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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,461
    taffys said:

    Talking of postal votes......

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/28/Millions-Disappear-In-Campaign-Against-Electoral-Fraud

    5 million off the register??

    That seems like a massive amount.

    Where's that article sourcing its figures from?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    UKIP

    15.01%

    Reflecting on a Yorkshire ABL a second prefernce.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    shadsy said:

    That EU budget market refers to the 1st Dec deadline, and should be billions, obv.

    Shadsy as it stands it says "Oct 30th"??
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    shadsy said:

    That EU budget market refers to the 1st Dec deadline, and should be billions, obv.

    In that case I think 5/1 about a payment less than £1.7b is the call.... if you laid me and JonnyJim you'd be on at 1/2 the no payment!
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Where's that article sourcing its figures from?

    That's a good point, it doesn't source the 5 million number. It seems massively high to me. That's voter fraud of mugabean proportions.
  • JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    shadsy said:

    That EU budget market refers to the 1st Dec deadline, and should be billions, obv.

    In that case I think there's some value here. I can't believe Cameron's going to make the full payment by then, that should be more like 100/1 IMO. Which, if I'm right, means that the other two options must have some value in the under 92% book for them
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    taffys said:

    Where's that article sourcing its figures from?

    That's a good point, it doesn't source the 5 million number. It seems massively high to me. That's voter fraud of mugabean proportions.

    Since everyone knows that Breitbart is a Ukip front does anyone really care about JJ's silly point?

    JJ - Academia day was yesterday.
  • Would love to see UKIP win it
    Labour by 7.06%
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834
    UKIP by 3.89% after transfers. Extremely close on the first round with Labour less than 1% ahead.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes · 6h6 hours ago
    Our @WikiGuido asks "Is Cameron plagiarising Carswell?" http://guyfawk.es/1yGfHMM

    "The problem with Cameron lifting his lines is that the public will never see him as Carswell figure. Carswell is anti-establishment, opposing the status quo, fighting vested interests, a maverick seeking radical reform. Cameron is the antithesis of all these things. When Dave tells the voters they are his “boss”, it sounds like a soundbite that they will see straight through.

    Similar is true when it comes to Fallon’s comments on immigration. To be fair to UKIP, even their senior figures would think twice about using such inflammatory rhetoric. As the party’s immigration spokesperson Steven Woolfe said, “Can you imagine what would have been said if we had said that?” Fallon’s remarks sounded more like a clumsy caricature of what clueless Tory ministers think UKIP voters want to hear. In a way, this is even worse than lifting UKIP’s actual words. "
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Must be time for another Rochester poll...
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ukip as an adjective ?

    http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2014/oct/28/tower-of-london-poppies-ukip-remembrance-day

    "The Tower of London poppies are fake, trite and inward-looking – a Ukip-style memorial"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    shadsy said:

    Labour by 9.31%

    shadsy said:

    Labour by 9.31%

    Hi Shadsy, did you get my message through Vanilla forums?
  • shiney2shiney2 Posts: 672
    Quoted source for voter reg reduction is "Labour MP for Nottingham North".

    Probably better informed than most..
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    AndyJS said:

    Must be time for another Rochester poll...

    You'll be lucky

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    If Labour win it'll probably be due to a relatively high turnout in the very anti-UKIP south-west of Sheffield where Clegg's constituency is situated.
  • labour by 8.51%
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,704
    AndyJS said:

    If Labour win it'll probably be due to a relatively high turnout in the very anti-UKIP south-west of Sheffield where Clegg's constituency is situated.

    Congrats...

    First time "high turnout" has ever been mentioned in the context of a PCC election.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    AndyJS said:

    Interesting and encouraging how many people are taking an interest in candidate selections for the general election. Another blog on the subject:

    http://www.ge2015.co.uk/

    I directed readers of another forum to your table on this subject - I hope you don't mind.
  • UKIP 3.5%
  • Labour by 0.94%
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    edited October 2014
    Guardian in cynical ploy to anger readers?

    http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2014/oct/28/tower-of-london-poppies-ukip-remembrance-day

    I always feel unsettled by Official Remembrance Services, partly because of the way in which people were compelled to fight, but the Poppies at The Tower helped me remember relatives who died in 1916. Losses which hurt my grandparents' families. The installation is unsettling, with a river of blood red poppies pouring out of cannon ports, even more so when I reflect one relative has no known grave, and that another died in a collision at sea; and the nature of their deaths. I also remember one young man killed in Afghanistan, a couple of years ago, and I wonder what was the point of it all? The poppy is a symbol which helps me think hard about war, politics and the impact on families.

    If Jones wanted to make a political point, he might have asked was going to war in 1914, one the worst political decisions by a British Government?
  • Paul_Mid_BedsPaul_Mid_Beds Posts: 1,409
    edited October 2014
    Lets be honest UKIP winning this would be like Labour winning Kensington and Chelsea.

    Seems like the Libdems have decided to give Labour a clear run at it.

    If Labour lose in the Peoples Republic of South Yorkshire / NUM central, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, never glad confident morning again.

    Meanwhile just over the Pennines (longsight area):

    "Eleven people have been arrested as part of a crackdown on child sexual exploitation in south Manchester."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29800712

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    antifrank said:

    AndyJS said:

    Interesting and encouraging how many people are taking an interest in candidate selections for the general election. Another blog on the subject:

    http://www.ge2015.co.uk/

    I directed readers of another forum to your table on this subject - I hope you don't mind.
    That's fine.

    In the last 6 days I've added 18 Green candidates and just 1 Lib Dem, which means Greens are on 113 to the LDs' 197.
  • 'Scottish Labour leadership: MSP Sarah Boyack expected to stand'
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29802723

    Christ, hardly the most inspiring choice! Is that the best Scottish Labour can do?!
  • UKIP by 16 points.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Labour by 4.3%

    Habit may just beat novelty
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited October 2014
    Oh Dear. More gold for UKIP from the Mayor of Calais, now speaking to the treasury select committee.

    She is explaining why Britain is SO much more attractive than France for immigration...
  • shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    @Casino_Royale yes, got the message. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm pretty sure we'll have something along those lines soonish
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    OT quelle surprise. telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11192839/Rock-stars-really-do-die-young-study-finds-musicians-die-25-years-younger-than-average-person.html
    Pop and rock stars die up to 25 years younger than the average person and have far higher rates of death by accident, suicide and homicide, an Australian study has found.

    The study by a Sydney University academic says the "disturbing" findings suggest the music industry needs to stop "valorising" bad behaviour and destructive lifestyles.

    The chances of an accidental death for well-known musicians and rock stars were found to be between five and 10 times greater than for the general population. The average musician today lives into their late 50s or early 60s and has a life expectancy that is about 20 years lower than members of the general population.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Rees Mogg making a great speech in the Commons at the moment re Freud

    "Some socialist wearing a dirty mackintosh crept in to the party conference to hear the noble Lord make a few comments,,,"
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Mr Rentoul?

    UKIP by 16 points.

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Plato said:

    The Mr Rentoul?

    UKIP by 16 points.

    It can only be him Plato - take the hint and stop being so gauche

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    Base personal abuse towards those they politically disagree with seems to be considered acceptable behaviour amongst left-wing comics. Stewart Lee, Charlie Brooker and Chris Addison are no different.
  • UKIP by 12.15 %.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Labour by 12.62 %
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited October 2014

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    Base personal abuse towards those they politically disagree with seems to be considered acceptable behaviour amongst left-wing comics. Stewart Lee, Charlie Brooker and Chris Addison are no different.
    Its a reasonable riposte by Farage but the best thing he could have done would be to ignore him. Boyle is past it and like a little boy he loves attention which he gets from being 'bad'
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited October 2014
    I notice Books etc is selling new versions of the book for £6.06. Tempted to buy it now.
  • AndyJS said:

    I notice Books etc is selling new versions of the book for £6.06. Tempted to buy it now.

    Well it is only for a PCC election !!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    The UK withdrawal of migrant rescue support story seems to have pushed a lot of buttons. Over 4,000 comments on CiF and over 10,000 shares now:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/27/uk-mediterranean-migrant-rescue-plan
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    AndyJS said:

    I notice Books etc is selling new versions of the book for £6.06. Tempted to buy it now.

    Err, the relevant book is by Philip Cowley and Robert Ford?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    Base personal abuse towards those they politically disagree with seems to be considered acceptable behaviour amongst left-wing comics. Stewart Lee, Charlie Brooker and Chris Addison are no different.
    That was Farage's original point, and Boyle walked straight into the trap
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,291
    Labour by 3.65%
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    ''The UK withdrawal of migrant rescue support story seems to have pushed a lot of buttons. Over 4,000 comments on CiF and over 10,000 shares now:''

    The comments under the Mail's version tell a very different story.
  • isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    Base personal abuse towards those they politically disagree with seems to be considered acceptable behaviour amongst left-wing comics. Stewart Lee, Charlie Brooker and Chris Addison are no different.
    That was Farage's original point, and Boyle walked straight into the trap
    Yes, I understand that. That's why I don't find any of them that funny. Well, at least not when they enter the realm of politics.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    shadsy said:

    @Casino_Royale yes, got the message. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm pretty sure we'll have something along those lines soonish

    Brilliant. Thanks Shadsy.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    UKIP by about 10%.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    "not helping to rescue people fleeing from war, persecution and poverty"

    Fleeing war and persecution is very different to fleeing "poverty" in my opinion.

    Half the world is in poverty (Probably more)
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Das ist richtig

    Boyle seems very very scarred.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Two more Green candidates:

    York Central: Jonathan Tyler
    York Outer: Ginnie Shaw

    http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11521379.Green_Party_leader_visits_York/
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Welcome to The Trews - Message from Russell Brand

    492,737 views 5 months ago
    Subscribe Here Now: http://tinyurl.com/opragcg
    Welcome to my channel and my daily show 'The Trews' where I give you the true news so you don't have to invest any money in buying newspapers that charge you for the privilege of keeping your consciousness imprisoned in a tiny box of ignorance and lies.
  • isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Russell Brand is even less funny than his fat female namesake.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."
  • AndyJS said:

    Interesting and encouraging how many people are taking an interest in candidate selections for the general election. Another blog on the subject:

    http://www.ge2015.co.uk/

    Thanks for the link
    I see that one of Dave's mates has been parachuted in Hertsmere.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Royale, the point at which I stopped watching Mock the Week regularly was when Chris Addison, on a current events satirical panel show, made a 'joke' on a piece about Robert Mugabe about Margaret Thatcher blacking up.

    Welcome to Mr. Quinny, Mr. Bookie and Mr. Rentoul.

    [Could've sworn I missed someone but can't find them again...]
  • isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Russell Brand is even less funny than his fat female namesake.
    Racism against fat people!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Very dry Morris
  • taffys said:

    Talking of postal votes......

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/10/28/Millions-Disappear-In-Campaign-Against-Electoral-Fraud

    5 million off the register??

    That seems like a massive amount.

    Where's that article sourcing its figures from?
    "Those who were added to the register under the previous system will not be removed until after the general election in May 2015" wikipedia
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    That full Andrew Lawrence post:

    Can't help but notice increasingly, a lot 'political' comedians cracking cheap and easy gags about UKIP, to the extent that it's got hack, boring and lazy very quickly.

    Particularly too much moronic, liberal back-slapping on panel shows like Mock The Week where aging, balding, fat men, ethnic comedians and women-posing-as-comedians, sit congratulating themselves on how enlightened they are about the fact that UKIP are ridiculous and pathetic.

    Yet the Clacton by-election victory and what looks to be a likely victory in the Rochester by-election goes to show that UKIP have their supporters.

    Out of touch, smug, superannuated, overpaid TV comics with their cosy lives in their west-London ivory towers taking a supercilious, moralising tone, pandering to the ever-creeping militant political correctness of the BBC with their frankly surreal diversity targets.

    The reason UKIP have resonated with voters is because all the other parties are too spineless to tackle the issue of immigration.

    Our elected representatives seeded control of the borders of this country to the EU and it's been catastrophic for us all, an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works. Public transport infrastructure is dysfunctional. Hospitals and Schools are dysfunctional. The housing crisis continues to blight our economic potential and destroy the hopes and dreams of a generation. The benefits system is totally out of control. All because there are far,far too many people living here.

  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    2/2:

    For every wonderful, welcome skilled worker our open borders bring into this country, there are also benefit tourists and criminals. For every person that comes here and contributes richly to our culture, there are those that refuse to assimilate, which breeds distrust and has led to a fractured, broken society, where people have lost all sense of community.

    Can't say that I'm a UKIP supporter, but I can see why other people are, and I don't disrespect them for it.

    What I don't respect is lazy comedians, who market themselves as 'political' but rather than having the courage of their own convictions jump on the militant liberal bandwagon- which has been the source of so much shit stand-up over the years- so that they can get TV work and line their own pockets.

    There is a deeply ingrained militant liberal politics at every level of the BBC, despite the fact that it's tax-payer funded and supposed to be neutral. It's a biased organisation and the only sorts of political comedians that are welcome within its corridors are those that reflect it's values.

    Essentially when we're watching these 'political' comedians cracking their piss-poor UKIP gags on the BBC, I think we need to be aware they are neither engaged nor passionate about their subject- but money-grubbing charlatans, toadying up to the militant liberals that pay their wages, mirroring their own beliefs back at them in an act of false flattery so that they'll feel smug and validated and keep them on the BBC tax-payer funded gravy-train.

    I'm not a political comic, my only ambition for my comedy is to make a room full of people laugh. But there are those that disingenuously market themselves as political comics, not out of any genuine conviction, but in an effort to line their own pockets, and I don't like their hypocrisy.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,952
    Miss DiCanio, baffled as to why anyone likes Brand or takes him remotely seriously. Newsnight never bloody invited me on. Did Russell Brand ever offer a 70/1 winning tip?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Miss DiCanio, baffled as to why anyone likes Brand or takes him remotely seriously. Newsnight never bloody invited me on. Did Russell Brand ever offer a 70/1 winning tip?

    Point of order

    Brand's been pretty steady with Ms Khan for a while now.

    https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,821

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    Base personal abuse towards those they politically disagree with seems to be considered acceptable behaviour amongst left-wing comics. Stewart Lee, Charlie Brooker and Chris Addison are no different.
    Its a reasonable riposte by Farage but the best thing he could have done would be to ignore him. Boyle is past it and like a little boy he loves attention which he gets from being 'bad'
    I disagree about not responding. That response probably got Nigel hundreds of new followers. To have ignored it would have not got any.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Russell Brand is even less funny than his fat female namesake.
    Racism against fat people!
    On Friday at the school where my Dad teaches in Barking and Dagenham, a polish gypsy boy told a Somalian girl " Get out of our country you horrible Black muslim"

    Can you imagine Barbara Roche's reaction? Go cross eyed and fall backwards?
  • Miss DiCanio, baffled as to why anyone likes Brand or takes him remotely seriously. Newsnight never bloody invited me on. Did Russell Brand ever offer a 70/1 winning tip?

    Brand seems mentally defective, I suppose it's a case of laughing at a global village idiot but I doubt anyone takes him seriously.
  • SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    edited October 2014
    Although individual voter registration will help eliminate fictitious voters, there are still concerns about postal votes on demand. Andrew Stephenson MP, who represents Pendle in Lancashire, believes postal votes lead to legitimate voters being disenfranchised through 'family voting' the process by which the head of the family fills out the postal vote for everyone in the household.

    When the issue of abolishing postal votes was raised in Parliament he said: “This is a particular issue in the South Asian community and indeed I have met Asian women in my constituency, who have told me they have no idea who they voted for as their husband did it.


    This is why we need to scrap postal voting except in cases of being abroad or disability. It destroys the secret ballot. Proxy voting too.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014
    I'm throwing my prediction in:
    1st round Labour by 10%.
    2nd round UKIP by 4%.

    Turnout will still be abysmal.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    I've told the other half she needs to get registered if she wants to vote but she's not going to bother as NE Derbyshire is safe enough Labour anyway.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    UKIP by 3.70%
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Socrates said:

    2/2:

    For every wonderful, welcome skilled worker our open borders bring into this country, there are also benefit tourists and criminals. For every person that comes here and contributes richly to our culture, there are those that refuse to assimilate, which breeds distrust and has led to a fractured, broken society, where people have lost all sense of community.

    Can't say that I'm a UKIP supporter, but I can see why other people are, and I don't disrespect them for it.

    What I don't respect is lazy comedians, who market themselves as 'political' but rather than having the courage of their own convictions jump on the militant liberal bandwagon- which has been the source of so much shit stand-up over the years- so that they can get TV work and line their own pockets.

    There is a deeply ingrained militant liberal politics at every level of the BBC, despite the fact that it's tax-payer funded and supposed to be neutral. It's a biased organisation and the only sorts of political comedians that are welcome within its corridors are those that reflect it's values.

    Essentially when we're watching these 'political' comedians cracking their piss-poor UKIP gags on the BBC, I think we need to be aware they are neither engaged nor passionate about their subject- but money-grubbing charlatans, toadying up to the militant liberals that pay their wages, mirroring their own beliefs back at them in an act of false flattery so that they'll feel smug and validated and keep them on the BBC tax-payer funded gravy-train.

    I'm not a political comic, my only ambition for my comedy is to make a room full of people laugh. But there are those that disingenuously market themselves as political comics, not out of any genuine conviction, but in an effort to line their own pockets, and I don't like their hypocrisy.

    Couldnt have put it better myself
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Andrew Lawrence writes a whole load of tosh, but you have to respect his ability to find a way to gather a lot of publicity for himself. I'd never heard of him before.

    "I'm not a political comic": on the evidence in front of us, he fails on both counts.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Socrates said:

    2/2:

    For every wonderful, welcome skilled worker our open borders bring into this country, there are also benefit tourists and criminals. For every person that comes here and contributes richly to our culture, there are those that refuse to assimilate, which breeds distrust and has led to a fractured, broken society, where people have lost all sense of community.

    Can't say that I'm a UKIP supporter, but I can see why other people are, and I don't disrespect them for it.

    What I don't respect is lazy comedians, who market themselves as 'political' but rather than having the courage of their own convictions jump on the militant liberal bandwagon- which has been the source of so much shit stand-up over the years- so that they can get TV work and line their own pockets.

    There is a deeply ingrained militant liberal politics at every level of the BBC, despite the fact that it's tax-payer funded and supposed to be neutral. It's a biased organisation and the only sorts of political comedians that are welcome within its corridors are those that reflect it's values.

    Essentially when we're watching these 'political' comedians cracking their piss-poor UKIP gags on the BBC, I think we need to be aware they are neither engaged nor passionate about their subject- but money-grubbing charlatans, toadying up to the militant liberals that pay their wages, mirroring their own beliefs back at them in an act of false flattery so that they'll feel smug and validated and keep them on the BBC tax-payer funded gravy-train.

    I'm not a political comic, my only ambition for my comedy is to make a room full of people laugh. But there are those that disingenuously market themselves as political comics, not out of any genuine conviction, but in an effort to line their own pockets, and I don't like their hypocrisy.

    Agree with all of that, except I think those comics do truly believe all the nonsense politics they spout.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Socrates said:

    That full Andrew Lawrence post:

    ....

    Our elected representatives seeded control of the borders of this country to the EU and it's been catastrophic for us all, an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works. Public transport infrastructure is dysfunctional. Hospitals and Schools are dysfunctional. The housing crisis continues to blight our economic potential and destroy the hopes and dreams of a generation. The benefits system is totally out of control. All because there are far,far too many people living here.


    "seeded" ??!

  • Speedy said:

    I'm throwing my prediction in:
    1st round Labour by 10%.
    2nd round UKIP by 4%.

    Turnout will still be abysmal.

    2nd round? What 2nd round? :)
  • isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Russell Brand is even less funny than his fat female namesake.
    Racism against fat people!
    On Friday at the school where my Dad teaches in Barking and Dagenham, a polish gypsy boy told a Somalian girl " Get out of our country you horrible Black muslim"

    Can you imagine Barbara Roche's reaction? Go cross eyed and fall backwards?
    Is it cos she was black?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Royale, the point at which I stopped watching Mock the Week regularly was when Chris Addison, on a current events satirical panel show, made a 'joke' on a piece about Robert Mugabe about Margaret Thatcher blacking up.

    Welcome to Mr. Quinny, Mr. Bookie and Mr. Rentoul.

    [Could've sworn I missed someone but can't find them again...]

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Royale, the point at which I stopped watching Mock the Week regularly was when Chris Addison, on a current events satirical panel show, made a 'joke' on a piece about Robert Mugabe about Margaret Thatcher blacking up.

    Welcome to Mr. Quinny, Mr. Bookie and Mr. Rentoul.

    [Could've sworn I missed someone but can't find them again...]

    I have a raucous sense of humour, but I almost walked out of an Addison stand-up show in Cambridge. He made some disgusting 'jokes' about the Queen that went beyond humour, into baseless abuse.

    My wife had to stop me from walking out. She rightly pointed out he'd spot me, we were seated in the middle and clearly visible, and perhaps try and heckle and incorporate me into the act, and then I might have lost it at him.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited October 2014
    @‌isam Never a crueller or truer word about the pair them, though Frankie has made me laugh a couple of times. I'd never pay to hear him.


    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick


  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @SkyNews: Huhne Loses Court Challenge Over £77k Costs http://t.co/2jm5h9cxcX
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Ben Elton used to do to Thatch what some comedians now do to UKIP.

    She won three terms.

    Unlike many politicians, Farage isn't afraid of having enemies. Indeed, he probably realises that if certain people are annoyed by you, you are on the right track.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:


    Nigel Farage ‏@Nigel_Farage · 20h20 hours ago
    It's rare to find someone so honest in the media, particularly in comedy. This is very interesting: http://metro.co.uk/2014/10/26/andrew-lawrence-slams-anti-ukip-comedians-in-online-rant-4922419/

    Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle · 24m24 minutes ago
    @Nigel_Farage There are a lot of honest people in comedy, which is why they keep calling you a cunt

    Nigel FarageVerified account
    @Nigel_Farage @frankieboyle Probably the funniest thing I've ever heard you say!

    That Boyle came make a good living as a comedian is profoundly funny.
    Deeply unfunny man, who along with Russell Brand, is excruciatingly cringeworthy in his desperation to be seen as some kind of maverick

    There was a great impressions programme on Ch4 a couple of years ago called "Very Important People" that ripped it out of the pair of them for their stinking hypocrisy
    Russell Brand is even less funny than his fat female namesake.
    Racism against fat people!
    On Friday at the school where my Dad teaches in Barking and Dagenham, a polish gypsy boy told a Somalian girl " Get out of our country you horrible Black muslim"

    Can you imagine Barbara Roche's reaction? Go cross eyed and fall backwards?
    Is it cos she was black?
    Aii!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Michael McIntyre seems to be one and the exception that proves the rule.

    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    edited October 2014

    Speedy said:

    I'm throwing my prediction in:
    1st round Labour by 10%.
    2nd round UKIP by 4%.

    Turnout will still be abysmal.

    2nd round? What 2nd round? :)
    Well I still expect Labour to win the first preferences, though with a margin not high enough to prevent UKIP winning on transfer votes.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    taffys said:

    Ben Elton used to do to Thatch what some comedians now do to UKIP.

    She won three terms.

    Unlike many politicians, Farage isn't afraid of having enemies. Indeed, he probably realises that if certain people are annoyed by you, you are on the right track.

    Blast from the past.

    Note - not a Farrage ref

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Socrates said:

    That full Andrew Lawrence post:

    ....

    Our elected representatives seeded control of the borders of this country to the EU and it's been catastrophic for us all, an unmitigated disaster. Nothing works. Public transport infrastructure is dysfunctional. Hospitals and Schools are dysfunctional. The housing crisis continues to blight our economic potential and destroy the hopes and dreams of a generation. The benefits system is totally out of control. All because there are far,far too many people living here.


    "seeded" ??!

    ceded ^_~
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,171
    Labour 6.66%

    (Was going to say UKIP 6.66% but had a late change of mind!)
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,067
    edited October 2014
    This will be high watermark for UKIP - expect their poll ratings to decline as press scrutiny increases. Can you expect a collection of loons, fruitcakes and closet rascists to hold their discipline over an extended election campaign? UKIP will poll 10%ish at GE 15...
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,818
    edited October 2014

    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
    Someone like William Hague !! Who didn't laugh at his Blair for Euro President speech in the Commons?
  • SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    murali_s said:

    This will be high watermark for UKIP - expect their poll ratings to decline as press scrutiny increases. Can you expect a collection of loons, fruitcakes and closet rascist to hold their discipline over an extended election campaign? UKIP will poll 10%ish at GE 15...

    Their poll rating seems to increase regardless of media exposure at the moment.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,693
    Plato said:

    Michael McIntyre seems to be one and the exception that proves the rule.

    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
    Do we know he's centre-right? Thought he avoided politics in his acts entirely.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,932

    Labour 6.66%

    (Was going to say UKIP 6.66% but had a late change of mind!)

    Number of the Loon?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Plato said:

    Michael McIntyre seems to be one and the exception that proves the rule.

    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
    Do we know he's centre-right? Thought he avoided politics in his acts entirely.
    He definately narrative.

    Logical - the more RAH refs the better!!!

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I always thought Mr Elton was very sharp and funny - until he strayed into politics - then he turned into Wick and The Young Ones.

    I thought Tony was Mike myself.
    taffys said:

    Ben Elton used to do to Thatch what some comedians now do to UKIP.

    She won three terms.

    Unlike many politicians, Farage isn't afraid of having enemies. Indeed, he probably realises that if certain people are annoyed by you, you are on the right track.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    murali_s said:

    This will be high watermark for UKIP - expect their poll ratings to decline as press scrutiny increases. Can you expect a collection of loons, fruitcakes and closet rascist to hold their discipline over an extended election campaign? UKIP will poll 10%ish at GE 15...

    Is that a copy and paste from May this year or May 2013?
  • Plato said:

    Michael McIntyre seems to be one and the exception that proves the rule.

    Socrates said:

    I've never heard of Andrew Lawrence before, but his Facebook page is great:

    "Andrew Lawrence
    8 hours ago
    The reason there are no right-leaning comics in this country is because whenever one has the balls to stand-up, they become the target of a witch-hunt. Where there should be balance, there is, terrifyingly, censorship."

    Quite right. But I would like someone inbetween the Boyles/Brookers and Jim Davidson/Bernard Manning.

    A brave, well-informed intelligent centre-right comedian who can satirise to pieces the sanctimonious left-wing comics, deny them the moral high-ground, and tie their tongues in knots through creative wit and riposte.

    I'd go and see them every night.
    Do we know he's centre-right? Thought he avoided politics in his acts entirely.
    I've never heard him say anything political but that could be a clue in itself I suppose
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    isam said:

    murali_s said:

    This will be high watermark for UKIP - expect their poll ratings to decline as press scrutiny increases. Can you expect a collection of loons, fruitcakes and closet rascist to hold their discipline over an extended election campaign? UKIP will poll 10%ish at GE 15...

    Is that a copy and paste from May this year or May 2013?
    I was ASSURED by Messrs Loony, Hodges, and probably quite a few others that UKIP would get less than 5% at the General Election.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    murali_s said:

    This will be high watermark for UKIP - expect their poll ratings to decline as press scrutiny increases. Can you expect a collection of loons, fruitcakes and closet rascists to hold their discipline over an extended election campaign? UKIP will poll 10%ish at GE 15...

    I recall peak Kipper being predicted before too, with the same arguments about press scrutiny.
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