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  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    FPT - @Pulpstar "I like Lutfur Rahman, 6-4 winner against Ladbrokes :)"

    I was on that too but a general election run would be very different and I think Labour would hold on to both seats even with such an intervention (if one happened in the end).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Wonder if this is telling...

    Con Leader £25k matched betfair

    Labour leader £7,900 matched.

    A pointer to the election, Conservatives betting more than Labourites ?

    Both ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    Horrific news from the Middle East and confirms ISIS as the most barbarous group of our age. Jordan is to execute all prisoners connected to ISIS in response, some may be tempted to say we restore the death penalty for anyone committing treason and attempting to leave our shores to join them or return home from ISIS territory
  • Nice one, Marf!

    Although I did get a surprisingly positive response when I said that May 7th/8th should be blocked out in the Nabavi household diary.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Nice one, Marf!

    Although I did get a surprisingly positive response when I said that May 7th/8th should be blocked out in the Nabavi household diary.

    Presumably the response was informed by the fact that your summer holiday this year depends on results going well ;)
  • 55 days until Parliament is dissolved, and MPs are released to roam free across the country.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    55 days until Parliament is dissolved, and MPs are released to roam free across the country.

    I am campaigning for them to be stunned before they face re-election.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if this is telling...

    Con Leader £25k matched betfair

    Labour leader £7,900 matched.

    A pointer to the election, Conservatives betting more than Labourites ?

    Both ?

    Not sure about that - I've noticed that people like betting on leadership contests on the opposing side (which they usually get wrong, but that's another matter). Also, a betting market which seems imminent will attract more money than one which seems remote, which suggests punters are expecting Cameron to go before Miliband.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited February 2015
    Neil said:

    Nice one, Marf!

    Although I did get a surprisingly positive response when I said that May 7th/8th should be blocked out in the Nabavi household diary.

    Presumably the response was informed by the fact that your summer holiday this year depends on results going well ;)
    Luckily my licence to carry out political betting has been extended following a review of the financial performance to date.

    Mind you, I'm sure it can be revoked at any time.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if this is telling...

    Con Leader £25k matched betfair

    Labour leader £7,900 matched.

    A pointer to the election, Conservatives betting more than Labourites ?

    Both ?

    In the case of the Conservative market, would it include all bets matched since Cameron became leader in 2005?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    Young ladies in Norwich ?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,410
    edited February 2015
    @Neil On the basis of this graph I suggest you head to Norwich South for the election !


    That £3.22 with Paddy Power on the greens isn't going to win without your help.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    EVEL held the attention of the public not so long ago, but he was doing some cunning stunts on a motorbike.

    http://evelknievel.com/the-man/
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    On any other day I would laugh with Marf.

    But the burning alive of the Jordanian pilot has shown that Islamists like IS and Hamas are a cancer that will swallow the west if they continue to do nothing against them. Britain and Europe are the first targets, and are already being softened up for sharia heaven.

    And Moslems must also realise that if they continue to support the Islamists, in their hearts, they too, will end up being victims of this evil, just like that poor pilot.

    Time for all those pro multiculturalism fanatics to wake up and smell, not the coffee, but the blood that is already being spilled.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    SeanT Given today's news I would suggest the average voter would suggest it should be a capital crime!
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    OT Hmmmm it's easy to sneer but I feel this issue may grow towards May, especially as the prospect of MiliSalmond coalition begins to loom..
  • Mr. Socrates, indeed, but the very fact they thought being a member of Al-Qaeda or ISIS was ok a few weeks ago is indicative of being naive to the point of idiocy.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    The status of the citizens' wage policy hasnt changed either as a result of Andrew Neil or anyone else.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Pulpstar said:

    @Neil On the basis of this graph I suggest you head to Norwich South for the election !


    That £3.22 with Paddy Power on the greens isn't going to win without your help.

    But I told everyone it wasnt a winner so I hardly want to go there and help prove myself wrong!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:

    Mr. Socrates, indeed, but the very fact they thought being a member of Al-Qaeda or ISIS was ok a few weeks ago is indicative of being naive to the point of idiocy.

    The Greens are like the useful idiots in the West who supported Stalin and Mao. They're not actively malignant, nor stupid, but they are wilfully and dangerously naive. The left's tolerance of Islamofascism has been one of the crucial intellectual disasters of the last two decades.
    Amazingly there were left wing South Koreans in the 1970s and 1980s who supported the DPRK. It's incredible how idiotically naive some people can be.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5177/no-go-zones-britain

    European 'No-Go' Zones: Fact or Fiction?
    Part 2: Britain

    There seems to be no will, no way
    To save our land from this decay.
    Brought on by years of deep subversion
    By traitors steeped in red perversion.

    Now, conjoining with Islam’s ambition,
    Through infiltration and sedition
    They wage a war of cold attrition:
    The ‘road to bottomless perdition’.

    F.P

    Don't hide your heads in the sand.The stories above will open your eyes.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    SeanT I think it finally took an attack on one of their own, the leftwing satirists at Charlie Hebdo, for the left to realise that accepting groups which put homosexuals to death, flog those committed of adultery and execute blasphemers may not be such a good idea!
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Oh dear, uncomfortable truths are starting to be said in parliament now:

    http://order-order.com/2015/02/03/peer-100000-british-muslims-sympathise-with-terrorists/
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    The status of the citizens' wage policy hasnt changed either as a result of Andrew Neil or anyone else.

    What you mean it will never be implemented in a million years? Make you right
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Neil said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    The status of the citizens' wage policy hasnt changed either as a result of Andrew Neil or anyone else.

    What you mean it will never be implemented in a million years? Make you right
    I'd offer a £50 bet that it would be implemented in a million years but...

  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Oh dear, uncomfortable truths are starting to be said in parliament now:

    by that guy's maths there are 400,000 'undecideds'

    Do I agree with homosexuals being stoned and prisoners burned alive without trial??

    Oh I don;t know....tricky....
  • 55 days until Parliament is dissolved, and MPs are released to roam free across the country.

    God help us.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    taffys said:


    Do I agree with homosexuals being stoned and prisoners burned alive without trial??

    The gays will be happy to get stoned but surely we must insist on due process in this day and age?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    I believe you get a fridge magnet and a DIY female circumcision set.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Shall I put you down as a maybe?

  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    HYUFD said:

    SeanT I think it finally took an attack on one of their own, the leftwing satirists at Charlie Hebdo, for the left to realise that accepting groups which put homosexuals to death, flog those committed of adultery and execute blasphemers may not be such a good idea!

    Not at all. Large parts of the left still embrace multiculturalism which is an open door for the Islamists and their supporters to walk through.

    Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction. Matthew 7:13
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Tell you what. If I was a Brit pilot doing bombing runs over ISIS I'd be....

    Buying my mechanic teams many pints, and making sure there was one in the chamber of my pistol.

    No point getting captured.
  • nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    edited February 2015
    MikeK said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT I think it finally took an attack on one of their own, the leftwing satirists at Charlie Hebdo, for the left to realise that accepting groups which put homosexuals to death, flog those committed of adultery and execute blasphemers may not be such a good idea!

    Not at all. Large parts of the left still embrace multiculturalism which is an open door for the Islamists and their supporters to walk through.

    Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction. Matthew 7:13
    People like Smithson with his smug remark to Socrates are to blame with the nightmare the West is facing.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    ‘Obviously [Islamic State] and al-Qaeda are hideous terrorist organisations that advocate and support violence. If you are involved in them, support them in any way, then you are participating in inciting violence, that’s a crime, rightly, and should be pursued to the full extent of the law.’

    -- Natalie Bennett
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    MikeK But their version of multiculturalism includes the right to criticise religion, including Islam
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    Greens having a policy on ISIS is irrelevant - why even bother. Like a Kipper policy on organic produce.
  • EVEL as a thread piece - more thrilling than AV, more engaging than Indyref!

    Mike, u r spoiling us.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624

    MikeK said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT I think it finally took an attack on one of their own, the leftwing satirists at Charlie Hebdo, for the left to realise that accepting groups which put homosexuals to death, flog those committed of adultery and execute blasphemers may not be such a good idea!

    Not at all. Large parts of the left still embrace multiculturalism which is an open door for the Islamists and their supporters to walk through.

    Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction. Matthew 7:13
    People like Smithson with his smug remark to Socrates are to blame with the nightmare the West is facing.
    Are we discussing me or my father? Just to know before I get all uppity...
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited February 2015
    Socrates said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    ‘Obviously [Islamic State] and al-Qaeda are hideous terrorist organisations that advocate and support violence. If you are involved in them, support them in any way, then you are participating in inciting violence, that’s a crime, rightly, and should be pursued to the full extent of the law.’

    -- Natalie Bennett
    (1) That is not inconsistent with the Green party's policy (I mean, how could it be, who on earth would disagree with that?).
    (2) The Green party is a democratic party whose policy is set at policy making conferences attended by members not press conferences attended by the leader.

  • Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    Judging by some of the ways they are getting members they will be offering it free every time you buy £50 worth of petrol next.
  • rcs1000 said:

    MikeK said:

    HYUFD said:

    SeanT I think it finally took an attack on one of their own, the leftwing satirists at Charlie Hebdo, for the left to realise that accepting groups which put homosexuals to death, flog those committed of adultery and execute blasphemers may not be such a good idea!

    Not at all. Large parts of the left still embrace multiculturalism which is an open door for the Islamists and their supporters to walk through.

    Wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction. Matthew 7:13
    People like Smithson with his smug remark to Socrates are to blame with the nightmare the West is facing.
    Are we discussing me or my father? Just to know before I get all uppity...
    Your father, as I said his glib remark is the type that has stifled debate and landed us where we are now.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Wonder if this is telling...

    Con Leader £25k matched betfair

    Labour leader £7,900 matched.

    A pointer to the election, Conservatives betting more than Labourites ?

    Both ?

    Not sure about that - I've noticed that people like betting on leadership contests on the opposing side (which they usually get wrong, but that's another matter). Also, a betting market which seems imminent will attract more money than one which seems remote, which suggests punters are expecting Cameron to go before Miliband.
    I would very happily bet on a leadership contest for UKIP but I think my heart would rule my head and I would lose money as I have backed the wrong person every time so far.
  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Access to auctions of captured young women, ringside seats at public stonings and the murdering of people by fire, you know the usual stuff that legal organisations offer their membership.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    ‘Obviously [Islamic State] and al-Qaeda are hideous terrorist organisations that advocate and support violence. If you are involved in theould be pursued to the full extent of the law.’

    -- Natalie Bennett
    (1) That is not inconsistent with the Green party's policy (I mean, how could it be, who on earth would disagree with that?).
    (2) The Green party is a democratic party whose policy is set at policy making conferences attended by members not press conferences attended by the leader.

    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited February 2015
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    You are making an enjoyably ridiculous spectacle of yourself. You don't actually know your own party's policy, do you?

    Sadly I actually do know what it is.

    Are you still in favour of internment without trial?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624


    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    I believe it's compulsory.

    Seriously: surely we should be encouraging all sympathisers to click "Join" on the Facebook page? What easier way of gathering intelligence could there be?
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    The Greens are right to say you cannot be locked up for thinking. But joining ISIS is not thought - its action. A young german could think what he liked - but when he joined the SS he knew he was not committing himself to lectures on chicken farming.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited February 2015
    Jordan to execute the woman prisoner tomorrow.

    Not sure what that's supposed to achieve...
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    SeanT said:


    Ergo, the fact Islam has now mutated into a direct threat to liberal values produces a cognitive dissonance in his mind, which cannot be resolved, hence his weird remarks on this question. And to be fair he is hardly alone. I bet most lefties of his generation are hugely confused by this issue.

    This is why people on the left socially accuse people of being bigots or of being "obsessed". They can not actually confront the question being brought up: to admit that Islamic immigration is a threat to liberal values paints a bad picture of a protected group, but to claim that Muslims, on the aggregate, are supporters of liberal values would make them look ridiculous. Thus they need to dodge the question whenever it comes up.

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    sorry Neil I'm Irish, I never quite get your British values,

    are you saying the Greens have a maddish policy they really ought to change but haven't got round to - ie NBs doing it on the hoof - or was it never a party position in the first place and some of the activists have been expressing their own views and claiming it's the Greens policy ?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326
    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

  • saddenedsaddened Posts: 2,245
    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    You are making an enjoyably ridiculous spectacle of yourself. You don't actually know your own party's policy, do you?

    Sadly I actually do know what it is.

    l?
    Care to explain it for the rest of us, because I have no clue what it currently is.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:


    (1) That is not inconsistent with the Green party's policy (I mean, how could it be, who on earth would disagree with that?).
    (2) The Green party is a democratic party whose policy is set at policy making conferences attended by members not press conferences attended by the leader.

    Of course it's inconsistent with the Green party's policy. Bennett said that she believed membership of IS and AQ is participating in inciting violence and the law should be used against these people. The Green's (previous) policy was that membership of such groups is not necessarily inciting violence and should be legal. How is that consistent?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,036
    RodCrosby said:

    Jordan to execute the woman prisoner tomorrow.

    Not sure what that's supposed to achieve...

    Well they won't be able to ask for her again.
  • felix Posts: 1,482
    6:22PM

    I think a Salmo/Milli coalition would be more popular. The case against Milli is that he is not up to the jobby. No-one has ever said that about Salmo - and he can eat a bacon sani!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    I thought that the grant of citizenship was a really thoughtful and impressive response by the French. It's probably what he would have valued the most, but also symbolically a powerful statement.

    Now I need to go and lie down ;-)
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    HYUFD said:

    MikeK But their version of multiculturalism includes the right to criticise religion, including Islam

    But its not their version, or yours, of multiculturalism that will win in the Sharia Heaven that you stare at but sadly, cannot see.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    The Greens are right to say you cannot be locked up for thinking. But joining ISIS is not thought - its action.

    Amazingly I actually agree with you (for perhaps the first time ever). It's also the case that sometimes membership of the organisation is the one thing we can bang some dangerous people up for. What the Green party policy is trying to say is quite subtle but never less than crystal clear that terrorism is abhorrent and that those carrying it out or supporting it in any way should be punished. It's no surprise that the Daily Mail or similar would seek to have their fun with it. It comes with the territory. Anyone thinking this is going to put off many of the tens of thousands of recent joiners is dreaming. They can see through it and think for themselves.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514



    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    The Greens are right to say you cannot be locked up for thinking. But joining ISIS is not thought - its action. A young german could think what he liked - but when he joined the SS he knew he was not committing himself to lectures on chicken farming.
    Himmler's first job was a chicken farmer.

    Heinrich Himmler was born on 7 October 1900 in Munich, the son of a schoolteacher. He served in the German army at the end of World War One and then had a variety of jobs, including working as a chicken farmer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/himmler_heinrich.shtml
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,624
    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    King of Jordan cutting short visit to USA and flying home...
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Socrates said:

    Neil said:


    (1) That is not inconsistent with the Green party's policy (I mean, how could it be, who on earth would disagree with that?).
    (2) The Green party is a democratic party whose policy is set at policy making conferences attended by members not press conferences attended by the leader.

    Of course it's inconsistent with the Green party's policy. Bennett said that she believed membership of IS and AQ is participating in inciting violence and the law should be used against these people. The Green's (previous) policy was that membership of such groups is not necessarily inciting violence and should be legal. How is that consistent?
    You would do well to read what she actually said and not what you wanted her to say. In any case this still doesnt change the fact that policy has not changed this week.

  • rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053



    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about the legality of joining ISIS. So, according to the Green Party of Great Britain, it was OK to support this Satanic Nazi death cult... until tea time on Monday, when it suddenly become a horrible thing. I'm glad that's clear.

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making conference this week so what was policy last week is policy this week. Of course I can see why someone who once advocated internment without trial for all muslim men might have a problem with a party that was committed to British values and was therefore against arbitrary arrest or imprisonment.

    The Greens are right to say you cannot be locked up for thinking. But joining ISIS is not thought - its action. A young german could think what he liked - but when he joined the SS he knew he was not committing himself to lectures on chicken farming.
    Himmler's first job was a chicken farmer.

    Heinrich Himmler was born on 7 October 1900 in Munich, the son of a schoolteacher. He served in the German army at the end of World War One and then had a variety of jobs, including working as a chicken farmer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/himmler_heinrich.shtml
    Whats with the price of turnips,Alanbrook?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    sorry Neil I'm Irish, I never quite get your British values,

    are you saying the Greens have a maddish policy they really ought to change but haven't got round to
    No, I'm saying that the Green party has a very good policy on these issues. In particular there is a strong emphasise on the rights of private citizens against arbitrary arrest and detention or against thought crimes (a positive contrast to how the main parties seek to use terrorism to curtail our rights). I'd perhaps nuance it a tiny bit myself but who can sign up 100% to every policy of the party they belong to? What is happening here is that people are having fun by trying to make out that the Green party is soft on ISIS when any thinking person will know that's obviously not true.

    And with that I am out because I am not the Green party representative to pbc! Night all.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Neil said:

    Socrates said:

    Neil said:


    (1) That is not inconsistent with the Green party's policy (I mean, how could it be, who on earth would disagree with that?).
    (2) The Green party is a democratic party whose policy is set at policy making conferences attended by members not press conferences attended by the leader.

    Of course it's inconsistent with the Green party's policy. Bennett said that she believed membership of IS and AQ is participating in inciting violence and the law should be used against these people. The Green's (previous) policy was that membership of such groups is not necessarily inciting violence and should be legal. How is that consistent?
    You would do well to read what she actually said and not what you wanted her to say. In any case this still doesnt change the fact that policy has not changed this week.

    Which bit did I claim she said and she didn't say? Is Green policy that joining a terrorist organisation is inherently inciting violence or not?
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Neil, Neil, orange peel!

    What's the Green party policy on ISIS?

    *waits impatiently*

    Google it, SeanT. It's there on the website for anyone who wants to read it. You wont like it because it doesnt call for muslims to be locked up without trial but we cant please everyone.

    Night!
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Oh, SeanT, you've run Neil off the page.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
    Which bit of British culture do you feel isolated from right now? Is it the bit of British culture that isn't keen on live burnings-to-death shown on TV and justified by Koranic verses?
    How many Muslims living in Britain have burnt someone alive today? Ooh, none.

    (You need to up your meds and calm down).
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,036
    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
    I thought the LDs did it this way too? Or is this a snarky remark about their poll rating ;)
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited February 2015
    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    Why don't you elaborate? What aspects of British culture would they feel isolated from? The belief that animals should be insulated from pain before their throats are slit and bled out? The belief that people should be able to criticise religions and their founders? I'm sorry but hating extremely evil terrorist groups doesn't equate to being supportive of liberal values.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    MikeK said:



    Neil said:

    TGOHF said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    Well it's been in a lot of the media in recent weeks so I'm guessing a lot.

    Where do you stand, Neil? You "kinda OK-ish" about Brits joining ISIS?
    I'm not sure, do you know what membership benefits they offer?

    Apparently, I am told on Twitter, the Greens officially changed their minds YESTERDAY about

    Your party is a bunch of clowns. The Greens are the bunny-hugging BNP. Wherever they get into office their amateurish stupidity will see them swiftly thrown out again.
    Monday was before ISIS used a fossil fuel to release evil CO2 live on camera.
    SeanT is wrong to say policy has changed in this area. It hasnt. We havent had a policy making

    The Greens are right to say you cannot be locked up for thinking. But joining ISIS is not thought - its action. A young german could think what he liked - but when he joined the SS he knew he was not committing himself to lectures on chicken farming.
    Himmler's first job was a chicken farmer.

    Heinrich Himmler was born on 7 October 1900 in Munich, the son of a schoolteacher. He served in the German army at the end of World War One and then had a variety of jobs, including working as a chicken farmer.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/himmler_heinrich.shtml
    Whats with the price of turnips,Alanbrook?
    Dangerous territory there Mr K, you'll have Flightpath on saying anyone who joined the Nazis did so because they loved red meat and had had enough of bloody vegetarians and their crazy ideas.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    Neil said:



    hmmm

    lost me with that one. So are you saying Greens do support brits joining ISIS ?

    You know the Green party, Alanbrooke, almost as militaristic as your namesake!

    sorry Neil I'm Irish, I never quite get your British values,

    are you saying the Greens have a maddish policy they really ought to change but haven't got round to
    No, I'm saying that the Green party has a very good policy on these issues. In particular there is a strong emphasise on the rights of private citizens against arbitrary arrest and detention or against thought crimes (a positive contrast to how the main parties seek to use terrorism to curtail our rights). I'd perhaps nuance it a tiny bit myself but who can sign up 100% to every policy of the party they belong to? What is happening here is that people are having fun by trying to make out that the Green party is soft on ISIS when any thinking person will know that's obviously not true.

    And with that I am out because I am not the Green party representative to pbc! Night all.
    Bravo bravo. One of the most amusing hours in recent pb history. And now the inevitable flounce!

    I have an image of you marching primly to the exit, dramatically opening the door, and walking straight into the broom cupboard, where you concuss yourself on the ironing board and fall backwards, killing the cat.
    Actually I'm off to the bar to meet someone at 7.30pm but I prefer your image. Mwah!

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    RobD said:

    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
    I thought the LDs did it this way too? Or is this a snarky remark about their poll rating ;)
    I was pretty sure the Liberals disposed of this as it was not "electorally advantageous".
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited February 2015
    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
    So what was Natalie Bennett doing when she said said joining ISIS was inherently inciting violence? Saying her personal views and not those of the party she leads?
  • SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
    Which bit of British culture do you feel isolated from right now? Is it the bit of British culture that isn't keen on live burnings-to-death shown on TV and justified by Koranic verses?

    How exactly is that isolating you? Care to explain?
    Sure I'll explain, can you give me a few minutes to give you a response.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited February 2015
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
    Which bit of British culture do you feel isolated from right now? Is it the bit of British culture that isn't keen on live burnings-to-death shown on TV and justified by Koranic verses?

    How exactly is that isolating you? Care to explain?
    They won't explain. Intellectually honest people put their argument forward and then address the counter-arguments. Intellectually dishonest people put an argument forward and then either avoid the challenges or weasel-word their way round them. rcs1000 and others sometimes make comments on these issues, often alleging or implying that others are bigots, but they'll never actually be willing to put their views to scrutiny, and try to defend them when challenged.

    They'll quite happily criticise UKIP and its supporters, but they will never engage on what they think of the intolerant views about homosexuality, adultery, apostates, corporal punishment, free speech and others that are widespread among Muslims in this country and globally.
  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Socrates said:

    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
    So what was Natalie Bennett doing when she said said joining ISIS was inherently inciting violence? Saying her personal views and not those of the party she leads?
    Sounds like it. And it will be up to her party to decide if that's a matter for censure. Probably they won't. If it's not up for their manifesto she has no response other than personal opinion. Or 650 individual contests if you prefer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,894
    MikeK I never said I supported their position, and we would get a far right government before we all got Sharia
  • 10 seat lead opened up today in ElectionForecast's projection of the GE result:
    Lab 289 vs Con 279
    So far it simply isn't working for Dave & Co. as we move into the critical final 3 month period.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    I thought that the grant of citizenship was a really thoughtful and impressive response by the French. It's probably what he would have valued the most, but also symbolically a powerful statement.

    Now I need to go and lie down ;-)
    There's a report from the ceremony here:
    http://www.metronews.fr/info/lassana-bathily-heros-de-l-attentat-porte-de-vincennes-est-devenu-citoyen-francais/moat!71jeEbbS3M9m/
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,326

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
    TSE: I am as critical as anyone of the vileness of Islamist ideology and terror. But I hope that I try and distinguish between those who choose evil and those who don't. In the end each and every one of us makes a choice between good and evil and if we choose the latter we are responsible, not the ideology, nor the religion nor co-religionists or others from our town or from where our grannies came from nor any other factor.

    I do not know you beyond what I can glean from your comments here. Regardless, I hope you realise that in no sense do I consider you - simply because of your faith - as responsible for or in any sense on a par with those who choose to do evil such as we have read about today. I hope you don't mind me saying this.

    And where people like that French Malian behave with common decency we should honour them. This shouldn't be about Muslims and non-Muslims but about good people and evil people. Evil can be found everywhere, sadly, as we were reminded only last week in Poland.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    Dair said:

    Socrates said:

    isam said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    Interesting analysis of the type of voter who is currently saying they will vote Green and who they typically voted for in 2010 (I expect a lot of the "dnv in 2010" is down to the very young age profile of supporters).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/laurence-stellings/green-party_b_6593244.html

    I believe membership in England and Wales is at 52,000+ now, 60k+ across the UK.

    I wonder how many of these Greens know their own party's policy - that it should be "not be a crime to join ISIS".

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2925596/It-NOT-crime-join-ISIS-says-Green-party-leader-does-not-want-punish-people-think.html
    They've walked that back now I believe. Had they been UKIP, people would be crowing on here about how amateurish they are.
    They don't believe in the citizens wage either now do they?

    Andrew Neil seems to have smashed their manifesto into shape for them
    Yes, done them a world of favours to get this out of the way before debates.
    They've not got it "out the way", that's not how the Green party works.

    The Green party policy list is decided by the membership in a reasonably democratic way and with fairly low thresholds for acceptance. The Executive then select which policies it chooses for its manifesto.

    Again an alien idea to supporters of the Establishment parties but to many a far better way to run a political party.
    So what was Natalie Bennett doing when she said said joining ISIS was inherently inciting violence? Saying her personal views and not those of the party she leads?
    Sounds like it. And it will be up to her party to decide if that's a matter for censure. Probably they won't. If it's not up for their manifesto she has no response other than personal opinion. Or 650 individual contests if you prefer.
    Kudos for actually responding honestly (unlike Neil). However, it seems a bit convenient if their leader can talk in such a way it sounds like Green policy and they don't censure her for misrepresenting their views. It's almost like they want to have their cake and eat it: tell the public one thing and have as their policy another.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    HYUFD said:

    MikeK I never said I supported their position, and we would get a far right government before we all got Sharia

    Well I'm in UKIP to try and get a right wing government, that this country needs and deserves. It will put a stop to creeping islamism for a start, as well as letting in only those immigrants that we need.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    Cyclefree said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    Thank you, Cyclefree.

    My office contains three titular Muslims. All of them are far, far, far more anti-ISIS, anti-Al Quaeda than most of the people on this board. They regard those organisations as things that interfere with their lives, their families and their careers.

    Yet, if they were to read some of the comments on here, I suspect they would feel as isolated from British culture as they do from Muslim culture.
    That sums up my feelings perfectly.
    TSE: I am as critical as anyone of the vileness of Islamist ideology and terror. But I hope that I try and distinguish between those who choose evil and those who don't. In the end each and every one of us makes a choice between good and evil and if we choose the latter we are responsible, not the ideology, nor the religion nor co-religionists or others from our town or from where our grannies came from nor any other factor.

    I do not know you beyond what I can glean from your comments here. Regardless, I hope you realise that in no sense do I consider you - simply because of your faith - as responsible for or in any sense on a par with those who choose to do evil such as we have read about today. I hope you don't mind me saying this.

    And where people like that French Malian behave with common decency we should honour them. This shouldn't be about Muslims and non-Muslims but about good people and evil people. Evil can be found everywhere, sadly, as we were reminded only last week in Poland.
    Great way of putting it. I agree 100%
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited February 2015

    Charles said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Socrates said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    AndyJS said:

    "French soldiers wounded in Nice Jewish centre attack":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31118020

    Same name as one of the Paris attackers. Coulibaly..., but "no link" ??
    Is everyone in the world named 'Crosby' closely related?
    No, but strange, nonetheless.
    Not really.

    'Coulibaly is a common Bambara language surname in West Africa'

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulibaly
    Were the terrorists in France from Malian families?
    It's worth remembering on a day of such horror that the supermarket employee who saved the Jews by hiding them was also from Mali. He has now been given French citizenship in recognition of his humanity and decency.

    I thought that the grant of citizenship was a really thoughtful and impressive response by the French. It's probably what he would have valued the most, but also symbolically a powerful statement.

    Now I need to go and lie down ;-)
    There's a report from the ceremony here:
    http://www.metronews.fr/info/lassana-bathily-heros-de-l-attentat-porte-de-vincennes-est-devenu-citoyen-francais/moat!71jeEbbS3M9m/
    This is the version that the language-impaired amongst can read...

    https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=www.metronews.fr/info/lassana-bathily-heros-de-l-attentat-porte-de-vincennes-est-devenu-citoyen-francais/moat!71jeEbbS3M9m/&edit-text=

  • DairDair Posts: 6,108
    Socrates said:

    Kudos for actually responding honestly (unlike Neil). However, it seems a bit convenient if their leader can talk in such a way it sounds like Green policy and they don't censure her for misrepresenting their views. It's almost like they want to have their cake and eat it: tell the public one thing and have as their policy another.

    As I understand it, they are offering a manifesto, not candidates but leave individuals free to speak on a personal basis on any topic not on the manifesto. Being on the "policy list" does not make something Green Party policy, only the executive can do that by including it on their manifesto.

    If a policy is not in their manifesto they are not offering it (in effect MPs are free to vote as their conscience dictates without a whip). This is regardless of it being on their policy list - only the manifesto "counts". As far as I can tell she has done nothing wrong.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,567
    Great Marf by the way - suspect most of us here have had a scene like that...
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