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Will Boris Johnson join Reform? – politicalbetting.com

Ladbrokes have a market on whether Boris Johnson will join Reform by the next general election. I cannot see Boris Johnson wanting to join, nor can I see Nigel Farage accepting him given his inability to work well with others,and of course there’s the issue of the Boriswave which cause problems for Reform.

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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,831
    edited 3:05AM
    Those Ferrari starts....
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 27,975
    It would be interesting if he did, in the "supernova going off next door" sense of interesting. But surely Boris is not that stupid?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,853
    First post remaining after VAR rules @TheScreamingEagles offside
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,927
    I can't see why he would want to, unless publicity value or maybe a source of articles.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 556
    F1 buffs

    What are the chances of new events being scheduled to replace the Bahrain and Saudi GPs, should they be postponed, is it too short notice to arrange a new race? I can imagine there will be a lot of lost revenue over this

    Also, sort of on topic of former PMs, Mr Starmer only has a couple of days or so to beat Rishis total term in office
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071
    DoctorG said:

    F1 buffs

    What are the chances of new events being scheduled to replace the Bahrain and Saudi GPs, should they be postponed, is it too short notice to arrange a new race? I can imagine there will be a lot of lost revenue over this

    Bahrain & Saudi Arabia Grands Prix to be cancelled https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c875vw1lwjzo

    That should answer your questions.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746
    I'd take it if it were 1/3 but not 1/5
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,320
    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,729
    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    She was a bad judge, in very sense of that phrase.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,652
    Good morning, everyone,

    F1: Red Bull need to try and alter their setup rather a lot. Unable to pass midfielders on old tyres is not impressive.

    Ferrari can fight Mercedes wheel-to-wheel but not on raw race pace. If they had smart strategy it might be doable. But they are Ferrari, so...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057
    edited 6:40AM
    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical?" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical?" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,652

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,533
    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057
    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    How does one get to meet new and nubile "fillies" by writing garbage opinion pieces from behind a laptop on the kitchen table? Joining Reform might give one the opportunity to meet Bonnie Blue. Ding dong!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,846

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
    Besides- the free market selling price of everything is as much as the seller can get away with. Always has been, that's how the system is meant to work. The only question is what mechanisms stop that price being all but infinite.

    (Same as the free market buying price of a thing is the lowest the seller can be persuaded/forced to swallow. Those two things don't have to overlap, but when they do, wonderful things can happen.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
    Besides- the free market selling price of everything is as much as the seller can get away with. Always has been, that's how the system is meant to work. The only question is what mechanisms stop that price being all but infinite.

    (Same as the free market buying price of a thing is the lowest the seller can be persuaded/forced to swallow. Those two things don't have to overlap, but when they do, wonderful things can happen.)
    Well yes, supply and demand enters the picture. One man's profiteering is another man's sound economics.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,670

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    How does one get to meet new and nubile "fillies" by writing garbage opinion pieces from behind a laptop on the kitchen table? Joining Reform might give one the opportunity to meet Bonnie Blue. Ding dong!
    I believe there's already an Online application form for that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    How does one get to meet new and nubile "fillies" by writing garbage opinion pieces from behind a laptop on the kitchen table? Joining Reform might give one the opportunity to meet Bonnie Blue. Ding dong!
    I believe there's already an Online application form for that.
    Hasn't that ship sailed until the next Guinness World Record attempt?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,831
    edited 7:10AM
    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057

    I have just received an advert for a holiday villas company in Dubai extolling the virtue of week to week rental agreements so I can change my plans at a moment‘s notice.

    One has to admire their chutzpah

    A fantastic opportunity. I was only banging on about supply and demand fluctuations a moment ago. Best to get that home insurance sorted before you sign on the dotted line.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,844
    Overnight, the US continued to sustain losses in the war it won 2 weeks ago...

    The Mad King seems determined to keep the oil price high and force Iran to mine the strait

    Meanwhile the most accurate review of Whiskey Pete thus far

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone speak in a way that so perfectly captures what a sentient penis would sound like. Hegseth is just unrelenting cystic cock. Roided id in the shape of a sad drunk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3mgylpqdowc2s
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 31,670

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    Churchill was, however, a great man.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,533
    dixiedean said:

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    Churchill was, however, a great man.
    Nah, just a support act for a badger.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    He is right. There is very considerable unfinished business from his time as PM.

    When he enters a plea before a judge, has a fair trial and is sentenced, we'll all have closure.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,998

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    Who is to blame for Boris Johnson? His dad? Eton College? Oxford University? God? Why do we have to be living in the version of the universe that contains him?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 38,057

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    There is also Donald Trump as his "unfinished business" second term role model.

    And Trump 47 seems to be working just fine.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,998
    Scott_xP said:

    Overnight, the US continued to sustain losses in the war it won 2 weeks ago...

    The Mad King seems determined to keep the oil price high and force Iran to mine the strait

    Meanwhile the most accurate review of Whiskey Pete thus far

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone speak in a way that so perfectly captures what a sentient penis would sound like. Hegseth is just unrelenting cystic cock. Roided id in the shape of a sad drunk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3mgylpqdowc2s

    I feel that this is unfair to penises.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,403
    “Reports from southern Lebanon say that more targets not directly related to Hezbollah have been hit in Israeli airstrikes.

    “The Lebanese health ministry said that at least 12 medics, including doctors and nurses were killed in the town of Burj Qalawiya when the town's primary healthcare centre was hit overnight.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg1w1jp8kjt?post=asset:6a12ebf1-07c2-44cf-818c-9b9a70eefe96#post
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,413

    “Reports from southern Lebanon say that more targets not directly related to Hezbollah have been hit in Israeli airstrikes.

    “The Lebanese health ministry said that at least 12 medics, including doctors and nurses were killed in the town of Burj Qalawiya when the town's primary healthcare centre was hit overnight.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg1w1jp8kjt?post=asset:6a12ebf1-07c2-44cf-818c-9b9a70eefe96#post

    Zionist Mass Murder continues targetting medics, sound familiar?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071
    Fun fact - since we gained a truly mass franchise in 1885,* only six PMs have served more than one spell in office:

    Gladstone (1886, 1892-94)
    Salisbury (1885-86, 1886-92, 1895-1902)
    Baldwin (1923-24, 1924-29 and 1935-37)
    McDonald (1924, 1929-31, 1931-35)
    Churchill (1940-45, 1945, 1951-55)
    Wilson (1964-70, 1974-76).

    *NB Gladstone also had two terms before the Act.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,281

    “Reports from southern Lebanon say that more targets not directly related to Hezbollah have been hit in Israeli airstrikes.

    “The Lebanese health ministry said that at least 12 medics, including doctors and nurses were killed in the town of Burj Qalawiya when the town's primary healthcare centre was hit overnight.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg1w1jp8kjt?post=asset:6a12ebf1-07c2-44cf-818c-9b9a70eefe96#post

    It’s Gaza again . We hear the same lies from the IDF.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,403
    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I think it’s more likely that he wants to find bliss with the domestic.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,413

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    There is also Donald Trump as his "unfinished business" second term role model.

    And Trump 47 seems to be working just fine.
    When the Tories are languishing 4th o 5th in the Polls in 18 months time, regretting not switching to Cleverly in summer 2026, and signs that a centre left alliance of Labour / LD / Green is going to carve up over 400 seats between them and relegate Reform to main opposition Party ad Tories to 30-40 seats, there will only be one option left to them.

    Boris may not get on with Farage but many Reform voters would find him palatable and it's not hard to visualise a Mail / Express / GB News campaign to GET BORIS BACK to save the Tories and the Right!

    Will he join Reform = never!
    Will he rejoin Tory push and lead again = never say never !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595
    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,846
    edited 7:32AM

    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    I have heard anecdotally from those who Boris Johnson well that he considers being Prime Minister unfinished business.

    He thinks he was unfairly oustsed and the counry and world needs him.

    Like Winston Churchill he considers this wilderness years, Winnie also had two separate stints as PM, he's still younger than when Winnie first became PM.

    Boris also hates it when friends of Dave remind him that Dave (pbuh) was PM for twice as long as Boris.

    Also, Churchill also defected from the Tories.
    Though, as with Truss, some of that is surely mental self-care.

    The alternative to thinking that he was unfairly and temporarily ousted is for BoJo to acknowledge that he was the author of his own downfall.

    You probably have to be a bit vain to be an effective PM (it's part of Starmer's and Sunak's problem), but it's a bit like the peacock's tail; selection pressures can turn something cool into something absurd.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,413
    ydoethur said:

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    She was a bad judge, in very sense of that phrase.
    She is, was and always will be just an awful person!

    Sarah Brown on the other hand, a polar opposite and never given credit she deserves.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    That would be a terrible tragedy.

    For the other lifers in whatever prison he ended up in.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,403

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595
    Scott_xP said:

    Overnight, the US continued to sustain losses in the war it won 2 weeks ago...

    The Mad King seems determined to keep the oil price high and force Iran to mine the strait

    Meanwhile the most accurate review of Whiskey Pete thus far

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone speak in a way that so perfectly captures what a sentient penis would sound like. Hegseth is just unrelenting cystic cock. Roided id in the shape of a sad drunk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3mgylpqdowc2s

    This was a spot on comment beneath:

    "Hegseth is the American Medvedv and they share alcoholism as a common trait among others"
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    How many actually were there?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 54,563
    Aside from all the twat-specific issues in relation to Johnson, it's almost a general principle that British politics, especially in the modern era, almost never gives out second chances.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,846
    ydoethur said:

    Fun fact - since we gained a truly mass franchise in 1885,* only six PMs have served more than one spell in office:

    Gladstone (1886, 1892-94)
    Salisbury (1885-86, 1886-92, 1895-1902)
    Baldwin (1923-24, 1924-29 and 1935-37)
    McDonald (1924, 1929-31, 1931-35)
    Churchill (1940-45, 1945, 1951-55)
    Wilson (1964-70, 1974-76).

    *NB Gladstone also had two terms before the Act.

    And the last LotO to lose, stay on, and still become PM later was Heath, wasn't it?

    As a society, we're much more inclined to cast into the outer darkness; I'm fairly confident that one of Corbyn's problems was that the people had already rejected him in 2017 and we don't like being ignored like that.

    I'm not sure that that dynamic is a good thing for the good governance of the nation.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,549
    'The Naked Week' Good sattire. ".....So Donald went to war based on advice from former Fox News presenter an estate agent and his son- in- law"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002sg68

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,831
    edited 7:49AM

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
    Opposite attracts but watching the recent documentary it is clear they love each other and if events had turned out differently she would have become the politician and Tony the judge.

    Anyhoo here's the full Cherie Blair quite, where she doesn't use the word sorry.

    “I feel very sad that it’s come to this,” she said. “I think … when anyone’s life falls apart, we should remember that there’s still a human being. And also, of course, we should also remember that they’re entitled to a fair trial.”

    She added: “In the media, and particularly today with social media, too many people forget that the people that they’re talking about are human beings with feelings and can be hurt.”
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746
    Scott_xP said:

    Overnight, the US continued to sustain losses in the war it won 2 weeks ago...

    The Mad King seems determined to keep the oil price high and force Iran to mine the strait

    Meanwhile the most accurate review of Whiskey Pete thus far

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone speak in a way that so perfectly captures what a sentient penis would sound like. Hegseth is just unrelenting cystic cock. Roided id in the shape of a sad drunk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3mgylpqdowc2s

    I feel I'm really missing out on this cutting-edge analysis by not having a bsky account.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
    They have a shared love of money
  • TazTaz Posts: 25,927
    nico67 said:

    “Reports from southern Lebanon say that more targets not directly related to Hezbollah have been hit in Israeli airstrikes.

    “The Lebanese health ministry said that at least 12 medics, including doctors and nurses were killed in the town of Burj Qalawiya when the town's primary healthcare centre was hit overnight.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg1w1jp8kjt?post=asset:6a12ebf1-07c2-44cf-818c-9b9a70eefe96#post

    It’s Gaza again . We hear the same lies from the IDF.

    ‘ BREAKING: Israel is planning to seize the entire area south of Lebanon's Litani River in a massive ground invasion, Israeli and U.S. officials say - Axios’


    https://x.com/faytuks/status/2032610928403865638?s=61
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,844

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    It leaves Iran with nowhere to go except sink every ship they possibly can, which I am sure is exactly the outcome Donny boy was aiming for...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,281
    edited 7:50AM
    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    ydoethur said:

    Fun fact - since we gained a truly mass franchise in 1885,* only six PMs have served more than one spell in office:

    Gladstone (1886, 1892-94)
    Salisbury (1885-86, 1886-92, 1895-1902)
    Baldwin (1923-24, 1924-29 and 1935-37)
    McDonald (1924, 1929-31, 1931-35)
    Churchill (1940-45, 1945, 1951-55)
    Wilson (1964-70, 1974-76).

    *NB Gladstone also had two terms before the Act.

    And the last LotO to lose, stay on, and still become PM later was Heath, wasn't it?

    As a society, we're much more inclined to cast into the outer darkness; I'm fairly confident that one of Corbyn's problems was that the people had already rejected him in 2017 and we don't like being ignored like that.

    I'm not sure that that dynamic is a good thing for the good governance of the nation.
    Yes. However, I should point out the one before that was Attlee under extremely unusual circumstances, before that it was Campbell-Bannerman, and before that, remarkably, it was Derby. It's not actually been that common for LOTO who fail to continue and achieve later success. Perhaps Gaitskell would have bucked the trend and perhaps not.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    It leaves Iran with nowhere to go except sink every ship they possibly can, which I am sure is exactly the outcome Donny boy was aiming for...
    That will keep the Epstein files off the front pages for quite some time.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
    21 March is the Persian New Year when traditionally bonuses are paid.

    2026 might be a lean year - no cash no banking system
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071
    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    And whats wrong with that ?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 78,071

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    And whats wrong with that ?
    It does rather beg the question of why if they're happy to steal oil from the Iranians they are willing to pay the Russians for it rather than just seizing it.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,281
    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    Yes that seems a good conclusion . If the US can land there and take the facility then if Iran attacks they can end up destroying their own main export terminal.

    Of course I’m doing logic here which might not happen !
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    And whats wrong with that ?
    It does rather beg the question of why if they're happy to steal oil from the Iranians they are willing to pay the Russians for it rather than just seizing it.
    They havent seized it yet, that will take time. I dont like the Russian stuff any more than you do but European countries have screwed up their energy policies so the oil price suffers. The interesting point will be if China and India pressuriise Iran to let their oil through Hormuz, If so the oil price will drop.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,596
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    “Reports from southern Lebanon say that more targets not directly related to Hezbollah have been hit in Israeli airstrikes.

    “The Lebanese health ministry said that at least 12 medics, including doctors and nurses were killed in the town of Burj Qalawiya when the town's primary healthcare centre was hit overnight.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg1w1jp8kjt?post=asset:6a12ebf1-07c2-44cf-818c-9b9a70eefe96#post

    It’s Gaza again . We hear the same lies from the IDF.

    ‘ BREAKING: Israel is planning to seize the entire area south of Lebanon's Litani River in a massive ground invasion, Israeli and U.S. officials say - Axios’


    https://x.com/faytuks/status/2032610928403865638?s=61
    Welcome to 1978, 1982.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,549
    Scott_xP said:

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    It leaves Iran with nowhere to go except sink every ship they possibly can, which I am sure is exactly the outcome Donny boy was aiming for...
    Looks likeb their ambitions might be bigger than that.....

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KlS3gISUU3s
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,066

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 2,671
    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    2 more ships going through today. Possibly Chinese. Wonder what Xi would do if Kharg goes up? It must be apparent now that Venezuela and Iran are simply stepping stones to cutting China off at the knees.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,853
    Scott_xP said:

    Overnight, the US continued to sustain losses in the war it won 2 weeks ago...

    The Mad King seems determined to keep the oil price high and force Iran to mine the strait

    Meanwhile the most accurate review of Whiskey Pete thus far

    @slothropsmap.bsky.social‬

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone speak in a way that so perfectly captures what a sentient penis would sound like. Hegseth is just unrelenting cystic cock. Roided id in the shape of a sad drunk.

    https://bsky.app/profile/slothropsmap.bsky.social/post/3mgylpqdowc2s

    I’m don’t know what a “cystic cock roided id” is

    I’m not sure I want to…
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,796
    Dura_Ace said:

    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.

    Morning all. I was reflecting on this over the last few days. Not Boris going fukker (though joining a party which describes his primary hobby would be fun), the need for Reform to have capable people.

    So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed. We have seen in Reform councils how these people come a cropper when the rhetoric of "all the money is wasted on woke" splats against reality. They have no ideas other than bad ones based on fantasy, so actually turning things around becomes difficult.

    Who are the people being lined up as fukker candidates for Westminster? The mad, bad and dispossessed. Should we be unlucky enough to have these fukkers in government, the only ones capable of doing anything are the ones who have already proven themselves to be unfit and incapable.

    Which leaves the Lords. So far we have a former handmaid leading the party in Scotland as the highest profile. Is the intention to attract people from industry? Lets be honest, they'll be spivs won't they?

    So back to Boris. Why on earth would he want to join that?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    I can't take Kharg seriously.

    It sounds too much like Klingon.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 32,596
    ydoethur said:

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    How many actually were there?
    That's what they also said about the Iranian Navy, yet their world-bestriding navy still won't escort a single convoy through the Hormuz.

    What basis is there for believing a word Trump or his bootlickers say?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216

    Dura_Ace said:

    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.

    Morning all. I was reflecting on this over the last few days. Not Boris going fukker (though joining a party which describes his primary hobby would be fun), the need for Reform to have capable people.

    So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed. We have seen in Reform councils how these people come a cropper when the rhetoric of "all the money is wasted on woke" splats against reality. They have no ideas other than bad ones based on fantasy, so actually turning things around becomes difficult.

    Who are the people being lined up as fukker candidates for Westminster? The mad, bad and dispossessed. Should we be unlucky enough to have these fukkers in government, the only ones capable of doing anything are the ones who have already proven themselves to be unfit and incapable.

    Which leaves the Lords. So far we have a former handmaid leading the party in Scotland as the highest profile. Is the intention to attract people from industry? Lets be honest, they'll be spivs won't they?

    So back to Boris. Why on earth would he want to join that?
    "So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed."

    They have parked their tanks on the LibDems lawn
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 24,706
    More chance of Bozo featuring in the photo display outside a Turkish barber than joining Reform.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    Theres a landing strip and control tower with radar. Presumably a small garrison. A little naval base. Maybe a big shed full of sea mines?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,853

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    You would have thought having grounds troops closer than 2 weeks away would have been a good plan
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    How many actually were there?
    That's what they also said about the Iranian Navy, yet their world-bestriding navy still won't escort a single convoy through the Hormuz.

    What basis is there for believing a word Trump or his bootlickers say?
    Maybe we should get the Royal Navy to fill the gap.

    Oh wait......
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,853
    Brixian59 said:

    ydoethur said:

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    She was a bad judge, in very sense of that phrase.
    She is, was and always will be just an awful person!

    Sarah Brown on the other hand, a polar opposite and never given credit she deserves.
    That may be the first post of yours that I have agreed with…
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,652
    edited 8:10AM
    F1: hmm. Antonelli 2.9 for the win on Betfair. Worth considering. Edit: scratch that, 3.1.

    Major downside is he starts terribly, or seems to this year.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595
    Roger said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    It leaves Iran with nowhere to go except sink every ship they possibly can, which I am sure is exactly the outcome Donny boy was aiming for...
    Looks likeb their ambitions might be bigger than that.....

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KlS3gISUU3s
    Mebbe the Settlers would like some nice Lebanese real estate now?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,701

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
    Besides- the free market selling price of everything is as much as the seller can get away with. Always has been, that's how the system is meant to work. The only question is what mechanisms stop that price being all but infinite.

    (Same as the free market buying price of a thing is the lowest the seller can be persuaded/forced to swallow. Those two things don't have to overlap, but when they do, wonderful things can happen.)
    Well yes, supply and demand enters the picture. One man's profiteering is another man's sound economics.
    It's not quite as simple as that - it's long been known that competition in this sector is rather weak. There's considerable market power and the CMA has been investigating it for some time. In that case profiteering is sound economics.

    This is one of those topics where PB is out of touch with public sentiment - just check out the comments on the BBC article. And blaming the government for abusive behaviour from some motorists to retail staff is just...mad.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,134
    edited 8:11AM
    The person who REALLY leads Reform:

    Crypto billionaire Christopher Harborne no longer interested in Reform-Tory pact

    The Thailand-based cryptocurrency investor had previously wanted Farage to keep an open mind about a pact between the two parties, the same sources added.

    This position has changed, however. Harborne said in an emailed statement: “In the past this was possibly the case, but it is no longer the case.”

    He also said he believed that “cryptocurrency should be regulated in the UK”.

    Farage has been vocal in advocating for wider adoption of cryptocurrency in Britain, including at a meeting with the governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, last year. He said the central bank was “moving a little too slowly” on the matter.

    Reform has promised to turn the UK into a “premier hub” for cryptocurrency and to slash capital gains on it to 10% from the basic rate of 18% or the higher rate of 24%.

    Harborne told the Guardian Farage was “correct” in saying that he had asked for nothing in return for his donations.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/06/crypto-billionaire-christopher-harborne-reform-tory-election-pact
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,533
    I am sure that Johnson fancies his comeback after the fiasco of Badenoch taking the Tories below 100 seats for the first time and the collapse of Farage's Premiership.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
    Opposite attracts but watching the recent documentary it is clear they love each other and if events had turned out differently she would have become the politician and Tony the judge.

    Anyhoo here's the full Cherie Blair quite, where she doesn't use the word sorry.

    “I feel very sad that it’s come to this,” she said. “I think … when anyone’s life falls apart, we should remember that there’s still a human being. And also, of course, we should also remember that they’re entitled to a fair trial.”

    She added: “In the media, and particularly today with social media, too many people forget that the people that they’re talking about are human beings with feelings and can be hurt.”
    Tony would have become an actor or a rock musician.

    I suspect the tragic early death of his mother has something to do with it.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 12,853

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
    Opposite attracts but watching the recent documentary it is clear they love each other and if events had turned out differently she would have become the politician and Tony the judge.

    Anyhoo here's the full Cherie Blair quite, where she doesn't use the word sorry.

    “I feel very sad that it’s come to this,” she said. “I think … when anyone’s life falls apart, we should remember that there’s still a human being. And also, of course, we should also remember that they’re entitled to a fair trial.”

    She added: “In the media, and particularly today with social media, too many people forget that the people that they’re talking about are human beings with feelings and can be hurt.”
    That’s actually quite a fair comment
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 126,831

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    I can't take Kharg seriously.

    It sounds too much like Klingon.
    I think Kharg was the governor of Rura Penthe.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,457
    Foxy said:

    Whats the evidence that Johnson wants anything more than family time of domestic bliss and child rearing?

    Pretty much every aspect of his personal biography?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595
    edited 8:13AM

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    And whats wrong with that ?
    It does rather beg the question of why if they're happy to steal oil from the Iranians they are willing to pay the Russians for it rather than just seizing it.
    They havent seized it yet, that will take time. I dont like the Russian stuff any more than you do but European countries have screwed up their energy policies so the oil price suffers. The interesting point will be if China and India pressuriise Iran to let their oil through Hormuz, If so the oil price will drop.
    It's an obvious move for Xi to get his - but only his - oil through the Straits of Hormuz.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    You would have thought having grounds troops closer than 2 weeks away would have been a good plan
    And then if those troops were getting hammered by missiles youd be moaning who put troops there to get killed ?

    What if the aim is to seriously degrade Irans capabilities and then pick off things at their leisure ?

  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 31,796

    Dura_Ace said:

    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.

    Morning all. I was reflecting on this over the last few days. Not Boris going fukker (though joining a party which describes his primary hobby would be fun), the need for Reform to have capable people.

    So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed. We have seen in Reform councils how these people come a cropper when the rhetoric of "all the money is wasted on woke" splats against reality. They have no ideas other than bad ones based on fantasy, so actually turning things around becomes difficult.

    Who are the people being lined up as fukker candidates for Westminster? The mad, bad and dispossessed. Should we be unlucky enough to have these fukkers in government, the only ones capable of doing anything are the ones who have already proven themselves to be unfit and incapable.

    Which leaves the Lords. So far we have a former handmaid leading the party in Scotland as the highest profile. Is the intention to attract people from industry? Lets be honest, they'll be spivs won't they?

    So back to Boris. Why on earth would he want to join that?
    "So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed."

    They have parked their tanks on the LibDems lawn
    Bless
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
    Eabhal said:

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
    Besides- the free market selling price of everything is as much as the seller can get away with. Always has been, that's how the system is meant to work. The only question is what mechanisms stop that price being all but infinite.

    (Same as the free market buying price of a thing is the lowest the seller can be persuaded/forced to swallow. Those two things don't have to overlap, but when they do, wonderful things can happen.)
    Well yes, supply and demand enters the picture. One man's profiteering is another man's sound economics.
    It's not quite as simple as that - it's long been known that competition in this sector is rather weak. There's considerable market power and the CMA has been investigating it for some time. In that case profiteering is sound economics.

    This is one of those topics where PB is out of touch with public sentiment - just check out the comments on the BBC article. And blaming the government for abusive behaviour from some motorists to retail staff is just...mad.
    Public sentiment is they dont like high energy prices.

    Milibands policy of raining prices will bite Labour in the arse.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216

    Dura_Ace said:

    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.

    Morning all. I was reflecting on this over the last few days. Not Boris going fukker (though joining a party which describes his primary hobby would be fun), the need for Reform to have capable people.

    So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed. We have seen in Reform councils how these people come a cropper when the rhetoric of "all the money is wasted on woke" splats against reality. They have no ideas other than bad ones based on fantasy, so actually turning things around becomes difficult.

    Who are the people being lined up as fukker candidates for Westminster? The mad, bad and dispossessed. Should we be unlucky enough to have these fukkers in government, the only ones capable of doing anything are the ones who have already proven themselves to be unfit and incapable.

    Which leaves the Lords. So far we have a former handmaid leading the party in Scotland as the highest profile. Is the intention to attract people from industry? Lets be honest, they'll be spivs won't they?

    So back to Boris. Why on earth would he want to join that?
    "So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed."

    They have parked their tanks on the LibDems lawn
    Bless
    Pax vobiscum
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,595

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    I can't take Kharg seriously.

    It sounds too much like Klingon.
    Or - lazy script writers just plundered Farsi for "Klingon"?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 61,557

    In the Times this morning Cherie Blair says she feels sorry for Mandelson.
    Words fail me.

    I've never been quite sure why Cherie and Tony married.

    From a far, they seem very different people to me.
    Opposite attracts but watching the recent documentary it is clear they love each other and if events had turned out differently she would have become the politician and Tony the judge.

    Anyhoo here's the full Cherie Blair quite, where she doesn't use the word sorry.

    “I feel very sad that it’s come to this,” she said. “I think … when anyone’s life falls apart, we should remember that there’s still a human being. And also, of course, we should also remember that they’re entitled to a fair trial.”

    She added: “In the media, and particularly today with social media, too many people forget that the people that they’re talking about are human beings with feelings and can be hurt.”
    And so it begins - the rehabilitation of Peter.

    Because that's how his fellow NU10Kers see him. as One of Them. To be supported through his Tough Time. "I know it's a bit soon, but could we promise him, at least, that we will find him a place on the board of the charity? It will mean so much to him after losing his holiday in the Caribbean."

    The best bit is the lack of awareness that he was certainly selling secrets when in the Blair government.

    In the brilliant documentary, Sour Grapes, a character referred to as Hollywood Jeff (tells us how Rudy Kurniawan (the notorious wine forger) was a friend and there was no way that the wines that Ray sold him (as a mate) were anything but AOK. So he takes one to a tasting...
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 65,746

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    I can't take Kharg seriously.

    It sounds too much like Klingon.
    Or - lazy script writers just plundered Farsi for "Klingon"?
    Please don't ruin it for me.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,216
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    nico67 said:

    Leaving the oil infrastructure in place on Kharg island .

    Was this primarily so as not to cause a further spike in oil prices ? Or was it so the US can use it as a bargaining chip later?

    More likely so they can nick the oil.
    And whats wrong with that ?
    It does rather beg the question of why if they're happy to steal oil from the Iranians they are willing to pay the Russians for it rather than just seizing it.
    They havent seized it yet, that will take time. I dont like the Russian stuff any more than you do but European countries have screwed up their energy policies so the oil price suffers. The interesting point will be if China and India pressuriise Iran to let their oil through Hormuz, If so the oil price will drop.
    It's an obvious move for Xi to get his - but only his - oil through the Straits of Hormuz.
    He accounts for something like 50% of volume, Not just from Iran but other Gulf countries too. If Iran agrees the oil price will fall.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,066
    Putin vibes, but a bit more gay.
    Not the most natural seat on a horse I’ve seen, but I bet the IRGC are quivering in their boots nevertheless.

    https://x.com/thenotoriousmma/status/2032616114035769371?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,652

    All military targets on Kharg Island obliterated overnight, apparently.

    Marines on their way to the region. Looks like this is where the boots on the ground are going in. Which, frankly, makes sense if they are going anywhere.

    Iran without 90% of its oil income is a solid negotiating chip.

    Elsewhere, Hegseth geting a serious kicking for his "no quarter" comment. Makes him a war criminal at risk of life imprisonment. Ooops.

    Trump has claimed that all military targets on Kharg Island have been obliterated, but I don’t think we should confuse things Trump says and the truth. All military targets may or may not have been obliterated.
    I'd give the US militay credit for being able to undertake that task.

    That they did it without hitting any oil facilities is the bigger surprise. Thankfully, likely to be no girls' schools of any size on KI...
    What were the ‘military targets’ on Kharg? I’ve read military installations were minimal there.
    I can't take Kharg seriously.

    It sounds too much like Klingon.
    Or - lazy script writers just plundered Farsi for "Klingon"?
    Please don't ruin it for me.
    Qapla!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 13,701

    Eabhal said:

    That 34% ethical is interesting in so much as it mirrors the Labour vote in 2024.

    I don't believe the question "is Starmer unethical or ethical" is the best question. "Does Starmer appear ethical or unethical" would generate a much sharper divergence

    I'd like him to fall on his sword, the level of hatred against the man is off the scale and a distraction for functional government. Some of that contempt is well deserved (he is shockingly bad at politics) but a great deal has been confected by the media due to his demand for a second Referendum and his undermining poor Boris.

    Speaking of hatred, Miliband's doing his bit to stir up a little against the evil private sector, who are clearly raising fuel prices for reasons unrelated to any real world events. Ahem.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626mdvn6d5o

    Feel sorry for those working in petrol stations getting abuse because the green zealot's trying to blame the private sector ahead of a potential government hike in income tax because a moron in America didn't realise starting an unplanned, pointless war in the Middle East had the obvious consequence of a rise in oil prices.
    We discussed this yesterday. Are the retailers price gouging? Some said yes, some said they are entitled to increase the retail price of their current stock in anticipation of the increased cost of the next delivery.

    We did agree that those abusing minimum wage cashiers at petrol stations deserve their own place in idiot's corner/ Hell.
    Besides- the free market selling price of everything is as much as the seller can get away with. Always has been, that's how the system is meant to work. The only question is what mechanisms stop that price being all but infinite.

    (Same as the free market buying price of a thing is the lowest the seller can be persuaded/forced to swallow. Those two things don't have to overlap, but when they do, wonderful things can happen.)
    Well yes, supply and demand enters the picture. One man's profiteering is another man's sound economics.
    It's not quite as simple as that - it's long been known that competition in this sector is rather weak. There's considerable market power and the CMA has been investigating it for some time. In that case profiteering is sound economics.

    This is one of those topics where PB is out of touch with public sentiment - just check out the comments on the BBC article. And blaming the government for abusive behaviour from some motorists to retail staff is just...mad.
    Public sentiment is they dont like high energy prices.

    Milibands policy of raining prices will bite Labour in the arse.
    Miliband is the reason British forces didn't take part in the initial strike on Iran which has caused this mess in the first place. He's also advocating the kind of energy that isn't vulnerable to whims of the Iranian regime of Vladimir Putin. In the battle of political narratives, I think he's in a reasonably strong position.

    (Though I must say I've been disappointed the government isn't pushing that point more forcefully).
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,846

    Dura_Ace said:

    A Fukker government is going to need to appoint a lot of peers very quickly. They obviously can't all come from the ranks of the Third Positionists, petty criminals, terminally unemployed and mentally ill that form the bulk of the Fukker membership. In those circumstances I could see a Fukker peerage being attractive to Lord Johnson of Uccle and Henly. Ditto other disgusting tory relicts like Chopey, Shappsie and IDS.

    Morning all. I was reflecting on this over the last few days. Not Boris going fukker (though joining a party which describes his primary hobby would be fun), the need for Reform to have capable people.

    So far they seem to attract the mad, bad and dispossessed. We have seen in Reform councils how these people come a cropper when the rhetoric of "all the money is wasted on woke" splats against reality. They have no ideas other than bad ones based on fantasy, so actually turning things around becomes difficult.

    Who are the people being lined up as fukker candidates for Westminster? The mad, bad and dispossessed. Should we be unlucky enough to have these fukkers in government, the only ones capable of doing anything are the ones who have already proven themselves to be unfit and incapable.

    Which leaves the Lords. So far we have a former handmaid leading the party in Scotland as the highest profile. Is the intention to attract people from industry? Lets be honest, they'll be spivs won't they?

    So back to Boris. Why on earth would he want to join that?
    The appeal of populism, of whatever flavour, is that it claims to offer easy solutions. "Your life sucks, but there's one easy trick that to turn it round, but THEY don't want to do it."

    That's fine at a campaign rally, but hardly ever works in government. There's nearly always a very good reason for not doing the one eady trick; either it doesn't work or it comes with horrible consequences. That's when it gets... "interesting".
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,846

    Putin vibes, but a bit more gay.
    Not the most natural seat on a horse I’ve seen, but I bet the IRGC are quivering in their boots nevertheless.

    https://x.com/thenotoriousmma/status/2032616114035769371?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Not as much as the horse.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,533

    Putin vibes, but a bit more gay.
    Not the most natural seat on a horse I’ve seen, but I bet the IRGC are quivering in their boots nevertheless.

    https://x.com/thenotoriousmma/status/2032616114035769371?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Is Dubai some sort of holding facility for total tossers, a sort of Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B?
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