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  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JBriskin
    It's about the system being a shambles I think, but no doubt you will watch, and hand down your verdict in due course.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    Get well soon... op on the horizon/heart murmur.. bad luck comes in threes! The only way is up!
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Smarmeron said:

    @JBriskin
    It's about the system being a shambles I think, but no doubt you will watch, and hand down your verdict in due course.

    I wouldn't bet on it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I would be very, very surprised if this years vaccine was for last years virus. Normal practice is to identify the virus as it moves across from the East. That's why the vaccines are not delivered to surgeries etc until just before the "season" starts.

    Case as stated though, sympathies.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    You should really vaccinate, Mr K

    "How effective is the flu vaccine in the elderly?

    Older people with weaker immune systems often have a lower protective immune response after flu vaccination compared to younger, healthier people. This can result in lower vaccine effectiveness in these people.

    If vaccine works less well in older people should they still get vaccinated?

    Despite the fact that flu vaccines can work less well in people who are 65 and older, there are many reasons why people in that age group should be vaccinated each year.

    First, people 65 and older are at high risk of getting seriously ill, being hospitalized and dying from the flu.
    Second, while the effectiveness of the flu vaccine can be lower among older people, there are seasons when significant benefit can be observed in terms of averting illness that results in a doctor’s visit.
    Third, current CDC studies... For example, one study concluded that one death was prevented for every 4,000 people vaccinated against the flu (Fireman et al, 2009).
    In frail elderly adults, hospitalizations can mark the beginning of a significant decline in overall health and mobility, potentially resulting in loss of the ability to live independently or to complete basic activities of daily living. While the protection elderly adults obtain from flu vaccination can vary significantly, a yearly flu vaccination is still the best protection currently available against the flu.
    There are limited data to suggest that flu vaccination may reduce flu illness severity; so while someone who is vaccinated may still get infected, their illness may be milder.


    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm

    Anyway Hope you get well soon, and hope you can make it out on the 21st.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @JBriskin
    The tried and tested "three wise monkeys" ploy.....
    Very wise indeed.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    edited October 2014
    JBriskin said:

    He revelled in the high-profile role he got from his now famous "100 towns in 100 days" tour

    Murphy got f*ck all press or traction until some twat threw an egg at him. He was basically hiding from being asked uncomfortable questions about his expense claims.

    One Egg later and a heavily stage managed "brave return" in Edinburgh and he's a modern day martyr and suddenly a political genius.

    I've yet to meet a person in the flesh up here in Scotland who thinks Murphy would be a good pick. Of course, I only know filthy Nats who are pretty much begging Labour to select Murphy.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Smarmeron said:

    @JBriskin
    The tried and tested "three wise monkeys" ploy.....
    Very wise indeed.

    Now now Smarmy,

    We're Full academic today remember.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_wise_monkeys
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    Alistair said:

    JBriskin said:

    He revelled in the high-profile role he got from his now famous "100 towns in 100 days" tour

    Murphy got f*ck all press or traction until some twat threw an egg at him. He was basically hiding from being asked uncomfortable questions about his expense claims.

    One Egg later and a heavily stage managed "brave return" in Edinburgh and he's a modern day martyr and suddenly a political genius.

    I've yet to meet a person in the flesh up here in Scotland who thinks Murphy would be a good pick. Of course, I only know filthy Nats who are pretty much begging Labour to select Murphy.
    Oh I quite disagree. I only read your first para.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    edited October 2014
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I always had my doubts about how effective flu vaccine was, but I've had it every year since 2003 and haven't had Flu since I started.

    Probably coincidence (like I said you don't get Flu many times in a life-time) but it can't do any harm to have it anyway.

    Hope you feel soon. Remember any sign of a secondary infection setting up and get to your doctor quickly.

  • Worth hedging on Gordon Brown at 7/1 with Hills. Ladbrokes have cut him to 3s.
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    Neat sidestep from the PM there..Skinner gets more aggessive every week..that wig fooled no-one
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    Pulpstar said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    You should really vaccinate, Mr K

    "How effective is the flu vaccine in the elderly?

    Older people with weaker immune systems often have a lower protective immune response after flu vaccination compared to younger, healthier people. This can result in lower vaccine effectiveness in these people.

    If vaccine works less well in older people should they still get vaccinated?

    Despite the fact that flu vaccines can work less well in people who are 65 and older, there are many reasons why people in that age group should be vaccinated each year.

    First, people 65 and older are at high risk of getting seriously ill, being hospitalized and dying from the flu.
    Second, while the effectiveness of the flu vaccine can be lower among older people, there are seasons when significant benefit can be observed in terms of averting illness that results in a doctor’s visit.
    Third, current CDC studies... For example, one study concluded that one death was prevented for every 4,000 people vaccinated against the flu (Fireman et al, 2009).
    In frail elderly adults, hospitalizations can mark the beginning of a significant decline in overall health and mobility, potentially resulting in loss of the ability to live independently or to complete basic activities of daily living. While the protection elderly adults obtain from flu vaccination can vary significantly, a yearly flu vaccination is still the best protection currently available against the flu.
    There are limited data to suggest that flu vaccination may reduce flu illness severity; so while someone who is vaccinated may still get infected, their illness may be milder.


    http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm

    Anyway Hope you get well soon, and hope you can make it out on the 21st.
    I should bloody hope so. I seldom miss a DD do when Peter the Punter is buying.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    MikeK said:

    I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the fuckin' flu!

    At least it'll be out of the way by Christmas.

    A few years ago I started coming down with Flu the day before Christmas Eve and spent Christmas Day in bed. Was still ill for New Year.

    Whole holiday was a write off! :(

    Years back I got flu on xmas day itself - had family round so tried to "man up" and continue on as if only a cold - bad, bad mistake.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    isam said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    Get well soon... op on the horizon/heart murmur.. bad luck comes in threes! The only way is up!
    Thank you for your get well wishes.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Worth hedging on Gordon Brown at 7/1 with Hills. Ladbrokes have cut him to 3s.

    Thanks, Hills have let me have a tenner on the Broon.

    I suspect his price will be cut very very shortly.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Pulpstar's right, Mr K. It's what's called creating "herd immunity". The more people vaccinated, the fewer likely to get it and act as a reservoir.

    And I can testify that it takes longer to recover from things than "Once Upon A Time"! I always knew, theoretically, of course, but as I've got well past my Bus Pass Issue date, recovery from even minor "illnesses" seems to take at lot longer!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    What is the next move on this market - smash into Murphy if he drifts out to Evens ?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Pulpstar said:

    What is the next move on this market - smash into Murphy if he drifts out to Evens ?

    Only for trading... and on an unhacked device...

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Pulpstar said:

    What is the next move on this market - smash into Murphy if he drifts out to Evens ?

    Ladbrokes had Findlay at 5/2. He is now out to 4/1
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014
    I've got a corker of a prediction:

    If Findlay or Brown get the gig will these lines be trotted out ?

    "... has beaten Jim Murphy, in what will be seen as a fresh blow to Ed Miliband's authority and leadership"
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    And still the fall out from the Falkirk/Labour/Unite bust up continues to cast a shadow over the wider Labour party. And so Unite's anyone but Jim Murphy candidate is going to be Neil Findlay, well Unite's 'Anyone but David Miliband' choice has really worked out well for the Labour party? Not only has the Labour party failed to reach out and bring back on board those voters who went Conservative under Miliband, they are now in danger of leaking votes to UKIP in their Northern heartlands which could prove a double whammy at the next GE.

    It will be an absolute disaster for the Scottish Labour party if they allow Len McCluskey and Co to dictate who will be the next Scottish Leader of the Labour party. And if in the process, they deliberately set out to damage and undermine one of the most able Scottish Labour politicians, someone with a proven track record of taking the fight to the SNP and winning just so he doesn't get that job...

    Also worth noting that the Scottish NHS is not in the best of health right now, and yet most Scots probable have not even heard of Neil Findlay despite him holding the Shadow Health brief at Holyrood.... just saying.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Eights available on Mr Brown at Paddy Power.

    Meanwhile Murphy has drifted to Evens with Ladbrokes...
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    what is it about certain Lib Dems ?

    http://www.jewishnews.co.uk/calls-david-ward-expelled-party-control-mps-slur/

    "Labour MP John Woodcock responded to Ward on the micro-blogging site: “You’re a disgusting little man. Your party should throw you out.”

    Quite - but they won't

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Apparently Sky news love me...

    In case you didn't already know.

    Anyway only a took a 40 min 5(?) sec loop for the Briskin and co analalysis-

    Osborne - Dude
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    Worth hedging on Gordon Brown at 7/1 with Hills. Ladbrokes have cut him to 3s.

    WHat do you think of Murphy at Evens though :) ?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    fitalass said:

    And still the fall out from the Falkirk/Labour/Unite bust up continues to cast a shadow over the wider Labour party. And so Unite's anyone but Jim Murphy candidate is going to be Neil Findlay, well Unite's 'Anyone but David Miliband' choice has really worked out well for the Labour party? Not only has the Labour party failed to reach out and bring back on board those voters who went Conservative under Miliband, they are now in danger of leaking votes to UKIP in their Northern heartlands which could prove a double whammy at the next GE.

    It will be an absolute disaster for the Scottish Labour party if they allow Len McCluskey and Co to dictate who will be the next Scottish Leader of the Labour party. And if in the process, they deliberately set out to damage and undermine one of the most able Scottish Labour politicians, someone with a proven track record of taking the fight to the SNP and winning just so he doesn't get that job...

    Also worth noting that the Scottish NHS is not in the best of health right now, and yet most Scots probable have not even heard of Neil Findlay despite him holding the Shadow Health brief at Holyrood.... just saying.

    You got Sky news as well?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,046
    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    Reading your comment quickly, I saw: "the vaccine is for lefties".

    Which might have been the point you were making, that said.
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    isam said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
    Going to have to call you on hubris Isam. Hurst got his 40c spirits correct unfortunately...

  • Salient points in the latest ELBOW for week-ending 26th October:

    UKIP take a hit, dropping more than 1%
    Labour lead down to only 1%
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Floater, think you may've missed it last thread: are you the chap who wrote An Ever Rolling Stream? Just want to check before sending you some mail.
  • Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    MikeK said:

    I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the flu!I have the f*ckin' flu!

    Get well soon!
  • HurstLlamaHurstLlama Posts: 9,098
    isam said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
    Not feeling well enough to get out of bed is probably the biggest clue that one has real flu rather than the "man" version. Wanting to stay comfortable in bed with a good book and a continuous supply of drinkies and maybe a lap-top is the sign of a man recovering from a debilitating dose of the latter.
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited October 2014
    "The memo, seen by the Guardian and titled: “Ideas please: Sinking”, appears to be a plea from a jobcentre manager to her staff"

    That noise is the Guardian scraping the bottom of the barrel.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,121
    edited October 2014
    OK, we have full data tables for Opinium, so the official figures for The Sunil's ELBOW (Electoral Leader-Board Of the Week) for the week-ending 26th October - 9 polls with a total weighted sample of 12,308:

    Lab 33.4% (-0.3)
    Con 32.3% (+1.1)
    UKIP 15.9% (-1.2)

    LD 7.3% (-0.6)

    Lab lead 1.1% (-1.4%)

    Changes from our very first ELBOW for week-ending 17th August (10 polls, sample 12,463):

    Lab -2.8%
    Con -0.9%
    UKIP +2.8%
    LD -0.6%

    Lab lead -1.9% (ie. was 3.0, now 1.1)

    Take-home:
    * UKIP take a hit, dropping 1.2%
    * Tories main beneficiaries, gaining 1.1%
    * Lab drop very slightly by 0.3%
    * Consequent slashing of Lab lead by 1.4% to only 1.1%
    * LibDems drop 0.6% to 7.3%, joint-lowest ELBOW score (same as Sept 28th)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Probably won't watch it (need to get some work done) but Cameron's statement at 3.30pm about the EU may be quite significant.

    The meddlesome eunuchs of Brussels have stated that if we don't pay on time then they'll add interest payments.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29784488
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."
  • Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Arf

    FTR - is that paywalled?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
    The second quote is probably just Tory ministers sent down to grovel for votes by Dave
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JBriskin said:

    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Arf

    FTR - is that paywalled?
    The FT is, yes. The general thrust of the article is that a thinktank has recommended that London needs tax-raising powers devolved to it.
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014

    Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
    True enough actually BUT it means I've not given up hope entirely...
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    antifrank said:

    JBriskin said:

    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Arf

    FTR - is that paywalled?
    The FT is, yes. The general thrust of the article is that a thinktank has recommended that London needs tax-raising powers devolved to it.
    Give us a paragraph then...

    EDIT (Style guide) - Full academic remember...
  • isam said:

    Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
    The second quote is probably just Tory ministers sent down to grovel for votes by Dave
    Well they are being sent down there so many times everyone will think they are locals anyway!
  • Scrapheap_as_wasScrapheap_as_was Posts: 10,069
    edited October 2014
    isam said:

    Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
    The second quote is probably just Tory ministers sent down to grovel for votes by Dave
    Of course it is. Everyone else loves UKIP, or will do when they get it right.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    But, yes, I would like a paragraph from the FT article.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Does that include money paid in tax to the national exchequer, which gets given back to councils, such as education?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    JBriskin said:

    antifrank said:

    JBriskin said:

    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Arf

    FTR - is that paywalled?
    The FT is, yes. The general thrust of the article is that a thinktank has recommended that London needs tax-raising powers devolved to it.
    Give us a paragraph then...

    EDIT (Style guide) - Full academic remember...
    One more bit, but no more:

    "The Centre for London is demanding that London be given more power over its taxes – particularly property taxes – to ensure that it can meet its housing needs, as recommended by the London Finance Commission last year.

    The think-tank also wants the capital to have more control over its public services and greater powers to set a London minimum wage to improve the lot of ordinary people struggling to cope with expensive living and housing costs in the capital."
  • Perhaps it's not all over yet??

    Rafael Behr @rafaelbehr
    Top 2 political views on streets of Rochester seem to be 1. 'Too many Immigrants, go Ukip!' and 2. 'Please let it be anyone but Ukip' ...

    That's the Rafael Behr that has worked for The FT, The Observer, The BBC, The New Statesman and The Guardian is it? I imagine there are few with such an impressive left wing pedigree.

    What he doesn't do is actually say how far one is behind the other and given his pedigree if it was going his way I'm sure he would have done
    True enough actually BUT it means I've not given up hope entirely...
    Well given the nature of your posts I'd imagined that you didn't need the anecdotal support of left-wingers to sustain your 'hope'. Your natural 'optimism' for your party would surely have been enough?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Merci Antifrank
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Dancer,

    "Mr. Floater, think you may've missed it last thread: are you the chap who wrote An Ever Rolling Stream? Just want to check before sending you some mail."

    I'm the guilty party there.

    As you're the expert, some advice, please. I received a message from the publisher, Wild Wolf, last week saying the e-book had reached 31 in the "Alternative History" charts. Is that good or bad?


  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    London absolutely should not have tax-raising powers.

    I am staggered and baffled by the short-sighted balkanist lunacy of some who want to carve England up into rubbish regions and stupid city-regions. It's a recipe for a constitutional quagmire at best and the destruction of England as a single entity at worst.

    It's madness to look at the probably insurmountable (from a unionist perspective) problems we have with Scotland seek to bloody replicate it by dividing England up.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    RobD said:

    antifrank said:

    The Metropolitan Party's manifesto committee is mulling this over:

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d54a870-5d3d-11e4-873e-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3HMJ2ufaj

    "Barely 7 per cent of all tax paid by London’s residents and businesses is retained by its mayor and boroughs, compared with 50 per cent in New York.

    Three-quarters of the capital’s income comes from central government, compared with 31 per cent in New York, 25 per cent in Berlin and 17 per cent in Paris."

    Does that include money paid in tax to the national exchequer, which gets given back to councils, such as education?
    Don't ask me: I'm the piano player, not the composer.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. CD13, ah, I do beg your (and Mr. Floater's) pardon.

    It's good. Ok if I send you some mail about it?
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    MikeK,

    Best wishes. At your age, you need to take it easy.
  • I wonder if the leader of the UKIP Parliamentary Party will get the opportunity to quiz the Prime Minister on his statement about the daylight robbery that is the EU's Tart tax?
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380

    I wonder if the leader of the UKIP Parliamentary Party will get the opportunity to quiz the Prime Minister on his statement about the daylight robbery that is the EU's Tart tax?

    Mr Kent may be referencing Cammo being live on Sky news and in the commons now (for the lurkers)

  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    edited October 2014
    Invoice from EU:

    1.7Bn GBP

    Britain replies: F*ck your shit.
  • "Not quality assured until well into 2015"

    Well go figure. Kicked into the long grass after the general election!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    Dave's really stringing out this "We won't pay" malarkey for all it's worth isn't he :)

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    edited October 2014
    JBriskin said:

    Invoice from EU:

    1.7Bn GBP

    Britain replies: F*ck your shit.

    One would think he has a by-election against a Euro-sceptic party to win...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Pulpstar said:

    Dave's really stringing out this "We won't pay" malarkey for all it's worth isn't he :)

    Why does this remind me of the Poll Tax?
  • Pulpstar said:

    Dave's really stringing out this "We won't pay" malarkey for all it's worth isn't he :)

    Of course he is. Whats the most certain to get something unpopular through whilst mitigating the damage. Keep kicking it into the long grass until people either don't care or forget..........
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406

    London absolutely should not have tax-raising powers.

    I am staggered and baffled by the short-sighted balkanist lunacy of some who want to carve England up into rubbish regions and stupid city-regions. It's a recipe for a constitutional quagmire at best and the destruction of England as a single entity at worst.

    It's madness to look at the probably insurmountable (from a unionist perspective) problems we have with Scotland seek to bloody replicate it by dividing England up.

    Will I need to take my passport to Dirty Dicks ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    Ed M referencing my Economist link last night I think :(
  • Cameron looking like he has a bad case of wind whilst Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in.
  • Pulpstar said:

    London absolutely should not have tax-raising powers.

    I am staggered and baffled by the short-sighted balkanist lunacy of some who want to carve England up into rubbish regions and stupid city-regions. It's a recipe for a constitutional quagmire at best and the destruction of England as a single entity at worst.

    It's madness to look at the probably insurmountable (from a unionist perspective) problems we have with Scotland seek to bloody replicate it by dividing England up.

    Will I need to take my passport to Dirty Dicks ?
    Not if you know the secret handshake and password!
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    isam said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
    then you have never had the flu - utterly poleaxed me.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Dancer,

    Of course. Any advice gratefully accepted.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Just to even things up from the last thread, from the BBC news local section: "Two men have gone on trial accused of a string of sexual offences involving underage girls in Essex."

    Neither have names which suggest SE Asian origin.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    Mr. CD13, ha, seeing as you're 'properly' published before me advice should probably be flowing the other way :p

    Anyway, I'll jot down a few thoughts and send them over presently.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    "Miliband sticking a fairly convincing boot in"

    WHOA ?!

    Miliband is being convincing ?!
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I would be very, very surprised if this years vaccine was for last years virus. Normal practice is to identify the virus as it moves across from the East. That's why the vaccines are not delivered to surgeries etc until just before the "season" starts.

    Case as stated though, sympathies.
    That's right.

    It's an educated guess as to what the flu virus will look like in any given year, but they make a call around February based on the Asian patterns and then manufacture it for the following winter season in the West.
  • PAWPAW Posts: 1,074
    Best thing to do now is to use our forces in Lithuania to provoke the Russians... give the EU something else to worry about.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    That's all he was saying you muppet.

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    Floater said:

    isam said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
    then you have never had the flu - utterly poleaxed me.
    Yep, proper flu makes you ache everywhere, and it becomes very hard to move!
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    Floater said:

    isam said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....

    Man flu is definitely a debilitating illness, I should know as I catch it about three times a year. Fortunately its cure is known:

    1. A really large and very hot curry lunch washed down with at least two pints of Cobra

    2. A very large whisky (or whiskey) mixed with honey, lemon juice, glycerine and hot water (repeat dose every two to four hours)

    3 A bed with either an extra blanket or a thicker duvet and a good book (send other half to sleep in spare room).

    Works every time, but sometimes may take a couple of days especially if the weather is bad or there are crap chores that someone else will have to do because you are indisposed.
    Tempting fate, but I don't recall ever being ill enough to stay in bed all day
    then you have never had the flu - utterly poleaxed me.
    You're probably right, touch wood!

    Ed seems to be getting the better of Dave in the Commons... the Tories knew what was coming and when pulled up about it, Dave just plays the man and partisan jokes
  • PAW said:

    Best thing to do now is to use our forces in Lithuania to provoke the Russians... give the EU something else to worry about.

    Or blockade Kaliningrad :)
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    That's all he was saying you muppet.

    Oi.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    PAW said:

    Best thing to do now is to use our forces in Lithuania to provoke the Russians... give the EU something else to worry about.

    Arfy arf arf

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Cameron should say he is suspending ALL payments until this matter has been resolved.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    That's all he was saying you muppet.

    Oi.
    I canna withdraw it Rob D... I could apologise...

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,406
    TGOHF said:

    Cameron should say he is suspending ALL payments until this matter has been resolved.

    Yes we all can say what he "should" say but what is he actually saying ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    That's all he was saying you muppet.

    Oi.
    I canna withdraw it Rob D... I could apologise...

    I name the member.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited October 2014
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government

    Think Ken Clarke just put the boot in too

    Lots of tweets about it flying around, I am sure @Scott_P will be passing them on soon...
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    That's all he was saying you muppet.

    Oi.
    I canna withdraw it Rob D... I could apologise...

    I name the member.
    So can I.

    David Cameron MP

  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
  • JBriskinJBriskin Posts: 2,380
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Charles said:

    MikeK said:

    MikeK said:

    Smarmeron said:

    @MikeK
    "Man" flu is not an illness....Just get on with things you soft sod.

    You ignorant lump of cods wallop! I have a very bad flu, developing into Pneumonia if not careful.
    If you can post about it, you haven't got it!

    Anyway as a Kipper you were probably eligible for a flu-jab! Didn't you have it?
    I don't believe in flu vaccine, as the vaccine is for last years variety/ies. But seriously, first time I'm up in 2 days. It's a rotten flu this year. You have been warned.
    I would be very, very surprised if this years vaccine was for last years virus. Normal practice is to identify the virus as it moves across from the East. That's why the vaccines are not delivered to surgeries etc until just before the "season" starts.

    Case as stated though, sympathies.
    That's right.

    It's an educated guess as to what the flu virus will look like in any given year, but they make a call around February based on the Asian patterns and then manufacture it for the following winter season in the West.
    It's often a close call to have "this years" vaccine ready in time. I seem to recall things going awry at least once and surgeries scrabbling around for enough. It's, or at least was at one time, a very profitable exercise for GP's.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,366
    Mr Dancer,

    You're being too modest. Getting a publisher seems to be more about fitting into a niche, which is often a matter of luck.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,033
    JBriskin said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    YES IT IS

    It could equally mean he was going to pay 20bn on December 1st... which he won't do either.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Oh dear -Trade union candidate Neil Findlay and the old electoral college system.

    This has Falkirk written all over it…
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    RobD said:

    isam said:

    RobD said:

    isam said:

    Sounds like Dave just asked if he could pay in instalments

    I'm listening, but didn't catch that. What did he say?
    "I WILL NOT BE PAYING 2m EUROS

    ..... on dec 1st"

    Miliband got the better of him there in my opinion.. said that the treasury must have known what was coming, and it should have been no surprise to him.. Cameron just started criticising Balls and Milibands record in the last government
    That is hardly him suggesting he'll be paying in installments.
    Want to bet?
  • taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Cameron should say he is suspending ALL payments until this matter has been resolved.

    LOL

    Like that is going to happen.

    Meanwhile ever close integration goes on with the European Arrest Warrant.

    At least Ed Miliband is an honest Europhile.
  • Tissue_PriceTissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
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