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Let’s Talk Election Security – part 1 of 3 – politicalbetting.com

In the US, President Trump is -to put it mildly- keen that the SAVE American Act is passed before the midterms, with the goal of countering widespread electoral fraud. 

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  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969
    First
  • eekeek Posts: 34,280
    edited 8:12AM
    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,223
    The underlying problem is that the voters do not always vote the way the Don likes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969
    edited 8:14AM
    Bookies win again

    Stress Fracture. Presumably for the hard work doing the, inappropriately named, Win advert



  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,620
    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    It doesn't.

    Married women are significantly more likely to vote GOP than unmarried women.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,683
    Taz said:

    First

    You back from Hols Taz
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,365
    Interesting header, which begs the question: why is Trump so keen for the SAVE act to be passed when it would appear to be counterproductive for him?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,807
    Taz said:

    Bookies win again

    Stress Fracture. Presumably for the hard work doing the, inappropriately named, Win advert



    Daily Telegraph editor is taking out a contract on her after today's front page:-


  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    First

    You back from Hols Taz
    Sadly yes Malc. It was lush. We didn’t want to come back.

    Hope all is good there
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,223

    Interesting header, which begs the question: why is Trump so keen for the SAVE act to be passed when it would appear to be counterproductive for him?

    Since when has he only done things that are productive for him? His ego couldn't handle losing and he wants to "prove" it was rigged by bullying the rest of the world into submission. That is all there is, nothing more.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 254

    The underlying problem is that the voters do not always vote the way the Don likes.

    Trump is a Winner!
    Trump always wins!
    No one can beat Trump!
    You can only beat Trump by Cheating!
    They Won!
    They Cheated!
    Stop the Steal!

    Peter.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969
    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,221
    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    It's on both BBC1 and the iplayer.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,223
    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Of course its not true.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2026/fifa-world-cup-round-of-32-on-bbc#:~:text=England's last 32 knockout World,up late to watch it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335
    edited 8:36AM
    Married women without passports would be more likely to be Republican than single women, as Pulpstar states 52% of married women voted for Trump in 2024 and more likely to live in Middle America and less likely to be on the West coast or in the North East where more travel abroad and have passports. So requiring birth certificates or passports as voter ID may not necessarily help the GOP
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,342
    FPT

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heard an anecdote today from a former chauffeur who was driving the chairman of Roche to a meeting with then Health Secretary Andy Burnham. Said he came back from the meeting and said 'that man hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and is out of his depth.'

    We will see if there is more to Burnham than the likeable northern chappy image, we must hope the Roche chair was wrong

    Was this chauffeur Albanian by chance?
    No Jewish ex East End
    Isn't Roche a Swiss pharmaceutical company with a Swiss board, based in Switzerland? What is an East End chauffeur doing there? The East End of Geneva?
    ..was driving the chairman of Roche to a meeting with then Health Secretary Andy Burnham..
    Well there we have it then. Anonymous poster quotes anonymous driver’s report of pharmaceutical’s exec’s assessment that Burnham, successful mayor of Britain’s second largest city ‘hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and is out of his depth.'
    The leaks so far suggest that is the case, borrow more and increase taxes is a recipe for disaster. We will soon have no billionaires and millionaires left in the country and then the fcukwits who think taxing success and promoting sponging will find out what happens when you F*** about. Then they can tax benefits to pay for the benefits.
    For 40 years the country has invested in London to the expense of elsewhere - which means that London is now wealthy than elsewhere and so pays slightly more in tax (argument then goes that wealth could pay more tax).

    Burnham's viewpoint is that the regions outside London should have the ability and that the Treasury stops that (he's right there). So given mayors actual money and power (which completely removes the Treasury from blocking things) makes perfect sense.

    My test is actually very simple, go around Europe and all cities over 500,000 will have a fixed transport (Tram / Metro) system and most UK cities don't.
    London also attracts, as a consequence, young people from all over the country. So the regions pay to educate young people only for them to move.

    London paying more tax helps redress that.

    Having a metro is fine, as in the case of the North East, but the development of it has been poor and the rolling stock flogged to death before being replaced yet London has had new rolling stock on most of the underground.
    London's Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines are still running trains built before the North East Metro even opened. But yes, that does not mean new rolling stock is not needed.

    It would be nice if Burnham's plans include new towns away from London, as well as just increasing regional budgets. His overall direction is correct though. Britain is centralised around London to a degree unparalleled in any of our peer nations. This is absurd and unsustainable.
    Depends who you count as a peer nation. Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Czechia, Belgium, Ireland, Denmark, Norway etc. are all similarly or more centralised around their capital cities. But, OK, they’re all smaller countries. However, then there’s Japan, which has a similar concentration in Tokyo and is a considerably bigger population than the UK.
    Public spending in the regions, though, is highly devolved in Japan; it is more centralised in the UK than in just about any other developed western economy.

    And regarding infrastructure costs, our developments cost about half as much again as anywhere else in Europe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335
    edited 8:33AM

    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Of course its not true.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2026/fifa-world-cup-round-of-32-on-bbc#:~:text=England's last 32 knockout World,up late to watch it.
    Yes England match has shunted Wimbledon out of the way and will be on BBC1 at 5pm on Wednesday, so tennis fans will have to turn over to BBC2
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969

    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    It's on both BBC1 and the iplayer.
    Yes I read the schedules just had not been updated
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,005

    Interesting header, which begs the question: why is Trump so keen for the SAVE act to be passed when it would appear to be counterproductive for him?

    Trump doing something stupid and counterproductive to his own interests?

    Is there a "y" in the day again?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,969

    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Of course its not true.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2026/fifa-world-cup-round-of-32-on-bbc#:~:text=England's last 32 knockout World,up late to watch it.
    The problem is, with it’s usual trademark ineptitude, the BBC had failed to update its schedules don’t appeared dull early tennis matches were on both channels.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,342
    edited 8:37AM
    That’s an awful lot of disenfranchisement to solve a problem that does not appear to exist.

    That's nonsense, I'm afraid. Of course a problem exists.

    And this solution is designed to address the very serious problem of women tending strongly to vote for the Democrats.

    But being Trump, the policy selects the subset of women who don't behave that way.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,221
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    This can’t be true surely !!!

    “ I sincerely hope I'm wrong here but as far as I can see England vs DR Congo on Wednesday at 5pm is on BBCiPlayer.

    The two main channels are showing Wimbledon.
    It's not ITV's turn to show England.

    Surely they must alter the schedules.
    If not it is scandalous.”


    https://x.com/welsbyelton/status/2071402566936678868?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    It's on both BBC1 and the iplayer.
    Yes I read the schedules just had not been updated
    What's happened this time is that there's about 14 hours between the group stages ending and the knockout stages beginning.

    Additionally it was nearly midnight on Sunday before the broadcasters knew when England's match would take place (and if Scotland would make it through).

    So the pick selection and updating schedules seems slow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    edited 8:43AM
    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,223
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,280
    edited 8:47AM
    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    The Californian voting system is beyond embarrassing but I suspect it's difficult to fix in a hurry..

    Got to say they really need to move to votes not received by 10pm on the date of the election / primary are excluded..
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    Yes, married women trend Rebublican and single women trend Democrat.

    The “married women” talking point would affect the GOP if it was actually a problem. If it was actually a problem and affected Republican women, then Democrats would be all in favour of it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,152
    edited 8:46AM
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    'RINO' - that's proper Magatalk, that is. What's not Republican about this one then? Did he refuse to say the 2020 election was stolen?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,342

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    In the fevered imagination of MAGA, any member of Congress who exercises independent judgment in any matter at all is a RINO.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    The Californian voting system is beyond embarrassing but I suspect it's difficult to fix in a hurry..

    Got to say they really need to move to votes not received by 10pm on the date of the election / primary are excluded..
    Until about 2010 California’s elections were declared within 24 hours, same as most other States.

    The current process comes from a number of pieces of legislation passed since then, most of which do the opposite to their names as is usual for American legislation. The slow counting is a feature not a bug.

    https://californiaglobe.com/fl/californias-third-world-elections-slow-count-looms-as-officials-blame-so-many-candidates-for-delayed-results/ (critical source).
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,610
    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    Yes, married women trend Rebublican and single women trend Democrat.

    The “married women” talking point would affect the GOP if it was actually a problem. If it was actually a problem and affected Republican women, then Democrats would be all in favour of it.
    I doubt it. Only one side has a history of trying to disenfranchise people who don't vote for them.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,005

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    He doesn’t stand to attention when Trump phones him to demand something.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    Yes, married women trend Rebublican and single women trend Democrat.

    The “married women” talking point would affect the GOP if it was actually a problem. If it was actually a problem and affected Republican women, then Democrats would be all in favour of it.
    I doubt it. Only one side has a history of trying to disenfranchise people who don't vote for them.
    Good Morning everybody. Lovely morning here; looks like an ideal English summer's day.

    The legislation, the situation in California, and the apparent underlying attitude towards elections seems just to add the opinion that the USA should NOT be considered an example of good democratic practice.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,221

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    He doesn’t stand to attention when Trump phones him to demand something.
    Mad, considering Trump has just achieved the greatest military victory in history, over Iran.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335
    'Once-in-a-generation reforms are needed to fix an education system that "is not serving the interests of white working-class children", an independent inquiry has concluded.

    It was set up last summer to look into why such children are the lowest-performing large demographic in the school system in England.

    Inquiry co-chair Baroness Estelle Morris said responsibility "cannot sit with schools alone" and was not due to a lack of aspiration or effort from young people.

    Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson said generations had been "robbed of opportunity".....It makes 24 recommendations, including:

    Free access to local public transport for all young people up to the age of 21, improving access to education, training and work

    Extending 30 hours of free childcare to all disadvantaged families, not just those in work

    Making reading fluency at primary school a national priority for white working class children

    A major expansion of apprenticeships, so that all young people who want one can access a high-quality apprenticeship local to them'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq51j10q601o
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Northeastern Crimea. The Ukranians have dropped a road bridge on top of a railway line!

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2071279130532888938
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,613
    Taz said:

    Bookies win again

    Stress Fracture. Presumably for the hard work doing the, inappropriately named, Win advert



    As Leon might say, she's definitely too hot.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,940

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    He doesn’t stand to attention when Trump phones him to demand something.
    Mad, considering Trump has just achieved the greatest military victory in history, over Iran.
    That'll be the victory where the IRGC are now apparently saying that they have no choice but to obtain the nuclear bomb? I guess this is what "we're winning so much" looks like if your head is stuck up Trump's fundament.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557

    Taz said:

    Bookies win again

    Stress Fracture. Presumably for the hard work doing the, inappropriately named, Win advert



    As Leon might say, she's definitely too hot.
    Should she take up chess? She's bright, it would be a good game for her and wouldn't strain any (physical) muscles.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,328
    Nigelb said:

    FPT

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Heard an anecdote today from a former chauffeur who was driving the chairman of Roche to a meeting with then Health Secretary Andy Burnham. Said he came back from the meeting and said 'that man hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and is out of his depth.'

    We will see if there is more to Burnham than the likeable northern chappy image, we must hope the Roche chair was wrong

    Was this chauffeur Albanian by chance?
    No Jewish ex East End
    Isn't Roche a Swiss pharmaceutical company with a Swiss board, based in Switzerland? What is an East End chauffeur doing there? The East End of Geneva?
    ..was driving the chairman of Roche to a meeting with then Health Secretary Andy Burnham..
    Well there we have it then. Anonymous poster quotes anonymous driver’s report of pharmaceutical’s exec’s assessment that Burnham, successful mayor of Britain’s second largest city ‘hasn't got a clue what he is talking about and is out of his depth.'
    The leaks so far suggest that is the case, borrow more and increase taxes is a recipe for disaster. We will soon have no billionaires and millionaires left in the country and then the fcukwits who think taxing success and promoting sponging will find out what happens when you F*** about. Then they can tax benefits to pay for the benefits.
    For 40 years the country has invested in London to the expense of elsewhere - which means that London is now wealthy than elsewhere and so pays slightly more in tax (argument then goes that wealth could pay more tax).

    Burnham's viewpoint is that the regions outside London should have the ability and that the Treasury stops that (he's right there). So given mayors actual money and power (which completely removes the Treasury from blocking things) makes perfect sense.

    My test is actually very simple, go around Europe and all cities over 500,000 will have a fixed transport (Tram / Metro) system and most UK cities don't.
    London also attracts, as a consequence, young people from all over the country. So the regions pay to educate young people only for them to move.

    London paying more tax helps redress that.

    Having a metro is fine, as in the case of the North East, but the development of it has been poor and the rolling stock flogged to death before being replaced yet London has had new rolling stock on most of the underground.
    London's Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines are still running trains built before the North East Metro even opened. But yes, that does not mean new rolling stock is not needed.

    It would be nice if Burnham's plans include new towns away from London, as well as just increasing regional budgets. His overall direction is correct though. Britain is centralised around London to a degree unparalleled in any of our peer nations. This is absurd and unsustainable.
    Depends who you count as a peer nation. Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Czechia, Belgium, Ireland, Denmark, Norway etc. are all similarly or more centralised around their capital cities. But, OK, they’re all smaller countries. However, then there’s Japan, which has a similar concentration in Tokyo and is a considerably bigger population than the UK.
    Public spending in the regions, though, is highly devolved in Japan; it is more centralised in the UK than in just about any other developed western economy.

    And regarding infrastructure costs, our developments cost about half as much again as anywhere else in Europe.
    I agree with you and Andy Burnham that the UK is too centralised and that we should devolve more power to regions. (Although, that said, I do agree with the Ciudadanos in Spain that you can go too far with that.)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557
    Sandpit said:

    Northeastern Crimea. The Ukranians have dropped a road bridge on top of a railway line!

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2071279130532888938

    Careless; might cause long-term problems.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,613

    Taz said:

    Bookies win again

    Stress Fracture. Presumably for the hard work doing the, inappropriately named, Win advert



    As Leon might say, she's definitely too hot.
    Should she take up chess? She's bright, it would be a good game for her and wouldn't strain any (physical) muscles.
    I think, a bit like Anna Kournikova, she just need to play enough tennis to keep the other money sources (modelling, endorsements, adverts etc) going. She's a good player who got really lucky once in the US Open and will never win another slam. She doesn't need to.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,328
    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    Which doesn't prove fraud. That's about rules around when postal votes are accepted until and complicated ballot papers because Americans insist on voting for so many positions.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    CBS News poll.

    80% of Americans are in favour of showing photo ID to vote

    66% of Americans are in favour of proving citizenship to register to vote

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voting-process-photo-id-opinion-poll/
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,328

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    Yes, married women trend Rebublican and single women trend Democrat.

    The “married women” talking point would affect the GOP if it was actually a problem. If it was actually a problem and affected Republican women, then Democrats would be all in favour of it.
    I doubt it. Only one side has a history of trying to disenfranchise people who don't vote for them.
    Well, it depends what you mean by "side". The Democrats were big on disenfranchising people during Jim Crow, although the people who were Democrats then would be MAGA now.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,328
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,610

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    Yes, married women trend Rebublican and single women trend Democrat.

    The “married women” talking point would affect the GOP if it was actually a problem. If it was actually a problem and affected Republican women, then Democrats would be all in favour of it.
    I doubt it. Only one side has a history of trying to disenfranchise people who don't vote for them.
    Well, it depends what you mean by "side". The Democrats were big on disenfranchising people during Jim Crow, although the people who were Democrats then would be MAGA now.
    Precisely.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,328
    Sandpit said:

    CBS News poll.

    80% of Americans are in favour of showing photo ID to vote

    66% of Americans are in favour of proving citizenship to register to vote

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voting-process-photo-id-opinion-poll/

    In favour of the SAVE Act: 28%
    Oppose: 31%
    Not sure: 41%
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557
    Sandpit said:

    CBS News poll.

    80% of Americans are in favour of showing photo ID to vote

    66% of Americans are in favour of proving citizenship to register to vote

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/voting-process-photo-id-opinion-poll/

    Both sound fair enough until one considers the practicalities.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    edited 9:31AM

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
    A filibuster is supposed to involve turning up and debating the Bill to exhaustion, even if it takes several days of speakers each talking for hours.

    What Thune is doing is saying he doesn’t have 60 votes to avoid the filibuster so he’s not even going to bother bringing the Bill forward.

    Most importantly he’s avoiding having the Senators actually vote on it, because the activists intend to mount a primary challenge to anyone who votes against it. See John Cornyn in Texas for example, who just spent $100m losing his primary.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,866
    Thanks @rcs1000 - excellent piece to start the week
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,221
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
    A filibuster is supposed to involve turning up and debating the Bill to exhaustion, even if it takes several days of speakers each talking for hours.

    What Thune is doing is saying he doesn’t have 60 votes to avoid the filibuster so he’s not even going to bother bringing the Bill forward.

    Most importantly he’s avoiding having the Senators actually vote on it, because the activists intend to mount a primary challenge to anyone who votes against it. See John Cornyn in Texas for example, who just spent $100m losing his primary.
    Did you get this angry when the GOP senate refused to even hold hearings into appointing Merrick Garland to SCOTUS?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    edited 9:36AM

    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    Which doesn't prove fraud. That's about rules around when postal votes are accepted until and complicated ballot papers because Americans insist on voting for so many positions.
    Sunderland is able to count a general election result in a few hours, and our slowest constituency Inverness in 19.5 hrs, even Florida got it's act together to do it overnight after their farcical early 2000 elections.
    California's election system is a joke.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,290
    HYUFD said:

    Married women without passports would be more likely to be Republican than single women, as Pulpstar states 52% of married women voted for Trump in 2024 and more likely to live in Middle America and less likely to be on the West coast or in the North East where more travel abroad and have passports. So requiring birth certificates or passports as voter ID may not necessarily help the GOP

    Is this an endemic issue of coercion by the head of household?
    AIUI this can be rife in traditional misogynistic patriarchal cultures.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,342
    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikely to pass, because...

    .. Because there is no majority in the Senate who will vote for it, and there is absolutely no reason that they should.
    Congress does not exist to rubber stamp the president's wishes (though there is a very large proportion of the current GOP incumbents who appear to believe that).
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,806
    edited 9:45AM
    Thank-you for the header.

    Heh. One the algorithm threw at me - a campaign against BBC Left Wing Bias:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fTZl9tNJI1A

    1937 edition. By the Unionist MP Captain Maule Ramsay, who I think probably does not have an equivalent amongst today's Tories.

    "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Maule_Ramsay
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikely to pass, because...

    .. Because there is no majority in the Senate who will vote for it, and there is absolutely no reason that they should.
    Congress does not exist to rubber stamp the president's wishes (though there is a very large proportion of the current GOP incumbents who appear to believe that).
    They have 50 votes for it, but Thune cares more about the donor class than the voter and activist class.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,200
    Kemi is bloody awful! If you've got nothing to say - say nothing. This is surreal. She's holding a press conference to a Tory audience but all we are seeing is her. It feels like one of those old fashioned programmes with canned laughter and added cheering.

    The classy thing to do is give Burnham his moment and if she's got something relevant to say that's the time to say it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
    A filibuster is supposed to involve turning up and debating the Bill to exhaustion, even if it takes several days of speakers each talking for hours.

    What Thune is doing is saying he doesn’t have 60 votes to avoid the filibuster so he’s not even going to bother bringing the Bill forward.

    Most importantly he’s avoiding having the Senators actually vote on it, because the activists intend to mount a primary challenge to anyone who votes against it. See John Cornyn in Texas for example, who just spent $100m losing his primary.
    Did you get this angry when the GOP senate refused to even hold hearings into appointing Merrick Garland to SCOTUS?
    Actually yes I thought that was a bad precident to set.

    The difference between then and now is that the Senate’s Republican majority is aligned with both the President and the House. They have all three and still can’t pass legislation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335
    Dopermean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Married women without passports would be more likely to be Republican than single women, as Pulpstar states 52% of married women voted for Trump in 2024 and more likely to live in Middle America and less likely to be on the West coast or in the North East where more travel abroad and have passports. So requiring birth certificates or passports as voter ID may not necessarily help the GOP

    Is this an endemic issue of coercion by the head of household?
    AIUI this can be rife in traditional misogynistic patriarchal cultures.
    No, married women are normally more conservative than single women
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,806
    edited 9:53AM
    Sandpit said:

    Northeastern Crimea. The Ukranians have dropped a road bridge on top of a railway line!

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2071279130532888938

    We have those:



    (There might even be one in use somewhere.)
  • eekeek Posts: 34,280
    Roger said:

    Kemi is bloody awful! If you've got nothing to say - say nothing. This is surreal. She's holding a press conference to a Tory audience but all we are seeing is her. It feels like one of those old fashioned programmes with canned laughter and added cheering.

    The classy thing to do is give Burnham his moment and if she's got something relevant to say that's the time to say it.

    How on earth do you respond to something when you don’t know what you are responding to
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,735
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
    A filibuster is supposed to involve turning up and debating the Bill to exhaustion, even if it takes several days of speakers each talking for hours.

    What Thune is doing is saying he doesn’t have 60 votes to avoid the filibuster so he’s not even going to bother bringing the Bill forward.

    So far, they can't get it through without the filibuster. When SAVE was added to an appropriation bill as amendment and therefore only needing a simple majority, it went down 48-50. Thune is right, it can't get through the Senate in its current form so the Orange Man (who is in fact the pure embodiment of 'Bad') needs to think again. He probably needs to placate the fiscal hawks with way less reckless borrowing.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557
    edited 9:54AM
    HYUFD said:

    Dopermean said:

    HYUFD said:

    Married women without passports would be more likely to be Republican than single women, as Pulpstar states 52% of married women voted for Trump in 2024 and more likely to live in Middle America and less likely to be on the West coast or in the North East where more travel abroad and have passports. So requiring birth certificates or passports as voter ID may not necessarily help the GOP

    Is this an endemic issue of coercion by the head of household?
    AIUI this can be rife in traditional misogynistic patriarchal cultures.
    No, married women are normally more conservative than single women
    Mrs C started out on my right, politically, but sometimes now she's to my left.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    On topic, the SAVE Act appears unlikey to pass, because Senate leader RINO John Thune is determined to ignore several Bills and appointment nominations that are on his desk.

    The Senate voted to adjourn for three weeks last week, and will sit for three weeks debating nothing before again going on holiday in August.

    To say the Rebublican base and Congress are furious with the Senate, would be something of an understatement.
    https://x.com/scottpresler/status/2071268882338226606

    One of few Senators interested is the author of the Bill, Mike Lee.
    https://x.com/basedmikelee/status/2071232423942365593

    How is John Thune a RINO?
    The Senate has passed almost nothing this year - there are dozens of Bills and nominations from the House and the President being ignored by the Senate, and they’ve just voted themselves a three-week recess at Thune’s request.

    Of course it’s not an actual recess, as that would allow Trump to make recess appointments, so every day one Senator gets nominated to walk in and bang the gavel, known as a pro-forma session, specifically to prevent recess appointments. https://x.com/ginasassyass/status/2071425687311856015

    Activists are now calling for Trump to order the Senate back into session, and to stop slow-walking the legislation in front of them. https://x.com/gunthereagleman/status/2071300800450633748
    The Senate has difficulty passing anything because of the filibuster. This was less of an issue in the past, before the Republicans destroyed bipartisanship.
    A filibuster is supposed to involve turning up and debating the Bill to exhaustion, even if it takes several days of speakers each talking for hours.

    What Thune is doing is saying he doesn’t have 60 votes to avoid the filibuster so he’s not even going to bother bringing the Bill forward.

    So far, they can't get it through without the filibuster. When SAVE was added to an appropriation bill as amendment and therefore only needing a simple majority, it went down 48-50. Thune is right, it can't get through the Senate in its current form so the Orange Man (who is in fact the pure embodiment of 'Bad') needs to think again. He probably needs to placate the fiscal hawks with way less reckless borrowing.
    You're assuming that the Orange Man thinks!
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,620
    Pulpstar said:

    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    Which doesn't prove fraud. That's about rules around when postal votes are accepted until and complicated ballot papers because Americans insist on voting for so many positions.
    Sunderland is able to count a general election result in a few hours, and our slowest constituency Inverness in 19.5 hrs, even Florida got it's act together to do it overnight after their farcical early 2000 elections.
    California's election system is a joke.
    The longer it takes to count votes, the easier it is to 'find' the required votes.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Two runs down, 268 still to go for England.

    Can Root and Gay bat until tea?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,620
    NEETs.

    How many NEETs started as idle/pampered teens/graduates who didn't want a job.

    And then a year or more later discovered that nobody would now give them an opportunity because there was now enough teens/graduates in the next year who did want a job.

    Causing the NEETs to become depressed/anti-social and spirally downward in a negative feedback loop.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,806
    edited 10:10AM
    A little off topic - like all the best posts.

    There is a Youtube channel called "London Cycle Routes", from a gent called Jon Stone, who every week posts a video of a "cycle route in London along separated cycleways and quiet streets". To me that is an excellent of helping all the traffic flow - provide people using cycles ways which are safe and interesting for everyone, and keep them out of the way of heavier traffic routes.

    He's very front foot about "take care of pedestrians", which is very important. Go at the right time of day, and you might meet Alistair Campbell. The vid is at 2x speed with a good commentary.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xP_ImkgM0o

    He posts a GPS route to load into your device via Komoot, and there is a Google map of all the routes he has done, which is here (and includes hundreds of routes):

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1h9Hxm57fPvZmcuSXajM_Wu0G0s6f_bs&ll=51.505213496092054,-0.1285238120117249&z=12&entry=yt
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,221
    Penelope Keith has died.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,005
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Kemi is bloody awful! If you've got nothing to say - say nothing. This is surreal. She's holding a press conference to a Tory audience but all we are seeing is her. It feels like one of those old fashioned programmes with canned laughter and added cheering.

    The classy thing to do is give Burnham his moment and if she's got something relevant to say that's the time to say it.

    How on earth do you respond to something when you don’t know what you are responding to
    Burnham is just a candidate for Leader of the labour party at this point. Not sure why politics should stop until his apotheosis is complete?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,557

    Penelope Keith has died.

    Sad.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,200
    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Kemi is bloody awful! If you've got nothing to say - say nothing. This is surreal. She's holding a press conference to a Tory audience but all we are seeing is her. It feels like one of those old fashioned programmes with canned laughter and added cheering.

    The classy thing to do is give Burnham his moment and if she's got something relevant to say that's the time to say it.

    How on earth do you respond to something when you don’t know what you are responding to
    I don't think Burnham's press conference was exactly a secret! If Kemi wanted to know what time it started she could have asked the flower seller outside Covent Garden tube station..... any taxi driver .... the No 10 cat......The vagrant on Old Compton Street, .At least Farage can breathe a sigh of relief. A wonderful distraction...... The poor woman is guessing what Burnham might do and then saying why she wouldn't do it!

    You couldn't make it up. The BBC are now making excuses for her.....Never a good sign
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,986
    Its a good job England bat deep.....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,683
    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    First

    You back from Hols Taz
    Sadly yes Malc. It was lush. We didn’t want to come back.

    Hope all is good there
    Yes not bad at all, I am off to Florida next week, Grandson getting married in Sarasota. Be too hot mind you.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,200
    edited 10:23AM
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Northeastern Crimea. The Ukranians have dropped a road bridge on top of a railway line!

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2071279130532888938

    We have those:



    (There might even be one in use somewhere.)
    I know that one very well, Devil’s Bridge in mid-Wales.

    A great day out, that includes a steam train from and to Aberystwyth.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,613

    Its a good job England bat deep.....

    Over by lunch, pissed by tea, the Bazball way.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Sandpit said:

    Two runs down, 268 still to go for England.

    Can Root and Gay bat until tea?

    QTWTAIN clearly.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,535
    edited 10:27AM
    Roger said:

    eek said:

    Roger said:

    Kemi is bloody awful! If you've got nothing to say - say nothing. This is surreal. She's holding a press conference to a Tory audience but all we are seeing is her. It feels like one of those old fashioned programmes with canned laughter and added cheering.

    The classy thing to do is give Burnham his moment and if she's got something relevant to say that's the time to say it.

    How on earth do you respond to something when you don’t know what you are responding to
    I don't think Burnham's press conference was exactly a secret! If Kemi wanted to know what time it started she could have asked the flower seller outside Covent Garden tube station..... any taxi driver .... the No 10 cat......The vagrant on Old Compton Street, .At least Farage can breathe a sigh of relief. A wonderful distraction...... The poor woman is guessing what Burnham might do and then saying why she wouldn't do it!

    You couldn't make it up. The BBC are now making excuses for her.....Never a good sign
    You don't seem to get politics do you

    And Burnham's speech is much trailed
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,572
    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    I find that statistic interesting in itself. I can understand a difference between men and women, but between women married and unmarried?

    Might be connected to children, possibly.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,572
    @rcs1000 A very interesting header, thank you.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,986

    Its a good job England bat deep.....

    Over by lunch, pissed by tea, the Bazball way.
    I presume Baz is getting sacked in the morning.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,266
    He's not even PM yet and they're already producing clones.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgrk4rpxnx7t

    image
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,660
    AnneJGP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    I find that statistic interesting in itself. I can understand a difference between men and women, but between women married and unmarried?

    Might be connected to children, possibly.
    Age also possibly a factor - older women being more likely to be married?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,535
    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    First

    You back from Hols Taz
    Sadly yes Malc. It was lush. We didn’t want to come back.

    Hope all is good there
    Yes not bad at all, I am off to Florida next week, Grandson getting married in Sarasota. Be too hot mind you.
    Have a wonderful trip and wedding

    I took the family to our eldest son's marriage in Canada in 2015 and many happy memories were made
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,812
    AnneJGP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    I find that statistic interesting in itself. I can understand a difference between men and women, but between women married and unmarried?

    Might be connected to children, possibly.
    Isn't it at least in part a function of age?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335
    edited 10:34AM
    AnneJGP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    I find that statistic interesting in itself. I can understand a difference between men and women, but between women married and unmarried?

    Might be connected to children, possibly.
    Conservative women are more likely to get married in the first place and have traditional family values
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,683

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    First

    You back from Hols Taz
    Sadly yes Malc. It was lush. We didn’t want to come back.

    Hope all is good there
    Yes not bad at all, I am off to Florida next week, Grandson getting married in Sarasota. Be too hot mind you.
    Have a wonderful trip and wedding

    I took the family to our eldest son's marriage in Canada in 2015 and many happy memories were made
    Thank you G
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,335

    Penelope Keith has died.

    She had a good life and always looked to the manor born in roles.

    RIP
    Yes and lived a Good Life, RIP
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,198
    Looks like the Ukranians might have blinded Russia’s military satellite communications. If confirmed, that means their sat phones and imaging satellites might be out of order.

    https://x.com/francescoproia/status/2071504010238898616

    The precision of the attack is astonishing: rather than targeting all the buildings in the complex, the strike focused almost exclusively on the critical infrastructure. Secondary buildings were largely left intact, while the systems responsible for transmitting, processing, and routing satellite communications suffered irreversible damage.

    The Vladimir Space Communications Center is vital for Russia, and enables (enabled) the maintenance of communications with civilian satellites, government networks, and, above all, military assets deployed over vast distances.
    The infrastructure also plays (played) a crucial role in the operation of the Express-A, Express-AM, and Sesat satellite constellations. These satellites support the secure transmission of data, digital broadcasts, military communications, videoconferencing, and encrypted government networks used by high-ranking officials.

    In short, we're talking about the invisible infrastructure that makes modern warfare possible. Missiles, drones, and aircraft—everything that ends up on the evening news—relies entirely on reliable communications, which until yesterday were managed by this space center.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,866
    Wimbledon has started!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,866
    Andy B about to speak
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,866
    Burnham does human within seconds of starting.

    The contrast with the current PM is startling.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,202
    AnneJGP said:

    Pulpstar said:

    eek said:

    How likely is a married woman going to vote for Trump / the Republican Party

    Factor that in and a plan that “accidentally” disenfranchises married women makes a lot of sense

    2024 results (Women)

    Married: Trump 52% Harris 47%
    Unmarried: Trump 38% Harris 61%
    I find that statistic interesting in itself. I can understand a difference between men and women, but between women married and unmarried?

    Might be connected to children, possibly.
    More conservatively minded women are more likely to opt for a traditional marriage, whereas more progressive women are more likely to remain single, with or without a partner.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,202
    HYUFD said:

    Penelope Keith has died.

    She had a good life and always looked to the manor born in roles.

    RIP
    Yes and lived a Good Life, RIP
    She was my favourite comedienne and actress. The Good Life was my favourite programme of all time. She will be sadly missed.
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