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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,776
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    If the Iran invasion is illegal then facilitating attacks on them by the Americans and Israelis is also illegal.

    Starmer out.

    It’s a grey area .

    Because it’s classed as protecting ships from being attacked so goes down as defensive in No 10 . I wish we had nothing at all to do with any of this but as opposed to the rest of Europe Starmer can’t afford a total rupture with the US administration.
    No policy change at all

    No RAF involvement.

    Attacking Iranian sites that are military and attacking Straits of Hormuz

    If Ships start moving oil will be another win for Statesman Starmer.
    https://x.com/i/status/2035046718509563959
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,528
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,022
    DougSeal said:

    I don’t know what the fuss is about petrol prices. I just put £40 in every time.

    I just fill it, get over 600 miles to a tank , so not very often.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,837

    malcolmg said:

    Sandpit said:

    Well I’m expecting the price of petrol to come down next month.

    How’s about you guys?

    I don't give a F**k either way
    Natasha Bertrand
    @NatashaBertrand
    A recent internal assessment from the Defense Intelligence Agency that was circulating inside the Pentagon in recent weeks determined that Iran could potentially keep the passage shut for anywhere from one to six months, four sources familiar with the document told CNN. But White House and Pentagon officials insisted that the assessment — particularly the longer end timeframe, which some consider a worst-case scenario — was not being seriously considered.

    https://x.com/NatashaBertrand/status/2035048222901903410
    As I said yesterday you can listen to the people who know — because that $100 billion a year buys a lot of very, very specialist knowledge — or you can just go with the thoughts of one of the dumbest people on Earth.

    We'll be lucky if this doesn't turn into WW III.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 70,776
    edited 7:09PM

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    If the Iran invasion is illegal then facilitating attacks on them by the Americans and Israelis is also illegal.

    Starmer out.

    It’s a grey area .

    Because it’s classed as protecting ships from being attacked so goes down as defensive in No 10 . I wish we had nothing at all to do with any of this but as opposed to the rest of Europe Starmer can’t afford a total rupture with the US administration.
    No policy change at all

    No RAF involvement.

    Attacking Iranian sites that are military and attacking Straits of Hormuz

    If Ships start moving oil will be another win for Statesman Starmer.
    https://x.com/i/status/2035046718509563959
    Defending our people includes the RAF and taking action against missiles that are fired at them
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,417

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    Well there was at least one PBer who pointed that out 15 years ago.

    And also predicted that student tuition fees would also end in disaster.

    However, that PBer was told that any such problems would be decades away and would be sorted out beforehand.
    I reckon I referred to the golden generation within my first 100 PB posts


    23000 posts later and me now part of the TL gravy train I still believe it should be in the bin and retrospectively adjusted downwards

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,008
    malcolmg said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    The question was "could" not "should".
    You might think the government could afford to keep the triple lock (borrow more) but that doesn't mean they should.
    they need to clear out all the crazy government spending. Minimum 10% efficiency saving across the board , including all benefits, except defense. Illegal immigration minimum 50% cut on hosting them. Should be very simple
    I wonder why no-one has tried efficiency savings before?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,743
    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    If the Iran invasion is illegal then facilitating attacks on them by the Americans and Israelis is also illegal.

    Starmer out.

    It’s a grey area .

    Because it’s classed as protecting ships from being attacked so goes down as defensive in No 10 . I wish we had nothing at all to do with any of this but as opposed to the rest of Europe Starmer can’t afford a total rupture with the US administration.
    No policy change at all

    No RAF involvement.

    Attacking Iranian sites that are military and attacking Straits of Hormuz

    If Ships start moving oil will be another win for Statesman Starmer.
    Ahem


  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 855

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    I think there's something to be said for shorting people who go heavy on identity politics.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,022

    malcolmg said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    The question was "could" not "should".
    You might think the government could afford to keep the triple lock (borrow more) but that doesn't mean they should.
    they need to clear out all the crazy government spending. Minimum 10% efficiency saving across the board , including all benefits, except defense. Illegal immigration minimum 50% cut on hosting them. Should be very simple
    I wonder why no-one has tried efficiency savings before?
    Cowardice and wishing to keep supping at the trough at all costs
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,082
    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship and polarisation, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I've posted this before, and it pertains to Trump's first victory in 2016 - but IMO this is still the best answer to that question - written by someone from red America who escaped to blue America so understands both sides.

    https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 855
    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm thankful not to be one of those having to make choices for the country. I know pensioners who are already finding it impossible to make ends meet, fulltime working people ditto, longterm sick/disabled ditto.

    I know far too many longterm sick/disabled people who are utterly genuine 'cases', in some cases whole families of them. Not ill-wishing anybody but sometimes it seems our society has turned Darwin on its head.

    Sometimes it seems that comment sections up and down the internet are filled with innumerate geniuses who have calculated that £600 a night to lock someone away for years on end in a hospital is cheaper, kinder, and better than giving someone £100 a week in PIP. People that they won't employ and pretend it's out of kindness, and when they are employed, a system is set up that makes employment insurance unaffordable for this subset such that they can only fall back on benefits. Which everyone cries about them getting.

    Ultimately we already have UBI - 40% of Universal Credit claimants are in work, many of whom are working in the brutally overstretched sectors of Health and Social Care that haven't had pay rises in 15 years. One OT said to me, "the drive for efficiency leads no room for compassion, but the only thing that will help us survive the drive for effifciency is compassion," and we had a good laugh about that.
    sounds like bollox unless they were paid above current minimum wage 15 years ago, usual leftie claptrap.
    Universal Credit began in 2013.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,602
    edited 7:17PM
    Ch4 News is so much better than anything the BBC can offer. How are the mighty fallen. The fuel crisis is worldwide the worst in history. How long will the Americans be prepared to live with Trumps colossal folly?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,528

    A fairly recent piece of polling that depressed me was that people still wanted to tax millionaires more, even if that meant less tax coming in. I mean the mess the nappy stupidity of it.

    Whoever comes in, the public will need to be consciously trained to become more resilient, the way that socialism has consciously trained them (and trains them still) to become ever more helpless and dependent.

    One good polling question would be:

    Would you prefer to see more / fewer / zero rich people in the UK ?
    I see little evidence that the presence of the ultra-rich actually does much for everyone else. They’re too good at avoiding tax. Whereas greater income equality is associated with greater happiness and better health.

    So, I would prefer to move to greater equality, by which I mean levels we saw in the ‘50s and ‘60s, when there was still plenty of rich people, and plenty of innovation/growth.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,490

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    It doesn't matter what voters want, and this is where Starmer and Reeves are about to come up against reality
    It does because voters elect their governments, as this poll proves the triple lock is untouchable, most voters from all parties want to retain it.

    At most Labour could get away with means testing it that is it
    Means testing the State Pension - that would go down way worse than killing the triple lock.

    Throw one big increase on the state pension and few would notice the lock has gone, announce means testing (in any form on any part) and your political party will be gone at the next election
    As I keep saying -

    1) Merge employee NI And IT
    2) Protect the basic rate pensioners. Only those on 50K+ will pay more tax initially.
    3) Put all the old age benefits in a blender, and make the result taxable.
    4) quadruple lock - the pension is the personal allowance and the personal allowance is the pension. This means that for any pension increase the Chancellor will have to raise the personal allowance. Suddenly....

    Taxation is the best way to deal with this.
    I’m at a loss as to how 1 and 2 would work. The easiest way of achieving what you want is to rename NI and apply it to people who are below the pension age a - so you may as well keep NI out a plateau on it at £50,000 and increase income tax to 42%.

    The other issue that makes other changes impossible is that income tax is a delegated tax in Scotland an I think elsewhere (it just isn’t different in Wales and NI).
    You merge employee NI and IT

    That (at least in the short term) you create a new rate of basic tax for pensioners (below £50K income) that is the old IT rate - so they don't pay the NI extra.

    This is simple to administer, since HMRC has DOB on their systems.
    But we already have that with NI - you stop paying it on the April 6th after you get your state pension.

    So the easiest way to do what you want is to leave it as it is
    No. The point is that pensioners over 50K will be paying more tax. And all the others currently not paying employee NI.
    Which again could be done by removing the 2% employee NI rate that NI goes to after £967 a week on to income tax to make income tax 42%.

    Easily done and that 2% higher rate NI is a relatively recent invention anyway
    The idea is to remove employee NI from the board entirely. So no games to play avoiding NI.
    Sensible in many ways. However, two things would follow.

    1 Better-off pensioners would pay more than now.
    2 The headline rate of income tax would be higher than now.

    Both of these are electorally as popular as being told to find a stick, sharpen it and then poke yourself in the eye with the sharp stick. (Sharp sticks and eye pokers were both cut in the coalition austerity round).

    The problem remains- we all sort of Intuit that fiscal rebalancing is needed in general, but not in particular.
    It's about messaging

    1) You announce the abolition of Income Tax and Employee National Insurance
    2) You announce the Introduction of the Save The NHS, Protect Cute Kittens and Kick Racists In The Goolies Tax.
    3) Any opposition to the proposals is framed as you hate the NHS, you want to kill kittens and you like racists.
    A friend worked in charity fundraising. She said the perfect charity to fundraise for would be Kittens for Kids with Kancer (except for the initials).
    In the subject of KKK I was scrolling Facebook this morning and saw this and for a good moment o thought the chap on the right was dressed interestingly.


  • eekeek Posts: 32,960

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    It's remarkable how many problems he created are now becoming both serious and blindly obvious...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776
    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    The Germans (temporarily) capturing Moscow would have been strategically irrelevant.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776
    boulay said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    It doesn't matter what voters want, and this is where Starmer and Reeves are about to come up against reality
    It does because voters elect their governments, as this poll proves the triple lock is untouchable, most voters from all parties want to retain it.

    At most Labour could get away with means testing it that is it
    Means testing the State Pension - that would go down way worse than killing the triple lock.

    Throw one big increase on the state pension and few would notice the lock has gone, announce means testing (in any form on any part) and your political party will be gone at the next election
    As I keep saying -

    1) Merge employee NI And IT
    2) Protect the basic rate pensioners. Only those on 50K+ will pay more tax initially.
    3) Put all the old age benefits in a blender, and make the result taxable.
    4) quadruple lock - the pension is the personal allowance and the personal allowance is the pension. This means that for any pension increase the Chancellor will have to raise the personal allowance. Suddenly....

    Taxation is the best way to deal with this.
    I’m at a loss as to how 1 and 2 would work. The easiest way of achieving what you want is to rename NI and apply it to people who are below the pension age a - so you may as well keep NI out a plateau on it at £50,000 and increase income tax to 42%.

    The other issue that makes other changes impossible is that income tax is a delegated tax in Scotland an I think elsewhere (it just isn’t different in Wales and NI).
    You merge employee NI and IT

    That (at least in the short term) you create a new rate of basic tax for pensioners (below £50K income) that is the old IT rate - so they don't pay the NI extra.

    This is simple to administer, since HMRC has DOB on their systems.
    But we already have that with NI - you stop paying it on the April 6th after you get your state pension.

    So the easiest way to do what you want is to leave it as it is
    No. The point is that pensioners over 50K will be paying more tax. And all the others currently not paying employee NI.
    Which again could be done by removing the 2% employee NI rate that NI goes to after £967 a week on to income tax to make income tax 42%.

    Easily done and that 2% higher rate NI is a relatively recent invention anyway
    The idea is to remove employee NI from the board entirely. So no games to play avoiding NI.
    Sensible in many ways. However, two things would follow.

    1 Better-off pensioners would pay more than now.
    2 The headline rate of income tax would be higher than now.

    Both of these are electorally as popular as being told to find a stick, sharpen it and then poke yourself in the eye with the sharp stick. (Sharp sticks and eye pokers were both cut in the coalition austerity round).

    The problem remains- we all sort of Intuit that fiscal rebalancing is needed in general, but not in particular.
    It's about messaging

    1) You announce the abolition of Income Tax and Employee National Insurance
    2) You announce the Introduction of the Save The NHS, Protect Cute Kittens and Kick Racists In The Goolies Tax.
    3) Any opposition to the proposals is framed as you hate the NHS, you want to kill kittens and you like racists.
    A friend worked in charity fundraising. She said the perfect charity to fundraise for would be Kittens for Kids with Kancer (except for the initials).
    In the subject of KKK I was scrolling Facebook this morning and saw this and for a good moment o thought the chap on the right was dressed interestingly.


    boulay said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    It doesn't matter what voters want, and this is where Starmer and Reeves are about to come up against reality
    It does because voters elect their governments, as this poll proves the triple lock is untouchable, most voters from all parties want to retain it.

    At most Labour could get away with means testing it that is it
    Means testing the State Pension - that would go down way worse than killing the triple lock.

    Throw one big increase on the state pension and few would notice the lock has gone, announce means testing (in any form on any part) and your political party will be gone at the next election
    As I keep saying -

    1) Merge employee NI And IT
    2) Protect the basic rate pensioners. Only those on 50K+ will pay more tax initially.
    3) Put all the old age benefits in a blender, and make the result taxable.
    4) quadruple lock - the pension is the personal allowance and the personal allowance is the pension. This means that for any pension increase the Chancellor will have to raise the personal allowance. Suddenly....

    Taxation is the best way to deal with this.
    I’m at a loss as to how 1 and 2 would work. The easiest way of achieving what you want is to rename NI and apply it to people who are below the pension age a - so you may as well keep NI out a plateau on it at £50,000 and increase income tax to 42%.

    The other issue that makes other changes impossible is that income tax is a delegated tax in Scotland an I think elsewhere (it just isn’t different in Wales and NI).
    You merge employee NI and IT

    That (at least in the short term) you create a new rate of basic tax for pensioners (below £50K income) that is the old IT rate - so they don't pay the NI extra.

    This is simple to administer, since HMRC has DOB on their systems.
    But we already have that with NI - you stop paying it on the April 6th after you get your state pension.

    So the easiest way to do what you want is to leave it as it is
    No. The point is that pensioners over 50K will be paying more tax. And all the others currently not paying employee NI.
    Which again could be done by removing the 2% employee NI rate that NI goes to after £967 a week on to income tax to make income tax 42%.

    Easily done and that 2% higher rate NI is a relatively recent invention anyway
    The idea is to remove employee NI from the board entirely. So no games to play avoiding NI.
    Sensible in many ways. However, two things would follow.

    1 Better-off pensioners would pay more than now.
    2 The headline rate of income tax would be higher than now.

    Both of these are electorally as popular as being told to find a stick, sharpen it and then poke yourself in the eye with the sharp stick. (Sharp sticks and eye pokers were both cut in the coalition austerity round).

    The problem remains- we all sort of Intuit that fiscal rebalancing is needed in general, but not in particular.
    It's about messaging

    1) You announce the abolition of Income Tax and Employee National Insurance
    2) You announce the Introduction of the Save The NHS, Protect Cute Kittens and Kick Racists In The Goolies Tax.
    3) Any opposition to the proposals is framed as you hate the NHS, you want to kill kittens and you like racists.
    A friend worked in charity fundraising. She said the perfect charity to fundraise for would be Kittens for Kids with Kancer (except for the initials).
    In the subject of KKK I was scrolling Facebook this morning and saw this and for a good moment o thought the chap on the right was dressed interestingly.


    That's a really shit Pet Shop Boys tribute act.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,960
    Monkeys said:

    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm thankful not to be one of those having to make choices for the country. I know pensioners who are already finding it impossible to make ends meet, fulltime working people ditto, longterm sick/disabled ditto.

    I know far too many longterm sick/disabled people who are utterly genuine 'cases', in some cases whole families of them. Not ill-wishing anybody but sometimes it seems our society has turned Darwin on its head.

    Sometimes it seems that comment sections up and down the internet are filled with innumerate geniuses who have calculated that £600 a night to lock someone away for years on end in a hospital is cheaper, kinder, and better than giving someone £100 a week in PIP. People that they won't employ and pretend it's out of kindness, and when they are employed, a system is set up that makes employment insurance unaffordable for this subset such that they can only fall back on benefits. Which everyone cries about them getting.

    Ultimately we already have UBI - 40% of Universal Credit claimants are in work, many of whom are working in the brutally overstretched sectors of Health and Social Care that haven't had pay rises in 15 years. One OT said to me, "the drive for efficiency leads no room for compassion, but the only thing that will help us survive the drive for effifciency is compassion," and we had a good laugh about that.
    sounds like bollox unless they were paid above current minimum wage 15 years ago, usual leftie claptrap.
    Universal Credit began in 2013.
    Prior to that there was a whole lot of tax credits that paid money well beyond average wages as I qualified for them and I've never been badly paid.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,735
    The pub this evening was heaving. Felt a bit like the week before COVID lockdown.

    Or maybe it was just the weather.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,545

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    The Germans (temporarily) capturing Moscow would have been strategically irrelevant.
    Compare Napoleon in 1812.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,528
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship and polarisation, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I've posted this before, and it pertains to Trump's first victory in 2016 - but IMO this is still the best answer to that question - written by someone from red America who escaped to blue America so understands both sides.

    https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
    Five out of six of his reasons are just rural v urban. I think that’s one factor, but I don’t think it explains everything. It also massively overlooks the rural (46 million) v suburban (175 million) v urban (98 million) split. Trump didn’t win because of rural voters. He won because of suburban voters.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,528

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Maybe, but Gordon Brown’s still got him beat.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,417

    Brixian59 said:

    nico67 said:

    Roger said:

    If the Iran invasion is illegal then facilitating attacks on them by the Americans and Israelis is also illegal.

    Starmer out.

    It’s a grey area .

    Because it’s classed as protecting ships from being attacked so goes down as defensive in No 10 . I wish we had nothing at all to do with any of this but as opposed to the rest of Europe Starmer can’t afford a total rupture with the US administration.
    No policy change at all

    No RAF involvement.

    Attacking Iranian sites that are military and attacking Straits of Hormuz

    If Ships start moving oil will be another win for Statesman Starmer.
    Ahem


    Last SKS fan standing
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,368
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,191
    eek said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    It's remarkable how many problems he created are now becoming both serious and blindly obvious...
    On the face of it, the triple lock doesn't seem a bad way to gradually raise pensions there were pretty low, though of course it could only ever be a temporary measure. But of course temporary measures have a habit of becoming permanent and we're still stuck with the bloody thing. Surely the pension becoming equal to the tax free allowance can be used as a reason to end the triple lock and instead tie the state pension to the tax free allowance?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,870
    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship and polarisation, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I've posted this before, and it pertains to Trump's first victory in 2016 - but IMO this is still the best answer to that question - written by someone from red America who escaped to blue America so understands both sides.

    https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
    It's Trump2 I mainly mean. Trump1 is more explicable by those type of sentiments and insights.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,313

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Osborne represented the response of the "centre right" to the financial crisis of 2008 which destroyed "centre left" economic policy completely.

    The response was to look at the crisis in public finances and argue it was the spending side which needed to be reigned in - in the first Coalition Budget, if memory serves, it was £5 in spending cuts for every £1 in tax rises but the problem was the hostages to fortune by both Clegg (student tuition fees) and Cameron (no cutbacks in the NHS or Education).

    This meant other areas of the public finances had to take a disproportionate hit (step forward defence. local Government and the criminal justice system).
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,031
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    The question was "could" not "should".
    You might think the government could afford to keep the triple lock (borrow more) but that doesn't mean they should.
    they need to clear out all the crazy government spending. Minimum 10% efficiency saving across the board , including all benefits, except defense. Illegal immigration minimum 50% cut on hosting them. Should be very simple
    I wonder why no-one has tried efficiency savings before?
    Cowardice and wishing to keep supping at the trough at all costs
    What they never do is give Civil Servants a budget, and incentivise them to have some of it left over at the end of March, while delivering their objectives. Instead, they cut the budget which means the wrong things get cut. Also there is this bizarre fetish that treats civil servant headcount as something different to budget. It doesn't matter how many people you employ, it matters how much it costs.

    Also, civil service managers are paid according to the size of their budget and/or the people they manage so there is no incentive to deliver your objectives at lower cost.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,031
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship and polarisation, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I've posted this before, and it pertains to Trump's first victory in 2016 - but IMO this is still the best answer to that question - written by someone from red America who escaped to blue America so understands both sides.

    https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about
    And if you finish it you are rewarded by an interesting article on sasquatch porn
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 855
    eek said:

    Monkeys said:

    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm thankful not to be one of those having to make choices for the country. I know pensioners who are already finding it impossible to make ends meet, fulltime working people ditto, longterm sick/disabled ditto.

    I know far too many longterm sick/disabled people who are utterly genuine 'cases', in some cases whole families of them. Not ill-wishing anybody but sometimes it seems our society has turned Darwin on its head.

    Sometimes it seems that comment sections up and down the internet are filled with innumerate geniuses who have calculated that £600 a night to lock someone away for years on end in a hospital is cheaper, kinder, and better than giving someone £100 a week in PIP. People that they won't employ and pretend it's out of kindness, and when they are employed, a system is set up that makes employment insurance unaffordable for this subset such that they can only fall back on benefits. Which everyone cries about them getting.

    Ultimately we already have UBI - 40% of Universal Credit claimants are in work, many of whom are working in the brutally overstretched sectors of Health and Social Care that haven't had pay rises in 15 years. One OT said to me, "the drive for efficiency leads no room for compassion, but the only thing that will help us survive the drive for effifciency is compassion," and we had a good laugh about that.
    sounds like bollox unless they were paid above current minimum wage 15 years ago, usual leftie claptrap.
    Universal Credit began in 2013.
    Prior to that there was a whole lot of tax credits that paid money well beyond average wages as I qualified for them and I've never been badly paid.
    Almost as if it's UBI. I can tell you I work in Health and Social Care, I've been involved in funding meetings with the IJB, and the continual direction of travel in that sector is - do more work for less money. People don't stay in the same job, and when jobs are repackaged to new providers, the new providers advertise the jobs at lower pay.

    I suppose it's nice to believe everything in Health and Social Care is rosy and everyone is looked after. The truth is you have people running the IJB paid enough for three or four posts who'll tell you they have Key Performance Indicators for human moral sentiment whilst sitting 50 yards from a statue of David Hume.

    And we know this - people can't move on from the hospital, which is taking £600 a night, because no one can fill a package of care that amounts to going in for ten minutes to make sure they take their Clozapine, which is a legal condition for their release, because they can't get care workers in. The care workers are overstretched to the point that finding parking in EH3 regularly that allows them to see all the clients they would need to is simply not possible.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,960

    eek said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    It's remarkable how many problems he created are now becoming both serious and blindly obvious...
    On the face of it, the triple lock doesn't seem a bad way to gradually raise pensions there were pretty low, though of course it could only ever be a temporary measure. But of course temporary measures have a habit of becoming permanent and we're still stuck with the bloody thing. Surely the pension becoming equal to the tax free allowance can be used as a reason to end the triple lock and instead tie the state pension to the tax free allowance?
    Except the tax free allowance used to be below the state pension and will be again next year.

    Now I have zero problems with implementing it but you would still need something to make sure the state pension increased every year otherwise there would be multiple incentives to leave it where it currently is.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,960
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Osborne represented the response of the "centre right" to the financial crisis of 2008 which destroyed "centre left" economic policy completely.

    The response was to look at the crisis in public finances and argue it was the spending side which needed to be reigned in - in the first Coalition Budget, if memory serves, it was £5 in spending cuts for every £1 in tax rises but the problem was the hostages to fortune by both Clegg (student tuition fees) and Cameron (no cutbacks in the NHS or Education).

    This meant other areas of the public finances had to take a disproportionate hit (step forward defence. local Government and the criminal justice system).
    And it was the local Government costs that are probably the reason behind Brexit..
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,753

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Near-perfect Chancellor George Osborne?

    Surely not!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,368
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,859
    The mighty David Allen Green on the subject of Reform's plan to legislate so they also can do all the sensible things Trump does without asking anybody like trash the economy, destroy Switzerland in a nuclear attack, give free money to Reform voters, abolish elections and start WWIII. Like Leon I see no problem with this at all. DAG is making a fuss about nothing.

    https://theemptycity.com/blog/2026/03/the-prospect-of-executive-orders-being-used-by-an-incoming-illiberal-government/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,842
    boulay said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    It doesn't matter what voters want, and this is where Starmer and Reeves are about to come up against reality
    It does because voters elect their governments, as this poll proves the triple lock is untouchable, most voters from all parties want to retain it.

    At most Labour could get away with means testing it that is it
    Means testing the State Pension - that would go down way worse than killing the triple lock.

    Throw one big increase on the state pension and few would notice the lock has gone, announce means testing (in any form on any part) and your political party will be gone at the next election
    As I keep saying -

    1) Merge employee NI And IT
    2) Protect the basic rate pensioners. Only those on 50K+ will pay more tax initially.
    3) Put all the old age benefits in a blender, and make the result taxable.
    4) quadruple lock - the pension is the personal allowance and the personal allowance is the pension. This means that for any pension increase the Chancellor will have to raise the personal allowance. Suddenly....

    Taxation is the best way to deal with this.
    I’m at a loss as to how 1 and 2 would work. The easiest way of achieving what you want is to rename NI and apply it to people who are below the pension age a - so you may as well keep NI out a plateau on it at £50,000 and increase income tax to 42%.

    The other issue that makes other changes impossible is that income tax is a delegated tax in Scotland an I think elsewhere (it just isn’t different in Wales and NI).
    You merge employee NI and IT

    That (at least in the short term) you create a new rate of basic tax for pensioners (below £50K income) that is the old IT rate - so they don't pay the NI extra.

    This is simple to administer, since HMRC has DOB on their systems.
    But we already have that with NI - you stop paying it on the April 6th after you get your state pension.

    So the easiest way to do what you want is to leave it as it is
    No. The point is that pensioners over 50K will be paying more tax. And all the others currently not paying employee NI.
    Which again could be done by removing the 2% employee NI rate that NI goes to after £967 a week on to income tax to make income tax 42%.

    Easily done and that 2% higher rate NI is a relatively recent invention anyway
    The idea is to remove employee NI from the board entirely. So no games to play avoiding NI.
    Sensible in many ways. However, two things would follow.

    1 Better-off pensioners would pay more than now.
    2 The headline rate of income tax would be higher than now.

    Both of these are electorally as popular as being told to find a stick, sharpen it and then poke yourself in the eye with the sharp stick. (Sharp sticks and eye pokers were both cut in the coalition austerity round).

    The problem remains- we all sort of Intuit that fiscal rebalancing is needed in general, but not in particular.
    It's about messaging

    1) You announce the abolition of Income Tax and Employee National Insurance
    2) You announce the Introduction of the Save The NHS, Protect Cute Kittens and Kick Racists In The Goolies Tax.
    3) Any opposition to the proposals is framed as you hate the NHS, you want to kill kittens and you like racists.
    A friend worked in charity fundraising. She said the perfect charity to fundraise for would be Kittens for Kids with Kancer (except for the initials).
    In the subject of KKK I was scrolling Facebook this morning and saw this and for a good moment o thought the chap on the right was dressed interestingly.


    Human culture knows no end to creating silly hats, it is a universal value.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,191
    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rampant Islamophobia?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 101,842

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    Trump has repeatedly and openly declared his willingness and intent to shift policy day to day if individuals say things he does not like - aside from any other points, it means no country can plan long term with the USA, and needs to separate so they are not hurt by such capriciousness.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,082

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    That may have been true once - I don't know enough about the younger Trump to comment - but if it was it's clear the Trump of today cannot think through from action to consequence. I say this as one with a higher than average level of contempt for the type of politicians the Democratic Party spits out at voters nowadays, but even the lightest-weight Dem politician - and they come considerably more lightweight than Harris - would have handled this situation immeasurably better than Trump has.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,960

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rampant Islamophobia?
    If that was the case Bradford and Southall / Ealing would be on the list.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,313
    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
  • eekeek Posts: 32,960
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Someone at clientco had their mobile stolen outside the office in Baker Street on Thursday. I suspect it was opportunist but it rather upset her and a large number of her colleagues.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,361
    Why is Lloyd Bridges on the Trump coin?
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2034956631503495665
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,761
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Is any of what you report different to Charles Dicken's day?

  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,191
    eek said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rampant Islamophobia?
    If that was the case Bradford and Southall / Ealing would be on the list.
    Not necessarily. There can't be Islamophobia with 0% or 100% Muslim population, so peak Islamophobia would be somewhere in between. The places you mention may be the other side of the peak. Safety in numbers.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,082
    edited 7:58PM
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Your last para rather damns Newham by very faint praise.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,739
    Sometimes its better to be in opposition and enjoy the shower of shit that is and is going to find its way onto Starmer and co.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,743
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    I leave the blood on the body armour, in a style of a Punisher logo, before I go out.

    I'm trying to get to get the chap who runs the real Italian deli to stock .338 Lapua - never know what may go down after the second espresso.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzS_XtbudmE
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    No need to tell us, we can all see how well qualified he is and how that's paying off for him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,801
    Nigelb said:

    Why is Lloyd Bridges on the Trump coin?
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2034956631503495665

    "I picked the wrong week to be on coinage..."
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,191

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    He never was and he never will be a geopolitical heavyweight nor a military strategist.

    The man is quite probably a semi literate grifter. Please don't sane-wash the madness.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,801
    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So at least 50% or more of voters want to keep the triple lock and subsidise energy bills during the Iran War. Most voters from all parties want to keep the triple lock, though less than half of Reform voters want to subsidise energy bills. They are divided on increasing defence spending and not yet ready to believe a UBI is possible but not majority opposed and Green voters back it as do half of Labour voters.

    Most voters aren't that bothered about students though, more refusing to forgive student loans or bail out universities than not with Green voters again the main exception. Furlough is also not going to be believed as realistic either again

    It doesn't matter what voters want, and this is where Starmer and Reeves are about to come up against reality
    It does because voters elect their governments, as this poll proves the triple lock is untouchable, most voters from all parties want to retain it.

    At most Labour could get away with means testing it that is it
    Means testing the State Pension - that would go down way worse than killing the triple lock.

    Throw one big increase on the state pension and few would notice the lock has gone, announce means testing (in any form on any part) and your political party will be gone at the next election
    As I keep saying -

    1) Merge employee NI And IT
    2) Protect the basic rate pensioners. Only those on 50K+ will pay more tax initially.
    3) Put all the old age benefits in a blender, and make the result taxable.
    4) quadruple lock - the pension is the personal allowance and the personal allowance is the pension. This means that for any pension increase the Chancellor will have to raise the personal allowance. Suddenly....

    Taxation is the best way to deal with this.
    I’m at a loss as to how 1 and 2 would work. The easiest way of achieving what you want is to rename NI and apply it to people who are below the pension age a - so you may as well keep NI out a plateau on it at £50,000 and increase income tax to 42%.

    The other issue that makes other changes impossible is that income tax is a delegated tax in Scotland an I think elsewhere (it just isn’t different in Wales and NI).
    You merge employee NI and IT

    That (at least in the short term) you create a new rate of basic tax for pensioners (below £50K income) that is the old IT rate - so they don't pay the NI extra.

    This is simple to administer, since HMRC has DOB on their systems.
    But we already have that with NI - you stop paying it on the April 6th after you get your state pension.

    So the easiest way to do what you want is to leave it as it is
    No. The point is that pensioners over 50K will be paying more tax. And all the others currently not paying employee NI.
    Which again could be done by removing the 2% employee NI rate that NI goes to after £967 a week on to income tax to make income tax 42%.

    Easily done and that 2% higher rate NI is a relatively recent invention anyway
    The idea is to remove employee NI from the board entirely. So no games to play avoiding NI.
    Sensible in many ways. However, two things would follow.

    1 Better-off pensioners would pay more than now.
    2 The headline rate of income tax would be higher than now.

    Both of these are electorally as popular as being told to find a stick, sharpen it and then poke yourself in the eye with the sharp stick. (Sharp sticks and eye pokers were both cut in the coalition austerity round).

    The problem remains- we all sort of Intuit that fiscal rebalancing is needed in general, but not in particular.
    It's about messaging

    1) You announce the abolition of Income Tax and Employee National Insurance
    2) You announce the Introduction of the Save The NHS, Protect Cute Kittens and Kick Racists In The Goolies Tax.
    3) Any opposition to the proposals is framed as you hate the NHS, you want to kill kittens and you like racists.
    A friend worked in charity fundraising. She said the perfect charity to fundraise for would be Kittens for Kids with Kancer (except for the initials).
    In the subject of KKK I was scrolling Facebook this morning and saw this and for a good moment o thought the chap on the right was dressed interestingly.


    Human culture knows no end to creating silly hats, it is a universal value.
    An unlikely KKK grand wizard...
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,031
    edited 8:05PM

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Is any of what you report different to Charles Dicken's day?

    In Dickens' day, stodge's high street was probably a farm track.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776
    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Osborne represented the response of the "centre right" to the financial crisis of 2008 which destroyed "centre left" economic policy completely.

    The response was to look at the crisis in public finances and argue it was the spending side which needed to be reigned in - in the first Coalition Budget, if memory serves, it was £5 in spending cuts for every £1 in tax rises but the problem was the hostages to fortune by both Clegg (student tuition fees) and Cameron (no cutbacks in the NHS or Education).

    This meant other areas of the public finances had to take a disproportionate hit (step forward defence. local Government and the criminal justice system).
    Spending had to be cut. The bubble had burst.

    It was protecting pensioners, and slashing defence and justice that really rankled with me.

    And I'm not sure the corporation tax cuts were all they were made out to be either.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,368
    Oh dear.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2035078774362886452

    Russia's main TV channel is airing songs about how great life is without the internet. Getting even closer to North Korea.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,132

    Nigelb said:

    Why is Lloyd Bridges on the Trump coin?
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2034956631503495665

    "I picked the wrong week to be on coinage..."
    Although Trump doesn’t seem to have even bothered to try and quit sniffing glue.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546
    edited 8:13PM

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    I thought you weren't doing this 'LOL' schtick anymore? Drat and double drat.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,132
    One less frequently remarked aspect of the Suez crisis was that following a botched operation for gall bladder Eden was in constant pain, for which he took heavy doses of drugs, including amphetamine and aspirin. These seriously affected his judgment and led to his innumerable disastrous mistakes.

    It is a good job that no modern leaders are suffering acute medical issues that lead them to overdose on over the counter medicine and may impact their judgement by leading them into disastrous wars that block key shipping routes.
  • TresTres Posts: 3,539

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    He never was and he never will be a geopolitical heavyweight nor a military strategist.

    The man is quite probably a semi literate grifter. Please don't sane-wash the madness.
    Are you not familiar with Mr Glenn?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,132
    Tres said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    He never was and he never will be a geopolitical heavyweight nor a military strategist.

    The man is quite probably a semi literate grifter. Please don't sane-wash the madness.
    Are you not familiar with Mr Glenn?
    I wouldn’t say he’s a grifter. He appears to do it for free.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,743
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is Lloyd Bridges on the Trump coin?
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2034956631503495665

    "I picked the wrong week to be on coinage..."
    Although Trump doesn’t seem to have even bothered to try and quit sniffing glue.
    Lets settle this the old fashioned Navy way.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,050

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
    It’s 2026 and you’ve suddenly realised that Osborne maybe wasn’t all he was cracked up to be.

    So come back to me in a decade or so.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,776

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
    It’s 2026 and you’ve suddenly realised that Osborne maybe wasn’t all he was cracked up to be.

    So come back to me in a decade or so.

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
    It’s 2026 and you’ve suddenly realised that Osborne maybe wasn’t all he was cracked up to be.

    So come back to me in a decade or so.
    Ok!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,761

    Oh dear.

    https://x.com/wartranslated/status/2035078774362886452

    Russia's main TV channel is airing songs about how great life is without the internet. Getting even closer to North Korea.

    Yeh, like that is going to work.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,560
    edited 8:20PM
    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,151

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    The Germans (temporarily) capturing Moscow would have been strategically irrelevant.
    Might have made a difference if Stalin had scuttled off to the Urals with the rest of the nomenklatura rather than holding fast in Moscow. He was a horrible monster but I don’t think he could be called a coward.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    Yes, great post, but 2 edits:

    Not America, not really ... Donald Trump.

    But, yes, America because America reelected him with all his stupidity and sociopathy on open display.

    So the even bigger date for infamy is Nov 5th 2024.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,826

    stodge said:

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Voters believe in the Magic Money Tree, and it's partner, the Reform Fairy - where money for X can always be found through vague references to 'reform' or 'efficiency', predicated on the assumption no one has ever thought about making things more efficient before.

    And because they do, politicians rely on both, and we'll be screwed.

    I’m coming to the view that there are people who would rather be enslaved than see an end to the triple lock.

    What a fool Osborne was to create it.
    I'm increasingly of the view that Osborne was one of the most short-sighted politicians of the 21st Century.
    Osborne represented the response of the "centre right" to the financial crisis of 2008 which destroyed "centre left" economic policy completely.

    The response was to look at the crisis in public finances and argue it was the spending side which needed to be reigned in - in the first Coalition Budget, if memory serves, it was £5 in spending cuts for every £1 in tax rises but the problem was the hostages to fortune by both Clegg (student tuition fees) and Cameron (no cutbacks in the NHS or Education).

    This meant other areas of the public finances had to take a disproportionate hit (step forward defence. local Government and the criminal justice system).
    Spending had to be cut. The bubble had burst.

    It was protecting pensioners, and slashing defence and justice that really rankled with me.

    And I'm not sure the corporation tax cuts were all they were made out to be either.
    And Local Government was also disproprortionally cut, savings could have been found in non frontline NHS spending and overseas aid without protecting them from cuts too
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,191
    Tres said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sean_F said:

    "The commander in chief was reportedly told that the mullahs might not agree to go gently into the night, but he seems to have waved away such concerns because he was so convinced that the Iranian regime would collapse almost immediately. According to The Wall Street Journal, when General Dan Caine, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned the president that a U.S. attack would prompt Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz, Trump “told his team that Tehran would likely capitulate before closing the strait—and even if Iran tried, the U.S. military could handle it.” "

    ...

    "[Putin and Trump] made classic strategic errors. They engaged in what analysts call “scriptwriting”: They decided what they wanted to happen, and then wrote out a kind of script in which their adversaries would dutifully play their part and recite their lines. They also both seem to have ignored the standard war-gaming caution to plan for what the enemy can do, not for what you would prefer that it do."


    More from Tom Nichols at:

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/?gift=otEsSHbRYKNfFYMngVFweBDkBYlSGKPROp7ZY5gr9oU&utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

    (seems to be a gift article at the moment)


    Before the battle of Midway, some impudent juniors in the IJN won the war game of the battle, playing the Americans.

    They were told to apologise for their rudeness.

    History then proceeded.
    The same thing almost happened when Zhukov war gamed the Germans capturing Moscow, and Stalin’s lackeys condemned him. But, Stalin was more in touch with reality than Trump is.
    Donald Trump is away with the fairies and a horrible human being, ignorant, imbecilic and cruel, all of these things being blindingly obvious, yet at the same time he is the duly elected leader of a (very) large and (very) prosperous western democracy. There's no precedent for this. We can talk till the cows come home about grocery bills, EDI and other woke excesses, partisanship, charisma, Dem mistakes, social media, post truth, Musk, Russian interference, borders etc, but it remains fundamentally inexplicable by the metrics that we are used to dealing in. Anybody thinking they understand it in those terms is imo kidding themselves. To really understand it you'd need to get America on the couch. Create the right therapeutic atmosphere and ask, "Ok, so why did you really do it? You're safe here. Tell me." And then listen.
    I think the reason he won the second time is…

    People don’t like inflation and blamed the incumbents

    The US has a very strong 2-party system, so if you don’t vote D, you have to vote R

    So much US traditional media and even more social media is completely polarised and based on entertaining outrage rather than truth
    That is pretty much how I'd analyse it in trad terms. But even as I do it I sense it's inadequate. It's not 'wrong', not at all, it's just not quite explaining something so simultaneously dark and bizarre.
    Occam's razor suggests that he won because he was the better candidate.
    Customer always right? No, that doesn't apply to elections.
    Trump was going toe-to-toe with heavyweight journalists like Polly Toynbee on his Iran strategy as long ago as the 1980s. He was eminently more qualified for the job than Kamala Harris.
    He never was and he never will be a geopolitical heavyweight nor a military strategist.

    The man is quite probably a semi literate grifter. Please don't sane-wash the madness.
    Are you not familiar with Mr Glenn?
    Which one? The Eurofederalist or Trump dictatorship advocate.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,826

    murali_s said:

    So lunatic Trump and sleazy war criminal Netanyahu have the world to the brink of economic ruin. Do the right-wing shits who live on this blog still support this madness?

    Just Barty, I think.
    There is some logic in doing it with groundtroops as well, to remove the Iranian regime still hanging protestors and homosexuals and oppressing women. However doing it with strikes alone is just leaving the regime in place and leading to surging oil prices
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 23,050
    kinabalu said:

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    Yes, great post, but 2 edits:

    Not America, not really ... Donald Trump.

    But, yes, America because America reelected him with all his stupidity and sociopathy on open display.

    So the even bigger date for infamy is Nov 5th 2024.
    I say Feb 26 because that is the Rubicon moment.

    Even tariffs could be explained by some primitive logic around the need to protect industry versus China. In other words, it could be argued that it was in line with U.S. hegemonic interests.

    Greenland on the other hand, as much as it enraged Europe, could be dismissed as a kind of mad, erratic blip.

    Feb 26 is a cutting loose of allies, wholesale.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,602

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    One of your most barking posts ever.

    I can only assume you've been drinking.
    On the contrary. An excellent post. Something you haven't managed for quite a while.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,022
    Monkeys said:

    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm thankful not to be one of those having to make choices for the country. I know pensioners who are already finding it impossible to make ends meet, fulltime working people ditto, longterm sick/disabled ditto.

    I know far too many longterm sick/disabled people who are utterly genuine 'cases', in some cases whole families of them. Not ill-wishing anybody but sometimes it seems our society has turned Darwin on its head.

    Sometimes it seems that comment sections up and down the internet are filled with innumerate geniuses who have calculated that £600 a night to lock someone away for years on end in a hospital is cheaper, kinder, and better than giving someone £100 a week in PIP. People that they won't employ and pretend it's out of kindness, and when they are employed, a system is set up that makes employment insurance unaffordable for this subset such that they can only fall back on benefits. Which everyone cries about them getting.

    Ultimately we already have UBI - 40% of Universal Credit claimants are in work, many of whom are working in the brutally overstretched sectors of Health and Social Care that haven't had pay rises in 15 years. One OT said to me, "the drive for efficiency leads no room for compassion, but the only thing that will help us survive the drive for effifciency is compassion," and we had a good laugh about that.
    sounds like bollox unless they were paid above current minimum wage 15 years ago, usual leftie claptrap.
    Universal Credit began in 2013.
    your point is caller
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,859

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Is any of what you report different to Charles Dicken's day?

    In Dickens' day, stodge's high street was probably a farm track.
    One of the most evocative sentences I have ever read, from a book published in 1937:

    "It is incredible to look at a picture of St Giles's Church in Cripplegate within the memory of a living man and to see it in a country lane."

    (Cripplegate is a few hundred yards from St Paul's Cathedral.)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,546

    kinabalu said:

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    Yes, great post, but 2 edits:

    Not America, not really ... Donald Trump.

    But, yes, America because America reelected him with all his stupidity and sociopathy on open display.

    So the even bigger date for infamy is Nov 5th 2024.
    I say Feb 26 because that is the Rubicon moment.

    Even tariffs could be explained by some primitive logic around the need to protect industry versus China. In other words, it could be argued that it was in line with U.S. hegemonic interests.

    Greenland on the other hand, as much as it enraged Europe, could be dismissed as a kind of mad, erratic blip.

    Feb 26 is a cutting loose of allies, wholesale.
    With potentially catastrophic consequences globally. I haven't totally ruled out Armegeddon. But, sunnier side up, I also haven't totally ruled out that America wakes up, wises up, finds a way back. Please let it be so.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,545
    edited 8:43PM

    kinabalu said:

    Personally, I think Feb 26 will “go down in infamy”.

    The U.S., seemingly led by Israel, treacherously junked peace negotiations with Iran and murdered the negotiators. It almost immediately went on to commit war crimes in the Indian Ocean while Israel was given free rein to continue its wars of colonial expansion.

    It failed to consult allies, and has - precisely in accordance with predictions by any half-decent Middle East analyst - unleashed a global economic crisis. Supposed allies in the Pacific are now counting down the days left of oil supply.

    Basically, it’s signalled that America is ultimately less interested in defending the economic security of allies than promoting the interests of Israel’s kleptocratic regime.

    While we are still in the fog of war, I think the long term effect is more profound than you might think: no ally can any longer trust the U.S. I expect to see increasing partnership across the liberal middle powers - Canada, UK, Europe, Japan, Korea and Australia - to find ways of shoring up defence, economic and digital sovereignty.

    It’s the end of American power, really.
    It will of course retain significant economic heft and the largest military force in the world.

    But it will become a rather expensive and useless toy set. Nobody trusts them anymore. They are too fickle, deceitful and cruel.

    Yes, great post, but 2 edits:

    Not America, not really ... Donald Trump.

    But, yes, America because America reelected him with all his stupidity and sociopathy on open display.

    So the even bigger date for infamy is Nov 5th 2024.
    I say Feb 26 because that is the Rubicon moment.

    Even tariffs could be explained by some primitive logic around the need to protect industry versus China. In other words, it could be argued that it was in line with U.S. hegemonic interests.

    Greenland on the other hand, as much as it enraged Europe, could be dismissed as a kind of mad, erratic blip.

    Feb 26 is a cutting loose of allies, wholesale.
    28th February. The attack was launched on 28th February.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,870
    edited 8:43PM
    eek said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Rampant Islamophobia?
    If that was the case Bradford and Southall / Ealing would be on the list.
    The voters haven't responded correctly to the "Diversity is our strength" indoctrination. Unless being scared to walk down the street at night is seen as a strength
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,560
    No post for almost half an hour. Is everyone out celebrating Eid?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,031

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
    There are less salubrious bits of Westminster, housing estates round Paddington mostly.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,560

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
    There are less salubrious bits of Westminster, housing estates round Paddington mostly.
    I guess. But even then hardly the Bronx.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,185

    murali_s said:

    So lunatic Trump and sleazy war criminal Netanyahu have the world to the brink of economic ruin. Do the right-wing shits who live on this blog still support this madness?

    Just Barty, I think.
    I support regime change.

    Not this hit them, but don't hit their oil and don't stop their ships, and don't do too much damage, but keep hitting them madness of Trump's.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,743

    stodge said:

    isam said:

    “So there it is; work it out for yourself” as Jazzie B once said

    Where in England & Wales are people most likely to say they feel unsafe in their local area?

    1. Newham: 43%
    2. Barking & Dagenham: 36%
    3. Brent: 34%
    4. Sandwell: 29%
    5. Leicester: 29%
    6. Luton: 29%
    7. Westminster: 28%
    8. Birmingham: 28%
    9. Hounslow: 28%
    10. Wolverhampton: 27%

    yougov.com/en-gb/articles…

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2035021336158822643?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Well, I'm in the number 1 area so I always make sure the suit of armour is cleaned before I venture forth.

    Do I feel "unsafe"? I've lived most of my life in London and there's an element of common sense and keeping your wits which is important. Waving a new mobile phone around isn't a good idea near the tube station and there is persistent low-level criminality (pickpocketing, shoplifting) which is, I suspect, linked to a small number of rough sleepers who in turn have addiction and mental health issues.

    I wouldn't walk down the High Street at midnight but during the day, for the most part, it's fine.
    Westminster is a bit of a surprise. I don't live there but it is where my job is - and I've never felt in the least unsafe walking around the area. I would say Channel 4 journalists considerably outnumber the muggers on its streets.
    There are less salubrious bits of Westminster, housing estates round Paddington mostly.
    That’s where the Channel 4 journalists hang out in the shadows.

    “Want a documentary on artisan spoon making? Real cheap, mate?”
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,924
    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,185
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    🦇💩🤪
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,191
    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So basically he is saying "I've just shat all over your doorstep, I think you will find cleaning it up very rewarding".
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,602
    More fiddling by Farage....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4CyvQUCGuA
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,932

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Why is Lloyd Bridges on the Trump coin?
    https://x.com/Mollyploofkins/status/2034956631503495665

    "I picked the wrong week to be on coinage..."
    Although Trump doesn’t seem to have even bothered to try and quit sniffing glue.
    Lets settle this the old fashioned Navy way.
    Please, no soggy biscuits.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,932

    Scott_xP said:

    @alaynatreene
    Trump on the Strait of Hormuz:

    “The Hormuz Strait will have to be guarded and policed, as necessary, by other Nations who use it — The United States does not! If asked, we will help these Countries in their Hormuz efforts, but it shouldn’t be necessary once Iran’s threat is eradicated. Importantly, it will be an easy Military Operation for them,” he added.

    As the president was leaving the White House on Friday afternoon, he told reporters that he believes the US has “won” its war with Iran

    So basically he is saying "I've just shat all over your doorstep, I think you will find cleaning it up very rewarding".
    Old gang trick was shitting in a newspaper, then setting it on fire and leaving it outside an rivals door. They come out - stomp to try and put it out - and... have a bit of a surprise.

  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 855
    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    malcolmg said:

    Monkeys said:

    AnneJGP said:

    I'm thankful not to be one of those having to make choices for the country. I know pensioners who are already finding it impossible to make ends meet, fulltime working people ditto, longterm sick/disabled ditto.

    I know far too many longterm sick/disabled people who are utterly genuine 'cases', in some cases whole families of them. Not ill-wishing anybody but sometimes it seems our society has turned Darwin on its head.

    Sometimes it seems that comment sections up and down the internet are filled with innumerate geniuses who have calculated that £600 a night to lock someone away for years on end in a hospital is cheaper, kinder, and better than giving someone £100 a week in PIP. People that they won't employ and pretend it's out of kindness, and when they are employed, a system is set up that makes employment insurance unaffordable for this subset such that they can only fall back on benefits. Which everyone cries about them getting.

    Ultimately we already have UBI - 40% of Universal Credit claimants are in work, many of whom are working in the brutally overstretched sectors of Health and Social Care that haven't had pay rises in 15 years. One OT said to me, "the drive for efficiency leads no room for compassion, but the only thing that will help us survive the drive for effifciency is compassion," and we had a good laugh about that.
    sounds like bollox unless they were paid above current minimum wage 15 years ago, usual leftie claptrap.
    Universal Credit began in 2013.
    your point is caller
    600>2
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,924
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Trump: “I think we've won. We've knocked out (Iran's) navy, their air force. We've knocked out their anti-aircraft. We've knocked out everything... From a military standpoint, they're finished."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,801
    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Trump: “I think we've won. We've knocked out (Iran's) navy, their air force. We've knocked out their anti-aircraft. We've knocked out everything... From a military standpoint, they're finished."

    So next step: Trump visits Kharg Island, stands and points at Tehran...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,346
    Trump fxcked the world then fxcked off to leave everyone else to clear up the mess .
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,801
    So Trump's plan to get out of Iran: "Problem not belong America..."
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