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  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,450

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    I don't think they really need a hand though. It was many years ago that the UK Navy was overtaken by the US Coastguard in terms of tonnes of vessels at sea. What good are our few leaky tubs going to do? Clearly the US is more than capable of doing this alone, and indeed looks better doing so than asking for help.
    Lucky - I suggest don’t believe and certainly don’t join in with the PB herd with the glib hype that the UK Navy is as decrepit and useless as the Starmer government is making it look. We have some amazing state of the art boats, amazing engineers, sailors, and more great boats launch in coming years. Have a look online, our Navy looks amazing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Iran warns residents to leave areas near port in Dubai, according to Reuters.

    Ouch

    I hope @Sandpit is safe!
    He’s sitting in a rooftop bar among the beautiful people, first in line to be hit by the Iranians, with free glasses of wine turning up every few minutes…

    Because why the fuck not?
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Iran warns residents to leave areas near port in Dubai, according to Reuters.

    Ouch

    I hope @Sandpit is safe!
    He’s sitting in a rooftop bar among the beautiful people, first in line to be hit by the Iranians, with free glasses of wine turning up every few minutes…

    Because why the fuck not?
    I salute your testicular fortitude. You an example to us all

    And yes, why the fuck not
    Blitz spirit!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,219

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    Our repsonse should not change. YOu made the mess so you clear it up. No help from us. I would hope France would be the same.
    The fact that Trump put China first in the list suggests that his call for help is not what it seems. When it's over and he is triumphant, he will be able to claim that those countries owe him for securing their energy supplies.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,864

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    I don't think they really need a hand though. It was many years ago that the UK Navy was overtaken by the US Coastguard in terms of tonnes of vessels at sea. What good are our few leaky tubs going to do? Clearly the US is more than capable of doing this alone, and indeed looks better doing so than asking for help.
    Lucky - I suggest don’t believe and certainly don’t join in with the PB herd with the glib hype that the UK Navy is as decrepit and useless as the Starmer government is making it look. We have some amazing state of the art boats, amazing engineers, sailors, and more great boats launch in coming years. Have a look online, our Navy looks amazing.
    All the more reason to save it for a potential future war on European soil and not to help bail out Trump's war of choice in Iran.

    He can open up the Strait whenever he wants by stopping bombing. It's not our fight.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,465

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Iran warns residents to leave areas near port in Dubai, according to Reuters.

    Ouch

    I hope @Sandpit is safe!
    He’s sitting in a rooftop bar among the beautiful people, first in line to be hit by the Iranians, with free glasses of wine turning up every few minutes…

    Because why the fuck not?
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Iran warns residents to leave areas near port in Dubai, according to Reuters.

    Ouch

    I hope @Sandpit is safe!
    He’s sitting in a rooftop bar among the beautiful people, first in line to be hit by the Iranians, with free glasses of wine turning up every few minutes…

    Because why the fuck not?
    I salute your testicular fortitude. You an example to us all

    And yes, why the fuck not
    Blitz spirit!
    Spritz spirit!
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 439
    Nigelb said:

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    When did you start expecting even minimal consistency from Trump ?
    To be fair our own PM has flipped the odd flop....
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,864

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    Our repsonse should not change. YOu made the mess so you clear it up. No help from us. I would hope France would be the same.
    The fact that Trump put China first in the list suggests that his call for help is not what it seems. When it's over and he is triumphant, he will be able to claim that those countries owe him for securing their energy supplies.
    He can claim that the Pope's no longer Catholic for all the good it'll do him with that kind of nonsense.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,676

    Iran claiming it has destroyed 5 US refuelling tankers at a base in Saudi.

    Huge if true.

    They have also claimed they have sunk the US aircraft carrier's 87 times in 14 days.
    That's a bit unfortunate for the crew. They must be sick of it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    In other words, Washington now faces three difficult paths: end the conflict under conditions that may allow Iran to claim a strategic victory; continue the current campaign and risk prolonged instability and rising global energy prices; or expand the war and trigger a major regional escalation.

    Time is not neutral in this equation. Each passing day hardens Tehran’s perception that it can withstand the pressure and emerge from the crisis with the upper hand.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032786358930972854


    (part of a longer tweet on where the US now stands strategically)

    What remains astonishing is that this was blindingly obvious in advance to anyone who spent a couple of minutes thinking about how this was likely to develop. Just brainless.

    So, where do we go from here? I think Hormuz will be impassable without Iranian permission for months unless the US invades and secures the opposite bank. This will bring US forces within range for a lot more of Iran's arsenal. Casualties will be 20 or more to 1 given US air and missile power but my guess is that Iran can much more easily absorb 100k-500k casualties than Trump can endure 5-25k. This is a country that sustained up to 1m casualties in their war with Saddam.

    Trying to capture and then hold a country of more than 90m would take far more troops than the US has. They can destroy a lot of the country, they can impose Gaza style carnage but it is really not obvious how they actually win. There may come a point when Trump wants to talk about Epstein instead.
    Again, this is why I genuinely fear it could gio nuclear. That may be the only way for Trump to convincingly defeat the Tehran regime, which clearly - and rightly - sees this war as existential for the Mullahs and the IRGC

    How might it work? Perhaps two or three smaller "tactical" nukes on military sites, at first, with the clear implication that Trump is willing to flatten Tehran if needs be

    They would surrender. But the world would be hurled into hideous turmoil....
    I would imagine there are a few things just short of nuclear that could be done.
    Like what? No way America is gonna do a ground invasion. They'd quite possibly lose, for a start

    Japan 1945 shows you can defeat a totally hostile, entirely committed, fight-to-the-death enemy, and you can do it from the air. If you use nukes
    It wasn't just the nukes, though. (Although they were the final coup de grace.)

    It was also the submarine blockade of Japan, that meant that people were starving to death. And it was the fact that the bulk of Japan's army was stuck in China.

    Don't forget too, that peace was only agreed -even after the nukes- when the US agreed that Hirohito could continue as Emperor. Without that concession, the war might have dragged on even longer.
    To get an idea of the fun that 1946 was going to be- the rice harvest in Japan had failed. So the plan of the Japanese military was to literally remove all supplies from the civilians. And turn the civilians into an impromptu suicide army. Armed with bamboo spears.

    So between starving to death and charging at the invaders with a slight upgrade on sharp fruit....

    A little known fact is that immediately after the surrender, the Americas started pouring food supplies into Japan. Even so, winter 1945 was a tough time for the civilians.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,134
    edited 4:23PM
    isam said:
    Terrible.

    I doubt I'd have agreed with him on anything whatsoever but a friend recently died from brain cancer and it is an awful way to go.

    RIP.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    Battlebus said:

    Iran claiming it has destroyed 5 US refuelling tankers at a base in Saudi.

    Huge if true.

    They have also claimed they have sunk the US aircraft carrier's 87 times in 14 days.
    That's a bit unfortunate for the crew. They must be sick of it.
    HMS Ark Royal has entered the chat - during the early part of WWII, the Germans reported her sunk, quite frequently. The crew kept a tally, IIRC.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,450
    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    Which Chagos “u-turn” are you referring to? The UK has everything it needs from the US to proceed. The Conservative front bench claimed they used international law to block it, but that’s in the past now as well. rather than press ahead, Labour have been keeping it till other side of May’s voting and so out being issue in coming local election campaign. The Chagos deal sails through the Commons 19:21gmt on May 19th 2026. nothing in recent weeks suggests otherwise.

    Nor did Labour negotiate and draft this Chagos deal in just 8 weeks from coming into power. Nor did the Conservative Government have any choice but negotiating and drafting virtually all of it, with India and US instructing the handover over to Mauritius, based on the lease plan and terms Mauritius themselves originally brought with India to the US in 2019.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436

    Battlebus said:

    Iran claiming it has destroyed 5 US refuelling tankers at a base in Saudi.

    Huge if true.

    They have also claimed they have sunk the US aircraft carrier's 87 times in 14 days.
    That's a bit unfortunate for the crew. They must be sick of it.
    HMS Ark Royal has entered the chat - during the early part of WWII, the Germans reported her sunk, quite frequently. The crew kept a tally, IIRC.
    Where as these days if Iran claimed it had sunk any British ships we would instantly know they were lying due to not having any in active service....
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,655
    F1: this might be the first time I've ever seen the driver from third be favourite (2.5) to lead lap 1.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    Which Chagos “u-turn” are you referring to? The UK has everything it needs from the US to proceed. The Conservative front bench claimed they used international law to block it, but that’s in the past now as well. rather than press ahead, Labour have been keeping it till other side of May’s voting and so out being issue in coming local election campaign. The Chagos deal sails through the Commons 19:21gmt on May 19th 2026. nothing in recent weeks suggests otherwise.

    Nor did Labour negotiate and draft this Chagos deal in just 8 weeks from coming into power. Nor did the Conservative Government have any choice but negotiating and drafting virtually all of it, with India and US instructing the handover over to Mauritius, based on the lease plan and terms Mauritius themselves originally brought with India to the US in 2019.
    Trump has U-turned on Chagos multiple times. He’s up to about 2-3000 degrees of rotation on the subject.

    Trust me

    https://youtu.be/AiCF1QdyxhM?si=krI8MTuKculjMbl8
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,139
    This is extraordinary. Scott Bessent is called away to the Situation Room in the middle of a TV interview and comes backs gibbering.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3mgzdvlxq2c2a
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436
    Italy to beat Wales?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,450

    Mortimer said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    Take a look at your last sentence.

    Don’t miss the OBVIOUS take out - Trump calling on his hated Macron, his hated China, and even more hated Starmer for help with this, is a screeching u-turn of sorts.
    So? Trump is unpredictable.

    Hence his Chagos U-Turn, and every other one.

    Does it tell us anything new? No.
    This is different.

    From “we don’t need you. The US is the greatest military in the world, under the greatest presidency it’s ever had. We don’t need any carpet bagger joining late, it’s already in the bag.”

    to

    “Can we have a hand, please.”

    is different.

    Our repsonse should not change. YOu made the mess so you clear it up. No help from us. I would hope France would be the same.
    The fact that Trump put China first in the list suggests that his call for help is not what it seems. When it's over and he is triumphant, he will be able to claim that those countries owe him for securing their energy supplies.
    That is absolutely closest post to the truth Willy. For a blog with political in title, PBers so often slow at understanding politics and what is really going on.

    The number of PBers posting “we just say no to Trump on this as well” so dumb. We can’t. The politics at play here - identical to what Kemi played last PMQs “there is much pain involved for our electorate here, what are YOU in power actually doing about it?”

    Sure, UK did not support or agree with Trump choosing to poke the nest without pressing need to - it’s been all about Bibi re-election. But now UK voters are not only getting stung, households and businesses in UK face wipe out. There is only one course of action available to the UK government to avoiding getting the blame for the economic catastrophe on UK households, businesses, devastation to our whole economy and the crisis on our ability to borrow money to pay the UK governments bills.

    If you have been reading Big G and my own posts to PB, Trumps request this afternoon comes as no shock at all. Indeed, the UK defence secretary on Thursday hinted at not just discussions with US about joining them in the gulf to safeguard movement of oil, he presented it as decision already taken.

    Things will move quickly on this in the coming hours.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,139
    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,747

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    In other words, Washington now faces three difficult paths: end the conflict under conditions that may allow Iran to claim a strategic victory; continue the current campaign and risk prolonged instability and rising global energy prices; or expand the war and trigger a major regional escalation.

    Time is not neutral in this equation. Each passing day hardens Tehran’s perception that it can withstand the pressure and emerge from the crisis with the upper hand.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032786358930972854


    (part of a longer tweet on where the US now stands strategically)

    What remains astonishing is that this was blindingly obvious in advance to anyone who spent a couple of minutes thinking about how this was likely to develop. Just brainless.

    So, where do we go from here? I think Hormuz will be impassable without Iranian permission for months unless the US invades and secures the opposite bank. This will bring US forces within range for a lot more of Iran's arsenal. Casualties will be 20 or more to 1 given US air and missile power but my guess is that Iran can much more easily absorb 100k-500k casualties than Trump can endure 5-25k. This is a country that sustained up to 1m casualties in their war with Saddam.

    Trying to capture and then hold a country of more than 90m would take far more troops than the US has. They can destroy a lot of the country, they can impose Gaza style carnage but it is really not obvious how they actually win. There may come a point when Trump wants to talk about Epstein instead.
    Again, this is why I genuinely fear it could gio nuclear. That may be the only way for Trump to convincingly defeat the Tehran regime, which clearly - and rightly - sees this war as existential for the Mullahs and the IRGC

    How might it work? Perhaps two or three smaller "tactical" nukes on military sites, at first, with the clear implication that Trump is willing to flatten Tehran if needs be

    They would surrender. But the world would be hurled into hideous turmoil....
    I would imagine there are a few things just short of nuclear that could be done.
    Like what? No way America is gonna do a ground invasion. They'd quite possibly lose, for a start

    Japan 1945 shows you can defeat a totally hostile, entirely committed, fight-to-the-death enemy, and you can do it from the air. If you use nukes
    It wasn't just the nukes, though. (Although they were the final coup de grace.)

    It was also the submarine blockade of Japan, that meant that people were starving to death. And it was the fact that the bulk of Japan's army was stuck in China.

    Don't forget too, that peace was only agreed -even after the nukes- when the US agreed that Hirohito could continue as Emperor. Without that concession, the war might have dragged on even longer.
    To get an idea of the fun that 1946 was going to be- the rice harvest in Japan had failed. So the plan of the Japanese military was to literally remove all supplies from the civilians. And turn the civilians into an impromptu suicide army. Armed with bamboo spears.

    So between starving to death and charging at the invaders with a slight upgrade on sharp fruit....

    A little known fact is that immediately after the surrender, the Americas started pouring food supplies into Japan. Even so, winter 1945 was a tough time for the civilians.
    We focus on the 250k killed by the atomic bombs on Nagaski and Hiroshima but, had the war not ended then, you could have counted Japanese fatalities into 1946 into the millions.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 57,879
    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
    If you don't want your allies to stab you in the back it might be an idea to consult them before you do something really stupid, to be less rude, less arrogant, less Trumpian to sum it all up.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,564
    Fishing said:

    isam said:
    Terrible.

    I doubt I'd have agreed with him on anything whatsoever but a friend recently died from brain cancer and it is an awful way to go.

    RIP.
    Indeed, let’s be humans and pass condolences to his family.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,062
    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
    It was Starmer.

    I was watching Tucker the other night, and although initially he was against the war in Iran he has pivoted quite wildly towards the position of, particularly Starmer's treason, although he isn't happy with Meloni and Sanchez either.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,941

    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
    It was Starmer.

    I was watching Tucker the other night, and although initially he was against the war in Iran he has pivoted quite wildly towards the position of, particularly Starmer's treason, although he isn't happy with Meloni and Sanchez either.
    There’s been loads of tweets recently about Tuckers Luck. Lovely stuff.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089
    FF43 said:

    This is extraordinary. Scott Bessent is called away to the Situation Room in the middle of a TV interview and comes backs gibbering.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3mgzdvlxq2c2a

    There are multiple rumours swirling around X relating to this

    One of them is that Netanyahu is dead. I’ve no idea if it has a shred of truth
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576

    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
    It was Starmer.

    I was watching Tucker the other night, and although initially he was against the war in Iran he has pivoted quite wildly towards the position of, particularly Starmer's treason, although he isn't happy with Meloni and Sanchez either.
    Hang on, didn’t @Woger tell us that Fucker Carlson was talking lots of sense?
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,941
    Fishing said:

    isam said:
    Terrible.

    I doubt I'd have agreed with him on anything whatsoever but a friend recently died from brain cancer and it is an awful way to go.

    RIP.
    No qualification needed.

    He’s a human being.

    Very sad for him and his family and friends.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089
    Jesus. England heading for the wooden spoon
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,852
    Maybe European Nations should agree to the request to send ships to the Middle East, after the US restores sanctions on Russia and supplies sufficient munitions to Ukraine to allow them to win that war...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089
    Research shows me that England have never won the wooden spoon in the 6 Nations. And the last time they won it in the 5 Nations was 1987
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679
    Leon said:

    FF43 said:

    This is extraordinary. Scott Bessent is called away to the Situation Room in the middle of a TV interview and comes backs gibbering.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cwebbonline.com/post/3mgzdvlxq2c2a

    There are multiple rumours swirling around X relating to this

    One of them is that Netanyahu is dead. I’ve no idea if it has a shred of truth
    More like Trump has noticed Scott wasn't wearing the new shoes he bought for him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    nico67 said:

    Trump wants several countries including the UK to send ships to the Strait of Hormuz .

    So having started this disastrous war he’s now expecting others to help clear up the mess .

    It looks like blame shifting, which might be a good sign if so. Who lost Iran? Our allies stabbed us in the back.
    If you don't want your allies to stab you in the back it might be an idea to consult them before you do something really stupid, to be less rude, less arrogant, less Trumpian to sum it all up.
    More accurately, if you want your allies to behave like allies, don’t stab them, repeatedly. In the back, front and sides. While loling about it on Twatter.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,655
    Betting Post

    F1: https://morrisf1.blogspot.com/2026/03/china-2026-pre-race.html

    Found value tricky to come by. Ended up splitting a stake with one third on Stroll, boosted 2.8, to beat Alonso. On pace, ridiculous. With the car retiring partway through the race, eminently possible (happened in Australia). The two-thirds is on under 17.5 classified finishers at 1.83. Not certain, but very credible.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,980
    Which comedian used to end presentations with the phrase "interesting and informative"? I think it's either Partridge, Harry Enfield or Clarkson, but the AIs are useless.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,864
    Leon said:

    Research shows me that England have never won the wooden spoon in the 6 Nations. And the last time they won it in the 5 Nations was 1987

    As bad as we are, I think Wales need to beat Italy by around 50 points and us lose to France by a similar amount for us to end up with the wooden spoon.

    I'm not ruling it out, but it seems a bit of a stretch.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,418

    Battlebus said:

    Iran claiming it has destroyed 5 US refuelling tankers at a base in Saudi.

    Huge if true.

    They have also claimed they have sunk the US aircraft carrier's 87 times in 14 days.
    That's a bit unfortunate for the crew. They must be sick of it.
    HMS Ark Royal has entered the chat - during the early part of WWII, the Germans reported her sunk, quite frequently. The crew kept a tally, IIRC.
    But she did sink in 1942.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,564
    edited 5:05PM
    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,418
    Taz said:

    Fishing said:

    isam said:
    Terrible.

    I doubt I'd have agreed with him on anything whatsoever but a friend recently died from brain cancer and it is an awful way to go.

    RIP.
    No qualification needed.

    He’s a human being.

    Very sad for him and his family and friends.
    He was a excellent MP personable, good communicator, good on TV.

    He made an inexplicable error, paid for it. We'll never know if that was an early sign if the terrible illness that copped hm.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679
    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089
    Ratters said:

    Leon said:

    Research shows me that England have never won the wooden spoon in the 6 Nations. And the last time they won it in the 5 Nations was 1987

    As bad as we are, I think Wales need to beat Italy by around 50 points and us lose to France by a similar amount for us to end up with the wooden spoon.

    I'm not ruling it out, but it seems a bit of a stretch.
    Wales giving it a go….
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,674
    edited 5:15PM

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    Not even with the might of the Royal Navy?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,980
    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,458

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    That tweet also says: The main challenge is that the Iranians are not cooperating at this stage.
    Well, there's a surprise.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,418
    Leon said:

    Ratters said:

    Leon said:

    Research shows me that England have never won the wooden spoon in the 6 Nations. And the last time they won it in the 5 Nations was 1987

    As bad as we are, I think Wales need to beat Italy by around 50 points and us lose to France by a similar amount for us to end up with the wooden spoon.

    I'm not ruling it out, but it seems a bit of a stretch.
    Wales giving it a go….
    Wales for an hour are as good as 3 of the other 6 nations sides, they just need depth.

    Less injuries and another 12 months with more decent u 21s coming thru they'll be back in contention, as long as England don't knock any more
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,583
    edited 5:16PM
    England 100% safe from the wooden spoon.
    Its as likely as the Tories losing Mid Beds and Tamworth on the same day
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,674
    edited 5:18PM
    So. Let me get this 6N correct.
    France scoring four tries draw with England and win the title with three wins ahead of Ireland with four?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679
    dixiedean said:

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    Not even with the might of the Royal Navy?
    I think there is a glitch in the sim and you are stuck in the wrong century.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679

    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    That tweet also says: The main challenge is that the Iranians are not cooperating at this stage.
    Well, there's a surprise.
    Herman Khan noted that enemies have the unpleasant habit of doing the most inconvenient thing, from your point of view.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,852


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    Posted earlier. Iran will sacrifice their 4% if they can continue to block the 20%
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,897
    Scott_xP said:


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    Posted earlier. Iran will sacrifice their 4% if they can continue to block the 20%
    Hitting Iran's facilities will remove any hesitance they have in mining the straights.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I recall the story of Winston Churchill's first cocktail - he was observing the revolution in Cuba against the Spanish (1898). The Spanish column he was with got ambushed. So they ended up in the ditch at the side of the road. The Spanish officer he was with produced a small silver flask and made a drink. So Churchill had his first cocktail in a muddy ditch while the bullets snapped past, overhead.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,564
    SoBe Dubai.

    The Party.

    Be at The Party.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,407
    Buffy the Vampire Slayer sequel not going ahead. Announced by Gellar on Instagram.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,564
    edited 5:39PM

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,139


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    The threat of destroying Iran's oil export capability is a severe one but actually carrying it out will see Hormuz closed forever and a permanent goodbye to the 20% along with the Gulf economies.. The Iranians are perfectly aware of this.

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,980
    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I did. I will now commit pedantic hari-kiri. But it will require the correct sword...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    Which answers the question of who pays. But someone needs to order.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089
    dixiedean said:

    So. Let me get this 6N correct.
    France scoring four tries draw with England and win the title with three wins ahead of Ireland with four?

    Yes, it's bonkers

    There was a good Telegraph article about it. And there's an easy remedy:

    "In France and Super Rugby, the earning of bonus points is slightly different: a team must score three tries more than the opposition, rather than just simply scoring four times. That system is comprehensively superior to the incumbent; incidentally, the Prem, Champions Cup, and upcoming Nations Championship should be adopting it, too."
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,505

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I recall the story of Winston Churchill's first cocktail - he was observing the revolution in Cuba against the Spanish (1898). The Spanish column he was with got ambushed. So they ended up in the ditch at the side of the road. The Spanish officer he was with produced a small silver flask and made a drink. So Churchill had his first cocktail in a muddy ditch while the bullets snapped past, overhead.
    Ah hem, 1895.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I did. I will now commit pedantic hari-kiri. But it will require the correct sword...
    ko-wakizashi ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,534

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    Which answers the question of who pays. But someone needs to order.
    Also the minor issue of getting there and back...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I recall the story of Winston Churchill's first cocktail - he was observing the revolution in Cuba against the Spanish (1898). The Spanish column he was with got ambushed. So they ended up in the ditch at the side of the road. The Spanish officer he was with produced a small silver flask and made a drink. So Churchill had his first cocktail in a muddy ditch while the bullets snapped past, overhead.
    Ah hem, 1895.
    My apologies. I have my 20th wedding anniversary do to go to - after that I will conquer Cuba to make up for the above mistake.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,418
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    "Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails!"
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,980
    dixiedean said:

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    Not even with the might of the Royal Navy?
    Unfortunately, in this context "might" means "Well we might turn up, I dunno. Will next Wednesday do? It's just that we have a bit of a deficit on the ship front..."
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,564
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    Which answers the question of who pays. But someone needs to order.
    Also the minor issue of getting there and back...
    The Wright Brothers solved that problem more than a century ago. ✈️
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,980

    Buffy the Vampire Slayer sequel not going ahead. Announced by Gellar on Instagram.

    DAMMIT!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,074

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    So regime change is the solution? 😎
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,576

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    "Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails!"
    Just realised the entire RAF will turn up in Dubai, shortly. No way they will pass on cheap 5 star hotels and free cocktails.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,674
    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Let me get this 6N correct.
    France scoring four tries draw with England and win the title with three wins ahead of Ireland with four?

    Yes, it's bonkers

    There was a good Telegraph article about it. And there's an easy remedy:

    "In France and Super Rugby, the earning of bonus points is slightly different: a team must score three tries more than the opposition, rather than just simply scoring four times. That system is comprehensively superior to the incumbent; incidentally, the Prem, Champions Cup, and upcoming Nations Championship should be adopting it, too."
    An easier remedy would be two points for a win and one for a draw.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 8,465
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I did. I will now commit pedantic hari-kiri. But it will require the correct sword...
    Sward. A romantic setting is required. Just ask Lupe Vélez.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,131


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    "If they threaten the world oil supply, I will co-operate in that endeavour."

    Why Trump assumes that destroying Iran's infrastructure will magically reopen the strait is an exercise for the reader.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,852
    How well is the war that the US won two weeks ago going today?

    @_GlobeObserver

    🚨 BREAKING: Trump calls on U.S. media to stop reporting on damage and losses caused by Iran, saying it harms the United States.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,852
    Nigelb said:


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    "If they threaten the world oil supply, I will co-operate in that endeavour."

    Why Trump assumes that destroying Iran's infrastructure will magically reopen the strait is an exercise for the reader.
    He's not very sharp
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,848

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    "Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails!"
    Just realised the entire RAF will turn up in Dubai, shortly. No way they will pass on cheap 5 star hotels and free cocktails.
    The old joke told to me by a retired RAF Squadron Leader.

    All three services have an affinity with the stars

    The Army sleep under the stars
    The Navy navigate by the stars
    And the RAF use stars to decide which hotel to stay in.
    So that's what they meant by per ardua ad astra.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436
    Wales had their Weetabix this morning.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,139

    As long as the current regime in Iran remains in power, the Strait of Hormuz is unlikely to reopen.

    https://x.com/citrinowicz/status/2032841719096520813

    So regime change is the solution? 😎
    I think so. If Trump goes, sanity might return.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,609
    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    The best view in town of the missile that will take you out...

    (Fingers crossed not, eh?)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 87,131
    Scott_xP said:

    How well is the war that the US won two weeks ago going today?

    @_GlobeObserver

    🚨 BREAKING: Trump calls on U.S. media to stop reporting on damage and losses caused by Iran, saying it harms the United States.

    He got so used to lying working for him, he thinks it can solve his military problem.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,609
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Let me get this 6N correct.
    France scoring four tries draw with England and win the title with three wins ahead of Ireland with four?

    Yes, it's bonkers

    There was a good Telegraph article about it. And there's an easy remedy:

    "In France and Super Rugby, the earning of bonus points is slightly different: a team must score three tries more than the opposition, rather than just simply scoring four times. That system is comprehensively superior to the incumbent; incidentally, the Prem, Champions Cup, and upcoming Nations Championship should be adopting it, too."
    An easier remedy would be two points for a win and one for a draw.
    Could we not just expel France?
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,745
    Have to say that Boris's erstwhile aide Thomas Corbett-Dillon completely passed me by. Who or what the hell is he?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,679

    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,676
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I did. I will now commit pedantic hari-kiri. But it will require the correct sword...
    Leon believes the world will end in nuclear Armageddon. All that will be left in the aftermath will be cockroaches and the PD grammar police.
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,941
    More Shitaly than Italy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    Maybe we could send Boaty McBoatface at least for the LOLs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 67,089


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    I find this hard to believe
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,139


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    We did send Mandelson, however
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436
    edited 6:02PM
    FF43 said:


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    We did send Mandelson, however
    As he is free to travel again, maybe we could make him UK Ambassador to Iran and see if he can help?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,852
    Leon said:


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    I find this hard to believe
    France announced they were sending ships days ago
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 16,790

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    Some fools argue over whether the glass is half empty or half full.

    I say both are wrong.

    The sensible *question* is "Whose round is it?"
    It’s a free bar!

    Come to Dubai for the all-inclusive deals!
    "Head back to base for debriefing and cocktails!"
    Just realised the entire RAF will turn up in Dubai, shortly. No way they will pass on cheap 5 star hotels and free cocktails.
    The old joke told to me by a retired RAF Squadron Leader.

    All three services have an affinity with the stars

    The Army sleep under the stars
    The Navy navigate by the stars
    And the RAF use stars to decide which hotel to stay in.

    They throw in Drummer Hodge, to rest
    Uncoffined—just as found:
    His landmark is a kopje-crest
    That breaks the veldt around;
    And foreign constellations west
    Each night above his mound.

    Young Hodge the Drummer never knew—
    Fresh from his Wessex home—
    The meaning of the broad Karoo,
    The Bush, the dusty loam,
    And why uprose to nightly view
    Strange stars amid the gloam.

    Yet portion of that unknown plain
    Will Hodge for ever be;
    His homely Northern breast and brain
    Grow up a Southern tree,
    And strange-eyed constellations reign
    His stars eternally.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,864
    Nigelb said:


    Miad Maleki
    @miadmaleki

    11/11 President Trump's message was unmistakable: "Should Iran, or anyone else, do anything to interfere with the Free and Safe Passage of Ships through the Strait of Hormuz, I will immediately reconsider" sparing the oil infrastructure. Iran's 3-4% of global supply is dispensable. The 20% [of global oil] flowing through Hormuz is not. That's the calculus behind every strike on Kharg.

    https://x.com/miadmaleki/status/2032609394593014242

    "If they threaten the world oil supply, I will co-operate in that endeavour."

    Why Trump assumes that destroying Iran's infrastructure will magically reopen the strait is an exercise for the reader.
    I mean, if anything it encourages them to keep it closed for longer as they aren't able to export oil so down with everyone.

    I'm starting to think Trump is not the master tactician we thought he was...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 58,418
    Battlebus said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Bad news for the Dubai doomsayers,

    Saturday night, rooftop bar, totally packed and we woun’t have got a table if we weren’t guests in house.

    Time Out best rooftop bar last year.

    https://maps.app.goo.gl/cBLZeyuaoYRBYLGr9?g_st=ic

    So much NOOM, the love of having a party at a time of war.

    Whilst you have gone up in my estimation for staying in the sandpit and not running back home at taxpayer expense and complaining (so well done you), I can't help thinking that "at a time of war" usually involves more blood and rubble and less cocktails...

    😎
    Did you mean *fewer* cocktails?

    🍸
    I did. I will now commit pedantic hari-kiri. But it will require the correct sword...
    Leon believes the world will end in nuclear Armageddon. All that will be left in the aftermath will be cockroaches and the PD grammar police.
    PB.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,418


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter

    BREAKING: France is sending 10 warships to the Strait of Hormuz after President Trump called on countries to join the US Navy in attempting to reopen the key passage.

    The UK has declined to deploy an aircraft carrier.

    Maybe we could send Boaty McBoatface at least for the LOLs.
    Send Bibby Stockholm

    Put the Israeli Cabinet and remaining Ayotollahs, Trump and his cabal on it and Putin

    Set it aflost

    Bomb the fuck out of it

    World peace
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,062
    edited 6:12PM
    Taz said:

    More Shitaly than Italy.

    Wales should forfeit the game for dropping a goal. For that crime they should be replaced by Georgia in the 2027 Six Nations. I really really hate drop goals.

    Historically Wales used to run the tries rather than drop goals. Phil Bennett, Jiffy or Gareth Edwards wouldn't be dropping goals. Cease and desist!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,436
    edited 6:15PM
    'They know where I am' - Harry Redknapp talking about possible return to manage Spurs

    Nico Krancjer, Crouchy, Hermann Hreiðarsson, get your boots on.
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