Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Nick Sutton @suttonnick · Friday's Times front page - "Let us come home, say young British jihadists" #tomorrowspaperstoday #bbcpapers #IS pic.twitter.com/hJzN8KBhtD
Incredible
Emily Thornberry thinks we should let them come home then go through the proper channels to prosecute once they've bombed London.
Not making this up, watch yesterday's daily politics
If she means "Arrest them at the airport" I'm not that against that, though I also don't object to just keeping them away. If we have an open and shut case (for example, they are identifiable from a video killing someone) then we should be able to process them quickly, and I'd rather have them in jail for 40 years than staying in Syria killing more people.
To be fair I've just watched it again and I think I have misrepresented her a bit... It's worth watching I've never sen Andrew Neil so angry
He was arguing they should be made stateless, she was saying arrest them. At one point in the row he said "why let people in who are going to bomb us?" She aid "we should arrest them..." But I think she meant before they bomb us rather than after
Wow, I just saw this Times front page. Sorry, they've made their bed by choosing to fight for ISIS. If they come back here, they should be arrested and charged under the terrorism act, and put in prison for a long time.
Its possible they went to Syria when the UK government was supporting the ISIS side against Assad.
Normally I'd dismiss that sort of article as journalistic froth. However, it chimes rather well with a rumour I've heard from another source, although that rumour didn't relate to the date.
Its a pretty pointless idea it seems to me. Darling's 2010 budget was 24 March, so its no great shakes. Whats the point of having it earlier? March is the date for the Budget. In fact its worse than a pointless idea because it shows how hopeless the LDs have been in a coalition government. All they want to do is attack their partners rather than support their jointly agreed policies. And they wonder why their vote has declined. They espoused coalition... co-operation ... but in coalition they have constantly sought differentiation. They have completely subverted the notion of coalition - certainky I see no reason to vote for PR which would give us constant coalition. And this leads us on to the notion of the LDs being in constant coalition thanks to PR. Far from being high sounding the LDs are really self serving. The tory party has been really quite selfless in tuning their back on PR and i think rightly.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
And so is Thornberry,people like her high up in the labour party is a reason why my family stopped voting labour.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
I like him... But I'm no expert on law so I defer
Personally I'd have the army kneecap them at the airport
KLE4 For goodness sake, if it is a 1% Yes lead in a poll sponsored by Yes, with the polling company which has already produced the only Yes lead of the entire referendum, then this is not the time to be running around like headless chickens. Two established pollsters, yougov and Survation, have No with a 6% lead after the only event which can really have produced a bounce for Yes, the second debate. The last Panelbase for Yes was only 52-48% No, so on the same 4 point Yes bounce as the other 2 polls Yes should be 4 points ahead not one.
In any case, a yougov is due out in the ST on Sunday, which will be announced on Saturday night, so little time for the Panelbase to make an impact, if that also shows a Yes then that is the time for No to start panicking. But hopefully, with Miliband making a clear left of SNP pitch to Labour voters today Labour is finally getting its act together. The Tories have done their job for No, their voters are overwhelmingly No, as, largely, have the LDs, the SNP to be fair to them have done the same for Yes with their supporters overwhelmingly Yes. Labour has not with a third of Labour supporters now for Yes, as they have most to lose electorally it seems they have finally woken up, with Brown and Reid also making tours of the Central Belt
In many if not most elections the losing side still leads in a couple of polls, and in Quebec in 1995 Yes led in all the final polls but No still won as undecideds went for No
Obama got 51.1% of the vote in 2012 and that was good enough to put his finger on the nuclear button. He carried just 26 states compared with 24 by Romney.. 6% is enormous.
Looking at the American electoral map I do find it amjusing to see places like Georgia and the Carolinas voting Republican now. I'm sure James Longstreet would be amused as well.
KLE4 For goodness sake, if it is a 1% Yes lead in a poll sponsored by Yes, with the polling company which has already produced the only Yes lead of the entire referendum, then this is not the time to be running around like headless chickens. Two established pollsters, yougov and Survation, have No with a 6% lead after the only event which can really have produced a bounce for Yes, the second debate. The last Panelbase for Yes was only 52-48% No, so on the same 4 point Yes bounce as the other 2 polls Yes should be 4 points ahead not one.
In any case, a yougov is due out in the ST on Sunday, which will be announced on Saturday night, so little time for the Panelbase to make an impact, if that also shows a Yes then that is the time for No to start panicking. But hopefully, with Miliband making a clear left of SNP pitch to Labour voters today Labour is finally getting its act together. The Tories have done their job for No, their voters are overwhelmingly No, as, largely, have the LDs, the SNP to be fair to them have done the same for Yes with their supporters overwhelmingly Yes. Labour has not with a third of Labour supporters now for Yes, as they have most to lose electorally it seems they have finally woken up, with Brown and Reid also making tours of the Central Belt
In many if not most elections the losing side still leads in a couple of polls, and in Quebec in 1995 Yes led in all the final polls but No still won as undecideds went for No
Obama got 51.1% of the vote in 2012 and that was good enough to put his finger on the nuclear button. He carried just 26 states compared with 24 by Romney.. 6% is enormous.
Looking at the American electoral map I do find it amjusing to see places like Georgia and the Carolinas voting Republican now. I'm sure James Longstreet would be amused as well.
On signing the Civil Rights Act in 1964, LBJ lamented that this would cost Democrats the South for a generation. He underestimated.
In my home state of Georgia there is not a single statewide elected Democrat.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
This is great news for Yes.
Hah! A phrase I haven't heard in a while, since things have actually been good for Yes
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
This is great news for Yes.
Hah! A phrase I haven't heard in a while, since things have actually been good for Yes
One of my friend's is a Scot, and he lives in England, and he says the best thing for No is the polls tightening.
His biggest fear for years has been that the polls show a big no lead, no voters stay at home thinking it is a forgone conclusion and Yes wins that way.
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
This is great news for Yes.
Hah! A phrase I haven't heard in a while, since things have actually been good for Yes
One of my friend's is a Scot, and he lives in England, and he says the best thing for No is the polls tightening.
His biggest fear for years has been that the polls show a big no lead, no voters stay at home thinking it is a forgone conclusion and Yes wins that way.
Yeah, the closer it is, the higher the turnout will be. Good for democracy!
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
Words simple fail me, not only does Ed Miliband turn up late to the Indy Ref debate, he then tries to use the debate to play Westminster politics. What a complete and utter pillock!
Alan Cochrane in Daily Telegraph - Crass Miliband must get his priorities right "Ed Miliband did himself no favours yesterday with his attempt to use some words of Ruth Davidson as a stick with which he could beat David Cameron.
The Tory leader who, as even her political opponents in Scotland concede, was "taking one for the team" when she let slip that according to the current polls a Cameron victory in next year's general election was not "likely". But like a drowning man clutching at a straw, Mr Miliband engineered a stupid story that he believed would aid his own chances next spring.
The official reason was that rubbishing the idea of a Tory victory helped the chances of a No vote in the referendum, but what the Labour leader didn't bargain on or simply ignored was the genuine annoyance his crass behaviour caused in the Better Together camp."
Don't know if anyone on here has mentioned it, but Joan Rivers died today.
I still remember seeing her many years ago on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Carson asked her if she thought men went for intelligence over looks.
She shot right back with "A man doesn't put his hand up a woman's dress looking for a llibrary card". She was very funny.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
I didn't call the BBC rightwing. They're clearly the most impartial. Most of the broadcast media is OK, though not as good as the BBC.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
Words simple fail me, not only does Ed Miliband turn up late to the Indy Ref debate, he then tries to use the debate to play Westminster politics. What a complete and utter pillock!
Alan Cochrane in Daily Telegraph - Crass Miliband must get his priorities right "Ed Miliband did himself no favours yesterday with his attempt to use some words of Ruth Davidson as a stick with which he could beat David Cameron.
The Tory leader who, as even her political opponents in Scotland concede, was "taking one for the team" when she let slip that according to the current polls a Cameron victory in next year's general election was not "likely". But like a drowning man clutching at a straw, Mr Miliband engineered a stupid story that he believed would aid his own chances next spring.
The official reason was that rubbishing the idea of a Tory victory helped the chances of a No vote in the referendum, but what the Labour leader didn't bargain on or simply ignored was the genuine annoyance his crass behaviour caused in the Better Together camp."
Unfortunately for you Tories and Unionists, Labour "playing Westminster politics" is the best chance No has got.
People brighter than you, like David Cameron, no doubt know this.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
I didn't call the BBC rightwing. They're clearly the most impartial. Most of the broadcast media is OK, though not as good as the BBC.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
I think I remember on one This Week he said he was a lapsed Republican
Good call by Harry! Quite something when 27.9% is enough to win the seat - can't beat FPTP for fun and games.
Yes indeed. Anyone know what the lowest winning percentage anywhere has been in a FPTP election? 1992 in Inverness is apparently the lowest for the UK Parliament at 26.0%, 3.41% separating the top 4, though the same page links to an extraordinary result in Caithness in 1945 where it was:
Unionist Eric Leslie Gandar Dower 5,564 33.5% Labour Robert MacInnes 5,558 33.4% Liberal Sir Archibald Sinclair 5,503 33.1%
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
The tendency of presenters to puff themselves up and try to dominate the debate is a pernicious American thing which has been creeping in with Clarkson, Neil and Paxman. It's another bit of show biz conquering serious debate, and it sucks regardless of whether the presenter is left- or right-wing. If they want to express their own opinions, let them stand for office.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
The tendency of presenters to puff themselves up and try to dominate the debate is a pernicious American thing which has been creeping in with Clarkson, Neil and Paxman. It's another bit of show biz conquering serious debate, and it sucks regardless of whether the presenter is left- or right-wing. If they want to express their own opinions, let them stand for office.
Nice balance of left and right in your examples there Nicholas
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
I didn't call the BBC rightwing. They're clearly the most impartial. Most of the broadcast media is OK, though not as good as the BBC.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
Just read this post again of yours - hugh posted -
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias
Again,what are you doing in the post above,you do make me laugh Hughie lad.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
The tendency of presenters to puff themselves up and try to dominate the debate is a pernicious American thing which has been creeping in with Clarkson, Neil and Paxman. It's another bit of show biz conquering serious debate, and it sucks regardless of whether the presenter is left- or right-wing. If they want to express their own opinions, let them stand for office.
Communist prejudicing the whole USA?
Horrible lefty tactic, but I'll use it
Replace "American" with" Pakistani" and read it again
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
I didn't call the BBC rightwing. They're clearly the most impartial. Most of the broadcast media is OK, though not as good as the BBC.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
Just read this post again of yours - hugh posted -
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias
Again,what are you doing in the post above,you do make me laugh Hughie lad.
Rightwing bias everywhere - lol
I pretty clearly said most of the broadcast media is pretty impartial you big lump of lard.
The rest of the media is a different story, obviously, no-one with a brain would try to deny that.
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
Neil is unapologetically rightwing. I like him for niche stuff like the Daily Politics, but the BBC shouldn't let him have high profile gigs like Newsnight where impartiality is required.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
I didn't call the BBC rightwing. They're clearly the most impartial. Most of the broadcast media is OK, though not as good as the BBC.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
Just read this post again of yours - hugh posted -
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias
Again,what are you doing in the post above,you do make me laugh Hughie lad.
Rightwing bias everywhere - lol
I pretty clearly said most of the broadcast media is pretty impartial you big lump of lard.
The rest of the media is a different story, obviously, no-one with a brain would try to deny that.
To the insults,you must be rattled Hughie - lol - loving it ;-)
Lord George Robertson just shifted some more into the yes camp. Said an independent Scotland would be a minor entity at the north of Britain. He's got to be deep undercover.
Lord George Robertson just shifted some more into the yes camp. Said an independent Scotland would be a minor entity at the north of Britain. He's got to be deep undercover.
His record in precisely avoiding the mot juste is unrivalled.
Lord George Robertson just shifted some more into the yes camp. Said an independent Scotland would be a minor entity at the north of Britain. He's got to be deep undercover.
Possible, but perhaps a better way of saying it would be to point out that the Union allows the Scots to 'piggy back' their infulence onto a wider world stage. As part of the Union the Scots have a big (bigger) say in the world. It may be of course that there is a kipper element to the Nats who would rather the world went away - I don't know.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
The tendency of presenters to puff themselves up and try to dominate the debate is a pernicious American thing which has been creeping in with Clarkson, Neil and Paxman. It's another bit of show biz conquering serious debate, and it sucks regardless of whether the presenter is left- or right-wing. If they want to express their own opinions, let them stand for office.
Nice balance of left and right in your examples there Nicholas
Typical Neil. He asks people for their opinions and then talks over them to tell them why they are wrong, when he does not have the knowledge to base his view. Thornberry is a lawyer and expressed what most experts have said on the subject. But of course Neil knows more than all these experts, as he had read information on the subject.
Neil really is an egotistical knob !
And so is Thornberry,people like her high up in the labour party is a reason why my family stopped voting labour.
kle4 Indeed, no reporting of Robertson comments on BBC news website or any newspaper I can see, though if he did say them he is an idiot and I am a No, Yes or No Scotland remains a great nation, night!
kle4 Indeed, no reporting of Robertson comments on BBC news website or any newspaper I can see, though if he did say them he is an idiot and I am a No, Yes or No Scotland remains a great nation, night!
He said in the referendum programme that goes out weeknights in Scotland
Typical of the newspapers' reports of Roy Hodgson's reaction to England's awful performance against Norway at Wembley on Wednesday evening, the Daily Mail reported:
"A furious Roy Hodgson blew his top over criticism of England’s uninspiring performance in their 1-0 victory over Norway at Wembley. Clearly irritated when asked to comment on the fact his side had only two shots on target, Hodgson snapped back: ‘I’m not going to judge it because someone is going to tell me, “Well, you only had two shots at goal” because that is absolute f****** b*******, I’m sorry.’"
Oh dear, it would seem that Fleet Street has at last turned en bloc against Woy and once that happens the England manager has absolutely no chance of recovering the situation. Some elements of the press believe he should already have been sacked after England's miserable showing at the World Cup this summer.
For those who believe the England manager will see out his current contract, those nice people at bwin are offering odds of 8/11, for those who believe otherwise, including yours truly, they are offering even money. DYOR.
Eh ahm a Eh But will only have an impact if news picks it up, in any case looking at it in context he was criticising the SNP's proposals for a very small armed forces and warning what the consequences would be, so nowhere near as bad as I first thought anyway, night!
Typical of the newspapers' reports of Roy Hodgson's reaction to England's awful performance against Norway at Wembley on Wednesday evening, the Daily Mail reported:
"A furious Roy Hodgson blew his top over criticism of England’s uninspiring performance in their 1-0 victory over Norway at Wembley. Clearly irritated when asked to comment on the fact his side had only two shots on target, Hodgson snapped back: ‘I’m not going to judge it because someone is going to tell me, “Well, you only had two shots at goal” because that is absolute f****** b*******, I’m sorry.’"
Oh dear, it would seem that Fleet Street has at last turned en bloc against Woy and once that happens the England manager has absolutely no chance of recovering the situation. Some elements of the press believe he should already have been sacked after England's miserable showing at the World Cup this summer.
For those who believe the England manager will see out his current contract, those nice people at bwin are offering odds of 8/11, for those who believe otherwise, including yours truly, they are offering even money. DYOR.
I tend to agree with you Peter, he is hopeless. However he is the perfect FA yes man and I'm struggling to come up with an alternative,
They won't go back to Hoddle, just leaves the likes of Bruce, Pardew and Pearce.
Typical of the newspapers' reports of Roy Hodgson's reaction to England's awful performance against Norway at Wembley on Wednesday evening, the Daily Mail reported:
"A furious Roy Hodgson blew his top over criticism of England’s uninspiring performance in their 1-0 victory over Norway at Wembley. Clearly irritated when asked to comment on the fact his side had only two shots on target, Hodgson snapped back: ‘I’m not going to judge it because someone is going to tell me, “Well, you only had two shots at goal” because that is absolute f****** b*******, I’m sorry.’"
Oh dear, it would seem that Fleet Street has at last turned en bloc against Woy and once that happens the England manager has absolutely no chance of recovering the situation. Some elements of the press believe he should already have been sacked after England's miserable showing at the World Cup this summer.
For those who believe the England manager will see out his current contract, those nice people at bwin are offering odds of 8/11, for those who believe otherwise, including yours truly, they are offering even money. DYOR.
I tend to agree with you Peter, he is hopeless. However he is the perfect FA yes man and I'm struggling to come up with an alternative,
They won't go back to Hoddle, just leaves the likes of Bruce, Pardew and Pearce.
Nigel - should Woy lose his job I suspect that would most likely happen next summer when the F.A. would "only" have to pay out one year's compensation, plus there's always the remote possibility that he might resign in the meantime, especially if he were to keep losing his rag as he did at Wednesday's Press Conference and/or after continuously being slagged off in the papers which I fear is now in prospect (rule no. 1 as England manager - don't upset the Press or you're dead meat).
Good call by Harry! Quite something when 27.9% is enough to win the seat - can't beat FPTP for fun and games.
Yes indeed. Anyone know what the lowest winning percentage anywhere has been in a FPTP election? 1992 in Inverness is apparently the lowest for the UK Parliament at 26.0%, 3.41% separating the top 4, though the same page links to an extraordinary result in Caithness in 1945 where it was:
Unionist Eric Leslie Gandar Dower 5,564 33.5% Labour Robert MacInnes 5,558 33.4% Liberal Sir Archibald Sinclair 5,503 33.1%
Turnout in the Carfax (Oxford) by-election is 8.6%. That's a record low.
Students don't return for another 4 weeks.
Rather cynical of Labour to call the by-election before the students return... or did they have no choice?
I know it's a difficult issue, but I've never really been in favour of allowing students to register to vote at their university. They are transient members of the community.
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Clackmannanshire has a small population/electorate so maybe that will be first, although it's likely to be close IMO so I assume that would lead to a recount and delay things.
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Thanks, I wonder if you could add a sheet where you can enter results as they come in, it will fill in the undeclared regions and project a result. The more results in, the more accurate it becomes (obviously).
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Thanks, I wonder if you could add a sheet where you can enter results as they come in, it will fill in the undeclared regions and project a result. The more results in, the more accurate it becomes (obviously).
That's what I'm angling for also. Perhaps the UNS swing from? 1997? and/or a lead required to overturn the current position (as I've used effectively in United States primary elections).
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Thanks, I wonder if you could add a sheet where you can enter results as they come in, it will fill in the undeclared regions and project a result. The more results in, the more accurate it becomes (obviously).
That's what I'm angling for also. Perhaps the UNS swing from? 1997? and/or a lead required to overturn the current position (as I've used effectively in United States primary elections).
Well I was thinking scaling from a comparison between Andys projection and the actual result.
Rod: they're just my personal predictions. I've tried to take as many different "influences" into account, including the 1997 referendum results.
Doing a scaling between my predictions and the result is one idea, except it'll go wrong if I'm embarrassingly wide of the mark, which is very possible.
Will there be an exit poll at 10pm on 18th September?
No
Referendum night will be a hell of a lot more interesting in that case.
Do we have a sense of declaration times for the various councils (or counting areas)?
If you look at my Scottish prediction spreadsheet, you can see how many total votes are likely to be cast in each council area or alternatively the electorate or population. The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
Thanks, I wonder if you could add a sheet where you can enter results as they come in, it will fill in the undeclared regions and project a result. The more results in, the more accurate it becomes (obviously).
Yes I'm thinking of doing something like that. Difficult to believe the media won't do something similar but you never know.
It is a drive that the party badly needs – but some argue it is already too late. There is strong evidence that growing numbers of traditional Labour supporters are intending to vote Yes in the referendum, angry at how the party has aligned itself with the Conservatives on certain issues. A YouGov poll this week revealed that support for independence among Labour voters had risen from 18 per cent to 30 per cent in the past month. A Blantyre passer-by distilled the party's problem into a two-word insult: “Labour Tories!”
One lifetime Labour supporter at the speech, who declined to be named, said Mr Miliband should stand down as leader in the event of a Yes vote. “I think he’s a nice chap, but a lot of the MPs they’ve brought in up here are not streetwise. You have to be able to talk to people on the street and be able to understand what they’re saying,” she said.
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Neil really is an egotistical knob !
In fact its worse than a pointless idea because it shows how hopeless the LDs have been in a coalition government. All they want to do is attack their partners rather than support their jointly agreed policies. And they wonder why their vote has declined. They espoused coalition... co-operation ... but in coalition they have constantly sought differentiation.
They have completely subverted the notion of coalition - certainky I see no reason to vote for PR which would give us constant coalition.
And this leads us on to the notion of the LDs being in constant coalition thanks to PR. Far from being high sounding the LDs are really self serving. The tory party has been really quite selfless in tuning their back on PR and i think rightly.
BTW does anyone know what shithole council estate Old Dean in Surrey Heath is ?
However for all the silly stuff Dave and Co have got up to, Lynton Crosby applies the Bojo magic in April 2015 and the Tories look like clear winners.
Will it not be the case that the Scottish voters will then destroy labour and vote SNP huge numbers and the Tories have a win win?
6% is enormous.
Looking at the American electoral map I do find it amjusing to see places like Georgia and the Carolinas voting Republican now. I'm sure James Longstreet would be amused as well.
Labour 290 Con 196 UKIP 171
In my home state of Georgia there is not a single statewide elected Democrat.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias.
Folkestone Harvey Central (Shepway):
UKIP GAIN from Conservative
PolitiCrumb @politicrumb 1m
Looks like the Panelbase poll rumours is just BT playing manipulative expectation games. I'll believe it when I see it #indyref #voteyes
The Labour leader's decision to try to use Ruth Davidson's words against her can only weaken the fight to stop the break-up of Britain
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11076427/Crass-Miliband-must-get-his-priorities-right.html
https://www.google.it/maps/preview?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&channel=sb&ie=UTF-8&q=32+mitcham+road+camberley&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=51.352965,-0.720466&cbp=13,184.3,0,0,0&cbll=51.353145,-0.720445&ei=JugIVJmsJsfnaJLigdAE&ved=0CCMQxB0wAA
postal code says it is within the Old Dean ward.
Folkestone Harvey Central (Shepway) result:
UKIP - 27.9% (+27.9)
CON - 21.7% (-17.3)
LDEM - 19.2% (+2.3)
LAB - 19.0% (-9.1)
OTH - 12.1%
Folkestone Harvey Central (Shepway) vote result:
UKIP - 287
CON - 224
LDEM - 198
LAB - 196
GRN - 96
TUSC - 29
UKIP WIN!
His biggest fear for years has been that the polls show a big no lead, no voters stay at home thinking it is a forgone conclusion and Yes wins that way.
Your doing the same,rightwing media bias,have you read your post back to yourself and you calling people numbskulls/idiots - lol
Alan Cochrane in Daily Telegraph - Crass Miliband must get his priorities right
"Ed Miliband did himself no favours yesterday with his attempt to use some words of Ruth Davidson as a stick with which he could beat David Cameron.
The Tory leader who, as even her political opponents in Scotland concede, was "taking one for the team" when she let slip that according to the current polls a Cameron victory in next year's general election was not "likely". But like a drowning man clutching at a straw, Mr Miliband engineered a stupid story that he believed would aid his own chances next spring.
The official reason was that rubbishing the idea of a Tory victory helped the chances of a No vote in the referendum, but what the Labour leader didn't bargain on or simply ignored was the genuine annoyance his crass behaviour caused in the Better Together camp."
I still remember seeing her many years ago on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson. Carson asked her if she thought men went for intelligence over looks.
She shot right back with "A man doesn't put his hand up a woman's dress looking for a llibrary card". She was very funny.
Obviously though, the print media from which the broadcast media take their lead is utterly dominated by the Right.
Anyway, Andrew Neil is not impartial enough for high profile gigs on the BBC. He's second only to Adam Boulton in his inability to hide his Rightwing leanings.
People brighter than you, like David Cameron, no doubt know this.
Unionist Eric Leslie Gandar Dower 5,564 33.5%
Labour Robert MacInnes 5,558 33.4%
Liberal Sir Archibald Sinclair 5,503 33.1%
Caithness and Sutherland, 1945http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverness,_Nairn_and_Lochaber_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caithness_and_Sutherland_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Election_in_the_1940s
I'm sure some locals can have gotten lower winning percentages though.
They only do so in a vain attempt to stop the massed ranks of Rightwing media idiots and their numbskull followers squealing about bias
Again,what are you doing in the post above,you do make me laugh Hughie lad.
Rightwing bias everywhere - lol
Horrible lefty tactic, but I'll use it
Replace "American" with" Pakistani" and read it again
The rest of the media is a different story, obviously, no-one with a brain would try to deny that.
To the insults,you must be rattled Hughie - lol - loving it ;-)
Said an independent Scotland would be a minor entity at the north of Britain.
He's got to be deep undercover.
It may be of course that there is a kipper element to the Nats who would rather the world went away - I don't know.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22630815
Con 33%, Lab 36%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%, Greens 4%, Others 4%.
Another champagne socialist, they make me sick.
Georgie boy at his cataclysmic best
"A furious Roy Hodgson blew his top over criticism of England’s uninspiring performance in their 1-0 victory over Norway at Wembley.
Clearly irritated when asked to comment on the fact his side had only two shots on target, Hodgson snapped back: ‘I’m not going to judge it because someone is going to tell me, “Well, you only had two shots at goal” because that is absolute f****** b*******, I’m sorry.’"
Oh dear, it would seem that Fleet Street has at last turned en bloc against Woy and once that happens the England manager has absolutely no chance of recovering the situation. Some elements of the press believe he should already have been sacked after England's miserable showing at the World Cup this summer.
For those who believe the England manager will see out his current contract, those nice people at bwin are offering odds of 8/11, for those who believe otherwise, including yours truly, they are offering even money.
DYOR.
The first episode is about Aberdeen:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNbc7NeW3Wg
They won't go back to Hoddle, just leaves the likes of Bruce, Pardew and Pearce.
Lab -0.1%, Con NC, UKIP +0.9%, LD -1.3%
Lab 36.2, Con 33.1, UKIP 13.1, LD 8.8
24th Aug
Lab 37.1, Con 33.5, UKIP 13.0, LD 8.5
31st Aug
Lab 36.0, Con 33.2, UKIP 14.0, LD 7.5
OK, looks like due to rounding, Con actually +0.1%, Lab -0.2%.
UKIP still +0.9%, LD still -1.3.
I know it's a difficult issue, but I've never really been in favour of allowing students to register to vote at their university. They are transient members of the community.
The ones with the fewest votes are obviously more likely to declare first, with the possible exception of remote places like Orkney and Shetland. Western Isles is usually a quick declarer, incidentally.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fBxvVgbyO_msx2eJxVbUlh6MubdD4-fZ-UIBFkwNIaI/htmlview?usp=drive_web
UKIPs Roger Lord demonstrating his metrosexual charm, there. (And his suitablility as a candidate)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/nigel-farage-candidate-ukip-clacton-douglas-carswell?commentpage=1
Maybe it would be handy to compare results with the 1997 Referendum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq2xStb0R-c#t=182
WARNING:- Disturbing. Released by Norfolk Police with the family's permission.
Doing a scaling between my predictions and the result is one idea, except it'll go wrong if I'm embarrassingly wide of the mark, which is very possible.
He was offered a plea deal to plead to 1 count and his wife to go free. He turned it down. Bad move.
One lifetime Labour supporter at the speech, who declined to be named, said Mr Miliband should stand down as leader in the event of a Yes vote. “I think he’s a nice chap, but a lot of the MPs they’ve brought in up here are not streetwise. You have to be able to talk to people on the street and be able to understand what they’re saying,” she said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-ed-miliband-fails-to-impress-the-people-of-labourfounder-keir-hardies-home-town-9712564.html
"Kuffars In The Grave"
A Little Poem by a young Muslim in today's apologist Britain..
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=229_1407616814#rce2eb1JdfmmtJOD.99 …
A pretty little song.