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  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    It could equally mean he was going to pay 20bn on December 1st... which he won't do either.
    Honestly Rob D - there's bullshit - and then there's abusing the English language...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    If I may borrow some of tim's political acuity (on the 70% of the time he was peerless in this matter), I would say that Cam should ensure that the footage of the guy running up to him, Cam sidestepping, and the police reacting, should be on constant loop everywhere until May.

    Makes him look v good indeed.


  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
    Err, you kinda implying we won't ever pay it...

    You're going to look very silly at some point...

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
    Err, you kinda implying we won't ever pay it...

    You're going to look very silly at some point...

    Not my words!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Price, cross-over?

    The Lib Dems are ahead of the Greens.

    Mr. CD13, jein. Anyone can self-publish. Getting 'properly'/traditionally published involves a few things (niche, right style of book for the market [grimdark, for example], etc).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
  • Morris

    London already has city-regional govt. Why not Greater Manchester etc? What's your problem? It's a great idea
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @paulhutcheon: Could this be Jim Sheridan MP having a playful dig at his comrade Jim Murphy?
    https://t.co/5DxHoHnGec
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Dancer,

    Message received. Thanks for the advice, I'll take note.

    Grateful for your help.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
    Err, you kinda implying we won't ever pay it...

    You're going to look very silly at some point...

    Not my words!
    *HERR HERR*

    Wrong answer.

    Try again and try to apologise to your PM at the same time.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
    Err, you kinda implying we won't ever pay it...

    You're going to look very silly at some point...

    Not my words!
    *HERR HERR*

    Wrong answer.

    Try again and try to apologise to your PM at the same time.

    I'll invite you to check Hansard when it is published :')
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.
  • Ishmael_XIshmael_X Posts: 3,664

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Lovely bloke that Lord A, gawd bless 'im an' 'is marginal polls. Not that Lab/Con level pegging excites me, but it leaves the site's dimmest trolls with nothing to say. Not heard from them for weeks.

  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
  • Mensch is off again RTing, sorry no it's the broken record himself... LET IT GO!!! You ditched them, not them you, let the bitterness fade and look to a wider world than Tory, Tory, Tory.

    Michael Heaver @Michael_Heaver
    So David Cameron is going to hand the EU more cash from British taxpayers. That capitulation didn't take long.
    Retweeted by Douglas Carswell MP
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    And he just said "we won't be paying it".. without a time constraint.
    Err, you kinda implying we won't ever pay it...

    You're going to look very silly at some point...

    Not my words!
    *HERR HERR*

    Wrong answer.

    Try again and try to apologise to your PM at the same time.

    I'll invite you to check Hansard when it is published :')
    I'm bored now.

    For the lurkers-

    http://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/hansard/

    http://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Cameron didn't rule out making a horse a senator !! Disgrace !!
  • Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    I'm still betting against a Tory Majority, but I have reduced my liability on it today for sure :)
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Dr. Prasannan, did any of those countries have a referendum this very year about destroying that country? Have any of them embarked upon ill-considered and ever-deepening devolution?

    Scotland has one Parliament, and England ought to have the same. Carving it up is the policy of the parochial and the short-sighted.
  • "Europhile Tories are closet Lefties" - discuss :)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Ashcroft England: CON 33 LAB 30 UKIP 21 LD 6 GRN 6
  • Confusing watching tweets

    Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
    Cameron escalates EU budget row: tells MPs he will never pay £1.7bn or "a sum anything like that". First flat refusal to meet full bill.

    John Rentoul ✔ @JohnRentoul
    Kate Hoey deadly Q aimed at EdM: "The British public are not concerned with who knew what when." They want to know that we won't pay.

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    David Cameron WILL pay the EU bill. Even if he disputes amount. And pays it late. #rollOver
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Ashcroft has figures for Net England:

    Cons:33
    LAB: 30
    LD: 6
    UKIP: 21
    Green: 6
  • "Europhile Tories are closet Lefties" - discuss :)

    How very dare you!!!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    TGOHF said:

    Cameron didn't rule out making a horse a senator !! Disgrace !!

    Quite!
  • anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    This is an interesting chart. In the 2014 local elections UKIP did better in Labour held seats, than in Conservative held seats.

    twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/526765724296302592
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. D, a senator perhaps, but I don't think he'd like to see Mr. Ed in Downing Street.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Floater, think you may've missed it last thread: are you the chap who wrote An Ever Rolling Stream? Just want to check before sending you some mail.

    Hi MD.

    I did respond but I think a new thread had started by then.

    No, it was not me - my only foray into print was as a contributor to a textbook on Insurance :-)

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    Although this has the makings of a private fight, can I point out that none of those states quoted has been unified as long as England.
  • Dr. Prasannan, did any of those countries have a referendum this very year about destroying that country? Have any of them embarked upon ill-considered and ever-deepening devolution?

    Scotland has one Parliament, and England ought to have the same. Carving it up is the policy of the parochial and the short-sighted.

    Mr Dancer

    The USA is split into 50 states and a capital territory - are they any less American? And around the Commonwealth, India has 29 states and 7 territories, Canada has 13 provinces/territories, Australia has 8 states/territories, S Africa has 9 provinces. Need I go on?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Ishmael_X said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Lovely bloke that Lord A, gawd bless 'im an' 'is marginal polls. Not that Lab/Con level pegging excites me, but it leaves the site's dimmest trolls with nothing to say. Not heard from them for weeks.

    Baxtered that gives Ukip zero seats.


  • RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited October 2014
    Mr. Floater, sorry, 'twas my mistake.

    King Cole, quite right.

    Edited extra bit: Dr. Prasannan, there is a world of difference between designing a system to operate that way (such as the US) or unifying strong regions (Germany) compared to carving up a land that has been unified for over a thousand years.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I would be very, very surprised if this years vaccine was for last years virus. Normal practice is to identify the virus as it moves across from the East. That's why the vaccines are not delivered to surgeries etc until just before the "season" starts.

    Case as stated though, sympathies.
    That's right.

    It's an educated guess as to what the flu virus will look like in any given year, but they make a call around February based on the Asian patterns and then manufacture it for the following winter season in the West.
    It's often a close call to have "this years" vaccine ready in time. I seem to recall things going awry at least once and surgeries scrabbling around for enough. It's, or at least was at one time, a very profitable exercise for GP's.
    Basically the timelines only work if they make the call on time and then everything goes smoothly in the manufacturing. If there is any scrapage then you can run into problems PDQ.

    But this news will help a lot:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-27/csl-buys-novartis-flu-vaccine-division/5844108
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    Avast and Belay, Cap'n Doc! England is split into counties, with some big cities. We don't need no stinking regions. Some devolution back down to the counties and cities and shifting power from Whitehall would be a jolly good idea though. Belike.
  • Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    Avast and Belay, Cap'n Doc! England is split into counties, with some big cities. We don't need no stinking regions. Some devolution back down to the counties and cities and shifting power from Whitehall would be a jolly good idea though. Belike.
    Avast, Mr Llama! I guess you and Mr Dancer have never heard of the Heptarchy?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
    Apology accepted.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014
    meow - he's got his hands full with all the tweeting...

    Greg Hands ✔ @GregHands
    Interesting to see @DouglasCarswell in Commons with no question to ask PM on the EU. Continuing long UKIP tradition of non-participation.

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    @DPJHodges @tnewtondunn Westminster word play. Brussels will get most of the extra money it asked for

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Charles said:

    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I would be very, very surprised if this years vaccine was for last years virus. Normal practice is to identify the virus as it moves across from the East. That's why the vaccines are not delivered to surgeries etc until just before the "season" starts.

    Case as stated though, sympathies.
    That's right.

    It's an educated guess as to what the flu virus will look like in any given year, but they make a call around February based on the Asian patterns and then manufacture it for the following winter season in the West.
    It's often a close call to have "this years" vaccine ready in time. I seem to recall things going awry at least once and surgeries scrabbling around for enough. It's, or at least was at one time, a very profitable exercise for GP's.
    Basically the timelines only work if they make the call on time and then everything goes smoothly in the manufacturing. If there is any scrapage then you can run into problems PDQ.

    But this news will help a lot:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-27/csl-buys-novartis-flu-vaccine-division/5844108
    True. On both counts.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    I suppose it depends who you were listening to

    Chris Ship (@chrisshipitv)
    27/10/2014 15:54
    Helpful as ever, Ken Clarke tells PM: everyone in the Treasury & Foreign Office must have known this was coming along.

    Sophy Ridge (@SophyRidgeSky)
    27/10/2014 15:44
    Ed Miliband reveals a letter from Nicky Morgan (then Economic Secretary) 7 months ago saying that Gross National Income would go up

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Dr. Prasannan, I'm more familiar with the tetrarchy. That was an unstable mess that ended up dividing the Roman Empire.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
    Apology accepted.
    You will have to flag up when you are talking to someone else but looking at me in future.. you're not boss eyed are you?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Briskin and co update analysis at 1625-

    Osborne - Dude
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098

    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    Avast and Belay, Cap'n Doc! England is split into counties, with some big cities. We don't need no stinking regions. Some devolution back down to the counties and cities and shifting power from Whitehall would be a jolly good idea though. Belike.
    Avast, Mr Llama! I guess you and Mr Dancer have never heard of the Heptarchy?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heptarchy
    Of course I have heard of the Heptarchy but that existed before England was a unified kingdom, you silly Pirate. It has as much relevance today as Sussex being a separate state (though if that is what is needed to keep us away from the Kentish tribes I am prepared to negotiate).
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704

    Dr. Prasannan, I'm more familiar with the tetrarchy. That was an unstable mess that ended up dividing the Roman Empire.

    I wonder if the NE vote on a Regional Government would have been different if had been made clear that it was instead of one layer of local Government, not apparently another.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    The GE feels a bit like a 5 year test match :)
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Pulpstar said:

    The GE feels a bit like a 5 year test match :)

    "Just because Ed Hoggard hasn't scored a test century before doesn't mean he won't get 200 not out in the 4th innings.."

  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,834

    Dr. Prasannan, I'm more familiar with the tetrarchy. That was an unstable mess that ended up dividing the Roman Empire.

    The empire was already an unstable mess at that point so it's probably unfair to blame a structure rather than a political culture.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
    Apology accepted.
    You will have to flag up when you are talking to someone else but looking at me in future.. you're not boss eyed are you?
    Err No. My original comment was to MoK - on of your kippa bruvvas - you butted in. It's not all about you. Having seen how obsessive you are with others on the site you can take this as my final comment.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    GB is split in to 4 regions. We also have local government. Why do we need more? England has never been a federal country. It is relatively small in land area and does not lend itself to autominous federal regions. England was a whole and homogenous country when various parts 'Germany' were components of the Holy Roman Empire.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
    Apology accepted.
    You will have to flag up when you are talking to someone else but looking at me in future.. you're not boss eyed are you?
    Err No. My original comment was to MoK - on of your kippa bruvvas - you butted in. It's not all about you. Having seen how obsessive you are with others on the site you can take this as my final comment.
    Ill take that as admitting defeat.. you were right to do so x
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Spot on, Mr. Flightpath.

    Mr. Herdson, I concur the empire was largely a mess, but Diocletian's tetrarchy institutionalised division on a permanent basis and was the foundation for the West/East division, in my view.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Spot on, Mr. Flightpath.

    Mr. Herdson, I concur the empire was largely a mess, but Diocletian's tetrarchy institutionalised division on a permanent basis and was the foundation for the West/East division, in my view.

    I think the West/East division was about the Emperor's wanting to have their hols...

  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    edited October 2014

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]

    I may have to bring my forecast of "real" crossover forward from January!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Hmm Where is Big John with his EICIPM :) ?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Tetrarchy institutionalised a structure that worked when Diocletian was in charge of it, but didn't really work without his unique talents.

    I rather wonder whether we'll say the same about the latest incarnation of the British monarchy a few years after the Queen's glorious reign has been brought to a close.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    antifrank said:

    The Tetrarchy institutionalised a structure that worked when Diocletian was in charge of it, but didn't really work without his unique talents.

    I rather wonder whether we'll say the same about the latest incarnation of the British monarchy a few years after the Queen's glorious reign has been brought to a close.

    How gauche
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Pulpstar said:

    Hmm Where is Big John with his EICIPM :) ?

    He was on earlier.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    edited October 2014

    Morris

    London already has city-regional govt. Why not Greater Manchester etc? What's your problem? It's a great idea

    London does not have city regional govt. It has various local authority boroughs and the mayor is basically a glorified transport commissioner.
    Increasingly local goc=vts are sharing back moffice operations whilst keeping nservices local and in point of fact the govt wants to create a transpennine joined up govt area to mirror London.
  • Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    GB is split in to 4 regions. We also have local government. Why do we need more? England has never been a federal country. It is relatively small in land area and does not lend itself to autominous federal regions. England was a whole and homogenous country when various parts 'Germany' were components of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Whole and homogenous? No chance.

    The English people spoke back then would have been mutually incomprehensible, as it was until relatively recently. Back in Canute's day - when he was off in other parts of his empire - Mercia, Wessex and Northumbria were essentially ruled by their respective Earls; great swathes of the kingdom were also controlled by the church.

  • meow - he's got his hands full with all the tweeting...

    Greg Hands ✔ @GregHands
    Interesting to see @DouglasCarswell in Commons with no question to ask PM on the EU. Continuing long UKIP tradition of non-participation.

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    @DPJHodges @tnewtondunn Westminster word play. Brussels will get most of the extra money it asked for

    new politics at Westminster, tweet don't speak

    Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman
    Douglas Carswell has left the Chamber, in case you hoped to hear from him. But he has been tweeting a lot about the eventual compromise
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Antifrank, a system that requires a one-off chap in supreme authority is not a stable system.

    The monarchy will endure.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. Observer, that was over a thousand years ago. Next you'll be saying we should be split into two English/Welsh regions, because that's what the Romans did.

    England has been united for over a thousand years.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    For the lurkers-

    This is a link to a Google doc.

    It looked valid enough.

  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Mr. Antifrank, a system that requires a one-off chap in supreme authority is not a stable system.

    The monarchy will endure.

    I don't think it is fully appreciated just how special the Queen is. She is a quite remarkable woman who has more or less personally invented the idea of the modern monarchy, shaped it in her own image and has tirelessly applied herself to carrying it out.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,000
    Alistair said:

    JBriskin said:

    He revelled in the high-profile role he got from his now famous "100 towns in 100 days" tour

    Murphy got f*ck all press or traction until some twat threw an egg at him. He was basically hiding from being asked uncomfortable questions about his expense claims.

    One Egg later and a heavily stage managed "brave return" in Edinburgh and he's a modern day martyr and suddenly a political genius.

    I've yet to meet a person in the flesh up here in Scotland who thinks Murphy would be a good pick. Of course, I only know filthy Nats who are pretty much begging Labour to select Murphy.
    I was at a major GE 2010 debate in Edinburgh where, far from being unflappable, he got very defensive and hostile when queried on his expenses claim - that aspect is still rumbling on
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    For the lurkers-

    This is a link to a Google doc.

    It looked valid enough.

    Every third time I post it, I link to something much more salacious... titters ;)
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    Mr. Antifrank, a system that requires a one-off chap in supreme authority is not a stable system.

    The monarchy will endure.

    As opposed to CHAPS

    \brand

    (Although that fucking idiot probably wouldn't'' have a clue what I'm on about)
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    Great stuff! What smoothing are you using?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    For the lurkers-

    This is a link to a Google doc.

    It looked valid enough.

    Every third time I post it, I link to something much more salacious... titters ;)
    I'm a wee bit more concerned about MI6 than you Rob D.

    But you are admittedly doing a good job...

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    RodCrosby said:

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    Great stuff! What smoothing are you using?
    The bold line is just the average of all poll 7 days before and 7 days after the data point (a 15-day window).
  • felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.

    Nice to see the kippers supporting their BFF Miliband in the Commons - couldn't be clearer, go to bed with Farage and wake up with Miliband!
    Most kippers ( certainly me) criticised Miliband for the Lord Freud nonsense, and acknowledging he did well today... whats wrong with that?

    Its called saying it as you see it
    Yeah right.
    Check the threads..

    I have backed Cameron up when I think he was right and criticised him when I think he was wrong.. same for Miliband.. its all here if you want to check

    I've no reason to do anything else, no need for you to rely on Tory soundbites to tell you whats going on, think for yourself
    My response was not to you. How about checking that? Ego or what!
    Oh sorry, just when you directly responded to something I said I thought you were responding to me
    Apology accepted.
    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
  • O/T watching the European council debate in Parliament.
    Who is the Tory MP on the back row in the god awful brown suit?
    The fashion whips should have a word with him
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    meow - he's got his hands full with all the tweeting...

    Greg Hands ✔ @GregHands
    Interesting to see @DouglasCarswell in Commons with no question to ask PM on the EU. Continuing long UKIP tradition of non-participation.

    Douglas Carswell MP ✔ @DouglasCarswell
    @DPJHodges @tnewtondunn Westminster word play. Brussels will get most of the extra money it asked for

    new politics at Westminster, tweet don't speak

    Isabel Hardman @IsabelHardman
    Douglas Carswell has left the Chamber, in case you hoped to hear from him. But he has been tweeting a lot about the eventual compromise
    "I have held the PM to account using a medium that he said is for twats"

    Rock on Carswell.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    edited October 2014

    felix said:



    Apology accepted.

    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
    Was there ever a ship in Star Wars with a cloaking device?
  • Mr. Observer, that was over a thousand years ago. Next you'll be saying we should be split into two English/Welsh regions, because that's what the Romans did.

    England has been united for over a thousand years.

    This is purely about administration of the regions, not their independence!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    felix said:



    Apology accepted.

    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
    Was there every a ship in Star Wars with a cloaking device?
    You're thinking of Star Trek

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Dr. Prasannan, once you lay down dividing lines of devolved political power and create different areas of fiscal policy you're laying the foundations for separation. cf Scotland.

    No state has a god-given right to exist.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:



    Apology accepted.

    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
    Was there every a ship in Star Wars with a cloaking device?
    You're thinking of Star Trek

    The officer clearly stated "no ship that small has a cloaking device".... do I need to whip out Hansard again... titters :')
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    Mr. Ajob, as far as I understand, London has transport devolved and the rest of the powers are pretty watery.

    Mr. CD13, np, and best of luck.

    Mr Dancer

    France, Germany, Spain and Italy are split into regions. Are the French, Germans, Spaniards and Italians any less French, German, Spanish or Italian?
    GB is split in to 4 regions. We also have local government. Why do we need more? England has never been a federal country. It is relatively small in land area and does not lend itself to autominous federal regions. England was a whole and homogenous country when various parts 'Germany' were components of the Holy Roman Empire.

    Whole and homogenous? No chance.

    The English people spoke back then would have been mutually incomprehensible, as it was until relatively recently. Back in Canute's day - when he was off in other parts of his empire - Mercia, Wessex and Northumbria were essentially ruled by their respective Earls; great swathes of the kingdom were also controlled by the church.

    Actually I remember seeing a learned prof type about ten years ago pointing out that in the 10th century the various dialects of Anglo Saxon would not only have been intelligible to each other but also to Danish ( well Norse really ) as spoken up North by many at the time. Anglo Saxon had only left its continental Danish neighbours about 500 years before and being pre 1066 there were no Normans and their fancy French vocabulary to get in the way. Indeed the need for a united English/Viking lingua Franca probably accelerated Anglo Saxon's already simplifying grammatical tendencies, helping English rid itself of all those tiresome genders and cases.

    Back in the 21st century: dividing up England to "solve" a Scottish Welsh and N Irish question created by the logical irregularities of devolution is a nonsense in my humble view.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:



    Apology accepted.

    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
    Was there every a ship in Star Wars with a cloaking device?
    You're thinking of Star Trek

    The officer clearly stated "no ship that small has a cloaking device".... do I need to whip out Hansard again... titters :')
    I'm nae laughing.

    I don't clink on Sunil links.

    See also etc. etc...
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Steve Brine MP "...this club is just not working for us anymore"

    The Winchester Club? Shades of Glyn Edwards and George Cole "Ello Arfur"
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    "Back in the 21st century: dividing up England to "solve" a Scottish Welsh and N Irish question created by the logical irregularities of devolution is a nonsense in my humble view." - precisely, Mr. Owl.
  • RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    ELBOW weekly Labour leads since 17th Aug:

    17th Aug: 3.0%
    24th Aug: 3.6%
    31st Aug: 3.8%
    7th Sep: 3.3%
    14th Sep: 4.6%
    21st Sep: 3.6%
    28th Sep: 4.4%
    5th Oct: 2.9%
    12th Oct: 2.6%
    19th Oct: 2.4%
    26th Oct: 1.1%
  • The future isn't Brown, apparently.

    Alan Roden ‏@AlanRoden 5 mins5 minutes ago
    Source close to Gordon Brown categorically rules out the former PM standing for Scottish Labour leadership.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    Mr. Observer, that was over a thousand years ago. Next you'll be saying we should be split into two English/Welsh regions, because that's what the Romans did.

    England has been united for over a thousand years.

    This is purely about administration of the regions, not their independence!
    How about Moffs? ;)
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    felix said:



    Apology accepted.

    Darth Vader: "Apology accepted, Captain Needa!" [after force-choking him to death]

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwio208q3jY
    Was there every a ship in Star Wars with a cloaking device?
    You're thinking of Star Trek

    The officer clearly stated "no ship that small has a cloaking device".... do I need to whip out Hansard again... titters :')
    I'm nae laughing.

    I don't clink on Sunil links.

    See also etc. etc...
    In fact - I'm allowed my link one more time aren't I!!!!!

    Live at 1700

  • RobD said:

    Mr. Observer, that was over a thousand years ago. Next you'll be saying we should be split into two English/Welsh regions, because that's what the Romans did.

    England has been united for over a thousand years.

    This is purely about administration of the regions, not their independence!
    How about Moffs? ;)
    The REGIONAL governors now have direct control of their territories. FEAR will keep the local systems in line!
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    isam said:

    Steve Brine MP "...this club is just not working for us anymore"

    The Winchester Club? Shades of Glyn Edwards and George Cole "Ello Arfur"

    Maybe he should try a heart or a spade.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033

    RobD said:

    RodCrosby said:

    RodCrosby said:

    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.

    Fourth tie in as many days - very intriguing!
    Disastrous polling for Labour...
    And yet the last poll with a Tory lead was nigh on three weeks ago...
    Luck of the draw. There have been 9 polls this month with the Tories level or ahead.

    The Lab lead was 4% at the start of the month. It's now 1%. [my estimates]
    Labour in free-fall: http://goo.gl/9RfFdf
    ELBOW weekly Labour leads since 17th Aug:

    17th Aug: 3.0%
    24th Aug: 3.6%
    31st Aug: 3.8%
    7th Sep: 3.3%
    14th Sep: 4.6%
    21st Sep: 3.6%
    28th Sep: 4.4%
    5th Oct: 2.9%
    12th Oct: 2.6%
    19th Oct: 2.4%
    26th Oct: 1.1%
    Not looking good for EMIC.
  • Dr. Prasannan, once you lay down dividing lines of devolved political power and create different areas of fiscal policy you're laying the foundations for separation. cf Scotland.

    No state has a god-given right to exist.

    Mr Dancer - in case you forgot, when push came to shove, the Scots rejected separation by 55%/45%.
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