@kle4 And denying all it's other forms, and concentrating on one aspect is either political, or gross stupidity. It happened in the "celeb world", it happened in childrens homes, it happened with police, politicians and families. There is where you will find the vast majority of victims, out at the back away from the spotlight of the terminally stupid. (present company excepted of course)
Erm...You do realise I copied and pasted Richard N's post and reversed it to make a point about the power (or in fact uselessness) of PB Tory anecdote??
Like shooting fish in a barrel is about right Ishmael.
Going back to that harrowing 200,000 figure. We also need to know how many criminals this implies. Even if we estimate conservatively, and assume one criminal is responsible for five victims, that's still 40,000 men (and it could be many more).
40,000 rapists and groomers, largely of Pakistani heritage, waiting to go to court and do their time. The entire prison population of the UK is just 80,000 - suddenly it expands by half?
It's impossible. It would cause civil strife. Presumably this is another reason why the government is so reluctant to tackle it.
I guarantee that if UKIP were anywhere near power they would tackle it. Wether they would succeed in stamping out Pakistani/Muslim gang rape entirely is another matter, and would surely take more than a couple of years; but that they would attempt to tackle the problem is a resounding yes.
You view your party as full of saints. That is unrealistic. Your MEPs are the best demonstration of this. UKIP MEPs have a higher rate of jailbirds and expense abusers over the past 15+ years than the % of MEPs in any other UK party. You hope that UKIP in power would do a better job but their past performance does not indicate it. In Hampshire the Leader of the Hants UKIP councillors has changed 4 times in 9 months.... How unstable is that?
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
Going back to that harrowing 200,000 figure. We also need to know how many criminals this implies. Even if we estimate conservatively, and assume one criminal is responsible for five victims, that's still 40,000 men (and it could be many more).
40,000 rapists and groomers, largely of Pakistani heritage, waiting to go to court and do their time. The entire prison population of the UK is just 80,000 - suddenly it expands by half?
It's impossible. It would cause civil strife. Presumably this is another reason why the government is so reluctant to tackle it.
I guarantee that if UKIP were anywhere near power they would tackle it. Wether they would succeed in stamping out Pakistani/Muslim gang rape entirely is another matter, and would surely take more than a couple of years; but that they would attempt to tackle the problem is a resounding yes.
You view your party as full of saints. That is unrealistic. Your MEPs are the best demonstration of this. UKIP MEPs have a higher rate of jailbirds and expense abusers over the past 15+ years than the % of MEPs in any other UK party. You hope that UKIP in power would do a better job but their past performance does not indicate it. In Hampshire the Leader of the Hants UKIP councillors has changed 4 times in 9 months.... How unstable is that?
UKIP may be many things but being obsessed with political correctness they are not. This was identified as one of the reasons for the mess that is Rotherham occurring. The council were terrified of being called racist and did not want to upset "community cohesion".
Reading local news sources it is very apparent third world politics has engulfed Rotherham. The Labour party are in a real mess there.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
Exactly what I said the other day, if the truth about our intelligence services comes out then the public will be appalled. Without wishing to sound like Icke or aargifan, Saville spent time with both Thatcher and Prince Charles, no way he would not have been spooked. And unless our intelligence services our completely useless they must have discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
To all speculating about the "accident", may I remind you that it wasn't a hit and run as the police said the driver of the car was not injured, so presumably the driver stayed at the scene with the police. So it's not a mystery man who hit him, the police presumably have his details.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
Going back to that harrowing 200,000 figure. We also need to know how many criminals this implies. Even if we estimate conservatively, and assume one criminal is responsible for five victims, that's still 40,000 men (and it could be many more).
40,000 rapists and groomers, largely of Pakistani heritage, waiting to go to court and do their time. The entire prison population of the UK is just 80,000 - suddenly it expands by half?
It's impossible. It would cause civil strife. Presumably this is another reason why the government is so reluctant to tackle it.
I guarantee that if UKIP were anywhere near power they would tackle it. Wether they would succeed in stamping out Pakistani/Muslim gang rape entirely is another matter, and would surely take more than a couple of years; but that they would attempt to tackle the problem is a resounding yes.
You view your party as full of saints. That is unrealistic. Your MEPs are the best demonstration of this. UKIP MEPs have a higher rate of jailbirds and expense abusers over the past 15+ years than the % of MEPs in any other UK party. You hope that UKIP in power would do a better job but their past performance does not indicate it. In Hampshire the Leader of the Hants UKIP councillors has changed 4 times in 9 months.... How unstable is that?
You are quite wrong @TCPoliticalBetting, I do not consider that UKIP is full of saints, nor would I expect it. The thing is with a fast growing party, there will always be malcontents wanting to do silly things. MEP's who in the past have sullied UKIPs honour, have been dealt with by expulsion or resignation.
"Unfortunately they picked an innocent man as the scapegoat."
I heard someone from the DPP try to justify the prosecution. I know they say the prosecuting service is made up of failed lawyers but by any standards she was hopeless. A doctor who was on before her described the prosecution as showing an extraordinary ignorance of medical practice. You'd think at least they could find a free lance doctor who knew where to look.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
"Pedophilia" has been with us for a long time, however you define it, and can be found in every race and every culture.
But there is a specific issue of racist grooming of vulnerable white girls, by Pakistani men, in UK cities: partly because their own culture denies them sexual access to Muslim girls, partly because of a religious contempt for "white sluts" and "kuffar slags" and partly because we have, through misplaced political correctness, ignored the crime and let it grow until it is, as we now see, endemic (A white middle class culture of contempt for chavs has not helped, either).
There was a startling article in the New Statesman about three years ago by a Pakistani journalist who freely admitted that this abuse was widely known about, and tolerated, in his community. I don't believe he would be so glibly honest today.
Yes, most British child abusers are white. Most of Britain is white.
But ignoring the racial and religious issue with this particular crime is absurd. Happily almost no one now does this. Apart from you, it seems.
It is extremely unlikely that these abusers transform into good husbands brothers and uncles as soon as they go home. There are probably a very large number of Asian victims too, and even more covered up. Read this article and weep.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
Going back to that harrowing 200,000 figure. We also need to know how many criminals this implies. Even if we estimate conservatively, and assume one criminal is responsible for five victims, that's still 40,000 men (and it could be many more).
40,000 rapists and groomers, largely of Pakistani heritage, waiting to go to court and do their time. The entire prison population of the UK is just 80,000 - suddenly it expands by half?
It's impossible. It would cause civil strife. Presumably this is another reason why the government is so reluctant to tackle it.
I guarantee that if UKIP were anywhere near power they would tackle it. Wether they would succeed in stamping out Pakistani/Muslim gang rape entirely is another matter, and would surely take more than a couple of years; but that they would attempt to tackle the problem is a resounding yes.
You view your party as full of saints. That is unrealistic. Your MEPs are the best demonstration of this. UKIP MEPs have a higher rate of jailbirds and expense abusers over the past 15+ years than the % of MEPs in any other UK party. You hope that UKIP in power would do a better job but their past performance does not indicate it. In Hampshire the Leader of the Hants UKIP councillors has changed 4 times in 9 months.... How unstable is that?
UKIP may be many things but being obsessed with political correctness they are not. This was identified as one of the reasons for the mess that is Rotherham occurring. The council were terrified of being called racist and did not want to upset "community cohesion".
Reading local news sources it is very apparent third world politics has engulfed Rotherham. The Labour party are in a real mess there.
Third World politics has engulfed Tower Hamlets as well. Only this time Labour have been the victims.
"Unfortunately they picked an innocent man as the scapegoat."
I heard someone from the DPP try to justify the prosecution. I know they say the prosecuting service is made up of failed lawyers but by any standards she was hopeless. A doctor who was on before her described the prosecution as showing an extraordinary ignorance of medical practice. You'd think at least they could find a free lance doctor who knew where to look.
My experience of the CPS is that a significant part of them are heroically useless.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
"Pedophilia" has been with us for a long time, however you define it, and can be found in every race and every culture.
But there is a specific issue of racist grooming of vulnerable white girls, by Pakistani men, in UK cities: partly because their own culture denies them sexual access to Muslim girls, partly because of a religious contempt for "white sluts" and "kuffar slags" and partly because we have, through misplaced political correctness, ignored the crime and let it grow until it is, as we now see, endemic (A white middle class culture of contempt for chavs has not helped, either).
There was a startling article in the New Statesman about three years ago by a Pakistani journalist who freely admitted that this abuse was widely known about, and tolerated, in his community. I don't believe he would be so glibly honest today.
Yes, most British child abusers are white. Most of Britain is white.
But ignoring the racial and religious issue with this particular crime is absurd. Happily almost no one now does this. Apart from you, it seems.
It is extremely unlikely that these abusers transform into good husbands brothers and uncles as soon as they go home. There are probably a very large number of Asian victims too, and even more covered up. Read this article and weep.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
Exactly what I said the other day, if the truth about our intelligence services comes out then the public will be appalled. Without wishing to sound like Icke or aargifan, Saville spent time with both Thatcher and Prince Charles, no way he would not have been spooked. And unless our intelligence services our completely useless they must have discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
The issue is the racial profiling of victims.
If certain political movements hadn't promoted race as an aggravated circumstance in issues of wrongdoing, your point might be valid.
But it isn't if you go big on racism being worse than ..... being a paedophile.
Same old same old from SeanT. Pakistanis have been involved in terrible sex crimes. The local authority and the police are also implicated. For SeanT its all about race. And all about smearing everyone of that race.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
And just what action do you think The West can take? Let alone what a second rate backwater like the UK can do.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
You mean a 'name'. In reality though it could be anyone, take out the name value and you can't protect every target.
They will succeed if they wish to go ahead. Secondly it is no more different than how they've killed in Iraq and Syria in their method whilst we stood idly by. Killing is killing and we need to get over it.
We need to spend less time on their propaganda work, sensationalising it with hyperbole and deal with their military approach at source. Right now the Jordanians are doing what needs doing, bombing their strongholds, no nancy boy talk about alienation or selective assassination. Jordan does now how to do repressive action and if it keeps it up it might actually have an effect.
Contrary to what the half wits in the Western corridors of power would have you believe, reducing a opposition held town or city progressively to rubble is a viable military approach if done properly. If that is the Jordanian approach then it has more sense to it than anything the West is doing in the region right now.
Edit: One final note, the security services are aware of certain target profiles (e.g. professions or types) and named people. Right now, they actually have limited nailed down intelligence on the critical aspects, when, where, who.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
Exactly what I said the other day, if the truth about our intelligence services comes out then the public will be appalled. Without wishing to sound like Icke or aargifan, Saville spent time with both Thatcher and Prince Charles, no way he would not have been spooked. And unless our intelligence services our completely useless they must have discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
The issue is the racial profiling of victims.
If certain political movements hadn't promoted race as an aggravated circumstance in issues of wrongdoing, your point might be valid.
But it isn't if you go big on racism being worse than ..... being a paedophile.
Same old same old from SeanT. Pakistanis have been involved in terrible sex crimes. The local authority and the police are also implicated. For SeanT its all about race. And all about smearing everyone of that race.
And for you it's all about collateral damage, and pray do tell me why you think what I wrote is rubbish.
@kle4 And denying all it's other forms, and concentrating on one aspect is either political, or gross stupidity. It happened in the "celeb world", it happened in childrens homes, it happened with police, politicians and families. There is where you will find the vast majority of victims, out at the back away from the spotlight of the terminally stupid. (present company excepted of course)
Don't call people stupid, especially not in posts which show you are too dim to master the its/it's distinction.
I have little doubt the tendency to want to commit paedophilia is evenly distributed across races. The thing is, we have robust laws against paedophilia which frighten off the majority of would-be paedophiles from doing anything about it. Therefore it is concentrated among groups who have unusual opportunities to get away with it (the rich and powerful, the runners of care homes, the clergy, and privileged racial minorities). To say that "the vast majority of victims" are elsewhere is ludicrous, because if Sean's figure which we seem to be accepting is a "tiny minority" (or whatever the inverse of vast majority is), that gives a count of more victims than there are actual children in the country. It is tripe that the majority of child abusers are white, because such a claim can only be made on the basis of successful prosecutions and a large number of non-whites have had an effective immunity from prosecution for the last thirty years.
The US folds on the Ukraine and accepts the Russian proposal of federation. The question is whether federation is still acceptable to the rebels after all the bloodshed and if the US and Kiev can be trusted (or indeed if the neo Nazi paramilitaries would accept it)? Make no mistake though, it is military victory that has brought the US to the negotiating table.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
And just what action do you think The West can take? Let alone what a second rate backwater like the UK can do.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
Exactly what I said the other day, if the truth about our intelligence services comes out then the public will be appalled. Without wishing to sound like Icke or aargifan, Saville spent time with both Thatcher and Prince Charles, no way he would not have been spooked. And unless our intelligence services our completely useless they must have discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
The issue is the racial profiling of victims.
If certain political movements hadn't promoted race as an aggravated circumstance in issues of wrongdoing, your point might be valid.
But it isn't if you go big on racism being worse than ..... being a paedophile.
Same old same old from SeanT. Pakistanis have been involved in terrible sex crimes. The local authority and the police are also implicated. For SeanT its all about race. And all about smearing everyone of that race.
He is just scared of "the other" - don't blame him, entirely understandable moronicism.
I mean I have absolutely no doubt that @SeanT knows 10, 20, 30 perhaps more people of Pakistani heritage none of whom he would ever think somehow had paedophile predilections just on account of that heritage. And none of which are paedophiles regardless, I would bet.
But he feels free to use racial stereotypes when the evidence of the opposite is staring him in the face. He was the same with the jews controlling the money and power.
It is a convenient, simplistic, lazy and deeply misguided view that, frankly, one would have thought he was too intelligent to adopt.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I don't know about the latter point but it's not called circumcision because it is no such thing. There can be medical reasons for removing the foreskin. There are no medical reasons for slicing off a woman's labia, clitoris and sowing up her vagina to prevent menstrual blood being expelled. That's why it's called mutilation.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
Circumcision was, to anyone who thinks about it for five seconds, a complete misnomer.
Your curious tendency to downplay the severity of crimes against women shows up twice in that one post by the way. Careful.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I would think it was originally an attempt to categorise it as different from Male Genital Mutilation as it was felt easier to make it an issue by ignoring the abuse inflicted on men.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
You'll be found out soon enough Roger, don't worry.
If antifrank is anywhere near the vicinity of being vaguely correct, why are we talking about anything APART from "Rotherham"?
It's just.... incredible. 200,000. It's the kind of crime you read about in awful history books about faraway countries under totalitarian regimes.
Yet apparently it happened in Britain while we were all watching Downton.
I suspect that it's for that exact reason - the enormity of the crimes and the fact that it requires us as a society to challenge the long held assumptions that allowed it to happen. Stories about isolated monsters are much easier to stomach.
And its seeming prevalence in a number of places and a variety of institutions (politics, entertainment, children's homes, the church) means that there's no easy general scapegoat. You'd have thought that the right would be making hay out of Rotherham, but then the vile actions of the council concerned seem not solely based on their ludicrous misapplication of political correctness but appear as symptoms of a wider malaise - police not taking allegations seriously and authorities taking the path of least resistance whenever faced with doing something that might cause a tremendous fuss.
It means an awful lot of powerful people accepting that they acted in a way that was fairly shameful and was at best willfully negligent.
An interesting juxtapositions was with the renewed focus on the Thorpe trial, where the cover-up wasn't so much a Watergate style conspiracy, but a succession of favours, arse-coverings and convenient memory lapses that ensured the truth was shrouded in mystery. You can easily see how this way of operating, which it seems has been to varying degrees a hallmark of all levels of the political and administrative class, allows sex offenders - known to be among the most devious criminals, to thrive in various different contexts - whether that's alleged goings on in Westminster or officials who are supposed to be protecting kids turning a blind eye in Rotherham.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
Exactly what I said the other day, if the truth about our intelligence services comes out then the public will be appalled. Without wishing to sound like Icke or aargifan, Saville spent time with both Thatcher and Prince Charles, no way he would not have been spooked. And unless our intelligence services our completely useless they must have discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
The issue is the racial profiling of victims.
If certain political movements hadn't promoted race as an aggravated circumstance in issues of wrongdoing, your point might be valid.
But it isn't if you go big on racism being worse than ..... being a paedophile.
Same old same old from SeanT. Pakistanis have been involved in terrible sex crimes. The local authority and the police are also implicated. For SeanT its all about race. And all about smearing everyone of that race.
And for you it's all about smearing anyone who notices the ethnic componnent as a "racist" in the hope that they will shut up cause they're scared. In the past this has worked and the issue has been buried, time and again.
But it's not working any more. So what is the point of you? Why carry on? People like you are the reason maybe thousands of girls have been raped.
You're an enabler. An enabler of racist pedophile gang rape. Well done.
I really don't know why you bother, he can't tell the difference between race and culture.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I don't know about the latter point but it's not called circumcision because it is no such thing. There can be medical reasons for removing the foreskin. There are no medical reasons for slicing off a woman's labia, clitoris and sowing up her vagina to prevent menstrual blood being expelled. That's why it's called mutilation.
That's utter hypocrisy. MGM is just as bad as FGM in fact as most MGM is carried out without anaesthesia it could be considered worse. Both have significant impacts on sexual performance and enjoyment and no medical justification whatsoever.
Some nutter on Twitter has just tweeted me saying that HMG tolerates the grooming gangs because there are pedophiles at all levels of the Establishment, and the gangs are funneling children to the politicians, for them to abuse.
Thing is, for a second I thought: he might be right. That's the scale of the madness.
You'd have thought MI5 would be keeping tabs on MPs and members of the government.
ave discovered what he was up to, but allowed it to continue.
@SeanT "largely of Pakistani heritage" Are you suggesting that Pakistanis are racially inclined to paedophilia? Do a little research, it was rife well before they came in numbers. You want sensation, I would just like justice for all the victims no matter who abused them.
The issue is the racial profiling of victims.
If certain political movements hadn't promoted race as an aggravated circumstance in issues of wrongdoing, your point might be valid.
But it isn't if you go big on racism being worse than ..... being a paedophile.
Same old same old from SeanT. Pakistanis have been involved in terrible sex crimes. The local authority and the police are also implicated. For SeanT its all about race. And all about smearing everyone of that race.
He is just scared of "the other" - don't blame him, entirely understandable moronicism.
I mean I have absolutely no doubt that @SeanT knows 10, 20, 30 perhaps more people of Pakistani heritage none of whom he would ever think somehow had paedophile predilections just on account of that heritage. And none of which are paedophiles regardless, I would bet.
But he feels free to use racial stereotypes when the evidence of the opposite is staring him in the face. He was the same with the jews controlling the money and power.
It is a convenient, simplistic, lazy and deeply misguided view that, frankly, one would have thought he was too intelligent to adopt.
I suspect you are of the Smithson generation which, as I identified the other day, is too steeped in old, liberal beliefs of political correctness and multiculturalism to recognise the new paradigm. Put it another way, you're too old to understand what's going on; you are confused and bewildered, too cognitively challenged by an issue which dissonates so much.
I will therefore extend mercy and ignore rhe rest of your dribbling.
@Dair It probably started out for hygiene reasons, especially in hot and arid climes. After that, it becomes religious, and symbol. Are we humans thick or what?
@Dair It probably started out for hygiene reasons, especially in hot and arid climes. After that, it becomes religious, and symbol. Are we humans thick or what?
Groups of humans certainly do appear incredibly stupid. Perhaps it needs to be accepted that groups of humans are incapable of logical and rational decision making.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
And just what action do you think The West can take? Let alone what a second rate backwater like the UK can do.
You clearly love your country!
The UK is not "my country". And even if it were, I fail to see how tokenistic power projection has any bearing on one's "love" for country.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I don't know about the latter point but it's not called circumcision because it is no such thing. There can be medical reasons for removing the foreskin. There are no medical reasons for slicing off a woman's labia, clitoris and sowing up her vagina to prevent menstrual blood being expelled. That's why it's called mutilation.
That's utter hypocrisy. MGM is just as bad as FGM in fact as most MGM is carried out without anaesthesia it could be considered worse. Both have significant impacts on sexual performance and enjoyment and no medical justification whatsoever.
That last point is simply not true. There are medical reasons for removing the foreskin and the operation is done in hospital under anaesthetic by surgeons. I know men to whom this has happened.
FGM is not done under anaesthesia. It is done by a knife. The conditions under which it is done abroad are appalling. Girls have died. Infection is caused and can cause life-long harm.
The removal of a woman's genitals prevents any sexual enjoyment. Having the vagina torn open for a man to penetrate her is pretty unpleasant and sex generally will be horrible. It can affect childbirth. In addition, the accumulation of menstrual blood inside the body causes not only acute pain but can lead to cysts developing internally which if they burst are life-threatening. Menstruation is painful enough without this. The consequences for girls suffering this are horrendous and last all their life.
I'm sure any circumcised men on here can opine on whether they have suffered something equivalent or on their sex lives, if they so choose.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
And just what action do you think The West can take? Let alone what a second rate backwater like the UK can do.
You clearly love your country!
The UK is not "my country". And even if it were, I fail to see how tokenistic power projection has any bearing on one's "love" for country.
Fair enough, thought PB was dominated by Brits. Anyway, I was referring to your description of the UK as a backwater, rather than anything to do with power projection.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I don't know about the latter point but it's not called circumcision because it is no such thing. There can be medical reasons for removing the foreskin. There are no medical reasons for slicing off a woman's labia, clitoris and sowing up her vagina to prevent menstrual blood being expelled. That's why it's called mutilation.
That's utter hypocrisy. MGM is just as bad as FGM in fact as most MGM is carried out without anaesthesia it could be considered worse. Both have significant impacts on sexual performance and enjoyment and no medical justification whatsoever.
You obviously have no idea what a clitoris is, if you think the two are in any way comparable. Can't say I'm surprised.
@Dair It probably started out for hygiene reasons, especially in hot and arid climes. After that, it becomes religious, and symbol. Are we humans thick or what?
There is no reason in hygiene for removing the clitoris.
@Ishmael_X Both (except for medical reasons) are unnecessary procedures done for cultural reasons. One is definitely less onerous than the other, but then you are arguing degrees?
Ishmael_X Most child abuse is perpetrated by relations or close friends?
How would we know? The only evidence would be successful prosecutions, and we now know that large subsections of the community have had de facto immunity from prosecution for decades. If you don't understand that point you really, really have got to stop calling other people stupid.
"BBC (new) - "A woman has been arrested at Heathrow Airport for conspiracy to commit female genital mutilation (FGM)."
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
I don't know about the latter point but it's not called circumcision because it is no such thing. There can be medical reasons for removing the foreskin. There are no medical reasons for slicing off a woman's labia, clitoris and sowing up her vagina to prevent menstrual blood being expelled. That's why it's called mutilation.
That's utter hypocrisy. MGM is just as bad as FGM in fact as most MGM is carried out without anaesthesia it could be considered worse. Both have significant impacts on sexual performance and enjoyment and no medical justification whatsoever.
You obviously have no idea what a clitoris is, if you think the two are in any way comparable. Can't say I'm surprised.
Genital mutilation is obviously compatible. There exist studies showing that the desensitisation of the glans significantly impacts male sexual enjoyment following MGM and that it also has an impact on female enjoyment (hence "ribbed for her pleasure).
"Your curious tendency to downplay the severity of crimes against women shows up twice in that one post by the way. Careful."
'Survivors' is used for both sexes. In fact the person who I think is behind its use is a man who deliberately uses it several times in every interview and who describes himself as a 'survivor'
That last point is simply not true. There are medical reasons for removing the foreskin and the operation is done in hospital under anaesthetic by surgeons. I know men to whom this has happened.
There are medical reasons for removing arms, legs, lungs, etc. But that doesn't provide any justification or medical need to remove arms, legs, lungs, etc from infants.
Jeez. When did England become really quite mediocre. On this basis they might not make it out of their group in the World Cup.
The Welsh are just flat track bullies - at Twickenham when it matters in 8 months, they'll lose by a double figure margin. England have a very easy draw, and shouldn't have to face NZ or RSA until the final, so even without being world beaters they *should* make the final.
@Ishmael_X Both (except for medical reasons) are unnecessary procedures done for cultural reasons. One is definitely less onerous than the other, but then you are arguing degrees?
Christ on a bike.
Having your clitoris cut off is functionally equivalent to having your entire dick cut off.
The other night I posted how whenever IS would execute a Western woman that they held captive that we'd ratchet up the outrage just a bit more.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
ISIS's big plan is to kill a western woman IN THE WEST, and in the most barbaric and spectacular fashion. I have the details. I'm not going to divulge, but they are truly horrific, and mesmerising in their display of sadistic imagination.
Security services are aware, and are warning the presumed targets.
That would be 200 million women as potential targets, can you be more specific?
My girlfriend is a policewoman.
There can only be so much thay can happen before we take real action, or at least I hope that is the case.
And just what action do you think The West can take? Let alone what a second rate backwater like the UK can do.
You clearly love your country!
The UK is not "my country". And even if it were, I fail to see how tokenistic power projection has any bearing on one's "love" for country.
Fair enough, thought PB was dominated by Brits. Anyway, I was referring to your description of the UK as a backwater, rather than anything to do with power projection.
"There are medical reasons for removing arms, legs, lungs, etc. But that doesn't provide any justification or medical need to remove arms, legs, lungs, etc from infants."
I think that is ample justification for my mohel (person who performs circumcision on infants) joke......
Man goes into a shop and asks for a lb of apples.....
"Sorry sir but we don't sell apples. We're mohels"
"Well why the Hell is your window full of apples?"
@Ishmael_X I am pretty sure by now what it involves, but you scream about one culture while ignoring the others. You are therefore arguing about degrees of the same thing. Why do they practise female genital mutilation? Dunno, why does Judaism, and Islam mandate it should only be done to males?
It appears to me that Labour is starting to mimick UKIP. They and UKIP both have some other policies ( not too sure what they are of course) but Labour like UKIP are now becoming seen almost as single issue party on the NHS UKIP of course for BREXIT and now Labour in relation to the NHS because there is little else they can talk about and be considered credible.
Labour have already this far out retired to the NHS comfort zone which for me is telling. I can't see any single issue party doing well with electorate so Labour needs to break out before the main hustings begin Or become perceived as just that. I don't believe they can at such a late stage and they stand a good chance of being monsterd in the final month when the voters will look closely.
The NHS is safe in our hands, 3 months to save the NHS and 24 hours to save the NHS just isn't going to cut the mustard even on their strongest area.
UKIP have voiced their dismay with the conduct of South Yorkshire Police with regards to today's long standing visit by Nigel Farage to the Rotherham campaign shop opening which was disrupted by the Socialist Workers Party, the TUSC and several former Labour Party Councillors creating several serious public safety issues.
UKIP have voiced their dismay with the conduct of South Yorkshire Police with regards to today's long standing visit by Nigel Farage to the Rotherham campaign shop opening which was disrupted by the Socialist Workers Party, the TUSC and several former Labour Party Councillors creating several serious public safety issues.
South Yorkshire Police is an utter embarrasment - still they keep on top of their game for minor motoring offences.
"There are medical reasons for removing arms, legs, lungs, etc. But that doesn't provide any justification or medical need to remove arms, legs, lungs, etc from infants."
I think that is ample justification for my mohel (person who performs circumcision on infants) joke......
Man goes into a shop and asks for a lb of apples.....
"Sorry sir but we don't sell apples. We're mohels"
"Well why the Hell is your window full of apples?"
"Well what do you want us to put in our window?"
My joke:
A Mohel is retiring , and the last parent asked what he did with the foreskins after the removal.
The Mohel proudly shows him a small wallet. "I have saved them over the years and sewn them together to make this"
The parent: "its not much to show for decades of work..."
The Mohel "But if you rub it, it turns into a suitcase!"
UKIP have voiced their dismay with the conduct of South Yorkshire Police with regards to today's long standing visit by Nigel Farage to the Rotherham campaign shop opening which was disrupted by the Socialist Workers Party, the TUSC and several former Labour Party Councillors creating several serious public safety issues.
A scathing attack on the incompetent South Yorkshire police force.
Harriet Harman took the time to retweet the following:
I have no love for UKIP and my assessment of Farage is not really suitable for a family site but that farce in Rotherham today is frankly unacceptable.
I am bewildered that SYP have not been completely disbanded yet. They are a national embarrassment and now they are willing to tolerate the cancellation of the democratic process because doing even one part of their job is apparently too much trouble. Other than boosting the local community with their generous pensions and payoffs what are they for?
Here is an excellent story from The Week: the young Tom Stoppard applied to the Evening Standard for the Westminster correspondent job. The editor says "OK, you say you are interested in politics. Who's the Home Secretary?
Stoppard: Look, I said I was interested, not obsessed.
"And what was our “Champion” doing on the day the Jay report was published? Given the council already likely had intimations of what the report contained, it would have been all hands on deck. Champion would be familiarising herself with the material and preparing for press and constituent enquiries, right? Er, she was campaigning on behalf of Palestine."
But I suppose it doesn't really matter as its not a Rotherham issue its a national issue. 1400 girls is not an issue when 1 million have been abused.
The old one's are the best.....Incidentally if anyone wants to read a VERY funny book on growing up in a devout home in New York read 'Foreskin's Lament' by Shalom Auslander. It's an unfortunate title if you like reading when you travel because people always look at the title and it needs explaining but it's seriously funny.
You are surely not suggesting that they might have a vested interest in stopping someone who wanted to speak about one of the most horrendous criminal justice failures in our history that just happens to have occurred on their patch are you?
No, BBC, it wasn't. It was boring and averag,e at best, with too many errors, too much kicking.
Why do they have to hype everything? Norks.
Two tries A conversion Three penalties A last minute drop goal
I've seen worse
Quite - first part of the half was better than the second, but it was not boring in any conceivable way, and lord knows the 6 Nations has in its time provided enough genuine stinkers to be able to tell the difference.
You are surely not suggesting that they might have a vested interest in stopping someone who wanted to speak about one of the most horrendous criminal justice failures in our history that just happens to have occurred on their patch are you?
"Here is an excellent story from The Week: the young Tom Stoppard applied to the Evening Standard........"
A nice tale. I liked this from Alan Bennett........
"Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."
You are surely not suggesting that they might have a vested interest in stopping someone who wanted to speak about one of the most horrendous criminal justice failures in our history that just happens to have occurred on their patch are you?
SWP: still useful idiots.
I did love the printed banners all displaying "STOP BIGATRY".
The media need to understand what a protest is and not call it a protest when it's a party political move by a handful of volunteers.
Of course genuine protest often becomes "baying mob of cybernats".
No, BBC, it wasn't. It was boring and averag,e at best, with too many errors, too much kicking.
Why do they have to hype everything? Norks.
Two tries A conversion Three penalties A last minute drop goal
I've seen worse
Quite - first part of the half was better than the second, but it was not boring in any conceivable way, and lord knows the 6 Nations has in its time provided enough genuine stinkers to be able to tell the difference.
As a Scot I live in hope that some of the exciting play by Glasgow might mean that we will score more than 1 try in the tournament this year.
Sarah Champion, MP for Rotherham, has this week handed in a petition to Parliament calling for the right to prevent or relocate demonstrations from the town centre... Over the past 12 months there have been a number of marches through Rotherham, particularly by far-right groups, which have had a huge impact on the town. Small businesses have suffered lost income, with their shops being inaccessible during the demonstrations...
No, BBC, it wasn't. It was boring and averag,e at best, with too many errors, too much kicking.
Why do they have to hype everything? Norks.
Two tries A conversion Three penalties A last minute drop goal
I've seen worse
Quite - first part of the half was better than the second, but it was not boring in any conceivable way, and lord knows the 6 Nations has in its time provided enough genuine stinkers to be able to tell the difference.
As a Scot I live in hope that some of the exciting play by Glasgow might mean that we will score more than 1 try in the tournament this year.
Scotland has been "on the verge of breaking through" for at least the last 6 seasons.
You are surely not suggesting that they might have a vested interest in stopping someone who wanted to speak about one of the most horrendous criminal justice failures in our history that just happens to have occurred on their patch are you?
SWP: still useful idiots.
I did love the printed banners all displaying "STOP BIGATRY".
The media need to understand what a protest is and not call it a protest when it's a party political move by a handful of volunteers.
Of course genuine protest often becomes "baying mob of cybernats".
SeanT Yes, I can, in all the cases, nobody seems to have noticed it going on. It isn't that one racial or cultural type is involved, it is the fact that they get away with it for years, and often "scot free" that worries me. Feel free to rant on though?
That's not a pub fight where someone has been glassed in the wee hours of the morning in Glasgow - the man dragged the poor lad back to his house to continue the assault.
Does the judge have cotton wool for brains ? Or are the sentencing guidelines ridiculously lenient ?
"For rounding, you could call that 200,000 victims in the last 10 years or so. Depressingly, that sounds entirely plausible to me."
How many of those would you be responsible for Sean?
These events came to light with prosecutions several years ago, back in 2010 I think. Someone is being tried in Oxford at the moment over crimes committed between 1996 and about 2006 I think.
Not being privy to the facts of the case makes comment on the sentence pretty much invalid. If it is too lenient the Fiscal can appeal the sentence and if this is the case, hopefully they will.
"There are medical reasons for removing arms, legs, lungs, etc. But that doesn't provide any justification or medical need to remove arms, legs, lungs, etc from infants."
I think that is ample justification for my mohel (person who performs circumcision on infants) joke......
Man goes into a shop and asks for a lb of apples.....
"Sorry sir but we don't sell apples. We're mohels"
"Well why the Hell is your window full of apples?"
"Well what do you want us to put in our window?"
My joke:
A Mohel is retiring , and the last parent asked what he did with the foreskins after the removal.
The Mohel proudly shows him a small wallet. "I have saved them over the years and sewn them together to make this"
The parent: "its not much to show for decades of work..."
The Mohel "But if you rub it, it turns into a suitcase!"
Far be it for me to point out the incompetence of our judiciary, or indeed our noble boys in blue. But the scales of justice can be adjusted (the poor woman is blind and so never notices)
No, BBC, it wasn't. It was boring and averag,e at best, with too many errors, too much kicking.
Why do they have to hype everything? Norks.
Two tries A conversion Three penalties A last minute drop goal
I've seen worse
Quite - first part of the half was better than the second, but it was not boring in any conceivable way, and lord knows the 6 Nations has in its time provided enough genuine stinkers to be able to tell the difference.
Perhaps I was being a little harsh, as I am tired of England being so inconsistent, given their resources, but it was certainly not a "terrific half of rugby".
Entertaining, in parts, but overly erratic is the kindest description.
And it's gone boring again.
And back to exciting again. An inconsistent game, I'll grant that.
That's not a pub fight where someone has been glassed in the wee hours of the morning in Glasgow - the man dragged the poor lad back to his house to continue the assault.
Does the judge have cotton wool for brains ? Or are the sentencing guidelines ridiculously lenient ?
Which is it ?
That's impossible to say without full details of the trial and conclusion and a legal opinion on how appropriate the sentence was in terms of sentencing guidelines and discussion of the appropriateness of the guidelines.
The Mail doesn't appear to have taken any legal advice and doesn't appear to make any comment on the sentencing guidelines. As such it is impossible to make a reasonable assessment outside of horror at the pictures presented.
I have no love for UKIP and my assessment of Farage is not really suitable for a family site but that farce in Rotherham today is frankly unacceptable.
I am bewildered that SYP have not been completely disbanded yet. They are a national embarrassment and now they are willing to tolerate the cancellation of the democratic process because doing even one part of their job is apparently too much trouble. Other than boosting the local community with their generous pensions and payoffs what are they for?
Being a Conservative I suggest you ask Home Secretary Theresa May and Police Minister Mike Penning that.
If you google Mike Penning South Yorkshire police Rotherham you get:
@SeanT Sean? Child prostitution, like drugs, has been a trade able commodity since it was made illegal. The same as your local smack dealers, some people have better access to what the customer wants, and as the business grows he recruits those who he/she thinks are trustworthy. Not sure who is heading the cannabis trade these days, but for much the same reasons the Chinese figure quite highly. You make it about whatever you want, but nothing is new.
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And denying all it's other forms, and concentrating on one aspect is either political, or gross stupidity.
It happened in the "celeb world", it happened in childrens homes, it happened with police, politicians and families.
There is where you will find the vast majority of victims, out at the back away from the spotlight of the terminally stupid.
(present company excepted of course)
Erm...You do realise I copied and pasted Richard N's post and reversed it to make a point about the power (or in fact uselessness) of PB Tory anecdote??
Like shooting fish in a barrel is about right Ishmael.
My advice: Have a drink and enjoy the rugby.
Turns out she may be dead already. IS claims that a Kayla Mueller, an American woman they were holding was killed in a Jordanian airstrike. Whether this is true or not we can't tell but perhaps if she is she avoided the video taped fate that was planned for her. It has been known for some time that she was held but the usual media blackout protected the fact from public view.
Have no doubt, they were saving her killing as part of their PR strategy.
There are others.
That's a direct quote from Tower Hamlets Bangladeshi restaurant owner Azmal Hussein.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11390257/Voter-fraud.-Animal-abuse.-FGM.-Here.-In-our-country..html
Reading local news sources it is very apparent third world politics has engulfed Rotherham. The Labour party are in a real mess there.
http://pando.com/2014/10/26/the-biggest-cia-drug-money-scandal-you-never-read/
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/02/better_than_bourne_who_really_killed_nick_deak/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSMfrfpj9FQ
"Unfortunately they picked an innocent man as the scapegoat."
I heard someone from the DPP try to justify the prosecution. I know they say the prosecuting service is made up of failed lawyers but by any standards she was hopeless. A doctor who was on before her described the prosecution as showing an extraordinary ignorance of medical practice. You'd think at least they could find a free lance doctor who knew where to look.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2814044/Ruzwana-Bashir-parents-didn-t-want-abuser.html
"I thought you guys usually just blamed the product"
And not with good reason!
And your father was a great writer?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/grooming-uk-sex-asian-gang-503122
So its not just a case of crimes against white girls being ignored.
They will succeed if they wish to go ahead. Secondly it is no more different than how they've killed in Iraq and Syria in their method whilst we stood idly by. Killing is killing and we need to get over it.
We need to spend less time on their propaganda work, sensationalising it with hyperbole and deal with their military approach at source. Right now the Jordanians are doing what needs doing, bombing their strongholds, no nancy boy talk about alienation or selective assassination. Jordan does now how to do repressive action and if it keeps it up it might actually have an effect.
Contrary to what the half wits in the Western corridors of power would have you believe, reducing a opposition held town or city progressively to rubble is a viable military approach if done properly. If that is the Jordanian approach then it has more sense to it than anything the West is doing in the region right now.
Edit: One final note, the security services are aware of certain target profiles (e.g. professions or types) and named people. Right now, they actually have limited nailed down intelligence on the critical aspects, when, where, who.
Anyone got any idea who gives these things their emotive names? It used to be called female circumcision. Same with victims of sex abuse now being known bizarrely as 'survivors'. I wondered whether it was something like AA where they choose odd sounding phrases to give their rituals heft.
Nice stadium though.
I have little doubt the tendency to want to commit paedophilia is evenly distributed across races. The thing is, we have robust laws against paedophilia which frighten off the majority of would-be paedophiles from doing anything about it. Therefore it is concentrated among groups who have unusual opportunities to get away with it (the rich and powerful, the runners of care homes, the clergy, and privileged racial minorities). To say that "the vast majority of victims" are elsewhere is ludicrous, because if Sean's figure which we seem to be accepting is a "tiny minority" (or whatever the inverse of vast majority is), that gives a count of more victims than there are actual children in the country. It is tripe that the majority of child abusers are white, because such a claim can only be made on the basis of successful prosecutions and a large number of non-whites have had an effective immunity from prosecution for the last thirty years.
The US folds on the Ukraine and accepts the Russian proposal of federation. The question is whether federation is still acceptable to the rebels after all the bloodshed and if the US and Kiev can be trusted (or indeed if the neo Nazi paramilitaries would accept it)? Make no mistake though, it is military victory that has brought the US to the negotiating table.
I mean I have absolutely no doubt that @SeanT knows 10, 20, 30 perhaps more people of Pakistani heritage none of whom he would ever think somehow had paedophile predilections just on account of that heritage. And none of which are paedophiles regardless, I would bet.
But he feels free to use racial stereotypes when the evidence of the opposite is staring him in the face. He was the same with the jews controlling the money and power.
It is a convenient, simplistic, lazy and deeply misguided view that, frankly, one would have thought he was too intelligent to adopt.
Your curious tendency to downplay the severity of crimes against women shows up twice in that one post by the way. Careful.
Most child abuse is perpetrated by relations or close friends?
Oh, And you sir are a pedantophile!
And its seeming prevalence in a number of places and a variety of institutions (politics, entertainment, children's homes, the church) means that there's no easy general scapegoat. You'd have thought that the right would be making hay out of Rotherham, but then the vile actions of the council concerned seem not solely based on their ludicrous misapplication of political correctness but appear as symptoms of a wider malaise - police not taking allegations seriously and authorities taking the path of least resistance whenever faced with doing something that might cause a tremendous fuss.
It means an awful lot of powerful people accepting that they acted in a way that was fairly shameful and was at best willfully negligent.
An interesting juxtapositions was with the renewed focus on the Thorpe trial, where the cover-up wasn't so much a Watergate style conspiracy, but a succession of favours, arse-coverings and convenient memory lapses that ensured the truth was shrouded in mystery. You can easily see how this way of operating, which it seems has been to varying degrees a hallmark of all levels of the political and administrative class, allows sex offenders - known to be among the most devious criminals, to thrive in various different contexts - whether that's alleged goings on in Westminster or officials who are supposed to be protecting kids turning a blind eye in Rotherham.
It probably started out for hygiene reasons, especially in hot and arid climes.
After that, it becomes religious, and symbol.
Are we humans thick or what?
My theory is that we are not evolved enough for logical thought, we are far to busy sharpening even pointier sticks.
FGM is not done under anaesthesia. It is done by a knife. The conditions under which it is done abroad are appalling. Girls have died. Infection is caused and can cause life-long harm.
The removal of a woman's genitals prevents any sexual enjoyment. Having the vagina torn open for a man to penetrate her is pretty unpleasant and sex generally will be horrible. It can affect childbirth. In addition, the accumulation of menstrual blood inside the body causes not only acute pain but can lead to cysts developing internally which if they burst are life-threatening. Menstruation is painful enough without this. The consequences for girls suffering this are horrendous and last all their life.
I'm sure any circumcised men on here can opine on whether they have suffered something equivalent or on their sex lives, if they so choose.
Both (except for medical reasons) are unnecessary procedures done for cultural reasons.
One is definitely less onerous than the other, but then you are arguing degrees?
"Your curious tendency to downplay the severity of crimes against women shows up twice in that one post by the way. Careful."
'Survivors' is used for both sexes. In fact the person who I think is behind its use is a man who deliberately uses it several times in every interview and who describes himself as a 'survivor'
It seems I was unfair to call you stupid, you have just led a sheltered and naive life.
Apologies.
Having your clitoris cut off is functionally equivalent to having your entire dick cut off.
Onerous, indeed.
Though one could make the argument it should only be done for medical reasons as it was in my case.
And that's probably the most personal thing I'll post on the internet ever !
https://twitter.com/ukhomeoffice/status/563719739512733696
"There are medical reasons for removing arms, legs, lungs, etc. But that doesn't provide any justification or medical need to remove arms, legs, lungs, etc from infants."
I think that is ample justification for my mohel (person who performs circumcision on infants) joke......
Man goes into a shop and asks for a lb of apples.....
"Sorry sir but we don't sell apples. We're mohels"
"Well why the Hell is your window full of apples?"
"Well what do you want us to put in our window?"
You had your clitoris removed for medical reasons?!!
I am pretty sure by now what it involves, but you scream about one culture while ignoring the others.
You are therefore arguing about degrees of the same thing.
Why do they practise female genital mutilation? Dunno, why does Judaism, and Islam mandate it should only be done to males?
Labour have already this far out retired to the NHS comfort zone which for me is telling. I can't see any single issue party doing well with electorate so Labour needs to break out before the main hustings begin Or become perceived as just that. I don't believe they can at such a late stage and they stand a good chance of being monsterd in the final month when the voters will look closely.
The NHS is safe in our hands, 3 months to save the NHS and 24 hours to save the NHS just isn't going to cut the mustard even on their strongest area.
UKIP have voiced their dismay with the conduct of South Yorkshire Police with regards to today's long standing visit by Nigel Farage to the Rotherham campaign shop opening which was disrupted by the Socialist Workers Party, the TUSC and several former Labour Party Councillors creating several serious public safety issues.
A Mohel is retiring , and the last parent asked what he did with the foreskins after the removal.
The Mohel proudly shows him a small wallet. "I have saved them over the years and sewn them together to make this"
The parent: "its not much to show for decades of work..."
The Mohel "But if you rub it, it turns into a suitcase!"
Harriet Harman took the time to retweet the following:
But as yet silence on Rotherham.
I am bewildered that SYP have not been completely disbanded yet. They are a national embarrassment and now they are willing to tolerate the cancellation of the democratic process because doing even one part of their job is apparently too much trouble. Other than boosting the local community with their generous pensions and payoffs what are they for?
Of course, the enormo-haddock blog is scrupulously honest, and says when the race has been a bit rubbish.
Nigel Farage: Rotherham police are 'wilfully obstructive' - via @Telegraph http://fw.to/I0wrurl
A conversion
Three penalties
A last minute drop goal
I've seen worse
Stoppard: Look, I said I was interested, not obsessed.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/06/rotherhams-mp-sarah-champion-is-a-desperate-chancer/
At least her priorities are straight: But I suppose it doesn't really matter as its not a Rotherham issue its a national issue. 1400 girls is not an issue when 1 million have been abused.
The old one's are the best.....Incidentally if anyone wants to read a VERY funny book on growing up in a devout home in New York read 'Foreskin's Lament' by Shalom Auslander. It's an unfortunate title if you like reading when you travel because people always look at the title and it needs explaining but it's seriously funny.
SWP: still useful idiots.
**Innocent face**
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-27132856
Or doesn't that count?
Two men are being hunted by police after teenage cadets were threatened with beheading outside a Tyneside Army reserve base.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/cctv-released-after-beheading-threat-8590775
A nice tale. I liked this from Alan Bennett........
"Peter (Cook) never had any regrets in his life. I never heard him voice any regrets. He didn't regret the fact that he lost his early facility, he didn't regret the fact that he lost his looks, which he did quite spectacularly, he didn't regret the fact that Dudley had gone on to fame and fortune in Hollywood. The only regret he regularly voiced was that, at the house we all shared in Fairfield, Connecticut in 1963, he'd saved David Frost from drowning."
The media need to understand what a protest is and not call it a protest when it's a party political move by a handful of volunteers.
Of course genuine protest often becomes "baying mob of cybernats".
However, Sarah Champion finds it hilarious when a rent-a-mob tries to silence a major political party.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2942717/Good-Samaritan-teenager-left-dead-battered-face-multiple-fractures-beaten-man-stopped-help.html?ito=social-facebook
Yes, I can, in all the cases, nobody seems to have noticed it going on.
It isn't that one racial or cultural type is involved, it is the fact that they get away with it for years, and often "scot free" that worries me.
Feel free to rant on though?
Does the judge have cotton wool for brains ? Or are the sentencing guidelines ridiculously lenient ?
Which is it ?
But the scales of justice can be adjusted (the poor woman is blind and so never notices)
The Mail doesn't appear to have taken any legal advice and doesn't appear to make any comment on the sentencing guidelines. As such it is impossible to make a reasonable assessment outside of horror at the pictures presented.
If you google Mike Penning South Yorkshire police Rotherham you get:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=uA_VVI-FFNfCVMWGgoAM&gws_rd=ssl#q=mike+penning+south+yorkshire+police+rotherham
Been active hasn't he !!! The third link provided, at least to me, is to a comment I posted at UKPR.
"She is jointly charged with Kareem Ahmed, 30, from Manor, Sheffield, of trafficking a ninth victim within the UK for sexual exploitation.
John MacLachlan, 66, of Sheffield and Lee Unwin, 27, of Nethergreen, Sheffield deny paying for the sexual services of a child.
Bashdar Hamadamin, 27, of Burngreave, Sheffield denies rape."
There's SeanT shot down in flames.
Are you in training for some kind of The World's Dimmest Virgin contest this evening?
Sean? Child prostitution, like drugs, has been a trade able commodity since it was made illegal.
The same as your local smack dealers, some people have better access to what the customer wants, and as the business grows he recruits those who he/she thinks are trustworthy.
Not sure who is heading the cannabis trade these days, but for much the same reasons the Chinese figure quite highly.
You make it about whatever you want, but nothing is new.