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edited March 2015 in General

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CORRECTION
CON jump 5 to draw level with LAB in today's Populus poll
Lab 34 (+2), Con 34 (+5), LD 8 (-), UKIP 15 (-3), Greens 5 (-1),

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,358
    FPT:
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859
    edited March 2015
    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    People still quite like the Lib Dems then?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,358
    Artist said:

    People still quite like the Lib Dems then?

    But it's the broken sleazy Greens on the slide!
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    RogerRoger Posts: 18,892
    Looking at those figures Labour should be romping home. Maybe it'll show up nearer polling day.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    The same thought struck me.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    Fpt



    Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.

    Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,129
    Sporting Index flashing up in the header - Green Seats range 1.2 - 1.8

    Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    Sporting Index flashing up in the header - Green Seats range 1.2 - 1.8

    Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?

    Yes, but depending on whether you buy or sell you win 0.2 or lose 0.8
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723

    Fpt



    Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.

    Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
    None so blind....
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941

    Sporting Index flashing up in the header - Green Seats range 1.2 - 1.8

    Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?

    It's "No bet" is what it is :P
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Roger said:

    Looking at those figures Labour should be romping home. Maybe it'll show up nearer polling day.

    Roger, you called if for Labour, that's excellent news, you are never knowingly right .

    How's those shares of yours and your second home????/... How many kitchens do you have.. Labour luvvies who try to pretend they are just regular ordinary man of the people guys seem to acquire them and lots of money?

    How much do you think that ED "man of the people" 's total worth is now he is married, their net joint income and how many kitchens all told..


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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,025

    Sporting Index flashing up in the header - Green Seats range 1.2 - 1.8

    Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?

    Uh no, that's absolutely correct.

    If you buy at £10 a seat and they get 1, you lost £8. If they get 2, you win £2.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    Wow, accurate to 2 decimal places ;-)
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859

    Fpt



    Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.

    Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
    We can move on to the 'not prominent enough' argument them. That one is usually much more likely to be valid, as it is more open to interpretation.
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    Marcus01Marcus01 Posts: 42
    The public seem to want Conservative leadership but with a Labour House of Commons, and it increasingly looks like they might get their wish.

    We will get 5 years of what the French call 'Co Habitation' and the Americans term a lame duck presidency. It will be political paralysis with the Government blocked from making any serious policy changes and an orgy of pointless political game-playing to fill the vacuum.

    Good. There is far too much law anyway.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Shock news, Poyet sacked

    Was he dumped .... on?
    I don't think Mark Oaten had anything to do with this story.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    So... with Ed Milliband today making his (non) announcement how do we think Ed Balls feels after declining to answer question on coalition with SNP in excess of 10 times yesterday?

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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could. I think most lefties still harbour a basic anti-Con mentality, which will see many of them voting for whoever is best placed to defeat the Tory, so long as that's not UKIP.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews

    So everyone is happy. Labour and the SNP will definitely work together to prevent the scourge of Torydom, while pretending they don't want to work together, their votes can be happy they are not letting the Tories in while not 'betraying' anyone by getting SNP Ministers/being tainted by Westminster respectively.

    The Tories meanwhile get a chance to tear themselves apart after Cameron is ousted while not being torn to pieces in the ratings as they get a boost from the few people who don't like the SNP and Labour working together to stop them, allowing the new leadership to bemoan how if only Cameron had listened to the right he would surely have won a majority.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,129
    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews

    Images of Ed Miliband trying to shake her free. "Get off me, woman....I don't fancy you, alright?"

    And under his breathe to her "The bloody wife can see us!"
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Well, Ed has shut down that one then...

    @SophyRidgeSky: Miliband says he won't get into how other parties may or not vote after election, when I ask if he'll rule out confidence & supply with SNP

    or not.
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Fpt



    Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.

    Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
    Oh and this page must be hidden for you too “Race should be discussed, Trevor Phillips says”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31904118
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,723
    Marcus01 said:

    The public seem to want Conservative leadership but with a Labour House of Commons, and it increasingly looks like they might get their wish.

    We will get 5 years of what the French call 'Co Habitation' and the Americans term a lame duck presidency. It will be political paralysis with the Government blocked from making any serious policy changes and an orgy of pointless political game-playing to fill the vacuum.

    Good. There is far too much law anyway.

    The difference is in the systems, US and France have Presidents as well Congress/National Assembly, whereas we just have the HoC.
    We could have a parliament where there is less change for the sake of dogma or to undo the other guy's changes. Change only when approved by cross bench majorities. Doesn't sound that bad actually.
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    richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    It seems to be official...EdM has totally given up on Scotland and would go into partnership with the Party the whupped him
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,129
    rcs1000 said:

    Sporting Index flashing up in the header - Green Seats range 1.2 - 1.8

    Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?

    Uh no, that's absolutely correct.

    If you buy at £10 a seat and they get 1, you lost £8. If they get 2, you win £2.
    Thanks, understand it now.

    It won't be troubling the barge pole....

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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Scott_P said:

    @chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews

    Images of Ed Miliband trying to shake her free. "Get off me, woman....I don't fancy you, alright?"

    And under his breathe to her "The bloody wife can see us!"
    At least the women in his life won't have to share kitchens..
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited March 2015
    My bet of the week this time doesn't relate to the forthcoming GE at all as such, but rather to the most political speech of the entire five year parliament.

    I refer of course to tomorrow's Budget statement and specifically to the colour of George Osborne's tie, which surely simply HAS to be BLUE.
    There's a huge disparity in the odds between the four bookies covering this market -
    Betfred go 4/7, Hills offer 8/15, Laddies are evens, whilst those nice people at Betfair Sportsbook are prepared to pay a whopping 2/1. Don't hang about as this price isn't going to last long.
    DYOR (if you really must!)
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited March 2015
    Just to prove I am not ungrateful for betting advice, thank you to the person who advised Harry Kane as a bet for first goalscorer vs Man Utd

    I noted the source of the tip and bet accordingly both on FGS and anytime scorer

    Harry Kane 7.69 1,434.07 Lay
    Harry Kane 3.02 976.63 Lay
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Latest ARSE with added APLOMB 2015 General Election & "JackW Dozen" Projection Countdown :

    1,111 minutes
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    edited March 2015

    My bet of the week this time doesn't relate to the forthcoming GE at all as such, but rather to the most political speech of the entire five year parliament.

    I refer of course to tomorrow's Budget statement and specifically to the colour of George Osborne's tie, which surely simply HAS to be BLUE.
    There's a huge disparity in the odds between the four bookies covering this market -
    Betfred go 4/7, Hills offer 8/15, Laddies are evens, whilst those nice people at Betfair Sportsbook are prepared to pay a whopping 2/1. Don't hang about as this price isn't going to last long.
    DYOR (if you really must!)

    Thanks for the free £2.50

    A whopping £1.25 max stake on Blue 2-1.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

    Fair enough. Tbh. I think being liked is not really terribly relevant to the way the actual votes pan out. People vote Tory not so much because they like or love the party, but because they think they're competent. In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals - a bit like cod liver oil, perhaps?
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @BBCNormanS: Scottish Labour leader @jimmurphymp says Scots will punish @thesnp if they brought down a Labour Govt
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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,701
    So, Populus, OTHERS -3 (presuming no rounding errors), from 7% to 4%?
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited March 2015
    People like the Lib Dems and even like Nick Clegg.

    What Labour, UKIP, Green and SNP supporters don't like is the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives. Even the Lib Dems and some Conservatives don't like the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives.

    Such people may change their minds when they see the chaos created with a minority government and no party prepared to vote to cut government spending.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Betfair Blue tie into 5-4, max stake for me on this new price £0.00
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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Afternoon all and I see Malcolm is being his usual charming, inoffensive self.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

    In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
    One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNormanS: Scottish Labour leader @jimmurphymp says Scots will punish @thesnp if they brought down a Labour Govt

    If I were a SNP voter, that would double my resolve to vote for them.

    Contemptible comment by Murphy.
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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I see Populus Scottish subsample has SNP 47 Labour 19, Tory 17, Lib 10. The great Murphy revival continues for all to see.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNormanS: Scottish Labour leader @jimmurphymp says Scots will punish @thesnp if they brought down a Labour Govt

    Even if the SNP have 50 MPs it is not enough tp bring down a Labour government. Only the Conservatives could do that.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    @peter_from_putney - Good spot!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941

    So, Populus, OTHERS -3 (presuming no rounding errors), from 7% to 4%?

    Labour 33.52%.
    Conservative 33.52%
    UKIP 14.86%
    Lib Dems 8.08%
    SNP 4.76%
    Greens 4.52%
    Others 0.32%
    PC 0.24%
    BNP 0.24%

    Which means that "Others" as you've defined it is 5.5% exactly.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @mattholehouse: Sturgeon: "This was a lot of hype to rule out something noone was proposing. Miliband's statement is absolutely fine from our point of view.

    Just the endorsement Ed was looking for...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941

    @peter_from_putney - Good spot!

    Yes but can anyone get on for more than £1.25.

    I'm on the Betfair naughty list :)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    chestnut said:

    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNormanS: Scottish Labour leader @jimmurphymp says Scots will punish @thesnp if they brought down a Labour Govt

    If I were a SNP voter, that would double my resolve to vote for them.

    Contemptible comment by Murphy.
    It's an amazing comment that works for the SNP on so many levels.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Scott_P said:

    @BBCNormanS: Scottish Labour leader @jimmurphymp says Scots will punish @thesnp if they brought down a Labour Govt

    not much arrogance and sense of entitlement on show there then :-)
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GdnPolitics: Tories hold narrow lead ahead of general election in latest ICM/Guardian poll http://t.co/5TJW1J633g
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

    In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
    One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
    A lot of politics is about trust.

    People are not going to be so sure about an idea that they won't be swayed if they find out it is proposed by someone they don't trust.

    I actually think that is a reasonably rational way to react, given that you are asking people to make judgements in the absence of perfect information. It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust, as the success of various confidence tricksters, and the failures of many relationships, serves to demonstrate.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.
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    ArtistArtist Posts: 1,882
    The Greens falling again. UKIP still on 9% is surprising.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Lib Dems 8% is an utter how can I put this beyond horror show for them with ICM.
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    Labour up 3. It's the crucial two-kitchen demographic making its presence felt.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981
    edited March 2015

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

    In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
    One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
    A lot of politics is about trust.

    People are not going to be so sure about an idea that they won't be swayed if they find out it is proposed by someone they don't trust.

    I actually think that is a reasonably rational way to react, given that you are asking people to make judgements in the absence of perfect information. It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust, as the success of various confidence tricksters, and the failures of many relationships, serves to demonstrate.
    How true that rings for Nick of west Sheffield.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Artist said:

    UKIP still on 9% is surprising.

    Pre Farage book though...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    edited March 2015
    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
    Some of it'll be due to roundings. Wondering if the SNP will be close to Lib Dems in respondents though, could be ahead...
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    EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Tories retain a 1% lead over Labour with ICM as Libs and Greens go backwards
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
    Some of it'll be due to roundings. Wondering if the SNP will be close to Lib Dems in respondents though, could be ahead...
    What % of the vote is Scotland?
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    ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 4,981

    Tories retain a 1% lead over Labour with ICM as Libs and Greens go backwards

    Retain in the sense of fall from 4% to 1%?
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    Yes, that's why UKIP 9% with ICM is no worry for them at all whereas Lib Dem 8% is utterly appalling.
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,859
    edited March 2015

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.

    But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
    I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.

    18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.

    In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
    One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
    It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust
    Quite, or even who others really are or what they stand for. It may be that x deserves someone's trust if their current politics is y, but in reality that is just how the brand is perceived and their politics is more like z. But a lot of people are not going to pick up on that, instead going with where they think a party is, or are like, that what they really are like.

    Taking it back to Ed M and Labour ratings, that's where it gets silly for me, because people are saying they trust Labour and like Labour a lot, but they don't like Ed M, so what they think is that Ed M will have no or negligible impact on what Labour is or does, which seems unlikely even if he were as weak as people think.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
    Scott_P said:

    @mattholehouse: Sturgeon: "This was a lot of hype to rule out something noone was proposing. Miliband's statement is absolutely fine from our point of view.

    Just the endorsement Ed was looking for...

    Yet again Ed thinks long and hard - comes up with what he thinks is a cunning set of words - which end up in even more ridicule.

    Southam and Henry Mason were right about Ed from the off.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,351
    Another poll showing a virtual tie - we can probably agree that both the previous ICM and the previous Populus were probably outliers.

    I do think it's striking that 52% say they "like the Labour Party". I wouldn't have expected that most people these days would feel emotionally attached to any party.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,358
    Ashcroft due at 4pm...
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
    Some of it'll be due to roundings. Wondering if the SNP will be close to Lib Dems in respondents though, could be ahead...
    What % of the vote is Scotland?
    8
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    MikeK said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
    Damn biased pollsters !
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    OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    It's awful. A 25 year low, just as with the February Ipsos Mori poll. Having serious doubts as to whether they will reach 10% in national vote share now.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Conservatives 1% ahead of Labour with ICM is quite good for Labour whereas Cons level with labour in Populus is good news for Conservative.

    #Expectationsmanagement
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    edited March 2015
    That makes 9 leads apiece for the Conservatives and Labour, for March.

    Among telephone polling companies, it's 8 Conservative leads to 5 Labour, since the start of the year.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,358
    edited March 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    It's awful. A 25 year low, just as with the February Ipsos Mori poll. Having serious doubts as to whether they will reach 10% in national vote share now.
    Nonsense! Nick only at the weekend said that the LibDems "are here to stay"! Not sure if he's "turning up the volume" though :)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    edited March 2015
    Not too late for the Lib Dems to ditch Clegg, though I doubt Farron wants to take them into the GE.

    Bst let Clegg take the tar and feathers.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,855
    Pulpstar said:

    Not too late for the Lib Dems to ditch Clegg, though I doubt Farron wants to take them into the GE.

    Bst let Clegg take the tar and feathers.

    Lembit for Leader.
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    roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    Wow, what a positive percentage for Labour. The figure of 52% favourability is very impressive , Ed Miliband was equally impressive on the Free Speech programme, bodes well for debates.
    Grant Schapps needs to resign quickly if he is not to damage his party, how could he have carried on sustaining his lie for so long.It appears very dishonourable indeed.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited March 2015
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    MikeK said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
    Damn biased pollsters !
    I wouldn't say any pollster is biased, and as that is a banning offence on here I'd like you to retract that insinuation if you would?

    But weighting UKIP and the Lib Dems to their 2010 result is nonsense in my opinion
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    With just seven and a half weeks to go until the GE, it would be handy if ICM as the Gold Standard were to produce weekly polls from hereon.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
    Some of it'll be due to roundings. Wondering if the SNP will be close to Lib Dems in respondents though, could be ahead...
    What % of the vote is Scotland?
    8
    Quite difficult to see "others" on 8 then... English Democrat surge?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    a bit like cod liver oil, perhaps?

    Only old people like cod liver oil...

    ;-)
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    isam said:

    Scott_P said:

    The Tories are unchanged on 36%, with Labour on 35% – while both Liberal Democrat and Green support has fallen away from recent surveys.

    How can others be on 8%?
    Some of it'll be due to roundings. Wondering if the SNP will be close to Lib Dems in respondents though, could be ahead...
    What % of the vote is Scotland?
    8
    Quite difficult to see "others" on 8 then... English Democrat surge?
    Some of it will be due to roundings but it indicates an SNP score near to 50% in Scotland.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    MikeK said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
    Damn biased pollsters !
    I wouldn't say any pollster is biased, and as that is a banning offence on here I'd like you to retract that insinuation if you would?

    But weighting UKIP and the Lib Dems to their 2010 result is nonsense in my opinion
    If that 9 had been a 15 we wouldn't be having this conversation. ICM did well last time.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941

    With just seven and a half weeks to go until the GE, it would be handy if ICM as the Gold Standard were to produce weekly polls from hereon.

    Also wish ICM would up their sample size, they have the largest MoE of all the pollsters.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Pulpstar said:

    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?

    Absolutely not.

    The SNP are at their absolute max in the polls whereas even with the LibDems at 8% the yellow peril will outpoll the SNP almost 2:1

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    JackW said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?

    Absolutely not.

    The SNP are at their absolute max in the polls whereas even with the LibDems at 8% the yellow peril will outpoll the SNP almost 2:1

    I meant it as a question - obviously it isn't odds on, which my text could have implied. It's 100-1 maybe.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    MikeK said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
    Damn biased pollsters !
    I wouldn't say any pollster is biased, and as that is a banning offence on here I'd like you to retract that insinuation if you would?

    But weighting UKIP and the Lib Dems to their 2010 result is nonsense in my opinion
    If that 9 had been a 15 we wouldn't be having this conversation. ICM did well last time.
    What a ridiculous thing to say! The reason it isn't nearer to 15 is because they weight to 2010 vote, which seems a bit stale to me.

    But you have a meme to push, for your own sanity no doubt, press on

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    bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 7,701
    Pulpstar said:

    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?

    The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,873
    Afternoon all :)

    Still huge volatility - UKIP at 15% with Populus and just 9% with ICM. The duopoly has 71% which is notably higher than with other pollsters.

    It's a fair poll for the Conservatives (their highest score with any pollster) and a decent poll for Labour but where can either side go from here if the LDs, UKIP and the rest are down to near core numbers ?

    I think this is as high as either Conservative or Labour can go - the question then becomes whether both can hold this high share over the next few weeks.

    It is a poor poll for the LDs - no question. Whether it's an outlier for them and UKIP given the high numbers for the duopoly remains to be seen.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,336
    Very mixed ICM for the Tories. On the one hand to hold 36% is very impressive suggesting that their share of the vote might even go up in May. On the other Labour are right on their tails and going to gain a shedload of seats to offset the disaster in Scotland.

    This is heading for a serious guddle, probably with Labour as the largest party but it is going to be too close to form a credible government with.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941

    Pulpstar said:

    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?

    The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
    Greens and SNP to run close, but I think the Greens will get more votes.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,952
    edited March 2015

    Pulpstar said:

    Odds on SNP to get more votes than the Lib Dems ?

    The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
    Well they are standing in about 500 less constituencies, its not really the fault of FPTP
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    roserees64roserees64 Posts: 251
    £780 million given last week to private health companies to operate in the NHS, while sevices have endured 4 years of cuts.How many more fire sales will there be before the next election?
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    TGOHF said:

    isam said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.

    Weighting to 2010 vote is like weighting Harry Kane's goals to his 2013/14 ratio
    MikeK said:

    FPT:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:

    What are the chances of all 4 polls coming out today showing a tory lead

    If I was a layer - I be offering 3/1
    To be a player - I would want 5/1

    Zero?
    Wasn't Populus a draw?
    Yes down to the last 0.00%.

    33.52% each.
    YouGov/Sunday Times spoilt a potential Lab/Con ELBOW lead of 0.00% yesterday! (ended up 0.01% Tory lead!)
    So there was in fact crossover last week :) ?
    1 extra Tory respondent in YouGov was all it took!

    Final weekly ELBOW tallies:

    4,348 Con =33.17%
    4,347 Lab =33.16%
    1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
    969 LD = 7.39%
    744 Green = 5.68%
    Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
    It's all Crystal Ball gazing.
    In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do. ;)
    Damn biased pollsters !
    I wouldn't say any pollster is biased, and as that is a banning offence on here I'd like you to retract that insinuation if you would?

    But weighting UKIP and the Lib Dems to their 2010 result is nonsense in my opinion
    If that 9 had been a 15 we wouldn't be having this conversation. ICM did well last time.
    What a ridiculous thing to say! The reason it isn't nearer to 15 is because they weight to 2010 vote, which seems a bit stale to me.

    But you have a meme to push, for your own sanity no doubt, press on

    Oooh handbag.
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    timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    The remaining rump of the LibDems are putting in a concerted effort though..
    Here in Sutton where they have Brake and Burstow as MPs they have through the LD phonebank machine rung the whole constituency twice already.
    Sutton and Cheam which is a target 40/40 seat is getting visits from cabinet ministers galore by the Tories and there is a real Stalingrad feel to the fight on the street. In C&W its much more low key with most pundits expecting a comfortable win for Brake.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    DavidL said:

    Very mixed ICM for the Tories. On the one hand to hold 36% is very impressive suggesting that their share of the vote might even go up in May. On the other Labour are right on their tails and going to gain a shedload of seats to offset the disaster in Scotland.

    This is heading for a serious guddle, probably with Labour as the largest party but it is going to be too close to form a credible government with.

    I'd be surprised if Labour aren't ahead before spiral of silence with this poll. THe "Others 8%" points to a large SNP score too, of which the flipside if that the 1.5% of votes Labour has lost in Scotland must therefore be coming back in England.

    It suggests that the Conservatives could have a bad night in England, but its all too close to call and all to play for.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,941
    edited March 2015
    timmo said:

    The remaining rump of the LibDems are putting in a concerted effort though..
    Here in Sutton where they have Brake and Burstow as MPs they have through the LD phonebank machine rung the whole constituency twice already.
    Sutton and Cheam which is a target 40/40 seat is getting visits from cabinet ministers galore by the Tories and there is a real Stalingrad feel to the fight on the street. In C&W its much more low key with most pundits expecting a comfortable win for Brake.

    Sutton and Cheam and Carshalton and Wellington will be held even if the Lib Dems go sub 15 seats or so. Probably sub 10
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