@Easterross As I said, I don't really care who fathered who. Pictish convention was to hand "succession" through the maternal line which makes far more sense. As for our Lords, Ladies, and Royals? They gave up any claims in Scotland when they forgot what being a "chief" was about and sold themselves for gold. I must visit the "old chookie on the hill" and show him how much I respect him and his family again.
Like Jewishness. After all one know who one's mother is, but it's a wise child, they say ......
If all the don't knows break for NO then it's less than a 2-point swing from JackW's McARSE prediction. Surely the Prime Minister's two visits to Scotland will achieve that swing?
@craigawoodhouse: When do we get Salmond waving a Saltire and shouting "We're alright! We're alright!"?
Isn't that what's happening right now in George Square? Apparently a huge YES ceilidh/party has started in the Centre of Glasgow.
Stephen Paton @stephenpaton134 Something is happening in George Square. ;-) #indyref pic.twitter.com/AtQONpFeGw
Mphm, for those who are not familiar with it, it is the hallowed field of the Battle of George Square of 1919, redolent in Scottish socialist history, and perhaps more to the point, the address of City Chambers = Festung SLAB.
Bit of reverse proof... If it was a YES lead, our nat friends of this parish - who claim to be well connected - would be splurging it all over the place, rather than the routine neutral(ish) punters trawling twitter for clues.
Given there's nothing from them, particularly Stuart "tipping point" Dickson (I've got yer back mate) I think it's safe to say it isn't. Or they've got confused with the voodoo poll from earlier this afternoon.
The MacWhirtier rumour of a 6 point NO lead exactly matches the rumour I heard this morning (from a new, untested, therefore unreliable source) - which I mentioned on here.
Curiouser and curiouser.
I still don't trust any of it.
Wish those bastards at the polling companies weren't such big teases. A 6 pt No lead would be unchanged from their last poll (assuming it is the figure with dont knows counted seperate), which would be what panelbase saw.
In which case I'd be tempted to call YouGov's weird swings a total outlier. Except that TNS confirmed them.
Anyway, as things stand, it still looks like NO will just edge it.
Are the Scots stepping back from the cliff-edge?
YouGov might be an outlier in that its exaggerating the scale of the swing, but still there seems little doubt there's been a swing of some kind in recent weeks.
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
I know. Apols. I confess this is quite exciting tho.
And let's face it this is a once-in-300 years event. It rather puts any election in the shade. And the consequences are far greater. So maybe political geeks like us can be excused some hypertension.
It is a rather better political year than 2014, the height of excitement of that year was the Eastleigh by election. And that was a damp squib.
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
Osborne has added more debt than Brown and Darling did in 13 years of Labour govt.
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've a thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
I'd check if George Osborne is Scottish before taking that idea much further.
Bit of reverse proof... If it was a YES lead, our nat friends of this parish - who claim to be well connected - would be splurging it all over the place, rather than the routine neutral(ish) punters trawling twitter for clues.
Given there's nothing from them, particularly Stuart "tipping point" Dickson (I've got yer back mate) I think it's safe to say it isn't. Or they've got confused with the voodoo poll from earlier this afternoon.
The MacWhirtier rumour of a 6 point NO lead exactly matches the rumour I heard this morning (from a new, untested, therefore unreliable source) - which I mentioned on here.
Curiouser and curiouser.
I still don't trust any of it.
Wish those bastards at the polling companies weren't such big teases. A 6 pt No lead would be unchanged from their last poll (assuming it is the figure with dont knows counted seperate), which would be what panelbase saw.
In which case I'd be tempted to call YouGov's weird swings a total outlier. Except that TNS confirmed them.
Anyway, as things stand, it still looks like NO will just edge it.
Are the Scots stepping back from the cliff-edge?
YouGov might be an outlier in that its exaggerating the scale of the swing, but still there seems little doubt there's been a swing of some kind in recent weeks.
But if Survation is right, and YES are down at about 43, then they've got a long way to go, given that postal votes already sent are likely to be pro-NO.
Hm. God. The tension.
Are we finally seeing the last minute swing back to NO, as in most referendums?
Gordon Brown saved the world in 2008. Has he saved the union in 2014?
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've a thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
Interesting idea. However, following the principle of Cabinet government and collective responsibility, you would surely have to divvy it up by national membership of Cabinet, and you also might want to account for English-born MPs representing Scottish constituencies, Scots-born politicians representing English constituencies and politicians with a single Scottish grandparent [and vice versa].
This would make the calculation a lot more complicated, but it would help to represent the role that Scotland has played in the Union.
Bit of reverse proof... If it was a YES lead, our nat friends of this parish - who claim to be well connected - would be splurging it all over the place, rather than the routine neutral(ish) punters trawling twitter for clues.
Given there's nothing from them, particularly Stuart "tipping point" Dickson (I've got yer back mate) I think it's safe to say it isn't. Or they've got confused with the voodoo poll from earlier this afternoon.
The MacWhirtier rumour of a 6 point NO lead exactly matches the rumour I heard this morning (from a new, untested, therefore unreliable source) - which I mentioned on here.
Curiouser and curiouser.
I still don't trust any of it.
Wish those bastards at the polling companies weren't such big teases. A 6 pt No lead would be unchanged from their last poll (assuming it is the figure with dont knows counted seperate), which would be what panelbase saw.
In which case I'd be tempted to call YouGov's weird swings a total outlier. Except that TNS confirmed them.
Anyway, as things stand, it still looks like NO will just edge it.
Are the Scots stepping back from the cliff-edge?
YouGov might be an outlier in that its exaggerating the scale of the swing, but still there seems little doubt there's been a swing of some kind in recent weeks.
But if Survation is right, and YES are down at about 43, then they've got a long way to go, given that postal votes already sent are likely to be pro-NO.
Hm. God. The tension.
Are we finally seeing the last minute swing back to NO, as in most referendums?
Gordon Brown saved the world in 2008. Has he saved the union in 2014?
He might have, he might not have. Obviously these numbers tell us little about that given the timing of the fieldwork.
Imagine if an out of touch TORY Lord of the Manner Fop had gone to scotland today to campaign for a No vote and did so by pressing for a merger in the scottish and english footie teams as part of this... I mean how out of touch would he and his party be?
Typical sign of the Tory detachment from the masses...
If YES wins, what will happen to the UK Olympic team in 2016?
At Barcelona 1992, the former Soviet Union, which broke up the year before, competed (for the most part) as a Unified Team (I'm guessing corresponding to the CIS).
The last English monarch in the Queen's ancestry was Henry VII. The clue is in the name of the Royal Houses.
Henry VII was Welsh. The clue is, erm, in the name of the royal house. (Tudor traces back to Rhys ap Tewdwr, King of Deheubarth in the mid-11th century.)
Going by your definition, the last English king in the queen's direct ancestry is probably Edward IV, father of Henry VII's wife, Elizabeth of York.
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
Osborne has added more debt than Brown and Darling did in 13 years of Labour govt.
While trying to cut the Scots Chancellor created deficit with overly-severe-austerity, according to the likes of you!
Did you read what I wrote? I wrote that Brown & Darling had borrowed more than 8% of the debt; do you think that's wrong?
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
What is the 8%?
The deficit under Brown/Darling was no worse than that run under Ken Clarke/Lamont in 1992-97, until the banking catastrophe of 2007/8.
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've a thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
I'd check if George Osborne is Scottish before taking that idea much further.
Another one who thinks Brown & Darling weren't responsible for borrowing more than 8% of our debt? Really?
Mike Smithson @MSmithsonPB 13s CORRECTION Fieldwork for Survation/Record IndyRef poll was Sept 5 - 9. So early fieldwork was before S Times YouGov YES lead poll came out
Crumbs, was that them? Sheesh! Very nice for sure but to describe them as corset shoes immediately after a few sentences on the new three inch wedgies might have been a bit unfair on your male readers, Mrs C. Perhaps you could pace us a bit more next time.
God knows what you were expecting..... you do know that wedgies are shoes?
I will aim for less evocative descriptions. For the sake of your ice-clad wrists....
Of course I took wedgies to be shoes. I was just expecting something more of a stiletto heel with, I suppose, vavaoom. A pair of mildly high heeled sandals, very nice though they are, didn't come up to the billing.
And let's face it this is a once-in-300 years event. It rather puts any election in the shade. And the consequences are far greater. So maybe political geeks like us can be excused some hypertension.
Yeah, OK, I admit it's been getting quite exciting!
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
What is the 8%?
The deficit under Brown/Darling was no worse than that run under Ken Clarke/Lamont in 1992-97, until the banking catastrophe of 2007/8.
The percentage of UK population that are Scots, according to what I've read here, and the usual amount of UK debt that therefore is apportioned to Scotland by unionists (though the soon to be glorious separatists think they can just walk away from it).
Chris Deerin@chrisdeerin·15 secs I hear the SNP leaked the poll to draw the sting. What a shower. Record should sue them for the cost.
Now that the poll is out and they cant start rumours about it people are now starting rumours about who started rumours about the poll. Where will it end?
Chris Deerin@chrisdeerin·15 secs I hear the SNP leaked the poll to draw the sting. What a shower. Record should sue them for the cost.
Now that the poll is out and they cant start rumours about it people are now starting rumours about who started rumours about the poll. Where will it end?
The silly Cyberunionist NO campaign is full of negatives IMHO.
"The Scots are too stupid to rule themselves" "The Scots are too poor to rule themselves" "The Scots are too anti-English to rule themselves" "HM The Queen will have a heart attack and die if the Scots vote yes" "Scotland will immediately be consumed by the ocean if they vote yes" "There will be all-out global thermonuclear war if the Scots vote yes" "The Sun will go Nova and destroy the entire solar system if the Scots vote yes"
Following a resounding and well deserved YES!!!! next week I've thought of a starting point for debate on debt apportionment; by Chancellor nationality. I'm sure Brown & Darling racked up rather more than 8% and I don't see why us FUKers should be responsible for their profligacy.
Osborne has added more debt than Brown and Darling did in 13 years of Labour govt.
While trying to cut the Scots Chancellor created deficit with overly-severe-austerity, according to the likes of you!
Did you read what I wrote? I wrote that Brown & Darling had borrowed more than 8% of the debt; do you think that's wrong?
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Tipping Point
New #indyref poll from @Survation
No 47.6% Yes 42.4% DK 9.9%
Excluding undecideds:
No 53% Yes 47%
Same as two months ago.
Welcome back to the jocks! We missed you.
Keep Calm and Carry On.
Current FAV is 45.01 - 50 Percent at 2.34
(2.75 at Ladbrokes)
Tupping point?
This would make the calculation a lot more complicated, but it would help to represent the role that Scotland has played in the Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Team_at_the_1992_Summer_Olympics
Going by your definition, the last English king in the queen's direct ancestry is probably Edward IV, father of Henry VII's wife, Elizabeth of York.
But hardly worth Surv's ramping.
Did you read what I wrote? I wrote that Brown & Darling had borrowed more than 8% of the debt; do you think that's wrong?
Survation Tables
http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Headline-Referenedum-Vote-Table.pdf
The deficit under Brown/Darling was no worse than that run under Ken Clarke/Lamont in 1992-97, until the banking catastrophe of 2007/8.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/oct/18/deficit-debt-government-borrowing-data
And annoyingly, these speculative hints from papers/pollsters are becoming more prevalent.
we need more bureaucrats in Scotland!
CORRECTION Fieldwork for Survation/Record IndyRef poll was Sept 5 - 9. So early fieldwork was before S Times YouGov YES lead poll came out
It'll be something of an anti-climax if it doesn't happen.
Chris Deerin@chrisdeerin·15 secs
I hear the SNP leaked the poll to draw the sting. What a shower. Record should sue them for the cost.
Well they won't get to hold one afterwards.
2014 local election result:
Lab 39.9%
UKIP 24.4%
Con 21.4%
LD 9.8%
If Tories vote UKIP, Labour could be in a spot of bother.
Mr. T, premature jubilation is perhaps to be expected for a man of Salmond's age
Survation Indyref poll gives Better Together some good news »
DEs for No stood at 38%, As at 55% at least they know who's expected to pay for Salmond's mess.
Stand by for an influx of X3s heading south
Would it not be funny if extending the franchise to 16+ was the difference between YES and NO?
"The Scots are too stupid to rule themselves"
"The Scots are too poor to rule themselves"
"The Scots are too anti-English to rule themselves"
"HM The Queen will have a heart attack and die if the Scots vote yes"
"Scotland will immediately be consumed by the ocean if they vote yes"
"There will be all-out global thermonuclear war if the Scots vote yes"
"The Sun will go Nova and destroy the entire solar system if the Scots vote yes"
Er, you get the picture!
6ft?
Not for me...
Simply must have a pair.
I was thinking, if Scotland does go her own way, would that mean McDonald's would have to re-brand itself "Donald's" in the rUK?