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  • Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    No it was Standard Life moving to England and two oil nonentities (BP & SHELL) deriding the SNP's oil lies forecast.

    The mortgage news was the cherry on the cake....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Ben Walker (@MisterBenWalker)
    10/09/2014 14:46
    Ukip's Cllr Vines: "There are still Labour Cllrs here who knew and did nothing. They have not resigned. No action taken against them"
  • FF42FF42 Posts: 114
    Neil said:

    FF42 said:

    Your point about involuntary emigration reducing nominal unemployment is a good one.

    I wasnt making a serious commentary on your analysis. I didnt really think it deserved one.
    I don't mind. It's useful. Thanks.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    what do you expect from a tool like him
    Does he drive an X3?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    what do you expect from a tool like him
    hey come on Salmond started it. It seems any old bollocks goes in the final days, as a paddy who has long borne the jibes of the thick Irish I look forward to passing on the baton to the tartan turnips.

    spell IQ.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited September 2014
    The Westminster parties have shown total contempt for people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland over the last few days. Trying to bribe Scottish voters in order to keep their hands on UK-wide power.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,173
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    I think you're on the wrong site - you want Porn betting .com
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    edited September 2014

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_P said:

    @pollycurtis: Banks could block new mortgages in Scotland if it votes for independence http://t.co/Ao6SzZAiTl

    sensible house prices in no time in an independent scotland!
    That's the DM front page sorted for tomorrow ...
    How about The Express - 'Was Diana killed to prevent her moving to an independent Scotland?'
    I laughed, even of it is not my usual reading matter, so I find it hard to judge parodies of it!

    Re the chap who asked about what is so Black about Wednesday, I was wondering too. Mr Alexander (D., LD subspecies) apparently reckons it comprises the Standard Life and BP announcements according to Andrew Sparrow on the Graun feed - and Mr Sparrow says "Somehow, it doesn’t feel as if that is going to catch on."

    And Mr Cameron is apparently coming back to Scotland on Monday, What is he going to do, walk aaround a Fife town and have his Toryboys offer the locals six-packs of Standard Grade eggs from Lidl?


  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    ...three inch wedgies...

    *eyes water*
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    I think you're on the wrong site - you want Porn betting .com
    Is there such a thing? (Just curious. I'm not going to look!)

  • malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    what do you expect from a tool like him
    Does he drive an X3?
    What's wong with the X3 ? Got me out of quite a few tricky winter problems.
  • Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    What utter bell-endery
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Smarmeron said:

    @Carnyx
    For a given definition of Scottish?

    The last English monarch in the Queen's ancestry was Henry VII. The clue is in the name of the Royal Houses.
    House of Stewart/Stuart James VI and I through to his great granddaughter Anne
    House of Hanover from George I, great grandson of James VI and I through his daughter Elizabeth the last Princess born in Scotland (before the late Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon) down to George's 4x great grandson Edward VII
    House of Windsor from Edward VII's son George V to his great granddaughter Elizabeth II.

    In short since 1603 the entire Royal house has been Germano-Scottish. The late Queen Mother was the first non German/Danish royal consort since William of Orange who was a king regnant himself anyway.

    James VI and I had the advantage of being the great grandson of Princess Margaret Tudor through both his parents as she was grandmother to both Mary Queen of Scots and Henry Lord Darnley. He was the only serious successor to Elizabeth I rather than his cousins, the descendants of Princess Mary Tudor, Duchess of Suffolk.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:

    The Westminster parties have shown total contempt for people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland over the last few days. Trying to bribe Scottish voters in order to keep their hands on UK-wide power.

    I think they've shown contempt of Northern Ireland - there's a serious constitutional crisis emerging there and they are just ignoring it.

    As for their back of a fag packet Devomax plans - I think that's more blind panic and incompetence than contempt of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

  • Imagine if an out of touch TORY Lord of the Manner Fop had gone to scotland today to campaign for a No vote and did so by pressing for a merger in the scottish and english footie teams as part of this... I mean how out of touch would he and his party be?

    Typical sign of the Tory detachment from the masses...

  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    No it was Standard Life moving to England and two oil nonentities (BP & SHELL) deriding the SNP's oil lies forecast.

    The mortgage news was the cherry on the cake....
    Sadly, any doomsaying from now on looks like coordinated desperation, and will sadly lack the impact of a statement made earlier in the year.

    But with things so squeaky, it might make all the difference. I still think the large number of DKs will swing strongly to NO and save the day, and the union.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395

    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    It's all over if it is 54% IMO. Unstoppable momentum for independence.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @chrisdeerin: Scotland is a proud and vibrant nation, but the path of separation is a fool's errand - major FT editorial http://t.co/IQ5hwVJ4l8
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Westminster parties have shown total contempt for people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland over the last few days. Trying to bribe Scottish voters in order to keep their hands on UK-wide power.

    I think they've shown contempt of Northern Ireland - there's a serious constitutional crisis emerging there and they are just ignoring it.

    As for their back of a fag packet Devomax plans - I think that's more blind panic and incompetence than contempt of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:

    The Westminster parties have shown total contempt for people in England, Wales and Northern Ireland over the last few days. Trying to bribe Scottish voters in order to keep their hands on UK-wide power.

    I think they've shown contempt of Northern Ireland - there's a serious constitutional crisis emerging there and they are just ignoring it.

    As for their back of a fag packet Devomax plans - I think that's more blind panic and incompetence than contempt of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    there's ALWAYS a serious consititutional crisis in NI, if the politicians miss this one they can be sure another one will be along soon.
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Easterross
    Fascinating, what was the royal lineage of the "Stewards" before they took the throne?
    I of course, might count the line of succession from the "Mad Earl" if I could be bothered to give a damn about who someones parents were.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/09/independence-scottish-mind-has-shown-failure-british-nationalism

    Interesting Gerry Hassan piece - and re the PBer who was asking about Ms Sturgeon, it helpfully says

    "This goes beyond dislike of Tories. Rather embarrassingly for Labour, Cameron and Miliband have the exact same levels of trust in Scotland: 23 per cent. The supposed saviour of the hour, Gordon Brown, is on 32 per cent (the same as Alistair Darling). First Minister Alex Salmond has a 42 per cent rating after seven years in office and Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon, 44 per cent."

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @GuidoFawkes: Guido informed source re #Indyref speculation on the polling tonight "Half the speculation is right."
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've just been re-reading Andrew Alderson's excellent book about his tour of duty in Iraq post the initial invasion. He was a merchant banker with Lazards before being mobilised via the TA, and ended up sorting out the economy of Basra et al after a casual mess conversation.

    There's a great bit at the beginning when he discovers that the US military had cleared the Iraqi Central Bank of its notes and had them stashed in half a dozen massive shipping containers within the Green Zone. Andrew got his hands on $1bn of them - the first $48m arrived by helicopter in bin liners...

    It's a super book.
    Scott_P said:

    A new central bank in an independent Scotland would need big stockpiles of sterling if the country opted to adopt the pound without an agreement with the rest of the United Kingdom, Bank of England Governor Mark Carney said on Wednesday.

    He also said it was likely that economic borders would build up between an independent Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom.

    Little more than a week before Scotland votes on independence, Carney told members of Britain's parliament that a Scottish central bank might need sterling reserves equivalent to at least 25 percent of Scottish gross domestic product.
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/10/uk-scotland-independence-carney-idUKKBN0H51NM20140910

  • Neil said:

    I think they've shown contempt of Northern Ireland - there's a serious constitutional crisis emerging there and they are just ignoring it.

    As for their back of a fag packet Devomax plans - I think that's more blind panic and incompetence than contempt of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    The problem is the utterly illogical devolution settlement, whereby the Assembly cannot levy taxes, but has very substantial powers over welfare. In a time of economic crisis, and with the Assembly's inherent inability to make controversial decisions, the settlement was always going to come unstuck.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    AndyJS said:

    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    It's all over if it is 54% IMO. Unstoppable momentum for independence.
    Rich pickings for Custody Service businesses in London if that's true.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    AndyJS said:

    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    It's all over if it is 54% IMO. Unstoppable momentum for independence.
    paul skinback ‏@foreXskin 39s
    @StephenCarr5 @helenam27 that's a false rumour from the AM, based on the barker poll http://barker.co.uk/scotlandpoll #survation #indypoll

    Simply copying. No idea myself.

    Anothher tweet suggests 53% Yes, but there are others...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,514
    SeanT said:

    @helenam27 21m
    Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    If that is true, and it seems reliable, I am calling it for YES.

    Well look on the upside, we can solve the deficit pretty quick now. All you have to do is go to Scotland find a local and trade 5 magic beans for 1 million barrels of oil, they literrally are that gullible.

    #jockandthebeanstalk
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Neil said:

    I think they've shown contempt of Northern Ireland - there's a serious constitutional crisis emerging there and they are just ignoring it.

    As for their back of a fag packet Devomax plans - I think that's more blind panic and incompetence than contempt of England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    The problem is the utterly illogical devolution settlement, whereby the Assembly cannot levy taxes, but has very substantial powers over welfare. In a time of economic crisis, and with the Assembly's inherent inability to make controversial decisions, the settlement was always going to come unstuck.
    Particularly when SF is eyeing up electoral gains on a left wing platform in the Republic.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "Government whips 'making contingency plans for a yes vote', says Sky News

    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    Sky News also says Number 10 has confirmed that David Cameron will return to Scotland to campaign on Monday next week."

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live#block-54106d0ce4b0f4333c5dc5c8
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Smarmeron said:

    @Carnyx
    For a given definition of Scottish?

    The last English monarch in the Queen's ancestry was Henry VII. The clue is in the name of the Royal Houses.
    House of Stewart/Stuart James VI and I through to his great granddaughter Anne
    House of Hanover from George I, great grandson of James VI and I through his daughter Elizabeth the last Princess born in Scotland (before the late Princess Margaret, Countess of Snowdon) down to George's 4x great grandson Edward VII
    House of Windsor from Edward VII's son George V to his great granddaughter Elizabeth II.

    In short since 1603 the entire Royal house has been Germano-Scottish. The late Queen Mother was the first non German/Danish royal consort since William of Orange who was a king regnant himself anyway.

    James VI and I had the advantage of being the great grandson of Princess Margaret Tudor through both his parents as she was grandmother to both Mary Queen of Scots and Henry Lord Darnley. He was the only serious successor to Elizabeth I rather than his cousins, the descendants of Princess Mary Tudor, Duchess of Suffolk.
    Many thanks, most interesting with some connections I was unaware of. I do rather doubt that HM would be moving permanently to Scotland, though!

  • I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    felix said:

    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    isam said:

    felix said:

    isam said:

    Without a nanny state, the pharmacist that recommended I use extra large condoms may have not have got sufficient training and could have been working on the checkout in Aldi

    Lol. How did you explain your particular needs one wonders?
    Tripped over it on the way in!
    I think you're on the wrong site - you want Porn betting .com
    Apols! Didn't mean to lower the tone, and obv I am making all this up!

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    Grandiose said:

    AndyJS said:

    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    It's all over if it is 54% IMO. Unstoppable momentum for independence.
    paul skinback ‏@foreXskin 39s
    @StephenCarr5 @helenam27 that's a false rumour from the AM, based on the barker poll http://barker.co.uk/scotlandpoll #survation #indypoll

    Simply copying. No idea myself.

    Anothher tweet suggests 53% Yes, but there are others...
    That's a voodoo poll isn't it?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
  • Daily Record bringing forward poll's release to I0 pm.
  • @Survation UPDATE follow @davieclegg who will release @Daily_Record #indyref headline figs EARLIER at 10.00pm.Tables will be tweeted by us here.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    Doesnt that just mean we have no strong rumours. Why not start one of our own. Everyone go on twitter and say Survation is 50:50 please.

  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    SeanT said:

    @helenam27 21m
    Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    If that is true, and it seems reliable, I am calling it for YES.

    54% Yes would get a bit more hyping than 'ooooh it's a bit interesting'. No way is that the figure.

    I'm going for no movement or a 1% fall back for Yes.
  • rogerhrogerh Posts: 282
    SeanT said:

    @helenam27 21m
    Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    If that is true, and it seems reliable, I am calling it for YES.

    54% is likely to be minimum safety figure.Virtually all postal votes will have been cast with no ahead including Survation.Then there is the LMP -last minute panic factor.I will be waiting for ICM.


  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited September 2014
    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    I know an analyst at Survation. She's not on the Indy team but she says that Cameron and Miliband will be sleeping MUCH easier tonight. A lot of people have finally come off the fence...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_P said:

    @pollycurtis: Banks could block new mortgages in Scotland if it votes for independence http://t.co/Ao6SzZAiTl

    sensible house prices in no time in an independent scotland!
    That's the DM front page sorted for tomorrow ...
    How about The Express - 'Was Diana killed to stop her supporting independence for Scotland?'
  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @isam
    "Apols! Didn't mean to lower the tone, and obv I am making all this up!"
    Just as well you said that, or a few of our more "light on their feet" posters would be asking to view the source material.
    :-)
  • Good roundup Sean.

    One thing that baffles me is that if the Noes have it, it's little different from Surv's last poll, hence hardly worth the ramping?
  • YES saying its 104% "Yes" (well, you know what they are like with numbers.....)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Anorak said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    I know an analyst at Survation. She's not on the Indy team but she says that Cameron and Miliband will be sleeping MUCH easier tonight. A lot of people have finally come off the fence...
    If they don't, I'm sure the Premier Inn will give them their money back.
  • Carnyx said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

    Labour Conference...

  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Grandiose said:

    AndyJS said:

    WikiGuido's avatar
    Alex Wickham
    @WikiGuido
    Let the fevered speculation begin... RT @helenam27: Rumour Survation poll out tonight will put Yes ahead at 54%

    It's all over if it is 54% IMO. Unstoppable momentum for independence.
    paul skinback ‏@foreXskin 39s
    @StephenCarr5 @helenam27 that's a false rumour from the AM, based on the barker poll http://barker.co.uk/scotlandpoll #survation #indypoll

    Simply copying. No idea myself.

    Anothher tweet suggests 53% Yes, but there are others...
    From the Barker poll:

    "The question was displayed to 2,873 people, from which 1,000 responded."

    Displayed means online of some sort (web-users) and not face to face or direct speech.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534

    Good roundup Sean.

    One thing that baffles me is that if the Noes have it, it's little different from Surv's last poll, hence hardly worth the ramping?

    Well, the original tweet said "quite something".

    No movement from Survation would be "quite something" given what's been happening. As would a lead for Yes.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL - so true.

    Imagine if an out of touch TORY Lord of the Manner Fop had gone to scotland today to campaign for a No vote and did so by pressing for a merger in the scottish and english footie teams as part of this... I mean how out of touch would he and his party be?

    Typical sign of the Tory detachment from the masses...

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,498

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    what do you expect from a tool like him
    Does he drive an X3?
    bit of green cheese there methinks
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916
    Plato said:

    LOL - so true.

    Imagine if an out of touch TORY Lord of the Manner Fop had gone to scotland today to campaign for a No vote and did so by pressing for a merger in the scottish and english footie teams as part of this... I mean how out of touch would he and his party be?

    Typical sign of the Tory detachment from the masses...

    If YES wins, what will happen to the UK Olympic team in 2016?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337

    Carnyx said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

    Labour Conference...

    Thanks!

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,534
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    Hah.

    Er... I'm hoping that is a joke?

    The 53 No 47 Y rumour comes from Iain McWhirter, about as well connected as it gets. However he's pro indy and he might be having fun with expectation, and also that poll represents no movement from Survation's prior poll - so how is that "quite something"?!

    Yes, just joking.

    Ian McWhirter's tweet seemed honest to me, rather than a bit of reverse ramping.

    It would be "quite something" in the way that the dog failing to bark in the night was "quite something."

  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited September 2014
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:

    have I missed the news to mark black wednesday for the nats and to cheer union fans?

    was it prescott calling on his soapbox for a combined england/scotland football team .... that must have turned it all around?

    I presume it is the mortgage news.
    Actually no - Danny Alexander is saying, with a atright face, that the annoucements from BP and Standard Life are the "Balck Wednesady" event.

    Talk about a fucking let down.

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
    what do you expect from a tool like him
    Does he drive an X3?
    bit of green cheese there methinks
    Over a hairdressers X5? You think? Ha Ha Ha.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The reality is that out of 54 Indy polls this year, a single solitary survey has put Yes ahead, by 47% to 45%.
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    I know an analyst at Survation. She's not on the Indy team but she says that Cameron and Miliband will be sleeping MUCH easier tonight. A lot of people have finally come off the fence...
    Is that a wind-up? This is not a time for wind-ups? How reliable is your friend?
    I posted that immediately after Neil's "let's start a rumour" post. And it's ALWAYS time for wind-ups.
  • tessyCtessyC Posts: 106
    Financier said:



    If YES wins, what will happen to the UK Olympic team in 2016?

    Looks like rUK would be OK as we would still be under the British Olympic Committee, Scotland would not have time to set up a Committee and be recognised apparently.

    http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/sep/06/scotland-independence-rio-olympics-sir-craig-reedie
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Smarmeron said:

    @Easterross
    Fascinating, what was the royal lineage of the "Stewards" before they took the throne?
    I of course, might count the line of succession from the "Mad Earl" if I could be bothered to give a damn about who someones parents were.

    Smarmeron, if you are particularly interested, let me know and I'll tell you. But for the plague in Lincoln in 1361 it would be my lot who would have been on the throne (of Scotland at least) rather than the Stewarts etc.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Carnyx said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

    By Election that they might lose to the Kippers
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    edited September 2014


    Crumbs, was that them? Sheesh! Very nice for sure but to describe them as corset shoes immediately after a few sentences on the new three inch wedgies might have been a bit unfair on your male readers, Mrs C. Perhaps you could pace us a bit more next time.

    God knows what you were expecting..... you do know that wedgies are shoes?

    I will aim for less evocative descriptions. For the sake of your ice-clad wrists....
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    I know an analyst at Survation. She's not on the Indy team but she says that Cameron and Miliband will be sleeping MUCH easier tonight. A lot of people have finally come off the fence...
    Is that a wind-up? This is not a time for wind-ups? How reliable is your friend?
    Whenever there are people who stand to gain or lose large amounts of money I am deeply deeply suspicious of these 'I have a friend who tells me … blah blah' type messages. We get them every time and, frankly, I think Mike should instantly ban them unless they can name the source. This is, after all, a betting site.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    I wonder if Oscar Pistorius is looking forward to his last night of freedom? Tomorrow's big announcement.
  • Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    Hah.

    Er... I'm hoping that is a joke?

    The 53 No 47 Y rumour comes from Iain McWhirter, about as well connected as it gets. However he's pro indy and he might be having fun with expectation, and also that poll represents no movement from Survation's prior poll - so how is that "quite something"?!

    Yes, just joking.

    Ian McWhirter's tweet seemed honest to me, rather than a bit of reverse ramping.

    It would be "quite something" in the way that the dog failing to bark in the night was "quite something."

    A No lead after latest round of polls would be "quite something". It would also be first poll in which some fieldwork was done after the big YG poll was published. That said, as McWhirter is a political journalist it's a bit of a no-no to have broken an embargo. I think he's likely to have been fed figures by someone rather than having seen them himself.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

    By Election that they might lose to the Kippers
    Er, no, not that, on many grounds.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    We have a squabble over who gets Chris Hoy's medals?
    Financier said:

    Plato said:

    LOL - so true.

    Imagine if an out of touch TORY Lord of the Manner Fop had gone to scotland today to campaign for a No vote and did so by pressing for a merger in the scottish and english footie teams as part of this... I mean how out of touch would he and his party be?

    Typical sign of the Tory detachment from the masses...

    If YES wins, what will happen to the UK Olympic team in 2016?
  • Mr. T, unless her surname really is Lament that looks like a parody account.
  • Anorak said:

    SeanT said:

    Anorak said:

    Sean_F said:

    SeanT said:

    I have just seen 53 No 47 Yes on Twitter.

    Others saying that's false.

    We now have three strong rumours

    Y 53 N 47

    Y 54 N 46

    And

    N 53 Y 47

    lol
    I'm hearing 64% Yes.

    I know an analyst at Survation. She's not on the Indy team but she says that Cameron and Miliband will be sleeping MUCH easier tonight. A lot of people have finally come off the fence...
    Is that a wind-up? This is not a time for wind-ups? How reliable is your friend?
    I posted that immediately after Neil's "let's start a rumour" post. And it's ALWAYS time for wind-ups.
    Lol.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @craigawoodhouse: When do we get Salmond waving a Saltire and shouting "We're alright! We're alright!"?
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Now Survation is publishing at 10pm according to Twitter. Wonder if they will be able to hold out that long?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    SeanT said:

    wtf?

    I'm an idiot - that was a parody account

    Mea culpa!

    It might be time to take a deep breath and relax.

  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Financier said:


    If YES wins, what will happen to the UK Olympic team in 2016?

    Any "Scottish" athletes that line up for TeamGB get abused by angry Nats
  • audreyanneaudreyanne Posts: 1,376
    Right. I'm going to suggest taking that last further.

    Name your source or shut up. There is a lot of money that can be won or lost and mischief may be in the air.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    My mind jumped to the other definition of a wedgie too!

    And I don't mean the 80s haircut


    Crumbs, was that them? Sheesh! Very nice for sure but to describe them as corset shoes immediately after a few sentences on the new three inch wedgies might have been a bit unfair on your male readers, Mrs C. Perhaps you could pace us a bit more next time.

    God knows what you were expecting..... you do know that wedgies are shoes?

    I will aim for less evocative descriptions. For the sake of your ice-clad wrists....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    AndyJS said:

    The reality is that out of 54 Indy polls this year, a single solitary survey has put Yes ahead, by 47% to 45%.

    It is remarkable and concerning how swiftly chaos has descended, and how firm the momentum to yes despite the arguments not shifting at all in recent week. Unfortunately, even if it is all a temporary moment, that's all that is needed, so long as it is the right moment.

  • stodgestodge Posts: 13,986
    isam said:

    You'll be lucky.. the bookies all just trace Betdaq

    Well if I manage to back a couple of decent-priced winners I really won't give a proverbial about who's following who.

  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Right. I'm going to suggest taking that last further.

    Name your source or shut up. There is a lot of money that can be won or lost and mischief may be in the air.

    My source is Stuart Truth.

  • SmarmeronSmarmeron Posts: 5,099
    @Easterross
    As I said, I don't really care who fathered who. Pictish convention was to hand "succession" through the maternal line which makes far more sense.
    As for our Lords, Ladies, and Royals? They gave up any claims in Scotland when they forgot what being a "chief" was about and sold themselves for gold.
    I must visit the "old chookie on the hill" and show him how much I respect him and his family again.
  • Mike smites people with the ban hammer who deliberately post or make up inaccurate polling information.

    There's 4 million plus staked on betfair alone on this.

    Just saying like.
  • Cam' down, Cam' down..

    It'll be a NO lead. But there's still 8 days to go..
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    isam said:

    Carnyx said:

    Neil said:

    AndyJS said:


    According to Sky News, government whips are making contingency plans for a yes vote. They are contacting MPs to find out where they will be after 18 September in case there has to be an emergency recall of parliament.

    I imagine a lot of the opposition will be on their way to Manchester shortly after the result is announced.
    Er, why Manchester please?

    By Election that they might lose to the Kippers
    Thanks!

  • OblitusSumMeOblitusSumMe Posts: 9,143
    edited September 2014
    Anorak said:

    Sadly, any doomsaying from now on looks like coordinated desperation, and will sadly lack the impact of a statement made earlier in the year.

    I think it was Jonathan Freedland who argued the opposite. If the NO campaign had concentrated on fluffy positive stuff about the Union for the past couple of years they could then go to the fear, uncertainty and doubt stuff late on to seal the deal.

    Because they've been banging on about the prospect of disaster for so long it's become a repetitive droning noise and is being discounted.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Now Survation is publishing at 10pm according to Twitter. Wonder if they will be able to hold out that long?

    Interesting times, no doubt. I do not think that David Cameron campaigning in Scotland will help the NO campaign.

  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Scott_P said:

    @craigawoodhouse: When do we get Salmond waving a Saltire and shouting "We're alright! We're alright!"?

    Isn't that what's happening right now in George Square? Apparently a huge YES ceilidh/party has started in the Centre of Glasgow.

    Stephen Paton @stephenpaton134
    Something is happening in George Square. ;-) #indyref pic.twitter.com/AtQONpFeGw
  • Bit of reverse proof... If it was a YES lead, our nat friends of this parish - who claim to be well connected - would be splurging it all over the place, rather than the routine neutral(ish) punters trawling twitter for clues.

    Given there's nothing from them, particularly Stuart "tipping point" Dickson (I've got yer back mate) I think it's safe to say it isn't. Or they've got confused with the voodoo poll from earlier this afternoon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,950
    edited September 2014
    Formula E: didn't realise this was starting so soon. Jennie Gow will be fronting it for ITV, first race is on the 13th, apparently:
    http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-releases/jennie-gow-front-itv4-formula-e-coverage

    Edited extra bit: there's a Betfair market which hasn't got going yet, but nothing on Ladbrokes.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,337
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    wtf?

    I'm an idiot - that was a parody account

    Mea culpa!

    It might be time to take a deep breath and relax.

    I know. Apols. I confess this is quite exciting tho.

    And let's face it this is a once-in-300 years event. It rather puts any election in the shade. And the consequences are far greater. So maybe political geeks like us can be excused some hypertension.
    Bit like waiting for Christmas when you are five - with the difference that your presents might get taken away ...

  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited September 2014
    SeanT said:

    Hold on - lol - now this? -

    iainmacwhirter 49s
    Survation set back. Expecting: No 53% Yes, 47% Unconfirmed. But Better Together will say that Peak Salmond has passed.

    FFS. Chaos on Twitter.

    Rumours everywhere.

    You appear surprised! - when are there not 'rumours & chaos' on twitter? #fullofnutters
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,704
    Smarmeron said:

    @Easterross
    As I said, I don't really care who fathered who. Pictish convention was to hand "succession" through the maternal line which makes far more sense.
    As for our Lords, Ladies, and Royals? They gave up any claims in Scotland when they forgot what being a "chief" was about and sold themselves for gold.
    I must visit the "old chookie on the hill" and show him how much I respect him and his family again.

    Like Jewishness. After all one know who one's mother is, but it's a wise child, they say ......
  • Cameron's speech was very good I thought. I do think he should go out and get shouted at though. It's a bit of a win win.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262

    Scott_P said:

    @craigawoodhouse: When do we get Salmond waving a Saltire and shouting "We're alright! We're alright!"?

    Isn't that what's happening right now in George Square? Apparently a huge YES ceilidh/party has started in the Centre of Glasgow.

    Stephen Paton @stephenpaton134
    Something is happening in George Square. ;-) #indyref pic.twitter.com/AtQONpFeGw
    They're going to be sooooo angry if it's 'No' next week.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Plato said:

    My mind jumped to the other definition of a wedgie too!

    And I don't mean the 80s haircut

    Well... that is a new one. Maybe I should read Wiktionary more?

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wedgie

  • Scanning the FE drivers. Quite interesting:
    http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/teams.aspx

    Couple of ladies, one space to be filled and a share of ex- (and possibly future) F1 drivers.

    Chandhok and Senna were the original HRT pairing, I think. Da Costa has been spoken of as an F1 driver a few times. Trulli and Heidfeld will be driving as well.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SeanT said:

    Neil said:

    SeanT said:

    wtf?

    I'm an idiot - that was a parody account

    Mea culpa!

    It might be time to take a deep breath and relax.

    I know. Apols. I confess this is quite exciting tho.

    And let's face it this is a once-in-300 years event. It rather puts any election in the shade. And the consequences are far greater. So maybe political geeks like us can be excused some hypertension.
    It is a rather better political year than 2014, the height of excitement of that year was the Eastleigh by election. And that was a damp squib.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @Daily_Record: BREAKING. Our latest #indyref poll has 53% No, 47% Yes. More to follow.
  • @BeverelyC

    Perhaps Hurst was expecting something like this?

    http://www.viecouture.com/oo-la-la-corset-shoes/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,031
    SeanT said:

    Bit of reverse proof... If it was a YES lead, our nat friends of this parish - who claim to be well connected - would be splurging it all over the place, rather than the routine neutral(ish) punters trawling twitter for clues.

    Given there's nothing from them, particularly Stuart "tipping point" Dickson (I've got yer back mate) I think it's safe to say it isn't. Or they've got confused with the voodoo poll from earlier this afternoon.

    The MacWhirtier rumour of a 6 point NO lead exactly matches the rumour I heard this morning (from a new, untested, therefore unreliable source) - which I mentioned on here.

    Curiouser and curiouser.

    I still don't trust any of it.
    Wish those bastards at the polling companies weren't such big teases. A 6 pt No lead would be unchanged from their last poll (assuming it is the figure with dont knows counted seperate), which would be what panelbase saw.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Has the embargo been broken?

    Britain Elects @britainelects
    Scottish Independence Poll (Survation):
    YES - 47%
    NO - 53%
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