I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.
Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.
Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
Looking at those figures Labour should be romping home. Maybe it'll show up nearer polling day.
Roger, you called if for Labour, that's excellent news, you are never knowingly right .
How's those shares of yours and your second home????/... How many kitchens do you have.. Labour luvvies who try to pretend they are just regular ordinary man of the people guys seem to acquire them and lots of money?
How much do you think that ED "man of the people" 's total worth is now he is married, their net joint income and how many kitchens all told..
Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.
Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
We can move on to the 'not prominent enough' argument them. That one is usually much more likely to be valid, as it is more open to interpretation.
The public seem to want Conservative leadership but with a Labour House of Commons, and it increasingly looks like they might get their wish.
We will get 5 years of what the French call 'Co Habitation' and the Americans term a lame duck presidency. It will be political paralysis with the Government blocked from making any serious policy changes and an orgy of pointless political game-playing to fill the vacuum.
@chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews
So... with Ed Milliband today making his (non) announcement how do we think Ed Balls feels after declining to answer question on coalition with SNP in excess of 10 times yesterday?
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could. I think most lefties still harbour a basic anti-Con mentality, which will see many of them voting for whoever is best placed to defeat the Tory, so long as that's not UKIP.
@chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews
So everyone is happy. Labour and the SNP will definitely work together to prevent the scourge of Torydom, while pretending they don't want to work together, their votes can be happy they are not letting the Tories in while not 'betraying' anyone by getting SNP Ministers/being tainted by Westminster respectively.
The Tories meanwhile get a chance to tear themselves apart after Cameron is ousted while not being torn to pieces in the ratings as they get a boost from the few people who don't like the SNP and Labour working together to stop them, allowing the new leadership to bemoan how if only Cameron had listened to the right he would surely have won a majority.
@chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews
Images of Ed Miliband trying to shake her free. "Get off me, woman....I don't fancy you, alright?"
And under his breathe to her "The bloody wife can see us!"
@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband says he won't get into how other parties may or not vote after election, when I ask if he'll rule out confidence & supply with SNP
Only today we have Trevor Philips also saying some uncomfortable things for your average Beeboid about race, and of course not a mention on the BBC website.
Funny how you can't see a mention of it given that he was on R4 this morning and how I can see a link to the video of that interview on the BBC Politics Live page, both in Live Reporting and Key Video sections, and that there's a link to the video on the main News page.
The public seem to want Conservative leadership but with a Labour House of Commons, and it increasingly looks like they might get their wish.
We will get 5 years of what the French call 'Co Habitation' and the Americans term a lame duck presidency. It will be political paralysis with the Government blocked from making any serious policy changes and an orgy of pointless political game-playing to fill the vacuum.
Good. There is far too much law anyway.
The difference is in the systems, US and France have Presidents as well Congress/National Assembly, whereas we just have the HoC. We could have a parliament where there is less change for the sake of dogma or to undo the other guy's changes. Change only when approved by cross bench majorities. Doesn't sound that bad actually.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
@chrisshipitv: Sturgeon reacting to Miliband: we never wanted coalition anyhow. This doesnt change SNP/Labour having working relationship post May @itvnews
Images of Ed Miliband trying to shake her free. "Get off me, woman....I don't fancy you, alright?"
And under his breathe to her "The bloody wife can see us!"
At least the women in his life won't have to share kitchens..
My bet of the week this time doesn't relate to the forthcoming GE at all as such, but rather to the most political speech of the entire five year parliament.
I refer of course to tomorrow's Budget statement and specifically to the colour of George Osborne's tie, which surely simply HAS to be BLUE. There's a huge disparity in the odds between the four bookies covering this market - Betfred go 4/7, Hills offer 8/15, Laddies are evens, whilst those nice people at Betfair Sportsbook are prepared to pay a whopping 2/1. Don't hang about as this price isn't going to last long. DYOR (if you really must!)
My bet of the week this time doesn't relate to the forthcoming GE at all as such, but rather to the most political speech of the entire five year parliament.
I refer of course to tomorrow's Budget statement and specifically to the colour of George Osborne's tie, which surely simply HAS to be BLUE. There's a huge disparity in the odds between the four bookies covering this market - Betfred go 4/7, Hills offer 8/15, Laddies are evens, whilst those nice people at Betfair Sportsbook are prepared to pay a whopping 2/1. Don't hang about as this price isn't going to last long. DYOR (if you really must!)
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
Fair enough. Tbh. I think being liked is not really terribly relevant to the way the actual votes pan out. People vote Tory not so much because they like or love the party, but because they think they're competent. In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals - a bit like cod liver oil, perhaps?
People like the Lib Dems and even like Nick Clegg.
What Labour, UKIP, Green and SNP supporters don't like is the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives. Even the Lib Dems and some Conservatives don't like the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives.
Such people may change their minds when they see the chaos created with a minority government and no party prepared to vote to cut government spending.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
@mattholehouse: Sturgeon: "This was a lot of hype to rule out something noone was proposing. Miliband's statement is absolutely fine from our point of view.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
A lot of politics is about trust.
People are not going to be so sure about an idea that they won't be swayed if they find out it is proposed by someone they don't trust.
I actually think that is a reasonably rational way to react, given that you are asking people to make judgements in the absence of perfect information. It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust, as the success of various confidence tricksters, and the failures of many relationships, serves to demonstrate.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
A lot of politics is about trust.
People are not going to be so sure about an idea that they won't be swayed if they find out it is proposed by someone they don't trust.
I actually think that is a reasonably rational way to react, given that you are asking people to make judgements in the absence of perfect information. It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust, as the success of various confidence tricksters, and the failures of many relationships, serves to demonstrate.
I can't believe that LD score. They would not have dropped so much even with the Clegg drag and with those who hate them really hating them, if that many people still viewed them positively.
But 'like' does not mean will vote for - more that potentially they could.
I don't believe that either. They've just dropped too far in the voting intentions for me to buy that there is such a large potentiality of people who still like them and might consider voting for them if needed.
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
In fact, it's possible to envisage people who don't like the tories personally ( what a nasty man that George Osborne is etc) voting for them because they think they'll make a better job of governing than their rivals
One can hope (personal tastes may differ on which is most competent of course). In my more cynical moments my fear is people tend to vote with their guts on who they think they should be voting for, regardless of whether their image of that party bears much relation to its actuality, hence how you can often ask people if they support an idea, then get a different reaction if they know who it is coming from.
It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust
Quite, or even who others really are or what they stand for. It may be that x deserves someone's trust if their current politics is y, but in reality that is just how the brand is perceived and their politics is more like z. But a lot of people are not going to pick up on that, instead going with where they think a party is, or are like, that what they really are like.
Taking it back to Ed M and Labour ratings, that's where it gets silly for me, because people are saying they trust Labour and like Labour a lot, but they don't like Ed M, so what they think is that Ed M will have no or negligible impact on what Labour is or does, which seems unlikely even if he were as weak as people think.
@mattholehouse: Sturgeon: "This was a lot of hype to rule out something noone was proposing. Miliband's statement is absolutely fine from our point of view.
Just the endorsement Ed was looking for...
Yet again Ed thinks long and hard - comes up with what he thinks is a cunning set of words - which end up in even more ridicule.
Southam and Henry Mason were right about Ed from the off.
Another poll showing a virtual tie - we can probably agree that both the previous ICM and the previous Populus were probably outliers.
I do think it's striking that 52% say they "like the Labour Party". I wouldn't have expected that most people these days would feel emotionally attached to any party.
Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.
It's awful. A 25 year low, just as with the February Ipsos Mori poll. Having serious doubts as to whether they will reach 10% in national vote share now.
Lib Dems on 8% with ICM is like being on 5 or 6% with other opinion pollsters.
It's awful. A 25 year low, just as with the February Ipsos Mori poll. Having serious doubts as to whether they will reach 10% in national vote share now.
Nonsense! Nick only at the weekend said that the LibDems "are here to stay"! Not sure if he's "turning up the volume" though
Wow, what a positive percentage for Labour. The figure of 52% favourability is very impressive , Ed Miliband was equally impressive on the Free Speech programme, bodes well for debates. Grant Schapps needs to resign quickly if he is not to damage his party, how could he have carried on sustaining his lie for so long.It appears very dishonourable indeed.
The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
Still huge volatility - UKIP at 15% with Populus and just 9% with ICM. The duopoly has 71% which is notably higher than with other pollsters.
It's a fair poll for the Conservatives (their highest score with any pollster) and a decent poll for Labour but where can either side go from here if the LDs, UKIP and the rest are down to near core numbers ?
I think this is as high as either Conservative or Labour can go - the question then becomes whether both can hold this high share over the next few weeks.
It is a poor poll for the LDs - no question. Whether it's an outlier for them and UKIP given the high numbers for the duopoly remains to be seen.
Very mixed ICM for the Tories. On the one hand to hold 36% is very impressive suggesting that their share of the vote might even go up in May. On the other Labour are right on their tails and going to gain a shedload of seats to offset the disaster in Scotland.
This is heading for a serious guddle, probably with Labour as the largest party but it is going to be too close to form a credible government with.
The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
Greens and SNP to run close, but I think the Greens will get more votes.
The more interesting comparison is Greens vs. SNP. Could be about equal on votes, while the SNP get 50 times as many seats. Ah, the delights of FPTP...
Well they are standing in about 500 less constituencies, its not really the fault of FPTP
£780 million given last week to private health companies to operate in the NHS, while sevices have endured 4 years of cuts.How many more fire sales will there be before the next election?
The remaining rump of the LibDems are putting in a concerted effort though.. Here in Sutton where they have Brake and Burstow as MPs they have through the LD phonebank machine rung the whole constituency twice already. Sutton and Cheam which is a target 40/40 seat is getting visits from cabinet ministers galore by the Tories and there is a real Stalingrad feel to the fight on the street. In C&W its much more low key with most pundits expecting a comfortable win for Brake.
Very mixed ICM for the Tories. On the one hand to hold 36% is very impressive suggesting that their share of the vote might even go up in May. On the other Labour are right on their tails and going to gain a shedload of seats to offset the disaster in Scotland.
This is heading for a serious guddle, probably with Labour as the largest party but it is going to be too close to form a credible government with.
I'd be surprised if Labour aren't ahead before spiral of silence with this poll. THe "Others 8%" points to a large SNP score too, of which the flipside if that the 1.5% of votes Labour has lost in Scotland must therefore be coming back in England.
It suggests that the Conservatives could have a bad night in England, but its all too close to call and all to play for.
The remaining rump of the LibDems are putting in a concerted effort though.. Here in Sutton where they have Brake and Burstow as MPs they have through the LD phonebank machine rung the whole constituency twice already. Sutton and Cheam which is a target 40/40 seat is getting visits from cabinet ministers galore by the Tories and there is a real Stalingrad feel to the fight on the street. In C&W its much more low key with most pundits expecting a comfortable win for Brake.
Sutton and Cheam and Carshalton and Wellington will be held even if the Lib Dems go sub 15 seats or so. Probably sub 10
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Final weekly ELBOW tallies:
4,348 Con =33.17%
4,347 Lab =33.16%
1,944 UKIP = 14.83%
969 LD = 7.39%
744 Green = 5.68%
Total weighted sample from 11 polls =13,108
Eh? Surely that is either 1 or 2?
How's those shares of yours and your second home????/... How many kitchens do you have.. Labour luvvies who try to pretend they are just regular ordinary man of the people guys seem to acquire them and lots of money?
How much do you think that ED "man of the people" 's total worth is now he is married, their net joint income and how many kitchens all told..
If you buy at £10 a seat and they get 1, you lost £8. If they get 2, you win £2.
We will get 5 years of what the French call 'Co Habitation' and the Americans term a lame duck presidency. It will be political paralysis with the Government blocked from making any serious policy changes and an orgy of pointless political game-playing to fill the vacuum.
Good. There is far too much law anyway.
The Tories meanwhile get a chance to tear themselves apart after Cameron is ousted while not being torn to pieces in the ratings as they get a boost from the few people who don't like the SNP and Labour working together to stop them, allowing the new leadership to bemoan how if only Cameron had listened to the right he would surely have won a majority.
And under his breathe to her "The bloody wife can see us!"
@SophyRidgeSky: Miliband says he won't get into how other parties may or not vote after election, when I ask if he'll rule out confidence & supply with SNP
or not.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31904118
We could have a parliament where there is less change for the sake of dogma or to undo the other guy's changes. Change only when approved by cross bench majorities. Doesn't sound that bad actually.
It won't be troubling the barge pole....
18 months ago I would have bought it, it seemed like that potentiality would have led to a boost by now. But now? Not buying it.
I refer of course to tomorrow's Budget statement and specifically to the colour of George Osborne's tie, which surely simply HAS to be BLUE.
There's a huge disparity in the odds between the four bookies covering this market -
Betfred go 4/7, Hills offer 8/15, Laddies are evens, whilst those nice people at Betfair Sportsbook are prepared to pay a whopping 2/1. Don't hang about as this price isn't going to last long.
DYOR (if you really must!)
I noted the source of the tip and bet accordingly both on FGS and anytime scorer
Harry Kane 7.69 1,434.07 Lay
Harry Kane 3.02 976.63 Lay
1,111 minutes
A whopping £1.25 max stake on Blue 2-1.
What Labour, UKIP, Green and SNP supporters don't like is the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives. Even the Lib Dems and some Conservatives don't like the Lib Dems supporting the Conservatives.
Such people may change their minds when they see the chaos created with a minority government and no party prepared to vote to cut government spending.
Contemptible comment by Murphy.
Conservative 33.52%
UKIP 14.86%
Lib Dems 8.08%
SNP 4.76%
Greens 4.52%
Others 0.32%
PC 0.24%
BNP 0.24%
Which means that "Others" as you've defined it is 5.5% exactly.
Just the endorsement Ed was looking for...
I'm on the Betfair naughty list
People are not going to be so sure about an idea that they won't be swayed if they find out it is proposed by someone they don't trust.
I actually think that is a reasonably rational way to react, given that you are asking people to make judgements in the absence of perfect information. It has its problems, of course, not the least of which is that people seem to be awful judges of who deserves their trust, as the success of various confidence tricksters, and the failures of many relationships, serves to demonstrate.
Taking it back to Ed M and Labour ratings, that's where it gets silly for me, because people are saying they trust Labour and like Labour a lot, but they don't like Ed M, so what they think is that Ed M will have no or negligible impact on what Labour is or does, which seems unlikely even if he were as weak as people think.
Southam and Henry Mason were right about Ed from the off.
I do think it's striking that 52% say they "like the Labour Party". I wouldn't have expected that most people these days would feel emotionally attached to any party.
In fact my crystal ball - I actually have a genuine one at home - shows much clearer mud, than all the pollsters do.
#Expectationsmanagement
Among telephone polling companies, it's 8 Conservative leads to 5 Labour, since the start of the year.
Bst let Clegg take the tar and feathers.
Grant Schapps needs to resign quickly if he is not to damage his party, how could he have carried on sustaining his lie for so long.It appears very dishonourable indeed.
But weighting UKIP and the Lib Dems to their 2010 result is nonsense in my opinion
;-)
The SNP are at their absolute max in the polls whereas even with the LibDems at 8% the yellow peril will outpoll the SNP almost 2:1
But you have a meme to push, for your own sanity no doubt, press on
Still huge volatility - UKIP at 15% with Populus and just 9% with ICM. The duopoly has 71% which is notably higher than with other pollsters.
It's a fair poll for the Conservatives (their highest score with any pollster) and a decent poll for Labour but where can either side go from here if the LDs, UKIP and the rest are down to near core numbers ?
I think this is as high as either Conservative or Labour can go - the question then becomes whether both can hold this high share over the next few weeks.
It is a poor poll for the LDs - no question. Whether it's an outlier for them and UKIP given the high numbers for the duopoly remains to be seen.
This is heading for a serious guddle, probably with Labour as the largest party but it is going to be too close to form a credible government with.
Here in Sutton where they have Brake and Burstow as MPs they have through the LD phonebank machine rung the whole constituency twice already.
Sutton and Cheam which is a target 40/40 seat is getting visits from cabinet ministers galore by the Tories and there is a real Stalingrad feel to the fight on the street. In C&W its much more low key with most pundits expecting a comfortable win for Brake.
It suggests that the Conservatives could have a bad night in England, but its all too close to call and all to play for.