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  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,316

    If he sacks Reeves he’s done.

    Really?

    There's plenty of evidence of Prime Ministers getting rid of Chancellors and carrying on - MacMillan sacked Selwyn Lloyd, Thatcher got rid of both Howe and Lawson. Major sacked Lamont and that's before we get to more recent times.

    Unless you have a technocratic Chancellor, the occupant of No.11 will always be seen as a potential rival or alternative to the resident of No.10 so the tension will always exist however superficially friendly the outward relationship may appear - I'm sure the relationships between Blair and Brown and in their turn Cameron and Osborne suffered because of this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,571

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.
    And Israel killed well over 50,000 innocent people in revenge.

    Alien versus Predator, I'm afraid...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516
    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,963
    nico67 said:

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035367108758978801

    Reshuffle speculation from @DavidPBMaddox: Streeting and Reeves out; Rayner, Haigh and Powell back in

    Is it April 1st already !

    What a load of nonsense . And if you read the article all it says is if there’s a move to the left then it might be Reeves and Streeting could go . It’s a load of speculation. Basically a load of tosh .
    It's also a load of tosh because Rayner, Haigh and Powell would turn down any offer made by Starmer for the purpose of saving his own skin, which is what that would be. So not just speculation but utterly wrong speculation.

    Everyone from all wings in the Labour Party is now just counting down to the day after the May election catastrophe, after which the real action will start, and Starmer won't be in a position to conduct any reshuffle.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,663
    Nigelb said:

    Trump on troop deployments: I seem to have great support. CNN came out with a poll today that I'm at 100%. They said they have never seen a poll like that. The CNN poll said I'm at 100%.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2035082293677809824

    Hmm, that isn't what Ipsos found in the USA:

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/20/politics/donald-trump-supporters-iran-war

    Unless it is that circularity that 100% of supporters of the war support the war.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    And those pesky civilians in Gaza were just collateral damage

    Hurrah for the IDF. Even the rapists in their midst
    Now, they've switched to flattening Lebanon and Iran.
    And Syria too.

    There’s no beginning to their intelligence
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    And those pesky civilians in Gaza were just collateral damage

    Hurrah for the IDF. Even the rapists in their midst
    Including the 20,000+ pesky kids.
    We’d have nicked that Gaza Strip, if it wasn’t for those pesky kids.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    And those pesky civilians in Gaza were just collateral damage

    Hurrah for the IDF. Even the rapists in their midst
    Including the 20,000+ pesky kids.
    I don't know how Barty sleeps at night
    He hates fascists 👍
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,614
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    in your nasty right wing bubble. you'd be hard put to find many who agree that the killers of 25,000 children in Gaza are the 'good guys'. if you listened to Any Questions and Any Answers to-day they litterally couldn't find any.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,395

    Nigelb said:

    If these figures are correct, why are we bothering to deploy any fast jets to the region ?

    While high-end assets like THAAD and the F-35 grab all the headlines, a "blue-collar" hero, as I like to call it, is quietly winning the drone war every night. The RAF Regiment’s Rapid Sentry system, deployed around Erbil, Iraq, has notched an incredible tally of ~50 Iranian drone intercepts since February 28. To put that in perspective, Rapid Sentry has downed roughly 10 times as many drones as the RAF’s fighter jets in the same theater! It’s the ultimate goalkeeper: a VSHORAD designed exclusively to tackle low and slow threats like the Shahed-136...
    https://x.com/RealAirPower1/status/2035389347248148717

    The fast jets should be used to intercept cruise missiles and similar, rather than drones.

    Also, Rapid Sentry is a VSHORAD (very short range air defence) system, and doubtless you'd need several orders of magnitude more of them to defend everywhere. A fast jet is fast - it can get to where the threats are heading - and so it can cover a wider area.

    The Ukrainians operate a layered air defence system against drones and business. You certainly wouldn't want fast jets to be the backbone of it, but they'll be part of it.
    Cost/benefit.
    Our very expensive deployment of a few jets isn't very effective on those numbers. Most of our Typhoons have old radars not great at this job, and we don't have AEW.

    We'd be better spending the money on more GBAD.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,663
    edited 6:03PM
    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Wynn- Candy comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
  • https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,807
    Trump wants to be the centre of attention.

    And we keep falling for it. Every single time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,395
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    Shame Trump won't be around for the commentary when he karks it.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.
    And Israel killed well over 50,000 innocent people in revenge.

    Alien versus Predator, I'm afraid...
    No they didn't, they fought a war. You're quoting the total deaths as "innocent civilians" as if everyone who died was an innocent and there was zero justification for fighting.

    Would you say Britain killed a million civilians by invading Iraq?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,807
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Wynn- Candy comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It's about life.

    That's why it's relatable.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,575
    scampi25 said:

    kinabalu said:

    scampi25 said:

    So Labour ministers are angry that their plans for government are being disrupted by "events" - karma's a bitch says Boris, Sunak, et al. Awful where the buck stops and I find it hard to stop laughing!

    I don't recall laughing gleefully at the Covid pandemic or the Russian invasion of Ukraine just because they derailed the plans of a Tory government. But I guess everyone is different.
    I'm laughing at the squirming politicians not the event. But of course you know that so discard the halo.
    Yes. Purely because they're Labour ones. Doing what I wouldn't (and didn't) when similar big international disasters screw the Tories in office. So, ok, I'll keep the halo and you keep whatever we're calling that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,842
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    You voted for this, America.

    Hang your fucking head in shame.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516
    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,160

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    Fucking monster. Just a vile human being.
    I wish I could say I was surprised.
    But, but, but he’s one of the good guys!
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157
    Dimona in Israel getting a spanking from a totally defeated and battered Iran.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    Fucking monster. Just a vile human being.
    I wish I could say I was surprised.
    But, but, but he’s one of the good guys!
    Only when he’s killing Iranians and Gazans.
  • OllyTOllyT Posts: 5,142

    OllyT said:

    OllyT said:

    Cicero said:

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    The nation with the strongest interest in reopening the strait, and with the military power to be able to try, is of course China.

    If the US were to wash its hands of the disaster it has precipitated, then that leaves a vacuum which they might fill.
    And the "nations don't have allies, just interests" crowd might just start thinking about making common cause with them.

    The Chinese leadership is evil, but rational. You can deal with them. The US leadership is evil, and insane.
    I don't think the Chinese or Iranian leadership are comparable to the US leadership in the evil stakes.

    Trump is breaching boundaries and taboos he never should have in a Western country, which shocks us to the core, but his regime isn't totalitarian.
    We believed that the community of interests based on the Atlantic Charter was an alliance of principles, and that our common values mattered. Trump has rejected those common values in favour of a narrow, purely American self interest. From the European point of view, if you had a choice of two offers, one from the USA and one from China, our community of values would have always chosen America. Now, given the United States refuses to accept that community, the alliance is effectively over. Worse, many of the decisions that Trump has taken have not only been taken with no reference to the NATO alliance, several of them have in fact been directly hostile to the interests of the Europeans. In fact Trump has made comments, such as his wish to destroy the Lloyds of London insurance market that are directly contrary to our own national interests. His insults to our PM are simply not acceptable in any forum, while his despicable hostility to Ukraine and his pro Moscow, pro Orban stance is a direct challenge to the interests of the EU.

    The abject incompetence of the attack on Iran gives us a chance to haul in the USA in the short term but if we fail to put some restraint on Trump, then the USA not only ceases to be any kind of ally, but becomes instead a direct strategic competitor. Under such circumstances, we start to make deals that no longer reference a community of interests which no longer holds, but instead we will start to aim to do deals that weaken the American threat. In fact, whatever happens in Iran now, the Europeans have no choice- we can no longer rely on American weapons or political support. We will need to rearm and face the challenge not just of China, but the USA too and that is the irrevocable change that Trump's treachery has caused. When Putin goes, there will be a scramble to get Russia onside- and while that could still be a while off, we already see a conflict of interests- the US wants to keep Russia strong enough to challenge China, even if Putinism is still in the saddle, Europe could only work with Russia after Putin and his system have gone.

    Trump will be remembered with horror, but his poisonous legacy will probably remain.

    Incidentally, re the Trump-Mandelson-Epstein connection: two of the children accusing Trump of abuse in the files have boys names. The full files are, of course, not yet released, but the accusations against Trump in the materials that have been released show a man of almost limitless depravity, especially since it appears that several of the victims seem to have met mysterious deaths.
    Too long and too pompous. Didn't read it.

    Sorry.
    I bow to your expertise on pomposity but how do you know the piece was pompous if you didn't read it?
    Fairly safe assumption.
    I've found Cicero's posts informative over years, what, exactly do you think was "pompous" in the comment we sew discussing?
    Well, what did you find informative in it?
    Although this comment wasn't about the Baltics in particular I find Cicero's comments on what is going on there informative, particularly with Putin posing the threat he is. To simply dismiss it as "pompous" without even bothering to read it is crass.

    As you have agreed believe that it's a "fairly safe assumption" that Cicero's comments are pompous, I ask again, what makes you say this? I just don't see it
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210

    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    Fucking monster. Just a vile human being.
    I wish I could say I was surprised.
    But, but, but he’s one of the good guys!
    He's never been that.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.

    Going to war over that is not blood lust, it is self-defence.
    Only if you believe it to be repeatable. Self defence refers to anticipated future injuries, not past ones.

    Israel's appallingly complacent border security let the terrorists in - it should have toughened up there, rather than gone in killing tens of thousands in exchange for the thousand or so dead, while negotiating for the release of the hostages.

    Of course that would have needed saintly levels of self-restraint, and a PM who didn't need a war for his own political survival, so it was never going to happen. But just because something was never going to happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have. But invading Gaza only turned world opinion against Israel, while creating tens of thousands more recruits for Hamas, so even in its own terms it was totally self-defeating in the long-run.
    As long as Hamas exists its definitely repeatable.
  • Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.

    Going to war over that is not blood lust, it is self-defence.
    Only if you believe it to be repeatable. Self defence refers to anticipated future injuries, not past ones.

    Israel's appallingly complacent border security let the terrorists in - it should have toughened up there, rather than gone in killing tens of thousands in exchange for the thousand or so dead, while negotiating for the release of the hostages.

    Of course that would have needed saintly levels of self-restraint, and a PM who didn't need a war for his own political survival, so it was never going to happen. But just because something was never going to happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have. But invading Gaza only turned world opinion against Israel, while creating tens of thousands more recruits for Hamas, so even in its own terms it was totally self-defeating in the long-run.
    Yeah I said this at the time.

    What Hamas did was absolutely appalling and unforgivable.

    However if you want to stop Hamas and people joining it the Israelis have taken an extremely odd approach.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,807

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    You voted for this, America.

    Hang your fucking head in shame.
    The best psychoanalysis I've seen of him is by David Herdson, late of this parish.

    Trump secretly hates himself.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,842
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    Shame Trump won't be around for the commentary when he karks it.
    His family will.
  • What’s the most optimistic resolution of the Iran War?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,747
    How.many of those screaming at Trump would be screaming at him for not having neutralised Iran, had Iran nuked Israel.

    Just asking....
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,916

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    As in the month or the predecessor?
  • https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    As in the month or the predecessor?
    Sir Keir will still be PM for the remainder of 2026.

    I want him to have already quit. However I honestly cannot see how any of the alternatives will do any better.

    Not got any faith in Burnham but I respect he’s got something. But he becomes an MP how?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,575

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    You voted for this, America.

    Hang your fucking head in shame.
    5/11/24 will, I'm afraid, go down in history as one of those days. The hope - which I totally have because they’re a great country - is they find a way to clean up the bed on which they have so comprehensively shat.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210

    What’s the most optimistic resolution of the Iran War?

    Iran collapses and there is regime change.

    America buying Iranian oil is not an advisable way of doing that.
  • What is the most REALISTIC end to the Iran War?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,842
    edited 6:17PM
    kinabalu said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    You voted for this, America.

    Hang your fucking head in shame.
    5/11/24 will, I'm afraid, go down in history as one of those days. The hope - which I totally have because they’re a great country - is they find a way to clean up the bed on which they have so comprehensively shat.
    They shat the bed in 2016.

    In 2024, they rolled around in it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 26,157

    What’s the most optimistic resolution of the Iran War?

    Iran collapses and there is regime change.

    America buying Iranian oil is not an advisable way of doing that.
    Have you let them know ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,395
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210
    Taz said:

    What’s the most optimistic resolution of the Iran War?

    Iran collapses and there is regime change.

    America buying Iranian oil is not an advisable way of doing that.
    Have you let them know ?
    What a weird thing to say, we all share our opinions here, not generally with the Oval Office.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,963

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    You're more likely to be right than wrong, but only because a leadership election called in May would not be decided until June or July depending on the timetable, and Starmer's political instincts are so lousy that he might choose to contest the election rather than stand down in the face of the inevitable. He needs zero nominations from MPs to be on the ballot paper.
  • https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    You're more likely to be right than wrong, but only because a leadership election called in May would not be decided until June or July depending on the timetable, and Starmer's political instincts are so lousy that he might choose to contest the election rather than stand down in the face of the inevitable. He needs zero nominations from MPs to be on the ballot paper.
    My view of things is:

    He won’t be challenged at all. And he’ll quit of his own accord in 2027/2028.

    But if he is challenged, he will quit.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516
    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
    I do wonder if it is something as different as their faces. Olivier was an alright actor… but Livesy’s face and demeanour was probably more friendly and softer and so a more hard faced actor might not have created the same empathy for the character.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,593
    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.

    Going to war over that is not blood lust, it is self-defence.
    Only if you believe it to be repeatable. Self defence refers to anticipated future injuries, not past ones.

    Israel's appallingly complacent border security let the terrorists in - it should have toughened up there, rather than gone in killing tens of thousands in exchange for the thousand or so dead, while negotiating for the release of the hostages.

    Of course that would have needed saintly levels of self-restraint, and a PM who didn't need a war for his own political survival, so it was never going to happen. But just because something was never going to happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have. But invading Gaza only turned world opinion against Israel, while creating tens of thousands more recruits for Hamas, so even in its own terms it was totally self-defeating in the long-run.
    This is, sadly, excellent analysis.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,575
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    He's completely mad isn't he? Totally bonkers...
    Vile, depraved, senile, lacking in any basic decency. Obscenities pour out of his mouth as if he’s demon-possessed.
    I'd question the judgement of anybody who is sure that, free of restraint, he wouldn't be capable of major league atrocities. Thankfully there are restraints. Not as many (or as strong) as you'd like but they are there.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,160
    edited 6:32PM
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Blimp is a great film, but isn’t the end quite philosophical, the arc of a life with all that entails, and some wisdom gained?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969

    IanB2 said:


    For some balance: you’ve admitted your youth spent as a communist supporter. In any sensible world, that should have disbarred you from any career in mainstream British politics, just as it would for some right-wing youth who spent their time on National Front marches and later fancied a career in the Tory party. But, because of our blind spot when it comes to the abomination of communism, you were allowed to reinvent yourself, sell your soul to New Labour, and serve your time in parliament as one of its foot soldiers. Doubtless, if we dug into your voting record, we would uncover a whole stack of votes you made for things in which you simply don’t believe.

    Now, retired from active politics, you’re free to return to putting your principles ahead of keeping your place on the political gravy train.

    In the round, far from being a good example, I would suggest you’re an exemplar for much that is wrong with our politics.

    It's a view. But I've never felt that there was a huge gap between my youthful Eurocommunism and later acting as a largely loyal Labour MP. Both came from the same essentially idealistic starting point, and although Eurocommunism - supporting the principle of equality and working-class solidarity while rejecting the dictatorial slant of Eastern Europe - proved a dead end I've never apologised for supporting it (I doubt if you'd even know if I wasn't open about it). I felt that Blair and Brown were in principle on board with the project of a more equal society, in a way that I sadly no longer feel with Starmer. Nor did I see the Commons in the least as a gravy train - I took a 50% pay cut on election compared with my previous private sector job, and the 13 years in Parliament wasn't a particularly wealthy time.

    Most of us make excuses for our choices and I'm sure that I'd do some things differently if I relived my life. But you imply a more cynical approach than I ever had.
    So sorry I can only give this one like Nick. Post of the day for me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969
    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    He's completely mad isn't he? Totally bonkers...
    Vile, depraved, senile, lacking in any basic decency. Obscenities pour out of his mouth as if he’s demon-possessed.
    The number of demons offended by that post....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,842
    DavidL said:

    Sean_F said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    He's completely mad isn't he? Totally bonkers...
    Vile, depraved, senile, lacking in any basic decency. Obscenities pour out of his mouth as if he’s demon-possessed.
    The number of demons offended by that post....
    ...is 666.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Blimp is a great film, but isn’t the end quite philosophical, the arc of a life with all that entails, and some wisdom gained?
    Absolutely. It touches on the disdain for experience where he is seen as a crackpot and mocked by the younger soldiers but it’s sad in how it compresses the life of a young thrusting chap with all ahead of him and friendships and relationships damaged or disrupted by war and time. The arc of his German adversary, friend is particularly profound in his change from utter Prussian confidence to being broken and relying on the kindness and hospitality of former enemies is wonderful but tragic.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,172
    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
    I do wonder if it is something as different as their faces. Olivier was an alright actor… but Livesy’s face and demeanour was probably more friendly and softer and so a more hard faced actor might not have created the same empathy for the character.
    I'd say he was a bit better than 'alright.'
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
    I do wonder if it is something as different as their faces. Olivier was an alright actor… but Livesy’s face and demeanour was probably more friendly and softer and so a more hard faced actor might not have created the same empathy for the character.
    I'd say he was a bit better than 'alright.'
    Hence my full stops, didn’t know how else to signify sarcasm.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,172
    stodge said:

    If he sacks Reeves he’s done.

    Really?

    There's plenty of evidence of Prime Ministers getting rid of Chancellors and carrying on - MacMillan sacked Selwyn Lloyd, Thatcher got rid of both Howe and Lawson. Major sacked Lamont and that's before we get to more recent times.

    Unless you have a technocratic Chancellor, the occupant of No.11 will always be seen as a potential rival or alternative to the resident of No.10 so the tension will always exist however superficially friendly the outward relationship may appear - I'm sure the relationships between Blair and Brown and in their turn Cameron and Osborne suffered because of this.
    Macmillan - out less than 18 months after sacking Lloyd.

    Thatcher - out less than three months after Lawson resigning (Howe was a different case as he was moved to another role which he wanted more).

    Major I will give you but his authority never recovered.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    edited 6:44PM
    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
    I do wonder if it is something as different as their faces. Olivier was an alright actor… but Livesy’s face and demeanour was probably more friendly and softer and so a more hard faced actor might not have created the same empathy for the character.
    I'd say he was a bit better than 'alright.'
    This is why Sir John Gielgud was the best actor ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYztGsd1ezs
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,614

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    As in the month or the predecessor?
    Sir Keir will still be PM for the remainder of 2026.

    I want him to have already quit. However I honestly cannot see how any of the alternatives will do any better.

    Not got any faith in Burnham but I respect he’s got something. But he becomes an MP how?
    I thought the same but now I think any change will be an improvement. He has major flaws that can't be corrected,.He's a person without courage and he barely has any principles
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,160
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Blimp is a great film, but isn’t the end quite philosophical, the arc of a life with all that entails, and some wisdom gained?
    Absolutely. It touches on the disdain for experience where he is seen as a crackpot and mocked by the younger soldiers but it’s sad in how it compresses the life of a young thrusting chap with all ahead of him and friendships and relationships damaged or disrupted by war and time. The arc of his German adversary, friend is particularly profound in his change from utter Prussian confidence to being broken and relying on the kindness and hospitality of former enemies is wonderful but tragic.
    I’d say moving rather than sad, but yeah. It adds a certain piquancy that Anton Walbrook who played the Prussian friend was also a refugee from the Nazis, though I guess that applies to all the cast who were more or less living through the events portrayed.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,748
    A

    Trump wants to be the centre of attention.

    And we keep falling for it. Every single time.

    Difficult not to given the impact on personal finances, the economy, the dead children...

    Perhaps the sensible approach would have been to draw out the Greenland debacle for as long as possible, ideally until he died/got removed from office. Grim for the Danes and Greenlanders but a necessary sacrifice to prevent him moving onto something more drastic.

    The same goes for the current crisis. PB can descend into hysterics sometimes but I think there is something in him using nuclear weapons - perhaps a small, tactical one - if the "ratings" start to decline. In his first term there was a minor scuffle with North Korea; I wouldn't be surprised if that gets a re-make.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    ydoethur said:

    stodge said:

    If he sacks Reeves he’s done.

    Really?

    There's plenty of evidence of Prime Ministers getting rid of Chancellors and carrying on - MacMillan sacked Selwyn Lloyd, Thatcher got rid of both Howe and Lawson. Major sacked Lamont and that's before we get to more recent times.

    Unless you have a technocratic Chancellor, the occupant of No.11 will always be seen as a potential rival or alternative to the resident of No.10 so the tension will always exist however superficially friendly the outward relationship may appear - I'm sure the relationships between Blair and Brown and in their turn Cameron and Osborne suffered because of this.
    Macmillan - out less than 18 months after sacking Lloyd.

    Thatcher - out less than three months after Lawson resigning (Howe was a different case as he was moved to another role which he wanted more).

    Major I will give you but his authority never recovered.
    Thatcher lasted 13 months after Lawson's resignation/constructive dismissal.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,172

    ydoethur said:

    stodge said:

    If he sacks Reeves he’s done.

    Really?

    There's plenty of evidence of Prime Ministers getting rid of Chancellors and carrying on - MacMillan sacked Selwyn Lloyd, Thatcher got rid of both Howe and Lawson. Major sacked Lamont and that's before we get to more recent times.

    Unless you have a technocratic Chancellor, the occupant of No.11 will always be seen as a potential rival or alternative to the resident of No.10 so the tension will always exist however superficially friendly the outward relationship may appear - I'm sure the relationships between Blair and Brown and in their turn Cameron and Osborne suffered because of this.
    Macmillan - out less than 18 months after sacking Lloyd.

    Thatcher - out less than three months after Lawson resigning (Howe was a different case as he was moved to another role which he wanted more).

    Major I will give you but his authority never recovered.
    Thatcher lasted 13 months after Lawson's resignation/constructive dismissal.
    So she did, my mistake. Confused him with Howe.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,840
    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    If anyone ever had any doubt about Trump's guilt that nails it. Mueller did a reasonable job within the ridiculous constraints, and Barr then put a spin on his summary, and the Congress completely flunked holding Trump to account, but dozens of other people were successfully prosecuted.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,900
    Nigelb said:

    Trump on troop deployments: I seem to have great support. CNN came out with a poll today that I'm at 100%. They said they have never seen a poll like that. The CNN poll said I'm at 100%.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/2035082293677809824

    To be fair I can quite imagine CNN saying that “they have never seen a poll like that”…
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969

    What is the most REALISTIC end to the Iran War?

    The US and Israel claim victory, mission accomplished, the threat from Iran is eliminated. The Gulf countries come to an accommodation with Iran which allows Hormuz to be open again. The current regime in Iran remains in office, as blood thirsty as ever. The west suffers a mild recession on the back of the oil and gas shock. Netanyahu avoids the jail. Epstein fades from the headlines. Mission accomplished indeed.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,379
    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,172
    boulay said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    If anyone ever had any doubt about Trump's guilt that nails it. Mueller did a reasonable job within the ridiculous constraints, and Barr then put a spin on his summary, and the Congress completely flunked holding Trump to account, but dozens of other people were successfully prosecuted.
    I was at a funeral this week of my first boss and mentor. I sent his daughter a story for her eulogy for him about how this chap, very wealthy, all powerful, very influential, would always make tea for the trading floor at 4pm every day. The tea was awful but he had made it when he was a busy man and could have asked many assistants or juniors to make it but his view was very much “nobody is too important to make tea”.

    As I said to his daughter “that was the measure of the man”.

    Trump’s comments equally and simply show the measure of the man.
    A very small measure was required - no larger than a button mushroom.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,900

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    And those pesky civilians in Gaza were just collateral damage

    Hurrah for the IDF. Even the rapists in their midst
    Absolutely, there is a huge difference between targeting enemies and civilians getting caught as collateral damage, and targeting civilians.

    One is acceptable, one is not.
    I’m not sure i would say “acceptable”. An unfortunate consequence of war but one that a civilised nation should seek to minimise. That’s that is where Netanyahu has exceeded the boundaries: he has allowed far too much collateral damage, irrespective of the reasonableness of his war aims.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,840
    edited 7:02PM
    boulay said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    If anyone ever had any doubt about Trump's guilt that nails it. Mueller did a reasonable job within the ridiculous constraints, and Barr then put a spin on his summary, and the Congress completely flunked holding Trump to account, but dozens of other people were successfully prosecuted.
    I was at a funeral this week of my first boss and mentor. I sent his daughter a story for her eulogy for him about how this chap, very wealthy, all powerful, very influential, would always make tea for the trading floor at 4pm every day. The tea was awful but he had made it when he was a busy man and could have asked many assistants or juniors to make it but his view was very much “nobody is too important to make tea”.

    As I said to his daughter “that was the measure of the man”.

    Trump’s comments equally and simply show the measure of the man.
    People often judge the character of public figures on big things, important things, things that are consequential. But like you I think it's the smaller things, the things people do when they are not in the spotlight, don't have to do them, and could easily get out of them that really tell the essence of a person.

    I abhore people like Donald Trump, but I can find plenty of time for people like Robert Mueller whose politics might be different from mine but demonstrate they they are fundamentally a decent person.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,571

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    What's the betting it will last more than a week?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,747
    DavidL said:

    What is the most REALISTIC end to the Iran War?

    The US and Israel claim victory, mission accomplished, the threat from Iran is eliminated. The Gulf countries come to an accommodation with Iran which allows Hormuz to be open again. The current regime in Iran remains in office, as blood thirsty as ever. The west suffers a mild recession on the back of the oil and gas shock. Netanyahu avoids the jail. Epstein fades from the headlines. Mission accomplished indeed.
    Mandelson does time?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,614
    rcs1000 said:

    Fishing said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Statement from 20 countries including UK and UAE on the Straight of Hormuz.

    https://x.com/mofauae/status/2035326341596446810

    TL:DR F*** off Iran and allow free passage of vessels.

    Yes, but what are they going to do about it?
    "…to contribute to appropriate efforts to ensure safe passage through the Strait."

    Now that the incoming drones and missiles have reduced significantly in recent days, expect the GCC nations to move towards a more offensive phase of their operation. They have navies specifically built towards this problem, and if the US can keep the Apaches and Warthogs flying over the Hormuz area it shouldn’t be massively difficult.

    More important is the insurance issue for civil vessels, AIUI Scott Bessent is working on this at the moment, with presumably Lloyd’s of London also involved.
    I presume the GCC nations would rather the US and Israel just fucked off now and a peace deal was done?
    A peace deal with who exactly?

    Because it definitely won’t be anyone to do with the Iranian regime that’s been bombing them for the past 22 days.

    US and Israel are saving the GCC countries a lot of ammo at the moment.
    They only need that ammo because the US and Israel started bombing Iran!

    I’m sure the GCC are happy to see Iran being taken down a notch, but the war isn’t exactly unfolding to their advantage. A quick end to the war, Iran damaged, the straits of Hormuz open again, that seems like a good result for them. Ongoing war with no clear war aims, is that what they want?
    They’re been waiting and preparing for this month for the past 47 years. A little disruption is worth it to see Iran finally defeated once and for all.

    US and Israel are very much the good guys, and Iran is very much the bad guy.
    100%.

    It is quite depressing how many people here have an inverted sense of who is good and who is bad here.
    The Iranian regime have killed thousands of civilians, the Israeli regime have killed thousands of civilians.

    As @Foxy said, it's Alien v. Predator...
    Iran killed unarmed civilians.

    Israel fought armed terrorists in Hamas.

    Two completely different things.
    But the Israeli regime still killed tens of thousands of innocent civilians in their blood lust.

    Alien versus Predator.
    No, they didn't.

    They fought in a war against an armed enemy and people died as happens in all wars.

    That's not blood lust.

    Only one nation involved has deliberately murdered tens of thousands of unarmed civilians as opposed to fighting a just war. Only Iran has done that.
    It is blood lust. Nothing but blood lust, just like with the Iranian regime.
    Hamas slaughtered in one day well over a thousand innocent unarmed people.

    Going to war over that is not blood lust, it is self-defence.
    Only if you believe it to be repeatable. Self defence refers to anticipated future injuries, not past ones.

    Israel's appallingly complacent border security let the terrorists in - it should have toughened up there, rather than gone in killing tens of thousands in exchange for the thousand or so dead, while negotiating for the release of the hostages.

    Of course that would have needed saintly levels of self-restraint, and a PM who didn't need a war for his own political survival, so it was never going to happen. But just because something was never going to happen doesn't mean it shouldn't have. But invading Gaza only turned world opinion against Israel, while creating tens of thousands more recruits for Hamas, so even in its own terms it was totally self-defeating in the long-run.
    This is, sadly, excellent analysis.
    Do you believe Israels border secure was complacent.

    Really?

    No

    Mossad and Netanyahu knew it was coming, they let it happen.

    The poor victims were collateral damage.

    They gave him the war he wanted and needed
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,614

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    You're more likely to be right than wrong, but only because a leadership election called in May would not be decided until June or July depending on the timetable, and Starmer's political instincts are so lousy that he might choose to contest the election rather than stand down in the face of the inevitable. He needs zero nominations from MPs to be on the ballot paper.
    My view of things is:

    He won’t be challenged at all. And he’ll quit of his own accord in 2027/2028.

    But if he is challenged, he will quit.
    Agreed
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,379

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    What's the betting it will last more than a week?
    It says weeks-long, not week-long
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    Makes me glad I've got an EV, I think the issue in a few weeks time isn't going to be the price of petrol/diesel but the fact there won't be any available.

    Best thing you can invest in right now is a solar panel and a battery.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,217
    edited 7:13PM
    Scott_xP said:

    @bnonews.com‬

    BREAKING: Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who led probe into Russian election interference, has died - MSNOW

    Suicide? Like Epstein and Virginia.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516
    edited 7:13PM
    glw said:

    boulay said:

    glw said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @atrupar.com‬

    Trump: “Robert Mueller just died. Good, I’m glad he’s dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people! President DONALD J. TRUMP”

    If anyone ever had any doubt about Trump's guilt that nails it. Mueller did a reasonable job within the ridiculous constraints, and Barr then put a spin on his summary, and the Congress completely flunked holding Trump to account, but dozens of other people were successfully prosecuted.
    I was at a funeral this week of my first boss and mentor. I sent his daughter a story for her eulogy for him about how this chap, very wealthy, all powerful, very influential, would always make tea for the trading floor at 4pm every day. The tea was awful but he had made it when he was a busy man and could have asked many assistants or juniors to make it but his view was very much “nobody is too important to make tea”.

    As I said to his daughter “that was the measure of the man”.

    Trump’s comments equally and simply show the measure of the man.
    People often judge the character of public figures on big things, important things, things that are consequential. But like you I think it's the smaller things, the things people do when they are not in the spotlight, don't have to do them, and could easily get out of them that really tell the essence of a person.

    I abhore people like Donald Trump, but I can find plenty of time for people like Robert Mueller whose politics might be different from mine but demonstrate they they are fundamentally a decent person.
    I could have learnt the professional things I learnt from many people but that lesson is one of two I carried with me through my career. The other was another boss, who was my father’s best friend but gave no favours, heard me asking one of the secretaries to refill the printer paper and he took me aside later and strongly recommended that I never asked anyone to do anything at work for me that I couldn’t do myself very easily. The absolute best lessons.
  • Sorry why is WFH back on the menu?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,748
    edited 7:15PM
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    You say that, but...




    Part of the reason we are so vulnerable to this crisis is that our incentives for the switch to EVs have been so distorted. Norway registered seven petrol cars last year. Seven.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996

    Sorry why is WFH back on the menu?

    Because staff won't have enough petrol to get into work and secondly if you're not in the early part of a three year deal as a business your energy costs are going to go through the roof from the summer onwards so it is cheaper to close to the office.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,779



    Scott_xP said:

    @bnonews.com‬

    BREAKING: Former Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who led probe into Russian election interference, has died - MSNOW

    Suicide? Like Epstein and Virginia.
    Family not saying at this point says NY Times.

    He was: "A button-down, lockjawed, rock-ribbed exemplar of a vanishing caste, the liberal Republican"

    says NY Times.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,748
    edited 7:18PM

    Sorry why is WFH back on the menu?

    Because staff won't have enough petrol to get into work and secondly if you're not in the early part of a three year deal as a business your energy costs are going to go through the roof from the summer onwards so it is cheaper to close to the office.
    And the wider benefits of reducing demand for those who really need it - emergency services, goods deliveries etc etc
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,585
    Trump on Mueller.

    "The president on Saturday wrote on Truth Social: "I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dlj6gv0q6o
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    Eabhal said:

    Sorry why is WFH back on the menu?

    Because staff won't have enough petrol to get into work and secondly if you're not in the early part of a three year deal as a business your energy costs are going to go through the roof from the summer onwards so it is cheaper to close to the office.
    And the wider benefits of reducing demand for those who really need it - emergency services, goods deliveries etc etc
    We're going to have a de facto lockdown.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,571

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    What's the betting it will last more than a week?
    It says weeks-long, not week-long
    They might have omitted an apostrophe.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,957
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    You say that, but...




    Part of the reason we are so vulnerable to this crisis is that our incentives for the switch to EVs have been so distorted. Norway registered seven petrol cars last year. Seven.
    Seven in January 2026, suppressed because of a tax hike that just came into force. Still, your point stands, EVs account for 95% of sales generally.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,865

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2035323538601636006

    British politics in a nutshell, by @mrianleslie ian-leslie.com/p/against-intr…

    I’m quite confident Sir Keir will outlast May.

    You're more likely to be right than wrong, but only because a leadership election called in May would not be decided until June or July depending on the timetable, and Starmer's political instincts are so lousy that he might choose to contest the election rather than stand down in the face of the inevitable. He needs zero nominations from MPs to be on the ballot paper.
    IMO the probability is that he will stick out 2026 on the simple ground that the condition the world is in requires a bit of boring seriousness, and none of the possible runners and riders have both the support of MPs and members and also the intrinsic 'war leader' quality. Most have neither.

    The Guardian today reports ministerial 'despair' is a report of extraordinary gloom. Unless a new PM is going to be a good deal cleverer than the current one, it is not a good time to change. He is the least worst of a bad bunch. The better news is that its Trumpism may see off Farage and Reform as a credible party.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/20/uk-ministers-begin-contingency-planning-amid-fears-for-economic-effects-of-iran-war

  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,614

    ydoethur said:

    boulay said:

    Nigelb said:

    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    boulay said:

    BTW for all Colonel Blimp fans/detractors, I saw today that it’s on iPlayer.

    It is a brilliant film, well worth a watch, not just in its technique but also for its positive depiction of the Germans in a wartime film. General Winstanley comes over as out dated, but always as likeable, loyal and kind hearted.
    It’s definitely one of my all time top films. “Blimp” always reminds me of one of my grandfathers and old school headmasters with the combination of discipline, good heart and no-nonsense.

    It’s actually quite a sad film when you think about the evolution of the characters, youth to age, superiority to being broken, useful to mocked as useless.
    Roger Livesey is an underrated actor.
    (It's impossible I think to imagine Olivier, who was first choice for the role, producing so human a performance
    I do wonder if it is something as different as their faces. Olivier was an alright actor… but Livesy’s face and demeanour was probably more friendly and softer and so a more hard faced actor might not have created the same empathy for the character.
    I'd say he was a bit better than 'alright.'
    This is why Sir John Gielgud was the best actor ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYztGsd1ezs
    Best raconteur. When invited for dinner by Peter O'Toole he declined saying "Can't make it. Geilgud doesn't feelgood"

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,969

    DavidL said:

    What is the most REALISTIC end to the Iran War?

    The US and Israel claim victory, mission accomplished, the threat from Iran is eliminated. The Gulf countries come to an accommodation with Iran which allows Hormuz to be open again. The current regime in Iran remains in office, as blood thirsty as ever. The west suffers a mild recession on the back of the oil and gas shock. Netanyahu avoids the jail. Epstein fades from the headlines. Mission accomplished indeed.
    Mandelson does time?
    Almost certainly not. People like him are protected.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,748
    RobD said:

    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    You say that, but...




    Part of the reason we are so vulnerable to this crisis is that our incentives for the switch to EVs have been so distorted. Norway registered seven petrol cars last year. Seven.
    Seven in January 2026, suppressed because of a tax hike that just came into force. Still, your point stands, EVs account for 95% of sales generally.
    My bad, you're right.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,996
    Andy_JS said:

    Trump on Mueller.

    "The president on Saturday wrote on Truth Social: "I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dlj6gv0q6o

    I wonder who JD Vance will be reporting Trump to?

    Report those who celebrate Charlie Kirk death to employers, Vance says

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r5y33pj5o
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,663
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    You say that, but...




    Part of the reason we are so vulnerable to this crisis is that our incentives for the switch to EVs have been so distorted. Norway registered seven petrol cars last year. Seven.
    While US automakers have moved away from EV, BYD have just unveiled a 600 mille range model that charges in 5 min.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,516

    Andy_JS said:

    Trump on Mueller.

    "The president on Saturday wrote on Truth Social: "I'm glad he's dead. He can no longer hurt innocent people!""

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dlj6gv0q6o

    I wonder who JD Vance will be reporting Trump to?

    Report those who celebrate Charlie Kirk death to employers, Vance says

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0r5y33pj5o
    Bit weird to be sticking up for your side-piece’s deceased husband but that’s where US politics is I suppose.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,210
    Eabhal said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    https://x.com/Faytuks/status/2035423986549510181

    BREAKING: The US and Israel are preparing for a significant expansion of the war with Iran as Trump intends to take control of the Strait of Hormuz in a weeks-long operation, according to Israeli sources - Kann

    If this happens my forecast of a modest recession is going to need to be upgraded.
    I think we're about four weeks away from a depression.

    At work we've already made contingencies for a full scale WFH within weeks, like March 2020.
    Fill your tanks lads and lasses. Present prices are extortionate but they may well get a hell of a lot worse.
    You say that, but...




    Part of the reason we are so vulnerable to this crisis is that our incentives for the switch to EVs have been so distorted. Norway registered seven petrol cars last year. Seven.
    That chart is quite compatible with fuel prices being extortionate.

    Our price is mostly tax, which does not go on the roads. It is extortionate.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,747
    Hyperinflation in Iran?

    Iran launches 10mn rial banknote as war triggers dash for cash https://share.google/LVfrAlF5c06BZPJ0Z
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,172
    For those who fancy some light relief amid the gloom:

    How NCP went bust.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl5rwgr5l2o
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,900

    What’s the most optimistic resolution of the Iran War?

    Iran collapses and there is regime change.

    America buying Iranian oil is not an advisable way of doing that.
    How can they pay with the banking sanctions in place? Wouldn’t the money - at best - go into an escrow account?
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