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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,926
    @bloomberg.com‬

    Breaking: Elon Musk defrauded Twitter investors when he disparaged the company in 2022 in an effort to buy the social media platform for a lower price than his original $44 billion bid, a jury concluded
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,903
    nico67 said:

    Trump fxcked the world then fxcked off to leave everyone else to clear up the mess .

    Why change the habit of a lifetime?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,490
    nico67 said:

    Trump fxcked the world then fxcked off to leave everyone else to clear up the mess .

    So FAFO needs to be reworked as Fuck About and Fuck Off.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,582
    Bloody hell, I put money on Man Utd for the first time ever, and they go and get a red card.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,926
    @cnn.com‬

    A judge has ruled that a Pentagon policy limiting independent press access is unlawful, dealing a major blow to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's push for tighter media control.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,893

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
    There are less salubrious bits of Westminster, housing estates round Paddington mostly.
    I guess. But even then hardly the Bronx.
    Eliza Doolittle used to live in Westminster
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,903
    edited March 20

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
    There are less salubrious bits of Westminster, housing estates round Paddington mostly.
    I guess. But even then hardly the Bronx.
    Eliza Doolittle used to live in Westminster
    And now she's dead I tell you, dead. Be very afraid...

    (It would be interesting to come up with a measure of the difference between actual safety and percieved safety. Where are the places where people are afraid and don't really need to be, and where are they foolishly confident?)
  • glwglw Posts: 10,838
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    He doesn't need the Strait open but he might also be planning to occupy Kharg Island? Okay, has anyone thought of showing him a map?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,546

    No post for almost half an hour. Is everyone out celebrating Eid?

    Eid, for lack of a better word, is good.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,083

    A fairly recent piece of polling that depressed me was that people still wanted to tax millionaires more, even if that meant less tax coming in. I mean the mess the nappy stupidity of it.

    Whoever comes in, the public will need to be consciously trained to become more resilient, the way that socialism has consciously trained them (and trains them still) to become ever more helpless and dependent.

    One good polling question would be:

    Would you prefer to see more / fewer / zero rich people in the UK ?
    I see little evidence that the presence of the ultra-rich actually does much for everyone else. They’re too good at avoiding tax. Whereas greater income equality is associated with greater happiness and better health.

    So, I would prefer to move to greater equality, by which I mean levels we saw in the ‘50s and ‘60s, when there was still plenty of rich people, and plenty of innovation/growth.
    Fair enough but what can we do about the tech bros, oligarchs and other ultra rich ?

    And they seem too distant for there to be much resentment against them in any case.

    Its people who are in the £10m zone who seem to get a lot of resentment and who could easily be taxed into leaving or stopping work.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,370
    https://x.com/seanpmathews/status/2035096515467673686

    Saudi Arabia gives the US expanded access to bases and airspace for war on Iran.

    UAE Foreign Minister told Marco Rubio Abu Dhabi is ready for a war to last nine months.

    “Attitude has shifted towards supporting the US war as a way to punish Iran for strikes”
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,926
    @jessica-rn.bsky.social‬

    France and Spain have closed their airspace to any aircraft engaged in offensive missions against Iran

    https://bsky.app/profile/jessica-rn.bsky.social/post/3mhiiai43gs2c
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,193
    What do Bibi and Monty Python's Norwegian Blue have in common? Allegedly.

    https://youtu.be/Xq1FLGAEaVw?si=w_nzjpV2Dt6Sz298
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,744
    Scott_xP said:

    @jessica-rn.bsky.social‬

    France and Spain have closed their airspace to any aircraft engaged in offensive missions against Iran

    https://bsky.app/profile/jessica-rn.bsky.social/post/3mhiiai43gs2c

    What about slightly disdainful missions?
    Casually indifferent to hurt feelings missions?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,501

    Scott_xP said:

    @jessica-rn.bsky.social‬

    France and Spain have closed their airspace to any aircraft engaged in offensive missions against Iran

    https://bsky.app/profile/jessica-rn.bsky.social/post/3mhiiai43gs2c

    What about slightly disdainful missions?
    Casually indifferent to hurt feelings missions?
    Do they regard anything taking off from UK offensive, whilst UK calls it defensive? 🧐
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,952

    What do Bibi and Monty Python's Norwegian Blue have in common? Allegedly.

    https://youtu.be/Xq1FLGAEaVw?si=w_nzjpV2Dt6Sz298

    Got enough tinfoil over there?
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,146
    edited March 20

    A fairly recent piece of polling that depressed me was that people still wanted to tax millionaires more, even if that meant less tax coming in. I mean the mess the nappy stupidity of it.

    Whoever comes in, the public will need to be consciously trained to become more resilient, the way that socialism has consciously trained them (and trains them still) to become ever more helpless and dependent.

    One good polling question would be:

    Would you prefer to see more / fewer / zero rich people in the UK ?
    I see little evidence that the presence of the ultra-rich actually does much for everyone else. They’re too good at avoiding tax...
    Have you looked for it, or don't you want to find it? In the UK, the top 0.1% (roughly the top 30,000–35,000 earners) are responsible for approximately 12.7% to 14% of all income tax revenue (around £35-40 billion/year, or about a quarter of the health service for example), so even if we just equate the good people do with the amount of tax they pay, you're wrong.

    But they also provide far more than their fair share of employment to others, by consuming by saving money that it subsequently invested in the economy, or by creating businesses themselves.

    We need to attract wealth, not drive it away.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,582

    A fairly recent piece of polling that depressed me was that people still wanted to tax millionaires more, even if that meant less tax coming in. I mean the mess the nappy stupidity of it.

    Whoever comes in, the public will need to be consciously trained to become more resilient, the way that socialism has consciously trained them (and trains them still) to become ever more helpless and dependent.

    One good polling question would be:

    Would you prefer to see more / fewer / zero rich people in the UK ?
    I see little evidence that the presence of the ultra-rich actually does much for everyone else. They’re too good at avoiding tax. Whereas greater income equality is associated with greater happiness and better health.

    So, I would prefer to move to greater equality, by which I mean levels we saw in the ‘50s and ‘60s, when there was still plenty of rich people, and plenty of innovation/growth.
    They pay most of the tax, no?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Trump: “I think we've won. We've knocked out (Iran's) navy, their air force. We've knocked out their anti-aircraft. We've knocked out everything... From a military standpoint, they're finished."

    The only problem being that he hasn't won. America has not won. And they are a fucking hell of a long way from winning.

    But otherwise...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,695
    edited March 20
    ohnotnow said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So basically he is saying "I've just shat all over your doorstep, I think you will find cleaning it up very rewarding".
    Old gang trick was shitting in a newspaper, then setting it on fire and leaving it outside an rivals door. They come out - stomp to try and put it out - and... have a bit of a surprise.
    That sounds identifiable by DNA.

    As of about now police can even take a DNA sample of your dog for identification (sheep for the protection of), as well as yourself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So no one has told him yet about fertilizer?

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,582
    Roger said:

    Ch4 News is so much better than anything the BBC can offer. How are the mighty fallen. The fuel crisis is worldwide the worst in history. How long will the Americans be prepared to live with Trumps colossal folly?

    Because they reflect your own views very closely.

    I used to watch Channel 4 News every day back in the 1990s as a teenager because they were so good despite their slight left-wing bias at the time.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,926
    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

    US official on Trump's Truth Post: I don't think Trump's post signals an imminent end to the war.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,193
    RobD said:

    What do Bibi and Monty Python's Norwegian Blue have in common? Allegedly.

    https://youtu.be/Xq1FLGAEaVw?si=w_nzjpV2Dt6Sz298

    Got enough tinfoil over there?
    Did you watch the clip? Keith suspects Bibi might have been injured and not necessarily killed, hence the A1.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768
    edited March 20
    Scott_xP said:

    @fintwitter.bsky.social‬

    US official on Trump's Truth Post: I don't think Trump's post signals an imminent end to the war.

    There is no point in anyone trying to work out what is in his head.

    One moment becomes another and everything changes.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,695
    The other day someone mentioned drones vs destroyers in the Hormuz Strait, and how would the ships defend themselves.

    I've had a mini-dig, and the largest "drone swarm" I can find in practice is 18 drones launched by the Houthis in the Red Sea a couple of years back.

    Defence was layered by different systems from several ships.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/10/houthis-call-wests-bluff-with-renewed-red-sea-drone-assault

    I'm not convinced that an attack by say a couple of hundred drones, or waves totalling several hundred, could be swatted easily.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,695

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So no one has told him yet about fertilizer?

    No problems for the USA.

    Most of theirs comes from Canada and Russia !!!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,370
    https://x.com/javierblas/status/2035132835221135667

    BREAKING: US Treasury eases oil sanctions on Iran, including permiting the sale of Iranian crude and refined products into the United States.

    Scott Bessent calls it a "narrowly tailored, short-term authorization permitting the sale of Iranian oil currently stranded at sea."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768
    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So no one has told him yet about fertilizer?

    No problems for the USA.

    Most of theirs comes from Canada and Russia !!!
    All their food is from those two countries?

    This is why MAGA and Trump are off their heads. The world they imagine could happen cannot. We live on a totally interconnected planet.

    Now, it might be possible to return to a 'Little House on the Prairie' world in the US where the arrival of a new season's calico and seed corn was a major annual event but...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,582
    Headline on ITN News website.

    "UK to allow US to use British bases to strike Iranian sites targeting Strait of Hormuz"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-03-20/iranian-attack-on-gas-plant-could-take-five-years-to-recover-from-qatar-warns
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,347
    Tim Marshall really knows his stuff .

    If you haven’t watched it he was on Newsnight tonight . A brilliant explanation of the difficulties in securing the Strait of Hormuz and the wider Persian Gulf .
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,695

    MattW said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So no one has told him yet about fertilizer?

    No problems for the USA.

    Most of theirs comes from Canada and Russia !!!
    All their food is from those two countries?

    This is why MAGA and Trump are off their heads. The world they imagine could happen cannot. We live on a totally interconnected planet.

    Now, it might be possible to return to a 'Little House on the Prairie' world in the US where the arrival of a new season's calico and seed corn was a major annual event but...
    Ferty-loiser
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 39,582
    nico67 said:

    Tim Marshall really knows his stuff .

    If you haven’t watched it he was on Newsnight tonight . A brilliant explanation of the difficulties in securing the Strait of Hormuz and the wider Persian Gulf .

    He's brilliant. Loved his work as Sky News foreign correspondent for many years.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,843
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    Tim Marshall really knows his stuff .

    If you haven’t watched it he was on Newsnight tonight . A brilliant explanation of the difficulties in securing the Strait of Hormuz and the wider Persian Gulf .

    He's brilliant. Loved his work as Sky News foreign correspondent for many years.
    Decent writer as well.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768
    nico67 said:

    Tim Marshall really knows his stuff .

    If you haven’t watched it he was on Newsnight tonight . A brilliant explanation of the difficulties in securing the Strait of Hormuz and the wider Persian Gulf .

    Hard to secure the Straits? Surely not? Donny has spent all of five minutes on a plan to take them using only a thousand marines.

    What could go wrong?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768

    https://x.com/javierblas/status/2035132835221135667

    BREAKING: US Treasury eases oil sanctions on Iran, including permiting the sale of Iranian crude and refined products into the United States.

    Scott Bessent calls it a "narrowly tailored, short-term authorization permitting the sale of Iranian oil currently stranded at sea."

    WTF?

    Trump is at total war with Iran but is now buying their oil in order to try and save the midterms?

    I shall retire to Bedlam.
  • I’m personally opposed to supporting the public with energy bills.

    However, politically it’s probably the last and only chance Labour has to show the public they’re on their side. So politically it makes sense.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,802

    I’m personally opposed to supporting the public with energy bills.

    However, politically it’s probably the last and only chance Labour has to show the public they’re on their side. So politically it makes sense.

    It doesn't. You get no gratitude from the voters.

    Ask ex-PM Rishi Sunak.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,768

    I’m personally opposed to supporting the public with energy bills.

    However, politically it’s probably the last and only chance Labour has to show the public they’re on their side. So politically it makes sense.

    The bond market gnomes may well decide this.
  • I’m personally opposed to supporting the public with energy bills.

    However, politically it’s probably the last and only chance Labour has to show the public they’re on their side. So politically it makes sense.

    It doesn't. You get no gratitude from the voters.

    Ask ex-PM Rishi Sunak.
    It’s got to be worth a roll of the dice. What else do they have?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,778

    I’m personally opposed to supporting the public with energy bills.

    However, politically it’s probably the last and only chance Labour has to show the public they’re on their side. So politically it makes sense.

    It doesn't. You get no gratitude from the voters.

    Ask ex-PM Rishi Sunak.
    It’s got to be worth a roll of the dice. What else do they have?
    Fellating the EU.

    And, yes, they're going to try that as well.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,778
    Roger said:

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
    On the contrary. An excellent post. Something you haven't managed for quite a while.
    Lol. Plaudits from "Wodger". The biggest red flag of them all. And the kiss of death to any serious poster.

    Someone who's still (checks notes) not close to breaking even 7k of likes, despite posting well over 22,000 times.

    The site's resident moron.
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