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  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,201
    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Yes, that worries me. All the people who moan about the demise of High Street shopping are the same people who use Tesco online for food, Amazon for everything else, and Lakeside or similar for shopping days out. I'd be very happy to see the revival of the Hight Street, but it will take some pretty radical changes in incentives to achieve. Hope he does it.
    Town centres as places to live is surely the way to go ?
    There's a housing shortage, and a crazy excess of empty (or occupied by criminals) retail space. The conclusion is obvious; it lacks only will, and investment.
    Fewer than 500 lived in Manchester City Centre in 1990.
    There are now 85k residents within a mile of Piccadilly.
    It can be done.
    Are you suggesting that planning be delegated to the IRA?
    Who was it that first said that the IRA bombed Manchester city centre and caused £2bn of improvements?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,232
    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    Add Jamie Smith to the sufficient test experience. Has he been subbed out for someone else recently though ? Maybe he is the one after Root if it's not to be Brook...
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,445
    Draper out of Wimbledon with injury.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,201
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,201
    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,934
    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,006
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    dixiedean said:

    Nigelb said:

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Risky. Putting a lot of emphasis on renewing the High Streets in towns and cities.

    But a good part of the decline is online shopping and deliveries. How can that be reversed?

    Yes, that worries me. All the people who moan about the demise of High Street shopping are the same people who use Tesco online for food, Amazon for everything else, and Lakeside or similar for shopping days out. I'd be very happy to see the revival of the Hight Street, but it will take some pretty radical changes in incentives to achieve. Hope he does it.
    Town centres as places to live is surely the way to go ?
    There's a housing shortage, and a crazy excess of empty (or occupied by criminals) retail space. The conclusion is obvious; it lacks only will, and investment.
    Fewer than 500 lived in Manchester City Centre in 1990.
    There are now 85k residents within a mile of Piccadilly.
    It can be done.
    Are you suggesting that planning be delegated to the IRA?
    Who was it that first said that the IRA bombed Manchester city centre and caused £2bn of improvements?
    So, time to end the Peace Process?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,970

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    Predictive text. I meant Jofra
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,419
    FFS Draper out with a recurrence of the same injury to his arm .

    Such a hugely talented player but sadly his body can’t cope .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,653
    Sandpit said:

    California is still counting ballots, four weeks after their primaries on June 2nd.

    https://electionresults.sos.ca.gov/returns/governor

    It is worth noting that one of the reasons why California is still voting is because it allows the "curing" of postal votes where signatures do not match.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,683
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,559
    Taz said:

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    Predictive text. I meant Jofra
    I always have to read posts before hitting post, because of that pesky little goblin that 'manages' Predictive Text.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,559

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
    Famous for it's opticians, surely?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,153
    Dyor but I do like Pat McFadden. As a bet for next CoE, I mean.

    Reason being I've tried to put myself in Andy's head and the fact is I wouldn't (for various reasons) appoint any of the 3 favs, Red Ed, Wes, or Mahmood.

    It probably won't be Pat McFadden but he's the value imo. I'm on. Nibble plus top up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,201
    edited 1:55PM
    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,617
    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,198

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    That's very unfair. The Tees is more than 15 miles south of Gateshead.

    Barnard Castle: Gateway to The South.
    Thurso is the north - train-wise at any rate!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,617
    nico67 said:

    FFS Draper out with a recurrence of the same injury to his arm .

    Such a hugely talented player but sadly his body can’t cope .

    He, and Raducanu, seem blighted by this. Whether either can get the right amount of training to reach their true level remains to be seen. Sad day for Wimbledon though.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,808

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,923

    Selebian said:

    Taz said:

    Jeffrey Archer gone

    That's an unfortunate typo! I thought Jeffrey had popped his clogs for a moment
    I actually googled it
    I nearly commented that we'd already lost Penelope Keith today.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,198
    MattW said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    Indeed, especially in Norfolk.
    Or Birmingham?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g38l07895o
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,999

    Good growth in every uk postcode.

    It's all just vaguely hopey change nonsense isn't it.
    This aspersion seems particularly unachievable - I'm currently buying a house in a postcode that contains the sum total of three houses and a Plymouth Brethren gospel hall.
    The odds of achieving "good growth*" in every single postcode like this seems low, even if the country is booming.

    *what does good growth mean anyway? More wealth per sq ft? Higher average wages? Greater GDP? GPD at a postcode level is meaningless anyway, I create lots of value, but in a yard 20 miles away from my house...
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,661

    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
    Looking at Pulpstar's lists you almost wonder whether it's worth picking a captain from the County Championship on the basis of their captaincy credentials.

    I wouldn't want to give it to Brook (because he's the white ball captain, and I'm not sure he's even doing that well with that alone).

    I wouldn't want to give it to Root, because his previous tenure reached a disastrous low.

    Who else is guaranteed a place in the team anyway?

    I suppose whoever does choose the captain will have the advantage of knowing these people personally, and so they will have a sense as to whether Duckett or Smith or whoever have leadership ability.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 748

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    There's a map someone made with the 2021 census dates that put Cambridgeshire and Worcestershire in the north, on the basis of an equal split between North and South in population terms.

    I can't remember if there was a version split into thirds, with a Midlands too.

    Here's the north-south map.

    Map Men (YouTube link) did a good episode on this...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,201
    Interesting table showing comparative wages per decile since 2000. There’s a huge compression, which I would suggest is due to above-inflation minimum wage increases.

    https://x.com/maxtempers/status/2071513160905818265
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,617

    Pulpstar said:

    The England captain should ideally satisfy the following criteria:

    1) Always (For now) 1st pick if available

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bashir

    2) Sufficient test experience to not look ridiculous

    Excludes
    Gay
    Bethell
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Bashir

    3) Not a walking medical textbook/long periods out through injury

    Excludes
    Atkinson
    Tongue
    Archer
    Bashir

    3) Not been caught on the lash/hi-jinks in the last few years

    Excludes
    Stokes
    Brook
    Atkinson
    Duckett

    4) Not announced retirement

    Excludes
    Stokes

    5) Tried as captain and broadly failed as a captain

    Excludes
    Root

    I match for 3-6, but I will be a surprise announcement. Will lead to similar sledging to that received by James Ormond in 2001.
    Looking at Pulpstar's lists you almost wonder whether it's worth picking a captain from the County Championship on the basis of their captaincy credentials.

    I wouldn't want to give it to Brook (because he's the white ball captain, and I'm not sure he's even doing that well with that alone).

    I wouldn't want to give it to Root, because his previous tenure reached a disastrous low.

    Who else is guaranteed a place in the team anyway?

    I suppose whoever does choose the captain will have the advantage of knowing these people personally, and so they will have a sense as to whether Duckett or Smith or whoever have leadership ability.
    I sense it will be Brook, although I wouldn't be averse to Joe Root mk 2 for a year and see. And I don't know how much Duckett has captained before. At the moment I think Duckett, Root, Brook are safe in the batting line-up. Big questions over Bethel (thorny issue of not enough red-ball cricket again), Smith (balance between winning the match with a brilliant knock and losing it with a dropped catch). Gay looks promising.
    One thing I would do more of - Root as the spinning all rounder on usual pitches (so most English ones). No other spinners are pulling up trees in the championship (they don't really get a chance with the way its structured) and Root is good when required. You don't take 73 test wickets by luck.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,281
    edited 2:12PM
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,923
    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    One just south of Scotch Corner:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4365351,-1.668449,3a,37.6y,342.9h,93.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s-7Kpn0JymD8nXEmmuPi64w!2e0!6shttps://streetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com/v1/thumbnail?cb_client=maps_sv.tactile&w=900&h=600&pitch=-3.247328384961392&panoid=-7Kpn0JymD8nXEmmuPi64w&yaw=342.90359700157404!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDYyNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,337
    edited 2:13PM
    Sweeney74 said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    My wife is from near Portsmouth and thinks the north starts at the M4, if not a bit further south.

    Everything's relative.
    There's a map someone made with the 2021 census dates that put Cambridgeshire and Worcestershire in the north, on the basis of an equal split between North and South in population terms.

    I can't remember if there was a version split into thirds, with a Midlands too.

    Here's the north-south map.

    Map Men (YouTube link) did a good episode on this...
    It is quite possible therefore that the Tories and Reform combined win a majority of seats in England at the next general election, even if Burnham wins the north comfortably. Yet Burnham and Labour narrowly remain in power UK wide thanks to Scottish and Welsh Labour, SNP and PC seats. Last time we had a different winner in the UK from England was Feb 1974 when southern Heath faced northern Wilson, next election will now be northern Burnham v southern Farage and Badenoch
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,666

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
    Go on...do the double.

    You know you want to! :)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,754
    Afternoon all :)

    Not long back from rural Derbyshire - is it "the north" ? I'm not getting involved with that nonsense.

    As an aside, a nice ride on one of the new Aurora trains on EMR - a significant step forward from the Meridians but as usual, five coach trains on a ,line which really needs eight to ten coaches per service isn't really the answer.

    I don't know why (well, I do) Conservatives are so hostile to Burnham's ideas. It is a significant nod to the kind of devolution proposed by Nick Hurd in the Cameron years and pays more than lip service to some of Boris Johnson's rhetoric from 2019. It also borrows heavily from the Liberal Democrat devolution playbook.

    Decentraliation or devolution (there is a difference) relies, to be effective, on financial authority (not just responsibility) and accountability passing from Whitehall/Westminster to more local power structures.

    What do the Conservatives offer in response? More centralisation, more power to Whitehall - that's where Boris Johnson ended up for all his rhetoric, taking powers and responsibilities (often newly liberated from Brussels) from Westminster and Parliament to Whitehall and Ministers.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,201
    tlg86 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
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    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    One just south of Scotch Corner:

    https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.4365351,-1.668449
    Okay that’s further North than I thought it would be!
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,754
    Having decided NOT to join in the nonsense, I will simply say the River Trent is the line between "the north" and "the south".

    When I drive over the bridge at Gunthorpe, that's the border....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,203
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Selebian said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    14m
    Going to be a lot of policy and textual analysis of Andy Burnham's speech. But all that really matters at the moment is that he looks a bit different and sounds a bit different. And that should be enough to get him a hearing from the British public. Which is what he needs.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2071553912893526362

    I’m certainly happy with what I heard. Snippets only I’ve been out for a bike ride earlier.

    Like all,here, I wish him well and hope he succeeds. I’ve said I won’t vote Labour again after the Starmer disaster. I’ve even said I’d consider Reform. However if he does succeed in, at least turning it around, and does start doing stuff that genuinely helps the regions I’d consider labour again

    However Burnham needs to realise the North is not JUST Manchester.
    Is Manchester really the North? Same with Yorkshire. Growing up in Scotland and Tyneside I've always struggled to think of places you can drive to from London in time for breakfast as the "North"...
    You can tell a true northerner: he believes that the north ends 15 miles south of where he was born.
    I'm a true northener, by residence. And the north ends somewhere around Basildon :wink:
    Where’s the furthest North sign on the M1, A1 or M6, that says “THE NORTH” on it?

    ISTR one on the M1 around Sheffield, but it’s been a while since I’ve been anywhere near there.
    Scotch Corner - because it's the last point where you can sanely go West for about the next 70 miles.

    Bedford Town play in National League North. Hemel Hempstead play in National League South, so I guess the North starts around Luton.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,617

    Anyone here share my view that Japan are stonking good value at 9/2 in their upcoming match against Brazil?

    They're a serious team and despite Brazil's performance against Scotland, the boys from Brazil look eminently beatable to me.

    Maybe laying Brazil at 4/5 is the bet, as the longer it goes the more it is likely to favour Japan, and they certainly won't mind going into extra team.

    Dyor, as ever, but I'm on.

    Yes to Japan but since I also think Paraguay can beat Germany, I might be an unreliable judge.
    Go on...do the double.

    You know you want to! :)
    My only caution would be go with 'too qualify' bets rather than 90 minute bets...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,337
    'Andy Burnham's net favourability rating has returned to -11, having briefly ticked up to -4 after the Makerfield by-election victory

    The 43% of Britons with an unfavourable view of Burnham is the highest level to date (32% are favourable)'

    59% of Labour 2024 voters have a favourable view of Burnham, as do 45% of Green voters and 40% of LDs. 78% of Reform and 67% of Tory voters though have an unfavourable view of Burnham now

    https://x.com/YouGov/status/2071555259948732822?s=20

    https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/55061-views-of-andy-burnhams-character-have-become-more-negative-since-may
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