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  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,138
    Andy_JS said:

    England trying to repeat the previous match but on steroids.

    I hope not.

    Though there were rumors about the Spanish team in 2010...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,008
    We could soon see crossover here.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444

    I don't think exiling some PBers to ConHome is a sufficient punishment.

    Exile to Mumsnet is appropriate.

    "dd3 looked at a new ballet school today"

    I stand ready.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    Should have parked the bus from the 46 minute.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,422
    Andy_JS said:

    Would bringing on Kane and Bellingham help?

    Gordon for Toney, Watkins to CF, Anderson for Rice, Bellingham for someone. Got to push them back.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444

    SACK TUCHEL AND LITERALLY EVERYONE AT THE FA.

    FA ahead on that. They are trialling Brendan McCullum as coach for this match.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    edited July 18
    And now Saka has broken down....

    Arteta has probably just put his remote through the tv.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625
    If Olise wasn't channeling his inner Jeff Astle France would be 5-4 ahead now.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,422
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Would bringing on Kane and Bellingham help?

    Gordon for Toney, Watkins to CF, Anderson for Rice, Bellingham for someone. Got to push them back.
    Bellingham is happening
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367

    Are we going to need Jude to come and dig us out the shit again?

    I did say....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556

    Should have parked the bus from the 46 minute.

    England need a 12-carriage Thameslink train.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,698
    Olise's 4th miss..
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444
    edited July 18
    Here's to this ridiculous game:




  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    edited July 18
    carnforth said:

    Olise's 4th miss..

    We now know who had the lay side of the France to win bet...
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,008
    This has definitely been a game of 4 quarters.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    edited July 18
    Best world cup match ever?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556
    Penalty given!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    The were saying on commentary early in the game that French media say Real Madrid were going to bid £200m for Olise...this game might have knocked a few quid off that.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,127
    Again, as I know there are some people here who appreciate little TV curios - "London Is Drowning" :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22MWpE0uu4M

    No idea if that's geo-locked - but if it isn't then it's 100% passed Google's extensive copyright filters so must be 100% fine. A 1981 docu-drama about what would happen if London was flooded (with some timely 'do we really need a Thames Barrier?' dialogue). Takes a good while to get going - as did most drama of the era.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980

    Penalty given!

    Surely...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,787
    Andy_JS said:

    Best world cup match ever?

    Calm down.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444
    Andy_JS said:

    Best world cup match ever?

    Best, no.

    Most fun, maybe.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,932
    Well done Saka! 👍
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556

    Andy_JS said:

    Best world cup match ever?

    Calm down.
    5-3!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625
    That was a nice gesture from Bellingham.
  • Absolutely mental game of football. Fantastic.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444
    I feel like France may not desire extra time and penalties.

    I'll willingly be banished if I'm wrong on this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,787

    Absolutely mental game of football. Fantastic.

    Nothing will top England v Cameroon Quarter Final in 1990.

    Panic, chaos, bedlam, you name it reigned supreme in England's defence that night.

    I still haven't recovered from Brazil 1 - 7 Germany in 2014, I wonder how the Brazilians are coping.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    Investigation into suspected threat to event in Suffolk

    On Saturday, 18 July seven men [A, B, C, D, F, G, H] were released from custody without charge. Another man [M] has been released on bail with strict conditions pending further enquiries.

    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-investigation-into-suspected-threat-to-event-in-suffolk-511423

    Didn't a few politicians rush to give their views on this?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980

    Absolutely mental game of football. Fantastic.

    Is it a case of the pressure being off slightly leading to better football? Maybe.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556
    OMFG
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    Bloody hell. 5-4.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,381
    FF43 said:

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    glw said:

    FF43 said:

    glw said:

    Burnham to scrap digital ID

    BBC News - Andy Burnham to scrap digital ID to focus on cost of living
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y08z25q8eo

    ydoethur said:

    Burnham to scrap digital ID

    BBC News - Andy Burnham to scrap digital ID to focus on cost of living
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y08z25q8eo

    So at least it's not all bad news.
    The same government keeps on adding new things for which we need to prove our identity or age. So scrapping a system that might actually be half-decent for the smorgasbord of PII exposing alternatives that funnel all sorts of important data off-shore isn't necessarily good news.
    Indeed. The current situation is mandatory ID without a standardised way of demonstrating it. This is just delaying the inevitable (again)
    Well if he scraps all the intended online uses, that would make sense at least, but I doubt he'll do that, in fact I expect he'll likely do even more of them. This is a problem that is going to bite some future government on the arse. If you want people to keep proving their identity and age — even such mundane things as iOS on your phone insists on knowing your age now — then you ought to have a system in place that is as secure and private as possible, not scan you face or documents and send it to a server in Timbuktu. This kind of knee jerk decision without thinking through the consequences does not bode well.
    Implementation is all important. I have no idea about the specific scheme and whether it's a good one. But if you require ID to vote, access healthcare, deal with your tax, have a job etc, there needs to be a universal form of it that everyone has.
    No, there does not. There needs to be options people can choose from and everyone ought to be able to get one of those options, but the more fragmented it is, the better.

    A single unified system is a dystopian nightmare.
    Not as dystopian as the current situation where you have to prove ID and not everyone has the means to do so reliably and easily.

    The key choice is whether you need demonstrate ID for government stuff.
    There are many options to prove ID, everyone can choose any of those.

    All in favour of making it easier to get any of them if needed, but absolutely no need to have another one everyone has to have.
    Not to get at you, but this clearly doesn't solve the problem of easily and reliably demonstrating ID in the multiple ways you need to do so. And shows why you need a single comprehensive means of ID.
    Not remotely.

    There are a plethora of ways of easily and reliably demonstrating ID. There is absolutely no need whatsoever for any comprehensive means of ID, there is a menu of options and pick one that suits you.
    Pick which one? Passport doesn't have address and NI number. Driving licence is only for people who drive and doesn't include NI number or residency status. No other ID is accepted for photo. Neither of these will get you online...

    In every case at least one ID will be compulsory anyway
    Why do you need a form of ID with address and NI number and online? You claimed for voting before, but there's already 26 acceptable forms of ID for that - and an option for ID available free of charge for anyone who lacks any of those.

    There does not need to be a one-stop-shop for everything, in fact its generally a very bad idea to put all eggs in same basket.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    The one time when we should have parked the bus.....we didn't.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,698
    Hey Jude!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556
    Andy_JS said:

    Bloody hell. 5-4.

    It's OK, 6-4

    Bellingham!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    6-4. Bellingham.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,932
    Brilliant by Bellingham!!!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367

    Are we going to need Jude to come and dig us out the shit again?

    I did say....
    Just leaving this here....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625
    Hey Jude!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,725
    edited July 18
    Andy_JS said:

    6-4. Bellingham.

    Amazing game
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,444
    Bellingham wins the English golden boot.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,381
    Hey Jude, that is incredible.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,932
    Top effort

    The dream continues for Euro 2028

    We can hope!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    BBC commentator Steve Wilson makes a great point about the irrelevance of the WC third-place play-off.

    "Do you remember who won this match in 2022? I had to look it up - Croatia beat Morocco. And I was commentating on it!"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,261
    edited July 18
    FULL-TIME
    00:02 BST
    France 4-6 England


    Bukayo Saka #7 of England celebrates

    Bellingham's goal is the last kick. England win an epic in Miami.

    England's best finish at a men's World Cup since 1966.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cly5lj1nqdxt?post=asset:b93c9877-9462-4a56-9650-13c5343b7a07#post
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    edited July 18
    Tomorrow: probably 1-1 after 90 mins, lol.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,865

    Investigation into suspected threat to event in Suffolk

    On Saturday, 18 July seven men [A, B, C, D, F, G, H] were released from custody without charge. Another man [M] has been released on bail with strict conditions pending further enquiries.

    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-investigation-into-suspected-threat-to-event-in-suffolk-511423

    Didn't a few politicians rush to give their views on this?

    Useful for the 'far right' are the biggest danger mob when we still don't know why Anne Widdicombe was murdered.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,865
    That was fun. Arrived late because of the rugby. And still got to see 8 goals. Most stoopid game I can recall since Swindon 5-5 Charlton in the play offs
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,261
    edited July 18
    Well there y'go PB. WC26. 32 teams entered. England came third. England beat 29 other teams, or beat the team that beat them. It's an exceptional outcome, the best since 1966.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625
    edited July 18

    BBC commentator Steve Wilson makes a great point about the irrelevance of the WC third-place play-off.

    "Do you remember who won this match in 2022? I had to look it up - Croatia beat Morocco. And I was commentating on it!"

    Stop being so negative. Please stick to your Labour are a shite Government narrative.

    Vive l'Anglais!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980

    Investigation into suspected threat to event in Suffolk

    On Saturday, 18 July seven men [A, B, C, D, F, G, H] were released from custody without charge. Another man [M] has been released on bail with strict conditions pending further enquiries.

    https://news.met.police.uk/news/update-investigation-into-suspected-threat-to-event-in-suffolk-511423

    Didn't a few politicians rush to give their views on this?

    Very puzzling, looking forward to the details whenever they come out.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,381

    BBC commentator Steve Wilson makes a great point about the irrelevance of the WC third-place play-off.

    "Do you remember who won this match in 2022? I had to look it up - Croatia beat Morocco. And I was commentating on it!"

    That was then.

    I think people will remember today.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980

    BBC commentator Steve Wilson makes a great point about the irrelevance of the WC third-place play-off.

    "Do you remember who won this match in 2022? I had to look it up - Croatia beat Morocco. And I was commentating on it!"

    On the other hand, there probably weren't 10 goals in that match.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625
    viewcode said:

    Well there y'go PB. WC26. 32 teams entered. England came third. England beat 29 other teams, or beat the team that beat them. It's an exceptional outcome, the best since 1966.

    England lost to Messi's favourite referee.
  • Pleasing, after expecting a fairly tedious kick about, followed by us losing to France by a single goal.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,932
    After that game I really can't be bothered staying up for tomorrow's snoozefest.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    viewcode said:

    Well there y'go PB. WC26. 32 teams entered. England came third. England beat 29 other teams, or beat the team that beat them. It's an exceptional outcome, the best since 1966.

    IIRC France started the tournament as the number one ranked team.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    Talking of politicians rushing to give their views....has this guy even been charged yet?

    "I have it on good authority that the murder suspect was a hard-left activist. He attended various marches and hated anyone with an opposing view. He had expressed his hatred of me on more than one occasion. He was an intolerant individual obsessed with Soviet communism

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39800270/ann-widdecombe-suspect-hard-left-hatred-nigel-farage/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,367
    edited July 18
    Talking of politicians rushing to give their views....has this guy even been charged yet?

    "I have it on good authority that the murder suspect was a hard-left activist. He attended various marches and hated anyone with an opposing view. He had expressed his hatred of me on more than one occasion. He was an intolerant individual obsessed with Soviet communism"

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39800270/ann-widdecombe-suspect-hard-left-hatred-nigel-farage/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,932
    The President stated that tomorrow he will be communicating with the commanders of the combat brigades. Therefore, today I want to address the personnel of these brigades.

    Tomorrow, your commanders will have the opportunity to tell the truth about what is happening in the army, or to remain silent. You know far better than I do the cost of such silence and understand the consequences it may lead to.

    I realize that not every officer is ready to take on such responsibility. Some are concerned for themselves and their positions. Others fear for their units, understanding that after an honest assessment of the Supreme Commander's actions, their people may be sent to a doomed direction or left without proper support.

    At the same time, in informal conversations, the majority of commanders express their true attitude toward the situation. They talk about it among themselves, write about it in private messages, including those who have publicly posted complimentary entries.

    Therefore, I am addressing the servicemen of the combat brigades: help your commanders find the courage. Talk to them. Ask them to say tomorrow exactly what they truly think. What they say to you, their brothers-in-arms, and write in private messages.

    The existence of Ukraine is at stake. The army remains the main guarantee of our state's existence. Keeping silent about the real state of affairs today poses a threat to the entire country.

    You took an oath to the Ukrainian people. Your commanders bear responsibility for you, for your lives, and for the combat readiness of their units. That is why their honesty before the Supreme Commander-in-Chief is part of that responsibility.

    Help your commanders take this step. Help them tell the truth. Ukraine's future depends on their courage and your stance.

    https://x.com/BohdanKrotevych/status/2077843367262834845
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,172
    viewcode said:

    Well there y'go PB. WC26. 32 teams entered. England came third. England beat 29 other teams, or beat the team that beat them. It's an exceptional outcome, the best since 1966.

    Forty eight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,556
    England at WC 2026:

    Played
    8

    Won
    6

    Drew
    1

    Lost
    1

    Goals for
    20

    Goals against
    12
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,261

    viewcode said:

    Well there y'go PB. WC26. 32 teams entered. England came third. England beat 29 other teams, or beat the team that beat them. It's an exceptional outcome, the best since 1966.

    Forty eight.
    Even better. England beat 45 other teams etc.
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 593

    That was fun. Arrived late because of the rugby. And still got to see 8 goals. Most stoopid game I can recall since Swindon 5-5 Charlton in the play offs



    Swindon Town 4 v Aldershot Town 7
    FA Cup 1st Round 4th Nov 2023 was pretty memorable.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,963
    Some years ago, I got the impression that losing the US Super Bowl had a worse effect on a team than being eliminated in an earlier round. Never tried to check that out -- and there may not be enough data to test the idea, but it does seem plausible.

    So, if there is something similar in soccer, it may be better for England -- long term -- to have won 3rd than to have lost the championship,
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,932

    England at WC 2026:

    Played
    8

    Won
    6

    Drew
    1

    Lost
    1

    Goals for
    20

    Goals against
    12

    Overall we did ok 👍
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,217

    England at WC 2026:

    Played
    8

    Won
    6

    Drew
    1

    Lost
    1

    Goals for
    20

    Goals against
    12

    Overall we did ok 👍
    We did what we were supposed to. Par. We should have been in the final. We could have won.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625

    Talking of politicians rushing to give their views....has this guy even been charged yet?

    "I have it on good authority that the murder suspect was a hard-left activist. He attended various marches and hated anyone with an opposing view. He had expressed his hatred of me on more than one occasion. He was an intolerant individual obsessed with Soviet communism

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39800270/ann-widdecombe-suspect-hard-left-hatred-nigel-farage/

    Nigel Farage makes a statement about Ann Widdecome's assassination; " it's all about me, me, me!"

    Always the victim.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,625

    England at WC 2026:

    Played
    8

    Won
    6

    Drew
    1

    Lost
    1

    Goals for
    20

    Goals against
    12

    Overall we did ok 👍
    England did really well.

    Yes, parking the bus without going deep was an odd game plan after the first goal, but FIFA engineered Argentina into the final by selecting a wholly unsuitable referee for the semi.

    FIFA have been as dodgy as f*** off the field, but this was wholly different. You might be able to pick holes in my argument re; the England game, but Egypt was an absolute travesty.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,261
    It's not often I recommend a Spectator article, but...

    https://spectator.com/article/shut-up-about-your-disability/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,261
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    edited 2:44AM
    I didn't expect to find an article like this in the left-of-centre New Statesman.

    "Count Binface is the establishment at its worst
    Nigel Farage is right

    By Ed Campbell"

    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2026/07/count-binface-is-the-establishment-at-its-worst-0
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,980
    viewcode said:
    Thanks for the articles viewcode.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,217

    Talking of politicians rushing to give their views....has this guy even been charged yet?

    "I have it on good authority that the murder suspect was a hard-left activist. He attended various marches and hated anyone with an opposing view. He had expressed his hatred of me on more than one occasion. He was an intolerant individual obsessed with Soviet communism

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39800270/ann-widdecombe-suspect-hard-left-hatred-nigel-farage/

    Nigel Farage makes a statement about Ann Widdecome's assassination; " it's all about me, me, me!"

    Always the victim.
    Speaking of MPs' security, the decision not to guard Prince Harry should also be up for review.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,605
    edited 4:36AM
    viewcode said:
    Morning. So populism is about finding the losers, getting them to vote for you and then exploiting them because they are losers. Sums up MAGA and Reform
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,558
    Well very typical that the meaningless match I couldn’t be arsed to stay up and watch, turns out to be a 10-goal thriller that should have been the final!
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,572

    That was fun. Arrived late because of the rugby. And still got to see 8 goals. Most stoopid game I can recall since Swindon 5-5 Charlton in the play offs



    Swindon Town 4 v Aldershot Town 7
    FA Cup 1st Round 4th Nov 2023 was pretty memorable.
    Birmingham City 4 Swindon Town 6
    (Birmingham 4-1 up when Swindon player mamabger Glenn Hoddle bought himself on as sub after about 60 minutes...I swear to god Hoddle never left the centre circle, it was utterly majestic!)
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,676

    Some years ago, I got the impression that losing the US Super Bowl had a worse effect on a team than being eliminated in an earlier round. Never tried to check that out -- and there may not be enough data to test the idea, but it does seem plausible.

    So, if there is something similar in soccer, it may be better for England -- long term -- to have won 3rd than to have lost the championship,

    Jim, I haven't checked the data but I believe it's true that sides losing the football league play-off finals do badly the following season. My own team, Leyton Orient, finished 6th in 2024/25, lost the playoff final and then narrowly avoided relegation this last season. I think that is not untypical.
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