Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) 24/09/2014 21:54 A man has been charged in connection with roadside bombs recovered from Al Anbar province in Iraq. He's from Wembley: bbc.in/1pdigjA
So am I, it was a really nice place to grow up in the 60's and 70's.
You accuse me of being too sure that I'm right. Well, I'll throw back that your position just appears to be one of supporting the party line. As ever. Tell me, how many times did you vote against the party whip in the thirteen years you were an MP?
35 times. And not enough. But as usual you ignore inconvenient parts of posts that you are responding to. I say I'm reluctantly in favour of bombing, you respond to ask if I'm in favour of bombing. I say I disagreed with my party over Libya, you respond that I always support the party line.
I'll leave you to it.
"But as usual you ignore inconvenient parts of posts that you are responding to."
Heh. I could say the same for you.
I'll give you Libya; you did disagree with your party there. But it still stands that your voting record was lamentable, although you were far from being the worst MP. Then again, I dislike the party system and the sheep-like MPs of all parties that it creates.
TSE Agree, and we need to wait for all the conferences to end to see the impact, but clearly Ed's speech will not be challenging JFK, MLK, even Thatcher or Kinnock in the greatest oratory of all time!
The fact that you are thankful that the mass-murdering, chemical-weapon using, terrorist supporting, hereditary madman is winning the war is enough.
And I see you dodge the OPCW issue.
Idiotic Orwellian doublespeak. Everyone in this thread knows it is the West and its allies who have supported terrorists in the region -to say it's Assad is simply you hoping if you tell a big enough lie enough times you'll get away with it. The rebels have also been the ones shown to be using chemical weapons -they are after all the people who we are now being asked to bomb. Hereditary mad man? Utter barrel scraping desperation.
Yawn. Another tacky Sun stunt. If all politicians are expected to be is no more than performing seals, it's no wonder most of them are crap these days.
@JGForsyth: Miliband getting in a real muddle over The Sun. Suspect that v few Lab people would have attacked him 4 Sun pic with Help 4 Heroes wristband
I think Labour are unchanged. But, it's not much of a bounce. IMHO, Labour could be c. 34% after the Tory conference.
This is a big opportunity for Cameron and the Conservatives to move into a lead. If he does, the panic in Labour will be great fun to watch. But, I do not underestimate Cameron & Osborne's ability to blow the opportunity, after all they put Billy Vague in charge of the EV4EL matter....
Ed on BBC with Robinson wasn't pretty either. Truly breathtaking lack of grasp of what he would face in No 10 ( or utter duplicity in pretending it'll be all ok on the night, while concealing the facts).
This man may well actually represent us in Beijing and Washington and Brussels. Just scary.
The fact that you are thankful that the mass-murdering, chemical-weapon using, terrorist supporting, hereditary madman is winning the war is enough.
And I see you dodge the OPCW issue.
Idiotic Orwellian doublespeak. Everyone in this thread knows it is the West and its allies who have supported terrorists in the region -to say it's Assad is simply you hoping if you tell a big enough lie enough times you'll get away with it. The rebels have also been the ones shown to be using chemical weapons -they are after all the people who we are now being asked to bomb. Hereditary mad man? Utter barrel scraping desperation.
People should watch this on the genisis of the entire Syrian conflict: (snip)
I would ask you to watch it if I thought for a second you were actively seeking facts rather than pursuing an agenda.
I've got no agenda related to this, real or hidden. You're welcome to think otherwise.
Does Ed Miliband have insurance? He needs it after that car crash of an interview..
It is of course entirely possible that EdM cannot drive Labour any lower through his own ratings. His negatives may not be capable of lowering the number anymore. Will GE 2015 be another election similar to GE 2010 etc where the Labour party Leader is omitted from Labour's election material?
The smart thing to do would be to get Ed to wear a HfH wristband and then put up a picture on the Labour party twitter feed, "supporting Help for Heroes". Get's around being on the Sun front page and angering half of his activist base but still is seen to be supporting a worthwhile cause.
Ed on BBC with Robinson wasn't pretty either. Truly breathtaking lack of grasp of what he would face in No 10 ( or utter duplicity in pretending it'll be all ok on the night, while concealing the facts).
This man may well actually represent us in Beijing and Washington and Brussels. Just scary.
No professional outfit would hire him as an Account Manager to represent their Company.
I don't think the Snow interview was all that bad. Miliband played a very poor hand pretty well. The car crash came previously, when he missed out major chunks of his speech on the two most important issues ranked by voters.
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
“For the 48 hours around David Cameron’s announcement on English votes, it was panic. Every option was considered. We were going to do English votes for English laws, an English parliament, and then we weren’t. It was like a democratic audit seminar.”
There is a worry that the past fortnight has been a foretaste of the election. “What you saw was what you will see in the short campaign,” said one.
Several sources said the real problem was the quality of many of the people around the leader. “I have never ever seen anything as dysfunctional. We make a decision. Then it’s reversed . . . It’s just the most chaotic organisation.”
Their collective eight-month job interview for Downing Street has begun.
The smart thing to do would be to get Ed to wear a HfH wristband and then put up a picture on the Labour party twitter feed, "supporting Help for Heroes". Get's around being on the Sun front page and angering half of his activist base but still is seen to be supporting a worthwhile cause.
Still don't think it is a big deal though.
The WWC will though, along with stuff like allowing Scottish MP's to vote on English laws it's all a gift for UKIP.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
After the fiasco with the Sun earlier in the summer, surely Ed Miliband and his team should have been prepared for a Sun stunt like this at their Conference and had a plan in place to avoid such a PR disaster? BBC - Ed Miliband apologises for offence over Sun picture
"Ed Miliband has apologised for any offence caused after he posed with a copy of the Sun newspaper.
The Labour leader was pictured holding a special edition of the paper which was sent to millions of homes free to mark the start of the World Cup.
Labour MPs have criticised their leader for associating himself with the paper, which has long been criticised for its reporting of the Hillsborough disaster.
Mr Miliband said he "understood the anger" felt on Merseyside about it.
Groups representing victims and survivors of the 1989 tragedy expressed anger at Mr Miliband's actions, one describing them as an "absolute disgrace"."
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
Well said.
I can't stand any attempts at imposing organised groupthink.
Ed Miliband can apologise all he likes, it wont make up for the fact that he is not up to the job. Cant even kiss his wife properly...... jeeez... He is just a dork, plain and simple, everything one sees, time after time, says the same thing. He is not up to the job of LOTO never mind PM.
Dai Havard (Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney) announces retirement for 2015. Born in 1950, first elected in 2001....I am not sure how many noticed him in these 13 years
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After the fiasco with the Sun earlier in the summer, surely Ed Miliband and his team should have been prepared for a Sun stunt like this at their Conference and had a plan in place to avoid such a PR disaster? BBC - Ed Miliband apologises for offence over Sun picture
"Ed Miliband has apologised for any offence caused after he posed with a copy of the Sun newspaper.
The Labour leader was pictured holding a special edition of the paper which was sent to millions of homes free to mark the start of the World Cup.
Labour MPs have criticised their leader for associating himself with the paper, which has long been criticised for its reporting of the Hillsborough disaster.
Mr Miliband said he "understood the anger" felt on Merseyside about it.
Groups representing victims and survivors of the 1989 tragedy expressed anger at Mr Miliband's actions, one describing them as an "absolute disgrace"."
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
the previous day I had forgotten to put on £100 at 66/1 Ibisevic to score a hat trick for Stuttgart because I had such a bad hangover... Of course it copped... A bad birthday weekend
I always lose money in matches involving Wigan.
Wigan were top of my list of teams never to get involved with, City were the same until the money turned up.
Did anyone read Richard Nabavi's feeble attempt to defend this government's record on Rotherham this morning ?
Posting multiple links to different versions of the same things in an attempt to make it look like they had done something.
No matter how many times you link to the same thing it doesn't help if it lacks all substance.
I was looking forward to your apology, but you seem to have to have gone completely bonkers on the subject. Frankly, you sound absolutely mad on this. Why on earth on you picking on Baroness Warsi in particular? I'm not particularly a fan of hers, but if you'd actually bothered to look at the links I'd posted, you'd find that she was one of the very few politicians who were sounding warnings early on.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
“For the 48 hours around David Cameron’s announcement on English votes, it was panic. Every option was considered. We were going to do English votes for English laws, an English parliament, and then we weren’t. It was like a democratic audit seminar.”
There is a worry that the past fortnight has been a foretaste of the election. “What you saw was what you will see in the short campaign,” said one.
Several sources said the real problem was the quality of many of the people around the leader. “I have never ever seen anything as dysfunctional. We make a decision. Then it’s reversed . . . It’s just the most chaotic organisation.”
Their collective eight-month job interview for Downing Street has begun.
Actually I forgot back in the day when Young Dave was campaigning for the Tory leadership he proposed an English Parliament well until Uncle Ken (Clarke) called him a xenophobe and he seemed to drop it.
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
This sort of photo opportunity, or the Ice bucket challenge are the modern politicians equivalent of baby kissing. Pointless but nessecary.
It is another example of how shambolic Eds media team is.
the previous day I had forgotten to put on £100 at 66/1 Ibisevic to score a hat trick for Stuttgart because I had such a bad hangover... Of course it copped... A bad birthday weekend
I always lose money in matches involving Wigan.
Wigan were top of my list of teams never to get involved with, City were the same until the money turned up.
Currently Southampton are not to be trusted.
My bogey side at the moment are Arsenal.
your bogey side, try being me!!!!
My bogey betting side.
My bogey side on the pitch is of course Crystal Palace.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
It's actually a Lib Dem policy but never mind the semantics, please explain how it will be implemented, how much it will cost and the approximate net figure it will raise.
While you are about it can you explain what equal rights for the self employed means please.
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
The point is, that there is no point to this. It's X Factor politics, and if we've really sunk so low that Milliband not doing The Sun's bidding is important, we're in trouble.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
You need to learn not to mess with the media. And you definitely need to learn not to mess with Help for Heroes. Well, not if you want to stand any chance of being PM.
He shares characteristics with another Ed: Miliband is the Ed Wood of politics.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
The point is, that there is no point to this. It's X Factor politics, and if we've really sunk so low that Milliband not doing The Sun's bidding is important, we're in trouble.
They've been playing X Factor politics for a decade or more from what I recall. We've been in trouble for quite a long time now....
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
The point is, that there is no point to this. It's X Factor politics, and if we've really sunk so low that Milliband not doing The Sun's bidding is important, we're in trouble.
They've been playing X Factor politics for a decade or more from what I recall. We've been in trouble for quite a long time now....
Yes, you're right on that. Maybe it's time to call a halt? I think we deserve better.
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
The point is, that there is no point to this. It's X Factor politics, and if we've really sunk so low that Milliband not doing The Sun's bidding is important, we're in trouble.
Oh for goodness sake stop being such a pompous arse. The media matter and anyone who goes into politics is far from noble. They know the score and don't start trying to make out that somehow Miliband takes some moral high ground. The man's a dangerous snake who did a massive amount of wheeling and dealing with the unions to get the top job ahead of his brother.
Politics isn't some rarified Oxbridge debating society it's nitty gritty about what matters to normal people and if you do something as stupid as not go along with the Help for Heroes when you're trying to be PM you deserve a fucking good kicking.
You need to learn not to mess with the media. And you definitely need to learn not to mess with Help for Heroes. Well, not if you want to stand any chance of being PM.
He shares characteristics with another Ed: Miliband is the Ed Wood of politics.
Doubts were growing yesterday over Labour’s mansion tax as experts warned that the plan was ill-conceived and based on “guesswork”.
Tim Knox , director of the Centre for Policy Studies think-tank, said: “The mansion tax plays very well with the Labour party and wider public sense of ‘them and us’, but it’s quite clear it’s not a real policy. A real policy has proper numbers, real methodology and a real impact assessment. This has none of them.”
He warned that the tax could be “incredibly damaging” to London and its place in the global economy. “It’s hard to think of something that raises such an insignificant amount of money which could cause such a significant amount of damage.”
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
The footballers won't pay anymore tax. What will happen is their agent will strong arm the club to pay them more to cover any tax increases and then the club will recoup the extra money by putting up ticket and merchandise prices amongst other things. Eventually it will be the ordinary supporter on the streets who will pay.
You didn't think the Sun Editorial team were going to just forget about Ed Miliband's very public apology for posing with a copy of their newspaper? And in asking that question of me, you missed the entire point of my post. Why aren't you directing that question at Ed Miliband's team of SPADS who get paid handsomely to avoid these PR disasters?
"David Cameron issued a humbling apology to the Queen last night for letting slip her ecstatic reaction to the Scottish referendum result.
The Prime Minister said he was ‘very embarrassed’ and ‘extremely sorry’ to have revealed the Queen’s private views during a conversation he did not know was being picked up by microphones.
His public apology to the monarch is thought to be without precedent for a serving premier. He said he would be following it up with a personal phone call."
After the fiasco with the Sun earlier in the summer, surely Ed Miliband and his team should have been prepared for a Sun stunt like this at their Conference and had a plan in place to avoid such a PR disaster? BBC - Ed Miliband apologises for offence over Sun picture
"Ed Miliband has apologised for any offence caused after he posed with a copy of the Sun newspaper.
The Labour leader was pictured holding a special edition of the paper which was sent to millions of homes free to mark the start of the World Cup.
Labour MPs have criticised their leader for associating himself with the paper, which has long been criticised for its reporting of the Hillsborough disaster.
Mr Miliband said he "understood the anger" felt on Merseyside about it.
Groups representing victims and survivors of the 1989 tragedy expressed anger at Mr Miliband's actions, one describing them as an "absolute disgrace"."
You need to learn not to mess with the media. And you definitely need to learn not to mess with Help for Heroes. Well, not if you want to stand any chance of being PM.
He shares characteristics with another Ed: Miliband is the Ed Wood of politics.
You need to learn not to mess with the media. And you definitely need to learn not to mess with Help for Heroes. Well, not if you want to stand any chance of being PM.
He shares characteristics with another Ed: Miliband is the Ed Wood of politics.
A moronic post. Truly cretinous.
'Bob' you've vainly attempted all day to prop up Miliband and in some ways I'm feeling rather warm towards you. Bereft of content you're like a nebula whose star long since burnt out but who leaves a distant glow: a reliquary of something that once had a place and purpose.
This will backfire on the Sun like berating Brown's letter to the mother of a deceased soldier did.
Brown's sympathy was because of his poor eyesight. Other than bad judgement exactly what disability has Ed Miliband got?
He's got the right to not to wear what The Sun want him to, to drive their agenda. Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
That's not the point really Yes he has the right to do whatever he wants within the law but it will seem churlish to many not involving himself in this campaign because of concerns about what some of his party members think. It's also rather dumb (as much of his attitudes to the News International Group have been) because Hfh is a popular and uncontentious issue and as the last election proved the Sun is still probably the most influential paper there is particularly amongst Labour's core working class vote and whilst it can't win elections anymore it can still go along way to influencing the outcome in marginal seats.
The point is, that there is no point to this. It's X Factor politics, and if we've really sunk so low that Milliband not doing The Sun's bidding is important, we're in trouble.
They've been playing X Factor politics for a decade or more from what I recall. We've been in trouble for quite a long time now....
Yes, you're right on that. Maybe it's time to call a halt? I think we deserve better.
If people didn't want it they wouldn't buy the Sun and those that don't? What right have they to stop others buying their paper of choice?
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Still the benefits of diversity and all that....
Heh. I could say the same for you.
I'll give you Libya; you did disagree with your party there. But it still stands that your voting record was lamentable, although you were far from being the worst MP. Then again, I dislike the party system and the sheep-like MPs of all parties that it creates.
'Shortly there will be an election, in which Labour will increase its majority'
Shall I do a thread on it tomorrow?
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/conference/2007/09/labour-majority-increase
Britain Elects (@britainelects)
24/09/2014 21:17
Best party to control immigration (ComRes):
UKIP - 43%
CON - 16%
LAB - 12%
LDEM - 4%
(DK) - 25%
ChristinaD @fitalass Oct 31
@SarahVine Really hope the Tories have a targeted love bombing operation in place aimed at getting Jeremy to defect over to the Blue side.
https://twitter.com/fitalass/status/396059242785828864
Another Ed disaster in the making or the Sun going too far?
Jim Waterson @jimwaterson 33s
Miliband refuses Sun's offer to pose with a wristband, so the paper runs "Ed hates Help for Heroes" on front page.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByU_CZJCEAIubwu.png
People should watch this on the genisis of the entire Syrian conflict:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwv7JXgPxLI&list=PLqQQFOVUZBLjYqXyt5LCbK3TDDqh8s_8r
The first man speaking in the video has now been murdered.
I would ask you to watch it if I thought for a second you were actively seeking facts rather than pursuing an agenda.
Not much Miliband could have done but Robinson just made Miliband look hopeless for not mentioning the deficit.
Robinson also said the Child Benefit 1% cap would save one thousandth of the deficit.
This man may well actually represent us in Beijing and Washington and Brussels. Just scary.
He cried.
Deficit
Debt
Total public spending
Health budget
Education
Welfare
Defence
All major tax rates
etc etc
Remember Rachel Reeves didn't know what the state pension was the other day.
Journalists are going to think they've got an open goal if Miliband doesn't get a grip right now of every key figure.
But the question is - is he numerate? Is he capable of remembering numbers? Does he have a feel of how the numbers all fit together?
Still don't think it is a big deal though.
Regarding Sion Simon - oh, go on, then!
Posting multiple links to different versions of the same things in an attempt to make it look like they had done something.
No matter how many times you link to the same thing it doesn't help if it lacks all substance.
How low can politics go?
Pathetic.
The SNP might go for another IndyRef.
Don't get me wrong, Milliband is a weapons grade c#¥#, but as a supporter of HfH myself, I can't get worked up over this. I got grief for telling a colleague who "nominated" me for that moronic Ice bucket thingy to knob off!
p.11 of the PDF
http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/ITV_News_Index_24th_September_2014.pdf
Right or wrong that is the reality.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2766383/Whoops-Labour-s-shadow-pensions-minister-Rachel-Reeves-does-not-know-state-pension-worth.html
BBC - Ed Miliband apologises for offence over Sun picture
"Ed Miliband has apologised for any offence caused after he posed with a copy of the Sun newspaper.
The Labour leader was pictured holding a special edition of the paper which was sent to millions of homes free to mark the start of the World Cup.
Labour MPs have criticised their leader for associating himself with the paper, which has long been criticised for its reporting of the Hillsborough disaster.
Mr Miliband said he "understood the anger" felt on Merseyside about it.
Groups representing victims and survivors of the 1989 tragedy expressed anger at Mr Miliband's actions, one describing them as an "absolute disgrace"."
I can't stand any attempts at imposing organised groupthink.
The scary thing is that he might become PM..
This group Scott?
"The Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) is a free-market neoliberal British policy think tank whose goal is to promote coherent and practical public policy, to roll back the state, reform public services, support communities, and challenge threats to Britain’s independence.[1] Although identified as non-partisan, the Centre has strong historical links to the Conservative Party.
It was co-founded by Conservatives Sir Keith Joseph, Alfred Sherman and Margaret Thatcher[2] in 1974 to champion economic liberalism in Britain[1] and has since played a global role in the dissemination of free market economics along monetarist and, what today would be called, neoliberal lines. Its policy proposals are claimed to be based on the principles of individual choice and responsibility. They also assert that they prioritise the concepts of duty, family, liberty, and the rule of law. The CPS has a stated goal of serving as the champion of the small state."
If this is a "stunt" by the Sun as you say, it's a pretty sick one, given it is for a charity for injured soldiers
Tory think tank attacks Labour policy.
In other news, ScottP spams PB.
In other news, ScottP spams PB.
Bobajob.. and what are you doing..????. Funnily enough, Scott P can post as many comments as he likes just as you can in response..
Actually I forgot back in the day when Young Dave was campaigning for the Tory leadership he proposed an English Parliament well until Uncle Ken (Clarke) called him a xenophobe and he seemed to drop it.
It is another example of how shambolic Eds media team is.
My bogey side on the pitch is of course Crystal Palace.
In other news, ScottP spams PB.
It's actually a Lib Dem policy but never mind the semantics, please explain how it will be implemented, how much it will cost and the approximate net figure it will raise.
While you are about it can you explain what equal rights for the self employed means please.
Scott, let me explain:
Taxing rich people in central London is popular.
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
While you are about it can you explain what equal rights for the self employed means please.
It means they're going to get clobbered for extra tax.
You need to learn not to mess with the media. And you definitely need to learn not to mess with Help for Heroes. Well, not if you want to stand any chance of being PM.
He shares characteristics with another Ed: Miliband is the Ed Wood of politics.
So I have to pay extra tax to enjoy the same rights as employees even though I can only claim those rights from myself?
Another vote winner, well done Ed.
"You need to learn not to mess with the media"
Indeed not, politicians would be well advised to remember who their masters are.
Taxing rich people in central London is popular.
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
Not true! Foreign footballers are very popular with their teams supporters.
Taxing rich people in central London is popular.
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
Scott, let me explain:
Taxing rich people in central London is popular.
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
Taxing the rich has paid dividends for Hollande in France, hasn't it.
Torres?
But hated by the supporters of every other team (except during transfer windows)?
Politics isn't some rarified Oxbridge debating society it's nitty gritty about what matters to normal people and if you do something as stupid as not go along with the Help for Heroes when you're trying to be PM you deserve a fucking good kicking.
Taxing rich people in central London is popular.
There is very limited sympathy for foreign oligarchs, foreign bankers and foreign footballers.
The footballers won't pay anymore tax. What will happen is their agent will strong arm the club to pay them more to cover any tax increases and then the club will recoup the extra money by putting up ticket and merchandise prices amongst other things. Eventually it will be the ordinary supporter on the streets who will pay.
David Cameron has just been caught bang to rights after being recorded indiscreetly discussing the Queen's reaction to the Indy Referendum result. His apology has made the front page of tomorrow's Daily Mail - Forgive me, your majesty: Cameron's humbling apology after boasting that Queen 'purred down the phone' to him over Scots vote
"David Cameron issued a humbling apology to the Queen last night for letting slip her ecstatic reaction to the Scottish referendum result.
The Prime Minister said he was ‘very embarrassed’ and ‘extremely sorry’ to have revealed the Queen’s private views during a conversation he did not know was being picked up by microphones.
His public apology to the monarch is thought to be without precedent for a serving premier. He said he would be following it up with a personal phone call."
You clearly weren't around when I was on here defending Maria Miller from the frothing pitchfork wavers.