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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,963
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Aberdeen/Edinburgh South are two seats I can't see SNP taking.
    Did you see this?

    @TNS_UK: MT @telegraph:New pro-Union campaign identified tactical voting that could defeat SNP http://bit.ly/1wPC54t ⇦Our poll http://bit.ly/1LQlJBl
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409

    TGOHF said:

    Speaking of trains I saw a man teaching a dog to play the trumpet on the tube this morning.

    He went from Barking to Tooting in 45 minutes.

    Tooting Bec or Tooting Broadway? :)
    He might have got off at Blackfriars and got a Thameslink train to Tooting Station (which is neither of the above and has no suffix)?

    I'll get my coat and head for Mornington Crescent.......
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    I see Industrial scale negligence and cover up in the NHS leads the news again.

    A second Mid Staffs and not a single doctor or midwife has lost their job. Shameful.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    @Thescreamingeagles
    So it is a tactical vote for the Tories, plus Clegg will hold on regardless of my vote.

    I voted in Sheffield Central at the last GE, my Conservative vote made no difference to the result... but it was very close :)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Sure - I think it will be tricky for Conservatives to vote tactically though, @Thescreamingeagles can barely bring himself to not waste his vote in Sheffield Hallam. And that is a much easier transfer than Tory -> Labour. I wouldn't be able to bring myself to vote Labour, ever. In the blood !
    Mine is part of a vote swap with Sunil to ensure Lee Scott holds on in Ilford North.

    So it is a tactical vote for the Tories, plus Clegg will hold on regardless of my vote.
    Sunil means "blue" :relaxed:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Aberdeen/Edinburgh South are two seats I can't see SNP taking.
    Did you see this?

    @TNS_UK: MT @telegraph:New pro-Union campaign identified tactical voting that could defeat SNP http://bit.ly/1wPC54t ⇦Our poll http://bit.ly/1LQlJBl
    Someone hasn't been reading Antifranks blogs.. naughty step
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    TGOHF said:

    Speaking of trains I saw a man teaching a dog to play the trumpet on the tube this morning.

    He went from Barking to Tooting in 45 minutes.

    Tooting Bec or Tooting Broadway? :)
    He might have got off at Blackfriars and got a Thameslink train to Tooting Station (which is neither of the above and has no suffix)?

    I'll get my coat and head for Mornington Crescent.......
    Aha! But Thameslink isn't "the Tube" as mentioned in the original joke :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Aberdeen/Edinburgh South are two seats I can't see SNP taking.
    Did you see this?

    @TNS_UK: MT @telegraph:New pro-Union campaign identified tactical voting that could defeat SNP http://bit.ly/1wPC54t ⇦Our poll http://bit.ly/1LQlJBl
    Sure - might swing a few votes, will also add to the Nats claims that Labour are "blue Tories" etc... Fuel and fire for both sides there.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    "Ex-Royal Marine is first Briton to be killed fighting alongside Kurdish forces against Islamic State in Syria, Kurdish militia says"
    Beeb ticker
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    I thought UKIP waited till after the election to ditch the manifesto?

    @robindbrant: STORY: looks like @ukip has ditched its net migration target of 50,000, which spokesman was discussing only last week http://t.co/fDq5XJFWPc
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,312

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Aberdeen/Edinburgh South are two seats I can't see SNP taking.
    Did you see this?

    @TNS_UK: MT @telegraph:New pro-Union campaign identified tactical voting that could defeat SNP http://bit.ly/1wPC54t ⇦Our poll http://bit.ly/1LQlJBl
    Also SNP leads Lab 46-30 among those certain to vote, up 5 from the last poll

  • Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheScreamingEagles

    Couldn't we "hack" them?
    :)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
    Must be a proper ego trip for Mr Newton Dunn :)
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Pulpstar said:

    antifrank said:

    Evening all. My latest thoughts on the Scottish constituencies:

    http://newstonoone.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/mapping-snp-surge-return-to-scottish.html

    Eek I have some bets in one or two of those "Bad places for the SNP" constituencies (£40 6-4 Central Ayrshire, £30 @ 6-5 Stirling :)
    Not necessarily bad, just they make me nervous until we get a better picture about whether tactical voting might in fact happen.
    Aberdeen/Edinburgh South are two seats I can't see SNP taking.
    Did you see this?

    @TNS_UK: MT @telegraph:New pro-Union campaign identified tactical voting that could defeat SNP http://bit.ly/1wPC54t ⇦Our poll http://bit.ly/1LQlJBl
    Also SNP leads Lab 46-30 among those certain to vote, up 5 from the last poll

    This is not a new poll it was published on Feb 26th
  • Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
    Must be a proper ego trip for Mr Newton Dunn :)
    I heard even Rupert Murdoch no longer gets a copy.

    After he broke his paper's own embargo 6 hours early with THAT indyref poll.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    Smarmeron said:

    @TheScreamingEagles

    Couldn't we "hack" them?
    :)

    Ask The Mirror. They're the leaders in this field.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
    Must be a proper ego trip for Mr Newton Dunn :)
    I heard even Rupert Murdoch no longer gets a copy.

    After he broke his paper's own embargo 6 hours early with THAT indyref poll.
    LOL! Really? I'm sure that can't be true...

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @TheWatcher
    I avoid the Mirror like the plague, but you could ask?
  • GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
    Must be a proper ego trip for Mr Newton Dunn :)
    I heard even Rupert Murdoch no longer gets a copy.

    After he broke his paper's own embargo 6 hours early with THAT indyref poll.
    LOL! Really? I'm sure that can't be true...

    From a reliable source.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015

    GIN1138 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I notice the Yougov hasn't been leaked yet, some people must be sitting on embargoes copies though :D

    Nope, News International are very strict, and no embargoed copies are sent out.

    Only they get copies.
    Must be a proper ego trip for Mr Newton Dunn :)
    I heard even Rupert Murdoch no longer gets a copy.

    After he broke his paper's own embargo 6 hours early with THAT indyref poll.
    LOL! Really? I'm sure that can't be true...

    From a reliable source.
    Maybe they don't send him the results but I'm sure if Rupert emailed and asked them what tonight's YG poll was showing nobody would tell him to P8ss off and wait like everybody would they? :astonished:

  • Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015

    Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    Huh.....What was all the ramping about?
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    5?!!!
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    5 OMG
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025

    Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    Quite disappointing for UKIP. Not troubling the scorers?
  • The Sun say the Lib Dems have hit a 25 year polling low
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015

    Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    Have Lib-Dems ever been at 5% before?

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Is that 5% or 5 respondents?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    Oh...5.....TBH I am so used to Lib Dem being so low it didn't even hit me.
  • antifrank said:

    Is that 5% or 5 respondents?

    5%
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    Are you joking?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    GIN1138 said:

    Just For Fun

    YouGov Prediction

    Con Lead 2%

    #backofthenet

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Libs drop to 5%, a 25 year polling low. CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 5%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6% http://t.co/QJXskQOOLY
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    edited March 2015
    The 36% for the blues is quite encouraging.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Twickenham must be in trouble on these numbers !
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    If that's a 25 year polling low for the Lib's then that's also the lowest they've ever been with YouGov because the company didn't come on the scene until around 2002 I think?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Tonight's might possibly be the ultimate Daily Mail headline:

    http://t.co/QBVuFGmqjM
  • compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Much Arfage - Lib Dems approach zero.
  • Tonight's YouGov

    Con 36 Lab 34, Lib Dems 5

    Are you joking?
    I never joke with polling figures
  • frpenkridgefrpenkridge Posts: 670
    So what did that bloke actually say that caused some other bloke to say that the first bloke was hinting at a 10 point lead?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    antifrank said:

    Tonight's might possibly be the ultimate Daily Mail headline:

    http://t.co/QBVuFGmqjM

    We all knew it was coming....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    edited March 2015
    Scott_P said:

    @tnewtondunn: EXCL: YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Libs drop to 5%, a 25 year polling low. CON 36%, LAB 34%, LDEM 5%, UKIP 14%, GRN 6% http://t.co/QJXskQOOLY

    Damn, I thought it would be a Lab 10% lead! (only kidding!)
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    More of a petite mort than a Cleggasm.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    felix said:

    The 36% for the blues is quite encouraging.

    Where they were in 2010 basically. Can't be bad.

  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664
    When were last back to back con leads of 2+?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    antifrank said:

    Tonight's might possibly be the ultimate Daily Mail headline:

    http://t.co/QBVuFGmqjM

    I wonder which campaign(s) that might play into...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    With a 5% national score how realistic is the 30+ seats for the LDs?
  • I beat Tom Newton Dunn, again.

    In your face
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited March 2015
    Peak Kipper.

    I am looking forward to a post-election interview with Clegg. Hopefully he will actually cry this time.

    So so satisfying:
    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75108000/jpg/_75108785_75108329.jpg
  • 5% and 5th. We like 36% for blues too
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Tonights YG EICIPM
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    It seems the LD's are in a final round of collapse to oblivion this time towards the Tories.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Boring YouGov

    But over analysing polls is boring and muggy anyway
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Ishmael_X said:

    When were last back to back con leads of 2+?

    The Tory conference.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,025
    5% has not been that unusual for the Lib Dems in Scotland but for the whole country? That would mean that their average score for every seat was on the edge of losing their deposit. That is really put out the lights time.

    36% very good for the tories but they still need to squeeze the Labour vote more which is pretty strong as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,706
    The bell tolls.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642

    antifrank said:

    Tonight's might possibly be the ultimate Daily Mail headline:

    http://t.co/QBVuFGmqjM

    We all knew it was coming....
    I would have thought it goes without saying these days.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    felix said:

    With a 5% national score how realistic is the 30+ seats for the LDs?

    On these scores it would be an 8.5% uniform swing from the Lib Dems to the Conservatives, so not at all.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Much Arfage - Lib Dems approach zero.

    Odd, your usual target is Con. There must be some sort of football-related metaphor for what you did there...
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    felix said:

    With a 5% national score how realistic is the 30+ seats for the LDs?

    With 5% just above 10 seats is realistic.
  • Baxtering that poll puts the Lib Dems on 3 seats
  • coolagornacoolagorna Posts: 127
    So the big two still neck and neck, Miliband still on course for no 10 and
    The Libs still going to get slaughtered

    Not all that interesting really
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Farron is going to be the Lib Dem leader because he'll be the only one left :D
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538

    Tonights YG EICIPM

    Perhaps not. Electoral calculus has 309 Con to 308 Lab.

    But that's without factoring in Lib Dem incumbency, Scotland, and UKIP.

  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    DavidL said:

    5% has not been that unusual for the Lib Dems in Scotland but for the whole country? That would mean that their average score for every seat was on the edge of losing their deposit. That is really put out the lights time.

    36% very good for the tories but they still need to squeeze the Labour vote more which is pretty strong as well.

    Yes but one has to wonder just how firm that Labour score is when it comes to turn-out.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @antifrank
    With the Libdems, I wouldn't be putting the house on the swing being uniform?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    More of a petite mort than a Cleggasm.

    Tres drole. Jambe par dessus?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133

    Baxtering that poll puts the Lib Dems on 3 seats

    Motorbike and side-car? :)
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    We cant even say panic is going to set in, because despite the polls there has been a mindset of defeat for Labour for the last six months. Dan Hodges was right. He called it out. You cant fatten the pig on market day. Labour in opposition havent done the donkey work, the graft, they've relied on sitting back and watching the government make unpopular decisions.

    It's come back to haunt them.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015
    There was an idea mooted a week or so ago on here that we should all fess up to our worst GE bet..

    I was going to say my bets vs AntiFrank, TGOHF et al taking 6/4 & 10/11 UKIP to bt Lib Dems on votes was my biggest mistake as only having £300 odd was massive ricket

    But last week I backed LD to beat UKIP at 11/4 as a small hedge

    #mug
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    @britainelects: Tonight's 36% for the Conservatives with YouGov is its highest with pollster since October 2014.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411

    Baxtering that poll puts the Lib Dems on 3 seats

    If they're down to 3 it'll be Lamb, Laws & Farron.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015

    Baxtering that poll puts the Lib Dems on 3 seats

    Baxtering this poll gives UKIP 2 seats: The Shetlands and Ross Sky (Charles Kennedy).
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    What wsd the UKIP score with YG?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Smarmeron said:

    @antifrank
    With the Libdems, I wouldn't be putting the house on the swing being uniform?

    No, but beyond a certain point you would expect them to underperform uniform national swing, since not even the Lib Dems can tally negative votes in a constituency.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Baxtering that poll puts the Lib Dems on 3 seats

    If they're down to 3 it'll be Lamb, Laws & Farron.
    That really IS #Taxi4Libs time!

    :smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley::smiley:

  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Smarmeron said:

    @antifrank
    With the Libdems, I wouldn't be putting the house on the swing being uniform?

    At 5% or less, UNS starts to apply and the LD's can't escape the electoral black hole.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,538
    Baxter has 309 Conservatives, and 2 UKIP. Assume 9 DUP.

    308 Labour, 3 Plaid, 6 SNP, and 3 SDLP, and Lady Hermon.

    3 Lib Dems hold the balance of power.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,514
    edited March 2015
    Sun will the important news of the night...

    https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/572889036022525952
  • kjohnwkjohnw Posts: 1,456
    when are we bringing back the smiling Daves!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Sean_F said:

    Tonights YG EICIPM

    Perhaps not. Electoral calculus has 309 Con to 308 Lab.

    But that's without factoring in Lib Dem incumbency, Scotland, and UKIP.

    Lib Dem incumbency is a drag on the Conservatives more than Labour.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited March 2015
    Sean_F said:

    Baxter has 309 Conservatives, and 2 UKIP. Assume 9 DUP.

    308 Labour, 3 Plaid, 6 SNP, and 3 SDLP, and Lady Hermon.

    3 Lib Dems hold the balance of power.

    The LD and UKIP do not mix up with the same coalition.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,937
    OK LibDems, you can finally panic now in five, four, three...

    Ooops, sorry, broke the embargo for the next two polls.....
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @antifrank
    Are you positive? I am sure I have seen a bar chart that proves they can.....
    :)
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    So what are the odds that ALL the LibDems will lose their seats?

    That must be a finite probability at this point. Unlikely still, but no longer impossible.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Speedy said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @antifrank
    With the Libdems, I wouldn't be putting the house on the swing being uniform?

    At 5% or less, UNS starts to apply and the LD's can't escape the electoral black hole.
    No, they UNDER perform UNS.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,133
    Opinium have already had the LDs on 5% this year, on 30th Jan.

    But lowest of the lot, TNS-BMRB/BBC Women's Hour (26th Jan) had them on just 4%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,411
    Speedy said:

    Sean_F said:

    Baxter has 309 Conservatives, and 2 UKIP. Assume 9 DUP.

    308 Labour, 3 Plaid, 6 SNP, and 3 SDLP, and Lady Hermon.

    3 Lib Dems hold the balance of power.

    The LD and UKIP do not mix up with the same coalition.
    UKIP are looking to confidence and supply, not a coalition.
  • Opinium have already had the LDs on 5% this year, on 30th Jan.

    But lowest of the lot, TNS-BMRB/BBC Women's Hour (26th Jan) had them on just 4%

    That's not a real poll.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Sun will the important news of the night...

    twitter.com/suttonnick/status/572889036022525952

    That picture of Osborne in a pint looks really scary.
  • So what to do the morning thread on.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    It may be me. On the yougov survey the other day I moved from Lib to Tory in a fit of pique over pension raids.

    In terms of dumb bets: it looks as if I will owe the RNLI £20 and HL a bottle of Islay malt if UKIP get over 6% (I have hedged this with Shadsy though)

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,386
    The Libs might have been on 6% is Mike wasn't on Holiday...
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    So what to do the morning thread on.

    Please. anything other than a thread on AV ; )
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,803
    notme said:

    We cant even say panic is going to set in, because despite the polls there has been a mindset of defeat for Labour for the last six months. Dan Hodges was right. He called it out. You cant fatten the pig on market day. Labour in opposition havent done the donkey work, the graft, they've relied on sitting back and watching the government make unpopular decisions.

    It's come back to haunt them.

    The odd thing is that the only time EdM has been courageous was when he challenged his brother.

    Then having become Labour leader through his brother's cowardice and complacency he has spent four years imitating than cowardice and complacency.

    Just as DM thought all he had to do was wait and he would become Labour leader automatically, EdM thought all he had to do was wait and he would become prime minister automatically.
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