YG, Lab retain their slight revival in the "part-ELBOW" for the 9 polls so far this week (with Opinium and the Sunday YG remaining). LDs also edging 8% for the first time in 4 weeks, but Greens lowest since mid-December. And UKIP scoring lowest since August (they've scored 14 or more every week up to this week):
Lab 33.8 Con 33.3 UKIP 13.6 LD 8.0 Green 5.7
Lab lead 0.5% (caveat: still awaiting Opinium and Sunday YG!) (cf. 0.0% w/e 15th Mar, 0.3% 8th Mar, 0.7% 1st Mar)
It's interesting that Jean-Claude Juncker has come out today to argue for more European integration, just a month or so before the UK general election. Is it possible that he's deliberately trying to boost UKIP in order to prevent the Conservatives coming in and renegotiating EU treaties?
Virtually nothing in the news about it but the Guardian's attempt to get Prince Charles' letters to ministers published is hotting up. The supreme court's judgement on whether the government acted illegally in blocking the letters is due next Thursday.
Admittedly it's the Guardian's own story but the government's defence for not publishing seems outrageous. I thought Dominic Grieve was one of the more sensible Tories but he basically seemed to be saying that publishing would threaten Charles' role as a future king so therefore the correspondence must remain private. Essentially the public must live in ignorance of who their future monarch is because if they knew who he was his position would be in jeopardy.
In a modern democratic nation that tries not to sensor information - unbelieveable.
It's interesting that Jean-Claude Juncker has come out today to argue for more European integration, just a month or so before the UK general election. Is it possible that he's deliberately trying to boost UKIP in order to prevent the Conservatives coming in and renegotiating EU treaties?
And to think of those days of 1997 where every celeb wanted to be seen as a Labour support...now even hardcore from died in the wool Labour supporting backgrounds are muttering discontent.
@asabenn: If you can't keep up with how many Ukip members have been suspended, bookmark this tumblr http://t.co/iWEVdWUNzV
@hugorifkind: In belated fairness to Cameron, when somebody gets suspended from UKIP, "fruitcake, loony or closet racist?" is still the question you ask.
It's interesting that Jean-Claude Juncker has come out today to argue for more European integration, just a month or so before the UK general election. Is it possible that he's deliberately trying to boost UKIP in order to prevent the Conservatives coming in and renegotiating EU treaties?
I think the minor business in Greece might be higher in his mind. The Eurozone either integrates, or (at least partially) disintegrates in response.
If this is true, why are UKIP blathering it to the person who writes Britain's most-read political blog?
OTOH it could be a cunning double-bluff...
UKIP have every interest in portraying this as a Labour/UKIP contest.
Yeah load of cobblers but waste your money if u like. Sort of cr*p gets pushed out by parties. Real msge is almost certain that ukip are behind the tories here so they want to make out lab best placed to beat them.
As said - cobblers.
more interesting's the populus poll. Said I had misgivings re the budget. If thats repeated at weekend then its a disaster for tories. Just don't think national debt repayment is a vote winner. People want £££ back in their pocket. We're all used to living with debt. We want to ease off the austerity. Yep you tories put us back in good shape but now's time to get a life.
@asabenn: If you can't keep up with how many Ukip members have been suspended, bookmark this tumblr http://t.co/iWEVdWUNzV
@hugorifkind: In belated fairness to Cameron, when somebody gets suspended from UKIP, "fruitcake, loony or closet racist?" is still the question you ask.
Seems difficulty handling an expense account might be added to that list.
Virtually nothing in the news about it but the Guardian's attempt to get Prince Charles' letters to ministers published is hotting up. The supreme court's judgement on whether the government acted illegally in blocking the letters is due next Thursday.
Admittedly it's the Guardian's own story but the government's defence for not publishing seems outrageous. I thought Dominic Grieve was one of the more sensible Tories but he basically seemed to be saying that publishing would threaten Charles' role as a future king so therefore the correspondence must remain private. Essentially the public must live in ignorance of who their future monarch is because if they knew who he was his position would be in jeopardy.
In a modern democratic nation that tries not to sensor information - unbelieveable.
If this happened in any other country, say Putin's Russia or China or North Korea - we would call it censorship.
If Prince Charles should not be brought into controversy then he should shut his gob and not enter into anything controversial.
Farage to quit before Year End is a decent hedge on UKIP here if you can get it at 11-4 or longer by the way, but I think this market has been pulled and if its up will be 5-2 at the most (Inverse of UKIP T South price)
If this is true, why are UKIP blathering it to the person who writes Britain's most-read political blog?
OTOH it could be a cunning double-bluff...
UKIP have every interest in portraying this as a Labour/UKIP contest.
Yeah load of cobblers but waste your money if u like. Sort of cr*p gets pushed out by parties. Real msge is almost certain that ukip are behind the tories here so they want to make out lab best placed to beat them.
As said - cobblers.
more interesting's the populus poll. Said I had misgivings re the budget. If thats repeated at weekend then its a disaster for tories. Just don't think national debt repayment is a vote winner. People want £££ back in their pocket. We're all used to living with debt. We want to ease off the austerity. Yep you tories put us back in good shape but now's time to get a life.
Virtually nothing in the news about it but the Guardian's attempt to get Prince Charles' letters to ministers published is hotting up. The supreme court's judgement on whether the government acted illegally in blocking the letters is due next Thursday.
Admittedly it's the Guardian's own story but the government's defence for not publishing seems outrageous. I thought Dominic Grieve was one of the more sensible Tories but he basically seemed to be saying that publishing would threaten Charles' role as a future king so therefore the correspondence must remain private. Essentially the public must live in ignorance of who their future monarch is because if they knew who he was his position would be in jeopardy.
In a modern democratic nation that tries not to sensor information - unbelieveable.
If this happened in any other country, say Putin's Russia or China or North Korea - we would call it censorship.
If Prince Charles should not be brought into controversy then he should shut his gob and not enter into anything controversial.
What is sauce for the goose...................
Guardian must think there is some really juicy stuff in there. Paul Staines has run quite a few stories about Charles having employees working on secondment in government and it not exactly all being above board.
Just a point...
"For 10 years, the government, with the support of Charles, has been resisting a freedom of information request by the Guardian to see the letters sent by the prince to ministers in which he sought to change policies."
So not exactly just the current government who have been doing this, but stupid of Grieve.
Was Cheryl Cole , pop strumpet and X-factor judge.
She should sell her house, pocket a huge profit [ tax free ] and buy a castle. If she has to live in London, then let out the castle and live in a rented property.
Was Cheryl Cole , pop strumpet and X-factor judge.
She should sell her house, pocket a huge profit [ tax free ] and buy a castle. If she has to live in London, then let out the castle and live in a rented property.
I'm not sure about the mansion tax. Firstly the name is a bit of a misnomer since the size and price of property are no longer that well correlated. I'd rather see extra councl tax bands and a land value tax of some kind.
@labourpress: Oh dear. The "How many hours is it since UKIP suspended a candidate?" clock has just been reset to zero: twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/578905705064898560
Is there a spread market on how many UKIP candidates will be left standing on the day?
It doesn't surprise me that all these Luuvies are spitting their dummies over Mansion tax tbh. Many, due to the business they are in, have had the advantage of being able to arrange their affairs to be as tax efficient as possible (very sensible IMO), but now somebody is going to whack them for a decent chunk of change based upon properties in London, which often aren't that super special.
Huge number in the entertainment and media, many would say opinion formers, are going to be hit for having a half decent house in a decent part of London. Where as for example they have been able to shield themselves from paying 50p tax, reduce their tax bill using perfect legal means like paying share dividends to family, and offset of expenses through their service companies.
Still a colossal under-round on Great Yarmouth by the way. My advice would be to back the Tories with Coral first up though at evens then take the silly 10-3 on UKIP.
Farage to quit before Year End is a decent hedge on UKIP here if you can get it at 11-4 or longer by the way, but I think this market has been pulled and if its up will be 5-2 at the most (Inverse of UKIP T South price)
A you sure you are are not 'confused' there? Anyway OGH seems to be shouting 'vote kipper get labour'.
Farage to quit before Year End is a decent hedge on UKIP here if you can get it at 11-4 or longer by the way, but I think this market has been pulled and if its up will be 5-2 at the most (Inverse of UKIP T South price)
A you sure you are are not 'confused' there? Anyway OGH seems to be shouting 'vote kipper get labour'.
At the previous election, Tory voters showed some reluctance to vote tactically, so unless attitudes are different this time around the Labour man in S Thanet cannot expect them to help him over the line.
Labour voters might be more inclined to vote tactically, but I suspect they would do so more to UKIP's benefit than the Tory candidate.
Interesting that the Sun journos being cleared is #1 story on BBC website...Mirror hacking trial, you have to really go hunting to find any mention of it, despite most days there being jaw dropping revelations about the extent of what the Mirror were up to.
It's interesting that Jean-Claude Juncker has come out today to argue for more European integration, just a month or so before the UK general election. Is it possible that he's deliberately trying to boost UKIP in order to prevent the Conservatives coming in and renegotiating EU treaties?
Private Eye reports that the UK has agreed to transfer wide-ranging powers over its energy markets to the EU Commission.
In return, the UK proposal to let EDF (i.e. Electricite de France) build a £16 billion nuke at Hinkley Point (subsidised by electriciy consumers) will not be taken to the Court of Justice for breaching state aid rules.
If I was a Euro-sceptic MP, I'd be outraged. It seems to give away a huge amount in exchange for a rather minor concession. DECC must have been desperate to save face.
Farage to quit before Year End is a decent hedge on UKIP here if you can get it at 11-4 or longer by the way, but I think this market has been pulled and if its up will be 5-2 at the most (Inverse of UKIP T South price)
A you sure you are are not 'confused' there? Anyway OGH seems to be shouting 'vote kipper get labour'.
What's confused you about that lot ?
Ah, I must stop my little jokes about Farage and UKIP. "I spoke to her [Ms Atkinson] after midnight and she said it was all to do with bills and fundraising. I was, frankly, confused by it all." (BBC)
Given that only 25 seats are priced for the SNP at 1/2 or shorter, there still seems to be value here if (like me) you believe there is a better than two in three chance that the SNP will get more than 25 seats. The Labour seats where the SNP are priced between 1/2 and 2/1 continue to look worthy of close scrutiny.
There are, however, only three Scottish seats where the SNP are priced at longer than 2/1: East Renfrewshire, Berwickshire Roxburgh & Selkirk and Orkney & Shetland.
There are now a huge number of bookies in the Scottish seat markets.
1) Labour has NOT ruled out a deal with the SNP. It has ruled out a coalition.
We seem to be facing the hilarious prospect of Labour begging the SNP not to support them!
It's important to understand that there doesn't need to be a deal to support a minority government, there only needs to be the absence of a majority to vote it down. In practice, in a hung parliament where Lab+SNP is over 325, I would expect the SNP to cause as much havoc as possible without actually voting against Labour in a confidence motion, at least for a while.
If this is true, why are UKIP blathering it to the person who writes Britain's most-read political blog?
OTOH it could be a cunning double-bluff...
UKIP have every interest in portraying this as a Labour/UKIP contest.
So have Labour
Yes, saying that you see your main opponent as the third placed party is a common ploy. Getting anti - UKIP voters to back the third placed party would help Farage.
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10-1 in what most of the polling has as a three-way marginal is an insane price.
OTOH it could be a cunning double-bluff...
Lab 33.8
Con 33.3
UKIP 13.6
LD 8.0
Green 5.7
Lab lead 0.5% (caveat: still awaiting Opinium and Sunday YG!)
(cf. 0.0% w/e 15th Mar, 0.3% 8th Mar, 0.7% 1st Mar)
You can buy labour on SPIN's spreads @ 5
That would give you an evens bet on them coming second & 4/1 on them winning.
Sounds to me like the value is on labour coming second - if you think it's a better than evens chance, then SPINS's bet is value.
Well, the first lady of England has spoken.
Its all over for ed now...
What could possibly go wrong?
They're holding their price at 5 though - that's despite them telling me I've reached my maximum position. They'll take bets from others but not me.
Virtually nothing in the news about it but the Guardian's attempt to get Prince Charles' letters to ministers published is hotting up. The supreme court's judgement on whether the government acted illegally in blocking the letters is due next Thursday.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/20/prince-charles-letters-supreme-court-judgment-due
Admittedly it's the Guardian's own story but the government's defence for not publishing seems outrageous. I thought Dominic Grieve was one of the more sensible Tories but he basically seemed to be saying that publishing would threaten Charles' role as a future king so therefore the correspondence must remain private. Essentially the public must live in ignorance of who their future monarch is because if they knew who he was his position would be in jeopardy.
In a modern democratic nation that tries not to sensor information - unbelieveable.
Price will come in now it's featured on here.
@hugorifkind: In belated fairness to Cameron, when somebody gets suspended from UKIP, "fruitcake, loony or closet racist?" is still the question you ask.
Lab -5.53
LD -313.53
UKIP +36.8
Fwiw
As said - cobblers.
more interesting's the populus poll. Said I had misgivings re the budget. If thats repeated at weekend then its a disaster for tories. Just don't think national debt repayment is a vote winner. People want £££ back in their pocket. We're all used to living with debt. We want to ease off the austerity. Yep you tories put us back in good shape but now's time to get a life.
If Prince Charles should not be brought into controversy then he should shut his gob and not enter into anything controversial.
What is sauce for the goose...................
Even money
Just a point...
"For 10 years, the government, with the support of Charles, has been resisting a freedom of information request by the Guardian to see the letters sent by the prince to ministers in which he sought to change policies."
So not exactly just the current government who have been doing this, but stupid of Grieve.
Neither is whiny Geordie catnip - but ...
* Very high maintenance for a dull ride.
First thing I see? Ad for farmers market! Every sat 10-2 at William Ellis school
"Twitter Tart" might be more accurate?
Is there a spread market on how many UKIP candidates will be left standing on the day?
Did the 2015 budget lose the tories the election?
Huge number in the entertainment and media, many would say opinion formers, are going to be hit for having a half decent house in a decent part of London. Where as for example they have been able to shield themselves from paying 50p tax, reduce their tax bill using perfect legal means like paying share dividends to family, and offset of expenses through their service companies.
9-2 Labour is ok as well.
Anyway OGH seems to be shouting 'vote kipper get labour'.
At the previous election, Tory voters showed some reluctance to vote tactically, so unless attitudes are different this time around the Labour man in S Thanet cannot expect them to help him over the line.
Labour voters might be more inclined to vote tactically, but I suspect they would do so more to UKIP's benefit than the Tory candidate.
Nigel is safe.
In return, the UK proposal to let EDF (i.e. Electricite de France) build a £16 billion nuke at Hinkley Point (subsidised by electriciy consumers) will not be taken to the Court of Justice for breaching state aid rules.
If I was a Euro-sceptic MP, I'd be outraged. It seems to give away a huge amount in exchange for a rather minor concession. DECC must have been desperate to save face.
Courage man - and shuffle the cards !
What has Ed to say about this attack on Democracy?
Probably as much as he has to say about phone hacking at the Mirror.
**tumbleweed**
is today the day we see 7,000?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bygi8eZw-4q1dVo4dE5YRjdtOWs/view?usp=sharing
Given that only 25 seats are priced for the SNP at 1/2 or shorter, there still seems to be value here if (like me) you believe there is a better than two in three chance that the SNP will get more than 25 seats. The Labour seats where the SNP are priced between 1/2 and 2/1 continue to look worthy of close scrutiny.
There are, however, only three Scottish seats where the SNP are priced at longer than 2/1: East Renfrewshire, Berwickshire Roxburgh & Selkirk and Orkney & Shetland.
There are now a huge number of bookies in the Scottish seat markets.
Mr. Voter, that sounds bloody ridiculous.
1) Labour has NOT ruled out a deal with the SNP. It has ruled out a coalition.
2) It is such a tight range that SDLP gets Lab + Lib Dem over the line, rather than Lab + Lib Dem.
3) Even if the SDLP join up with the Lib Dems and Labour they are surely odds against to have a ministrable position.
4) Greens have ruled out a coalition.
5) PC have ruled out a coalition by proxy, they can be included in the SNP minority Lab support bloc.
6) The DUP aren't interested in being in Gov't, at all. It is apple pie for NI in return for minority support for them.
Not tempted by 7.0 at all.
Also Labour could possibly get the support of both the DUP and SDLP as minority supporters - that won't happen if the SDLP is in Gov't.
Farage delivers another seat to Miliband.
Oh deep joy. Not.
"Sorely tempted to change my username to Pop Strumpet now"
Pop tart.
That's when the rhetoric meets the cold hard mathematical reality.
It's important to understand that there doesn't need to be a deal to support a minority government, there only needs to be the absence of a majority to vote it down. In practice, in a hung parliament where Lab+SNP is over 325, I would expect the SNP to cause as much havoc as possible without actually voting against Labour in a confidence motion, at least for a while.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11484756/Model-railways-showed-an-idealised-England-until-sexy-scenes-came-along.html
Unfortunately the "Any other Gov't" at 5000-1 is actually "Any other majority" with Corals.
Cheryl Sol and Mylene.
And what an articulate trio "I pay a f—ing lot of tax. So I think that I need to have a really well-informed, well-educated opinion.” said Cheryl
As Sting was heard to mumble "You can take the girl out of Newcastle but you can't take Newcastle out of the girl"
The gag is that Ms F-V is anything but a pop strumpet. Her husband's very high profile cheating clearly affected her very deeply, and still does.