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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897
    stodge said:

    It's amazing how the word Trump has already featured about 3,483 times in this thread.

    He doesn't even enter my head when I think about Iran and how to treat the regime.

    Perhaps but it's American and Israeli military power which is the only sure way (it seems following the collapse of the January protests) to make things happen and Trump is one of the leaders involved.

    He's also the one who has used the term "unconditional surrender" today. I don't recall that term being used in Iraq or Libya for example. When it was used in WW2, it was arguably counter productive as it made the Nazis realise they had no option but to fight on to the end.

    I'm not wholly sure what it means now - does he expect the theocracy to come cap in hand to beg Washington to stop because he must know that's never going to happen? Would he expect a new post-theocratic Government to surrender or simply seek terms?

    With the continued closure of Hormuz, which I suspect the Americans will re-open soon, the Iranians can watch the West and particularly Europe deal with oil prices rising and all that flows (or rather doesn't flow from that).
    Whatever it is, it makes it sound a hell of a lot more like a war requiring Congressional assent, than some limited "military operation".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450
    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    More like a Marshal Petomane?

    (Geddit?)
    Leonard Rossiter RIP

    Yep, most underrated comic actor of the 70 s
    I'd say he was highly rated. I've never heard anything but praise for him. RIP anyway, though.
    He's been dead about 40 years, no?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278
    edited March 6
    MelonB said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    The looming mid-terms probably do constraint the timeline. If this hasn't escalated into something much bigger by then, Trump will want to impose some kind of outcome and declare victory in order to claim victory.
    This isn't a Bomb/Invade/Occupy/Rebuild operation it's just Bomb. At the rate they're doing it Iran will be floored in short order. Their counterattacking strikes hardly ever get through and they are air-defenceless. Sitting ducks basically.

    Donald Trump can stop it any time he wants and (the benefit of undefined war aims) claim a glorious victory. That was Epic Fury. Hope you enjoyed the show as much as we enjoyed staging it. We have obliterated (he likes that word although struggles to pronounce it) the evil old regime and its fearsome weaponry. They are a threat no more. We are America. This is what we do. Next.

    That's what I see happening and fairly soon. Certainly weeks not months. The (unpredictable and probably malign) consequences of this will pan out for years but I don't think US military action in Iran will go on for that much longer.
    All very well, but I don’t think that’s how Bibi sees it.
    Ah yes, that's a different agenda. He'll be wanting to prolong things to the max and he is a master manipulator of this US president. But I don't think he'll be able to keep Trump engaged on this for more than another couple of weeks or so.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    More like a Marshal Petomane?

    (Geddit?)
    Leonard Rossiter RIP

    Yep, most underrated comic actor of the 70 s
    I'd say he was highly rated. I've never heard anything but praise for him. RIP anyway, though.
    He's been dead about 40 years, no?
    Yes. He has been RIPing since 1984.
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 984
    viewcode said:

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    I'm sure Spectator columnist Sean Thomas, formerly of this parish, will react to this in a measured and temperate manner
    Maybe Sean Thomas will be named as the new tsar?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387

    Details of Royal Air Force missions have been published online for years in a “staggering” security blunder, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Messages that reveal air-to-air refuelling flight plans and the possible locations of British fighter jets have been broadcast by the the RAF over an insecure aviation messaging system that anyone can read.

    Other messages appear to instruct pilots to remove secret documents being carried on a refuelling craft. In another case, a message apparently tells an aircraft where to park before landing in Cyprus on the same day as the Iranian drone strike.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/03/06/raf-flight-plans-published-online-security-blunder/

    LOL. Did no-one tell them that ACARS isn’t encrypted?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:

    Taz said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    More like a Marshal Petomane?

    (Geddit?)
    Leonard Rossiter RIP

    Yep, most underrated comic actor of the 70 s
    I'd say he was highly rated. I've never heard anything but praise for him. RIP anyway, though.
    He's been dead about 40 years, no?
    He'd be 100 this year, had he lived.

    Fine squash player too.
    The Guardian article I linked above has a picture of him playing Jonah Barrington, I think.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah_Barrington_(squash_player)
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,054

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278
    viewcode said:

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    I'm sure Spectator columnist Sean Thomas, formerly of this parish, will react to this in a measured and temperate manner
    I think he should be punished by appointing him to the role.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450

    Cicero said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    Wouldn't the Democrats have to win every Senate contest in 2026 in order to get to 67 Senators, and a chance of a conviction in the Senate?

    And even then, some of the Democrat Senators might baulk at removing a democratically elected President from office, unless doing so had overwhelming public support (at which point Republican Senators would probably break ranks with Trump and convict anyway).

    Point being, Trump would have to become as unpopular as Liz Truss for such an eventuality to be remotely plausible. He is some way off that and I see little prospect of him plunging to such depths. What could be do that he hasn't done already?
    I accept it is unlikely, but my thinking is that the odds are not zero... so what are they?
    The safest State in this cycle for the Republicans is Wyoming, which is R+23, followed by West Virginia (R+21) and a bunch more in the high-teens.

    The only conceivable scenario in which it is possible is one in which war drags on, there's a major MAGA split on the continuance of the war, the Libertarians stand candidates in all the Republican-held Senate contests and split the vote sufficiently to let Democrats come through the middle.

    And, even then, I'm sure some of the Republican Senators would have sufficiently strong isolationist bona fides to avoid defeat. All this presupposing that TACO Trump doesn't end the war when it becomes sufficiently unpopular.

    I have no difficulty in assigning that a zero probability.
    I mean, it shouldn't be a zero possibility. If Trump looks like a one way ticket for unemploymentville for a whole bunch of Republican Senators, then it's possible they might grow a spine.

    It's just very, very unlikely.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845
    Brixian59 said:

    eek said:

    nico67 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    Wouldn't the Democrats have to win every Senate contest in 2026 in order to get to 67 Senators, and a chance of a conviction in the Senate?

    And even then, some of the Democrat Senators might baulk at removing a democratically elected President from office, unless doing so had overwhelming public support (at which point Republican Senators would probably break ranks with Trump and convict anyway).

    Point being, Trump would have to become as unpopular as Liz Truss for such an eventuality to be remotely plausible. He is some way off that and I see little prospect of him plunging to such depths. What could be do that he hasn't done already?
    I agree they can’t get a 2/3rds majority by themselves. That said I don’t think it’s inconceivable that Trump gets 25th’d, or even impeached, if the war drags on and the base turns.

    I’m not saying we’re anywhere near there yet, but as with any cult or belief system like MAGA, if something snaps, the support could collapse overnight.
    I admire your optimism. You’ll find that now Trump is the one going to war a large section of Maga think it’s all wonderful .
    A majority of the US public disapprove though, and that tends to increase the more action goes on and the fallout from it (deaths of service personnel, economic indicators) start to filter through.

    I’m never tremendously optimistic when it comes to matters Trumpian, but this is by some measure his riskiest move yet, and whilst it would be naive to assume he cannot continue to defy political gravity, all it takes is for a few people to see the emperor has no clothes and the whole thing could go south for him pretty quickly.
    The thing is I don't think Trump is that invested in the war. He's not ideologically committed to it in the way that Putin is to the conquest of Ukraine.

    So in the politically worst-case scenario Trump simply ends the war, declares victory, and distracts everyone with half a dozen new crazy things.

    I'd say there's a better than evens chance that Iran will barely be mentioned in news bulletins by Easter. The circus will have moved on.
    If Iran continues to throw missiles and drones in all directions then the war continues - regardless of what Trump wants.
    He's so utterly deranged that I can see Farage returning from Florida with a MAGA edict that Farage is made PM by 1 June or Trump will attack UK
    1 April surely more appropriate?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,167

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Interesting article in Foreign Affairs about exactly this topic. America has no means of imposing its candidate on the Iranians; Iran isn't in the top three most important countries in the region these days, so it won't address the underlying issues anyway; the predominant dynamic in the region is hatred of Israel, which this adventure is playing into; Gulf states are vulnerable; most importantly at some point damage limitation will kick in, which means doing some kind deal with whoever is in charge in Iran.

    https://bsky.app/profile/dassakaye.bsky.social/post/3mgfohy2akc2m

    The predominant dynamic is shifting towards secularisation and modernisation. Some very interesting comments from MBS here:

    https://x.com/ippatel/status/2029736800001155463
    Whatever were the dynamics and alliances a fortnight ago, they’ve all been flipped on their heads by events of the past few days.

    Everyone in the region is now united in seeing Iran as the enemy, and willing on the US and Israel to defeat them militarily. There’s little doubt the GCC states would have responded militarily to the threat.

    Everyone wants the Straight of Hormuz open ASAP, including China. I suspect that by early next week there’s mechanisms in place to enable this to happen. It’s simply too important to global trade to be closed, which is why the Iran navy was one of the first targets of the operation.
    Nearly everyone in the region already saw Iran as the enemy, so there's not been much change on that front.

    The question is whether everyone in the region are up for a protracted war, or will they be ruing the US/Israeli action and keen for it to be over? They might be willing on the US and Israel to defeat Iran militarily, but only if they can do it quickly.
    Which is another reason why we should be helping them, not tutting from the sidelines.
    A few British planes isn't going to make any difference. I am unclear how UK ground troops would be meant to get there!
    If you want to help them bugger off to Israel.

    Not our war
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938

    FF43 said:

    FF43 said:

    Interesting article in Foreign Affairs about exactly this topic. America has no means of imposing its candidate on the Iranians; Iran isn't in the top three most important countries in the region these days, so it won't address the underlying issues anyway; the predominant dynamic in the region is hatred of Israel, which this adventure is playing into; Gulf states are vulnerable; most importantly at some point damage limitation will kick in, which means doing some kind deal with whoever is in charge in Iran.

    https://bsky.app/profile/dassakaye.bsky.social/post/3mgfohy2akc2m

    The predominant dynamic is shifting towards secularisation and modernisation. Some very interesting comments from MBS here:

    https://x.com/ippatel/status/2029736800001155463
    I suspect the ME is secularising a bit, but you don't have to be a religious nut to be very anti-Israel.

    Also most people in the region are Muslims. It's their identity; who they are. But I don't think most were that fanatical before.
    Indeed.

    Plenty of nuts hate Israel.

    Religious nuts
    Far right nuts
    Leftie nuts
    Fruit and nuts
    And anyone paying attention.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 21,794

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    The Senate map is still tough for Democrats, even given the latest Trump stupidity.

    Let’s say they manage to win Maine, North Carolina and Ohio (probably the most likely three) - that gets them to 50-50 (so a Vance tiebreak). That is assuming they hold on to Georgia and Michigan (not guaranteed).

    For a majority you’re looking at them picking up at least one of the next plausible three - Alaska, Texas, Florida. All of those are to varying degrees challenging. Alaska might be the best bet (as Peltola has won a statewide race before). I wouldn’t bet on Florida shifting given how significantly it has swung to the GOP in recent years, and Texas must still be a long shot.

    Even if they win all three of those, that’s then 53-47, and some way from the two thirds needed to convict. To get closer they’d need to win seats like Iowa and Montana, far from fertile ground, and then states like Kansas, Kentucky, Nebraska - which just look far too insurmountable to me.
    Put another way, 67 votes is an incredibly high bar in a partisan setup. The implication is that 33 votes, or 17 states worth of Senators, is a blocking minority.

    Falling below that level is essentially Never Going To Happen, is it? That might not matter if Senators could vote with their conscience rather than their partisan label. (Stop sniggering at the back.)

    That "in emergency, break open and impeachment" button? In the current climate, it's not really connected to anything effective.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387
    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    It means getting rid of the Iranian navy (job pretty much done already), then getting sufficient air and sea assets in place around the Straight to defend against anything incoming.

    In practice that means first taking out all known fixed launch facilities, then getting in to place a number of warships, with aircraft and helicopter support, as well as ground-based and sea-based SAM air defence systems, overseen by AWACS and satellite-based surveillance.

    The US could do it, and the GCC states would be happy to assist if it keeps the oil flowing.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    It means getting rid of the Iranian navy (job pretty much done already), then getting sufficient air and sea assets in place around the Straight to defend against anything incoming.

    In practice that means first taking out all known fixed launch facilities, then getting in to place a number of warships, with aircraft and helicopter support, as well as ground-based and sea-based SAM air defence systems, overseen by AWACS and satellite-based surveillance.

    The US could do it, and the GCC states would be happy to assist if it keeps the oil flowing.
    The IRGC navy is still largely intact, and would be the ones to be doing this in any case.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,941
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,339
    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    edited March 6
    OT. As the clouds gather over Europe and the Middle East a small chink of light. The Telegraph is being bought by German publisher Axel Springer. An old and trusted German publisher based in Hamburg and though it won't happen overnight it won't put up with the crap the Telegraph have been spewing out for the last few years. Honesty might return to the British broadsheets again. And more importantly it isn't going to the Mail. The worst news group in the UK
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,339

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    It means getting rid of the Iranian navy (job pretty much done already), then getting sufficient air and sea assets in place around the Straight to defend against anything incoming.

    In practice that means first taking out all known fixed launch facilities, then getting in to place a number of warships, with aircraft and helicopter support, as well as ground-based and sea-based SAM air defence systems, overseen by AWACS and satellite-based surveillance.

    The US could do it, and the GCC states would be happy to assist if it keeps the oil flowing.
    The IRGC navy is still largely intact, and would be the ones to be doing this in any case.
    Do we know that? What have the B1 and B52 bombers been doing if not twatting everything that might hold a vessel? Sure, it needs only to be small vessels that can lay mines. But anything getting even a mile off the coast of Iran is a total failure of the US and Israeli air forces and navies.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387
    CNN guy in Iran, appears to be doing the full Tucker-Carlson-in-Moscow on behalf of the Iranian regime.

    https://x.com/fpleitgencnn/status/2029566336591106151

    He also appears to be the only journalist in the country with reliable internet access.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6
    Are the reports that the volume of Iranian missile and drone attacks are goimg down, correct ?

    This seems particularly important to try and understand, to try and get some verifiable information out of the current situation.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 26,845

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    I've never understood this whole "tsar" thing. It's not like the tsars were renowned for effective governance.
    Jobs for influential mates who have access to high paying roles for future ex politicians.
    Limited accountability and scrutiny.
    Not political competitors.
    Know far more about the subject matter than ministers so have some chance of driving change in the civil service.
    Ticks the something needs to be done box.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,941
    Sandpit said:

    CNN guy in Iran, appears to be doing the full Tucker-Carlson-in-Moscow on behalf of the Iranian regime.

    https://x.com/fpleitgencnn/status/2029566336591106151

    He also appears to be the only journalist in the country with reliable internet access.

    Reporting facts on the ground isn't, I would submit, what Carlson-in-Moscow was most renowned for.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,187

    Are the reports that the volume of Iranian missile and drone attacks are goimg down, correct ?

    This seems particularly important to understand, to try and get some verifiable information out of the current situation.

    It seems logical that there would be a drop off in those attacks .

    The fact that flights are starting up again would seem to support that .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278
    maxh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
    The 'hey just kidding not kidding' technique. Tedious and toxic. That pretentious 'take him seriously not literally' shit when Trump emerged was an example of it. Turned out the opposite would have been better advice. The times (many) when he was ranting in deranged freeform were a pretty good indication of what his presidency would be like.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,054
    edited March 6
    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    It means getting rid of the Iranian navy (job pretty much done already), then getting sufficient air and sea assets in place around the Straight to defend against anything incoming.

    In practice that means first taking out all known fixed launch facilities, then getting in to place a number of warships, with aircraft and helicopter support, as well as ground-based and sea-based SAM air defence systems, overseen by AWACS and satellite-based surveillance.

    The US could do it, and the GCC states would be happy to assist if it keeps the oil flowing.
    Houthis substantially, but not entirely, closed the Red Sea/Suez over a period of two years despite having no navy and lacking the targeting capabilities the Iranians possess. https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/securing-red-sea-how-can-houthi-maritime-strikes-be-countered

    Ultimately the US did a deal with the Houthis.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,467

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278
    Roger said:

    OT. As the clouds gather over Europe and the Middle East a small chink of light. The Telegraph is being bought by German publisher Axel Springer. An old and trusted German publisher based in Hamburg and though it won't happen overnight it won't put up with the crap the Telegraph have been spewing out for the last few years. Honesty might return to the British broadsheets again. And more importantly it isn't going to the Mail. The worst news group in the UK

    If it leads to a modicum of quality control, even whilst keeping the oddball politics, that would be a real benefit to the nation.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,683
    edited March 6
    dixiedean said:

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    Is that one whose job will be to be anti-Muslim and hostile?
    I can think of a candidate for the role.
    Will he or she man the cones hotline too?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387

    Are the reports that the volume of Iranian missile and drone attacks are goimg down, correct ?

    This seems particularly important to try and understand, to try and get some verifiable information out of the current situation.

    There’s variations on the actual numbers, but the trend is definitely down significantly and supported by anecdotal data.

    Dubai airport, for example, is up to about 30% of the usual flights, with only Emirates airline and some cargo operators flying. Emirates are hoping to have their full service back up by early next week, which suggests they’re confident of avoiding substantial airspace closures.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,941
    ...
    kinabalu said:

    maxh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
    The 'hey just kidding not kidding' technique. Tedious and toxic. That pretentious 'take him seriously not literally' shit when Trump emerged was an example of it. Turned out the opposite would have been better advice. The times (many) when he was ranting in deranged freeform were a pretty good indication of what his presidency would be like.
    Agreed but I was thinking more of the algorithmic encouragement of such behaviour. I don't think President Trump would exist without social media.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    Our joke of a right wing press.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwmVM6wNkg
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387
    edited March 6
    maxh said:

    Sandpit said:

    CNN guy in Iran, appears to be doing the full Tucker-Carlson-in-Moscow on behalf of the Iranian regime.

    https://x.com/fpleitgencnn/status/2029566336591106151

    He also appears to be the only journalist in the country with reliable internet access.

    Reporting facts on the ground isn't, I would submit, what Carlson-in-Moscow was most renowned for.
    It’s the same hagiographic sycophancy though, look how wonderful this terrible place actually is.

    If CNN guy starts talking to people who were tortured or had relatives killed by the Iranian regime, then I shall change my mind. I suspect what’s coming is a bunch of interviews with actors blaming Trump and Netanyahu.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450
    edited March 6

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    That's true.

    However, if there's one thing we know from 2022 to 2024, it's that voters absolutely hate it when they get poorer because energy prices go through the roof. And if the Straits of Hormuz are closed for more than a couple of weeks, then gas prices in the US are going to be ugly. Electricity prices, it should be noted, are also heading up thanks to data centers and AI.

    Edit to add: on the Silver Bulletin Trump tracker, Trump II is trending exactly in line with both Biden and Trump I.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,339

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,068
    https://x.com/faytuksnetwork/status/2029980022325338173

    Azerbaijani state media accuses the Iranian IRGC of preparing a terrorist attack in Azerbaijan targeting the Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan oil pipeline, the Israeli embassy, and a synagogue, saying the threat was neutralized.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    Lynsdey Graham. The lunatic's lunatic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDS1k9lAq8
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988
    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,465

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
    Mark, Realclearpolitics is currently giving an average of 43.4%/54.6% with a huge spread of results, so you can cherry pick your pollsters and draw just about any conclusion you like. The trouble is of course that there is no equivalent of the BPC in the US so even joke pollsters like Trafalgar get thrown into the mix. Even amongst the more familiar names it is hard to know who you can really rely on. I think Quinnipiac are pretty kosher but I'd struggle to name a second I would place great reliance on.

    I think all you can say for sure is that the trend has been unfavorable for Trump for some time and that the favorability gap is big, but not necessarily big enough to suggest a wipe out in November.

    There's a lot of room for guesswork, and if I had to guess it would be along the same lines as Gareth - a good night for Democrats, but not dissimilar to normal midterm results.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463
    The problem with this for Trump is that if he wants to dictate to Iranians who their Supreme Leader and head of state and head of government will be and to restore the son of the Shah he will need to deploy US ground troops into Iran. Yet only 12% of Americans want to deploy ground troops, even less than the 31% who back the strikes

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cnn-poll-59-of-americans-disapprove-of-iran-strikes-and-most-think-a-long-term-conflict-is-likely/ar-AA1XnrFy?ocid=BingNewsSerp
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    Evening all
    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 22,435
    Roger said:

    Lynsdey Graham. The lunatic's lunatic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDS1k9lAq8

    It gets SERIOUSLY bzarre even by US standards. If we stood shoulder to shoulder with any of these characters I'd be terrified!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,549
    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6
    The paucity of information beyond American press conferences is beginning to remind me of the 1990's war in the Gulf.

    Norman Schwarzkopf.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    That's true.

    However, if there's one thing we know from 2022 to 2024, it's that voters absolutely hate it when they get poorer because energy prices go through the roof. And if the Straits of Hormuz are closed for more than a couple of weeks, then gas prices in the US are going to be ugly. Electricity prices, it should be noted, are also heading up thanks to data centers and AI.

    Edit to add: on the Silver Bulletin Trump tracker, Trump II is trending exactly in line with both Biden and Trump I.
    Which might suggest a swing of 3% to 5% in the mid terms.

  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,465

    Evening all
    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Hmmm....sleazy broken Labour on exactly the same level as before.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 244
    Csn anyone recommend an alternative to Betfair, either an exchange type deal or a regular bookie where one can lay/back against in football markets?

    Specifically I want to bet against Cov gaining promotion, ideally laying for a £1000-1500 return, assuming pricing is reasonable. Thanks.

    (Betfair have singled my account out for 're-verification' for some reason, and have completely locked me out, despite my sending perfectly good documentation three days ago...)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988
    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 60,387
    edited March 6

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    It does appear there have been a couple of incidents.

    https://x.com/fgaitho237/status/2029965312418775521
    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2029960445306544573
  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 1,294
    maxh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
    I was just listening to Jump by Derek and Clive as part of a study I'm doing on novelty songs based on Anglican chant. One of the funniest and rudest songs ever.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    I've never understood this whole "tsar" thing. It's not like the tsars were renowned for effective governance.
    You understand it well, then.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
    Mark, Realclearpolitics is currently giving an average of 43.4%/54.6% with a huge spread of results, so you can cherry pick your pollsters and draw just about any conclusion you like. The trouble is of course that there is no equivalent of the BPC in the US so even joke pollsters like Trafalgar get thrown into the mix. Even amongst the more familiar names it is hard to know who you can really rely on. I think Quinnipiac are pretty kosher but I'd struggle to name a second I would place great reliance on.

    I think all you can say for sure is that the trend has been unfavorable for Trump for some time and that the favorability gap is big, but not necessarily big enough to suggest a wipe out in November.

    There's a lot of room for guesswork, and if I had to guess it would be along the same lines as Gareth - a good night for Democrats, but not dissimilar to normal midterm results.
    That's pretty much where I'm sitting.

    Assuming that the Iran war ends before it sends petrol prices spiralling out of control, you'd expect the Democrats to regain the House, and to pickup North Carolina and Maine. You'd also reckon they have a decent chance in Alaska. With outside possibilities being Ohio and (if the Republicans pick Paxton) Texas. The most likely outcome is probably Dems +2 in the Senate, but it's not impossible they could either fall short in North Carolina, or for Ms Collins to escape political gravity once more, or even for them to drop one or both of Michigan and Georgia.

    That said, if it does go on, and energy prices spike, then it could be an ugly night for the Republicans.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,068
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Lynsdey Graham. The lunatic's lunatic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPDS1k9lAq8

    It gets SERIOUSLY bzarre even by US standards. If we stood shoulder to shoulder with any of these characters I'd be terrified!
    One of Trump's problems is that he doesn't have someone of the calibre of Tony Blair to act as his international representative.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 58,339
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
    Mark, Realclearpolitics is currently giving an average of 43.4%/54.6% with a huge spread of results, so you can cherry pick your pollsters and draw just about any conclusion you like. The trouble is of course that there is no equivalent of the BPC in the US so even joke pollsters like Trafalgar get thrown into the mix. Even amongst the more familiar names it is hard to know who you can really rely on. I think Quinnipiac are pretty kosher but I'd struggle to name a second I would place great reliance on.

    I think all you can say for sure is that the trend has been unfavorable for Trump for some time and that the favorability gap is big, but not necessarily big enough to suggest a wipe out in November.

    There's a lot of room for guesswork, and if I had to guess it would be along the same lines as Gareth - a good night for Democrats, but not dissimilar to normal midterm results.
    That's pretty much where I'm sitting.

    Assuming that the Iran war ends before it sends petrol prices spiralling out of control, you'd expect the Democrats to regain the House, and to pickup North Carolina and Maine. You'd also reckon they have a decent chance in Alaska. With outside possibilities being Ohio and (if the Republicans pick Paxton) Texas. The most likely outcome is probably Dems +2 in the Senate, but it's not impossible they could either fall short in North Carolina, or for Ms Collins to escape political gravity once more, or even for them to drop one or both of Michigan and Georgia.

    That said, if it does go on, and energy prices spike, then it could be an ugly night for the Republicans.
    But on that Economist link, check out Trump's approval in those critical Senate seats by hovering over them... It's got to be very sobering for the Republicans.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
    Well, that doesn't stop the fact that the Captain -and his crew- are not that anxious to be shot at, or droned.

    On insurance, remember that the insurers right now will be declaring Force Majeure, and telling shippers that if they want to traverse the straits then the premiums will be sky high.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897
    edited March 6
    maxh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
    That's not unique to social media, or even new, though.
    It's always been part of the fascist/nazi playbook.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/139004/ironic-nazis-still-nazis
    ...the pretext of irony as a way of furthering bigotry isn’t just a tactic wannabe Nazis of the 21st century have developed. It’s actually indistinguishable from how the actual Nazis of the early 20th century behaved. This role irony plays in providing a protective cover for anti-Semitism was brilliantly analyzed by the philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre in his book Anti-Semite and Jew (1944), published after France was liberated but while the Holocaust was reaching a crescendo in Europe. Sartre observed that anti-Semites often resorted to the cloak of jokiness:

    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.

    They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.
    They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past"...

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 63,450

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
    Mark, Realclearpolitics is currently giving an average of 43.4%/54.6% with a huge spread of results, so you can cherry pick your pollsters and draw just about any conclusion you like. The trouble is of course that there is no equivalent of the BPC in the US so even joke pollsters like Trafalgar get thrown into the mix. Even amongst the more familiar names it is hard to know who you can really rely on. I think Quinnipiac are pretty kosher but I'd struggle to name a second I would place great reliance on.

    I think all you can say for sure is that the trend has been unfavorable for Trump for some time and that the favorability gap is big, but not necessarily big enough to suggest a wipe out in November.

    There's a lot of room for guesswork, and if I had to guess it would be along the same lines as Gareth - a good night for Democrats, but not dissimilar to normal midterm results.
    That's pretty much where I'm sitting.

    Assuming that the Iran war ends before it sends petrol prices spiralling out of control, you'd expect the Democrats to regain the House, and to pickup North Carolina and Maine. You'd also reckon they have a decent chance in Alaska. With outside possibilities being Ohio and (if the Republicans pick Paxton) Texas. The most likely outcome is probably Dems +2 in the Senate, but it's not impossible they could either fall short in North Carolina, or for Ms Collins to escape political gravity once more, or even for them to drop one or both of Michigan and Georgia.

    That said, if it does go on, and energy prices spike, then it could be an ugly night for the Republicans.
    But on that Economist link, check out Trump's approval in those critical Senate seats by hovering over them... It's got to be very sobering for the Republicans.
    Make sure you select 2024 voters rather than all Americans. It doesn't look quite so bad then.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,549
    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    13m
    I think the entire political narrative around the conflict is set to shift. This week it's been "Starmer's done well to keep us out". Next week the White House will be tweeting music videos of bombers from Britain hammering Iran. At which point Labour MPs will completely freak.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 134,463

    Evening all
    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Labour will also be relieved they remain ahead of the Greens after Gorton and the Iran situation, the Tories will be pleased too to advance a bit as Reform decline
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 1,167

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
    So Kemi who wants a war will blame Labour for cost of living issues after a war she was desperate for.

    Just about sums her up.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 15,465

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
    Is that what insurance companies are for? Personally I have always thought them identical to bookmakers, except for their reluctance to pay out on winners.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,941
    Nigelb said:

    maxh said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Vichy ?
    I despise Trump, but he's not quite Hitler.

    More of a Kermit 2.0 ?

    He's not Hitler.

    But a foreign country imposing a leader on the people is a bad idea.

    If I wanted to be incendiary I would have used Vidkun Quisling.
    MAGA seems to be trending in that direction.

    Here’s Brandon Herrera, now the Republican nominee in Texas’s 23rd District after Rep. Tony Gonzales dropped out, showing off his copy of Hitler’s Mein Kampf: “I got the 1939 edition printed in English.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/2029944872543686748
    One of the trends that I think we will come to regret (if we don't already) is the tendency of clickbaity social media to encourage people to say or do pretty horrific things whilst (appearing to) joke around.

    I am not averse to a joke in very poor taste. I remember with fondness the old Derek and Clive recordings.

    But the ability for those making a living on social media to make outrageous comments on film to garner outraged clicks and then to pass off such scenes as 'jokes' intended to 'own the libs" or similar does a huge amount to normalise that which should not be normalised.

    There will, I think, be a reckoning for this.
    That's not unique to social media, or even new, though.
    It's always been part of the fascist/nazi playbook.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/139004/ironic-nazis-still-nazis
    ...the pretext of irony as a way of furthering bigotry isn’t just a tactic wannabe Nazis of the 21st century have developed. It’s actually indistinguishable from how the actual Nazis of the early 20th century behaved. This role irony plays in providing a protective cover for anti-Semitism was brilliantly analyzed by the philosopher Jean-Paul Sartre in his book Anti-Semite and Jew (1944), published after France was liberated but while the Holocaust was reaching a crescendo in Europe. Sartre observed that anti-Semites often resorted to the cloak of jokiness:

    "Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play.

    They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors.
    They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past"...

    Good point, I wasn't aware of that, thanks
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
    Well, that doesn't stop the fact that the Captain -and his crew- are not that anxious to be shot at, or droned.

    On insurance, remember that the insurers right now will be declaring Force Majeure, and telling shippers that if they want to traverse the straits then the premiums will be sky high.
    So ?

    There's been no shortage of previous wars, including in the Middle East, where trade had to continue through dangerous zones.

    Let Trump offer insurance at the normal rate and you'll see the premiums fall back.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,549

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
    They may need a cunning plan for civil unrest.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,241
    If you’re a Chavista in Venezuela, you’ve gone from being in power but unable to sell oil to the US, to now being in power and being able to sell oil to the US. That’s not a bad deal.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 8,840
    Brixian59 said:

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
    So Kemi who wants a war will blame Labour for cost of living issues after a war she was desperate for.

    Just about sums her up.
    You do recall Starmer’s tactics in the pandemic, yes?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,060
    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    Whilst I think you are right overall, do you not see Rand Paul perhaps voting for impeachment given his increasing hostility to Trump?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,765
    @KobeissiLetter

    This is truly incredible to watch: 5 minutes ago, US crude oil prices surged above $91.50/barrel. Now, we are above $92.50, adding +$1/barrel in 5 minutes. This puts prices up +$12/barrel in 9 hours. We are witnessing a historic short squeeze as we speak.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/2029976892854427952?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,549
    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.



  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 55,461

    https://x.com/shippersunbound/status/2029960111112753423

    Britain is to get a new ‘anti-Muslim hostility tsar’ under plans to be outlined by the government on Monday, which will also include a new definition of Islamophobia

    I've never understood this whole "tsar" thing. It's not like the tsars were renowned for effective governance.
    Not exactly famous for being against "anti-Muslim hostility" either. Indeed quite big on inciting it, alongside anti-semitism too of course.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 86,897
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Cicero said:

    The commentary from Washington today has been astonishingly stupid.

    I think we will be looking at a large Democrat majority in the House, and it is even possible that the American people might vote for enough Democrat Senators to allow impeachment. What odds are being offered on Trump being forced from office?

    It is certainly what this fiasco deserves.

    There is essentially no chance that enough Senate seats could fall that would allow for Trump's impeachment.

    Right now, the Senate is 53-47.

    Only 33 seats are up for election this year, of which 13 are Democrat, and 20 Republican.

    If you assume that States with a partisan lean of 6 points (i.e. a 12 point gap in the vote last time around) were to the fall to the Democrats (which would be an incredible result for them), then you would see them gain the following:

    Alaska: not a bad shout, Mary Pelouta is popular and only just missed out in the House race in 2024, and the Republicans are likely to do worse than then.
    Florida: that's a real toughy; it's been becoming Redder and Redder over time. But I put in there for completeness.
    Iowa: it's possible. Obama won it. And it'll be open because Joni Ernst is retiring. But I'd want decent odds.
    Maine: Ms Collins luck will run out this year.
    North Carolina: probably a Democrat gain.
    Ohio: like with Iowa, it's possible. Sherrod Brown is a very strong Democratic candidate who lost by just 3.5% in 2024, while Trump ran away with the State.
    Texas: well, the Democrats did the smart thing and chose an electable candidate. And the Republicans look likely to pick Paxton. Nate Silver thinks this makes Texas 50/50.

    And that's it... After that, you start looking at States with big Republican leans. And while it's possible one ofthem could end up falling in one way or another (perhaps Louisiana, if the Republicans Primary Bill Cassidy, and then the Dems decide to sit the race out and he wins as an Independent?), it's not likely.

    So... on an incredible night for the Dems, you could see them picking up 7.

    But, really, only 2 are high likelihood (Maine and North Carolina), then there are 2 or 3 that are 50/50 at best (Alaska, maybe Ohio and Texas). And then it's really distant shots.

    +7 gets the Dems to 54 Senators. And yes, you might get Lisa Murkowski voting for Trump's removal, but that's probably about it.
    But...you are assuming those Republican Seantors who weren't up for election but have seen the Democrats surge in the House and get the majority in the Senate are going to sit back and let Trump run through to his end of term without trying to do something to save their arses in 2028.
    It's worth pointing out that Trump's average favourability in polling is 43%, which is still better than Biden and a smidge better than Trump 1. The assumption on here is that everyone in the US hates Trump now but it's really not the case. I would suggest the polling points to an average mid-terms (e.g. Dems take back the House but not the Senate)
    You are way out of date:

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

    38% approval, 58% disapproval.
    Mark, Realclearpolitics is currently giving an average of 43.4%/54.6% with a huge spread of results, so you can cherry pick your pollsters and draw just about any conclusion you like. The trouble is of course that there is no equivalent of the BPC in the US so even joke pollsters like Trafalgar get thrown into the mix. Even amongst the more familiar names it is hard to know who you can really rely on. I think Quinnipiac are pretty kosher but I'd struggle to name a second I would place great reliance on.

    I think all you can say for sure is that the trend has been unfavorable for Trump for some time and that the favorability gap is big, but not necessarily big enough to suggest a wipe out in November.

    There's a lot of room for guesswork, and if I had to guess it would be along the same lines as Gareth - a good night for Democrats, but not dissimilar to normal midterm results.
    That's pretty much where I'm sitting.

    Assuming that the Iran war ends before it sends petrol prices spiralling out of control, you'd expect the Democrats to regain the House, and to pickup North Carolina and Maine. You'd also reckon they have a decent chance in Alaska. With outside possibilities being Ohio and (if the Republicans pick Paxton) Texas. The most likely outcome is probably Dems +2 in the Senate, but it's not impossible they could either fall short in North Carolina, or for Ms Collins to escape political gravity once more, or even for them to drop one or both of Michigan and Georgia.

    That said, if it does go on, and energy prices spike, then it could be an ugly night for the Republicans.
    But on that Economist link, check out Trump's approval in those critical Senate seats by hovering over them... It's got to be very sobering for the Republicans.
    Make sure you select 2024 voters rather than all Americans. It doesn't look quite so bad then.
    But will only 2024 voters be turning out in November ?
    I'd suggest it's likely differential turnout will play a sizeable role too.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,613

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Well drugs has to be the biggest issue in the election after next.

    When half the electorate voluntarily tell the pollsters that thinking isn't their thing one has to worry.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 11,065
    edited March 6

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Interesting. So it's not just YouGov putting the Greens so high.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 42,765

    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.

    @FirstSquawk

    AXIOS: RUBIO TOLD ARAB FOREIGN MINISTERS THAT WASHINGTON'S GOAL IS NOT REGIME CHANGE AND THAT IT WANTS DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO RUN THE COUNTRY
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,635
    KnightOut said:

    Csn anyone recommend an alternative to Betfair, either an exchange type deal or a regular bookie where one can lay/back against in football markets?

    Specifically I want to bet against Cov gaining promotion, ideally laying for a £1000-1500 return, assuming pricing is reasonable. Thanks.

    (Betfair have singled my account out for 're-verification' for some reason, and have completely locked me out, despite my sending perfectly good documentation three days ago...)

    Smarkets. As a long suffering Cov fan I fear that one is more likely than the pundits think..
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 2,433

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
    Well, that doesn't stop the fact that the Captain -and his crew- are not that anxious to be shot at, or droned.

    On insurance, remember that the insurers right now will be declaring Force Majeure, and telling shippers that if they want to traverse the straits then the premiums will be sky high.
    So ?

    There's been no shortage of previous wars, including in the Middle East, where trade had to continue through dangerous zones.

    Let Trump offer insurance at the normal rate and you'll see the premiums fall back.
    My uncle spent 2 years the wrong side of the strait of Hormuz when he was at sea
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 58,068

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Either of these is quite believable which reflects the softness of the vote for both Labour and the Greens.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988
    Brixian59 said:

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
    So Kemi who wants a war will blame Labour for cost of living issues after a war she was desperate for.

    Just about sums her up.
    What goes around comes around.

    The Opposition demands action and governments get the blame for the consequences of that action.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,885

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    And what happens if everyone just ignores that one drone and sails through ?

    Given that Iran has so far been able to sink precisely zero ships it might suggest that Iran's actual military capacity is, once again, being over estimated.
    I think the issue is that civilian boat captains (and the companies that own the boats) are risk averse. Their desire to put themselves in harms way is limited.

    What you probably need is for the first few tankers to get through with heavy escort, so that the risk from Iranian drones, etc., can be properly calibrated. If they are unable to mount a serious threat, then people will begin to relax, and tankers (and oil) will start to flow.
    Risk is what insurance is for.

    And the oil in those ships is now worth a lot more.
    Well, that doesn't stop the fact that the Captain -and his crew- are not that anxious to be shot at, or droned.

    On insurance, remember that the insurers right now will be declaring Force Majeure, and telling shippers that if they want to traverse the straits then the premiums will be sky high.
    So ?

    There's been no shortage of previous wars, including in the Middle East, where trade had to continue through dangerous zones.

    Let Trump offer insurance at the normal rate and you'll see the premiums fall back.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti-ship_cruise_missiles_of_Iran
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,910

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Either of these is quite believable which reflects the softness of the vote for both Labour and the Greens.
    Labour FOURTH with FoN

    lol

    I know this is not a first time, but it's still hilarious. Also surely historic. A government with a landslide result coming FOURTH in polls 18 months later. I doubt we have seen that before in the history of universal UK suffrage - ie ever
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Interesting. So it's not just YouGov putting the Greens so high.
    Its always been YG and FoN
    No other BPC pollster has ever had them above 15% (yet)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 49,278

    Wheat price up 3% today.

    We are heading to a world of inflation pain yet again.

    Cost of living will be 2029 GE issue and I doubt anything else will get a look in.

    Don't worry I'm sure Labour has a cunning plan involving more welfare for those who don't work and more tax for those who do.
    Well to avoid inflation shocks it'd help enormously if vanity old men tyrants like Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump would refrain from starting wars. But there's little point Labour or any other UK political party putting that in their manifesto.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 70,549
    Assassinating [Ayatollah Khamenei] during the month of Ramadan is about as subtle as murdering the Pope on the steps of St Peter's in Holy Week.

    General Sir Richard Shirreff, NATO's former Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe.

    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/2029743059861397764
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    Leon said:

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Either of these is quite believable which reflects the softness of the vote for both Labour and the Greens.
    Labour FOURTH with FoN

    lol

    I know this is not a first time, but it's still hilarious. Also surely historic. A government with a landslide result coming FOURTH in polls 18 months later. I doubt we have seen that before in the history of universal UK suffrage - ie ever
    The closest analogy is probably Teresa Mays Tories 4th with YouGov 2 years after she 'almost' won a majority
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,910
    Weird request of the day

    I'm making nice money from my flints, young and old, and I want to spend some

    I've run out of room in my tiny flat to put antiques, or Georgian glasses, or antique Spode, or Russian silver spoons, etc

    So I might be a really beautiful fossil. I have a Murano chalice which would really cradle a fossil exquisitely. Where the fuck does one buy great fossils? Willing to spend a couple of grand or more
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,988

    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.



    It disorientates and confuses.

    Yet that might be no bad thing as long as your side knows what its aiming to do and how it is trying to do it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 66,910

    Leon said:

    Find Out Now 4-6 Mar
    Ref 27 (+1)
    Green 21 (+3)
    Con 17 (-1)
    Lab 15 (=)
    LD 10 (-2)

    Polling from BMG mirrors the recent dip for Reform (4 to 5 March)

    Ref 27 (-5)
    Lab 20 (=)
    Con 18 (+1)
    Grn 14 (+1)
    LD 12 (+1)

    Either of these is quite believable which reflects the softness of the vote for both Labour and the Greens.
    Labour FOURTH with FoN

    lol

    I know this is not a first time, but it's still hilarious. Also surely historic. A government with a landslide result coming FOURTH in polls 18 months later. I doubt we have seen that before in the history of universal UK suffrage - ie ever
    The closest analogy is probably Teresa Mays Tories 4th with YouGov 2 years after she 'almost' won a majority
    Well, exactly. She didn't win in the first place

    Labour have set an unenviable record. The first British party to win a majority at a general election then come FOURTH in polls 18 months later
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 17,938

    Sandpit said:

    FF43 said:

    Rory Johnston
    @Rory_Johnston

    As someone who routinely mocks permabullish clickbait oil forecasts, I want to be exceptionally clear:

    Crude WILL go to $200/bbl, en route higher, unless traffic through the Strait resumes.

    Not clickbait, but rather brutal physics and necessary economic incentives.

    https://x.com/Rory_Johnston/status/2029941755395621357


    Similarly this guy https://bsky.app/profile/robin-j-brooks.bsky.social thinks it takes just one drone attack on a tanker as it passes by Iranian territory to bring the trade to a halt, and there is no way America can stop that single drone attack.

    Which implies Hormuz will only be open again if the Iranians want it to be. And that implies in turn a deal between America and whoever is in charge in Iran.
    It means getting rid of the Iranian navy (job pretty much done already), then getting sufficient air and sea assets in place around the Straight to defend against anything incoming.

    In practice that means first taking out all known fixed launch facilities, then getting in to place a number of warships, with aircraft and helicopter support, as well as ground-based and sea-based SAM air defence systems, overseen by AWACS and satellite-based surveillance.

    The US could do it, and the GCC states would be happy to assist if it keeps the oil flowing.
    The IRGC navy is still largely intact, and would be the ones to be doing this in any case.
    Do we know that? What have the B1 and B52 bombers been doing if not twatting everything that might hold a vessel? Sure, it needs only to be small vessels that can lay mines. But anything getting even a mile off the coast of Iran is a total failure of the US and Israeli air forces and navies.
    I heard this from an ex military geopol expert today.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 19,241
    edited March 6

    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.



    It disorientates and confuses.

    Yet that might be no bad thing as long as your side knows what its aiming to do and how it is trying to do it.
    No-one knows what Trump is aiming to do or how, not even Trump.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 7,187
    Scott_xP said:

    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.

    @FirstSquawk

    AXIOS: RUBIO TOLD ARAB FOREIGN MINISTERS THAT WASHINGTON'S GOAL IS NOT REGIME CHANGE AND THAT IT WANTS DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO RUN THE COUNTRY
    Isn’t that regime change ?

    Rubio is another fxckwit .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 16,258
    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Just LOL.

    Leavitt now saying that unconditional surrender means whatever Donald Trump decides it means.

    It doesn't actually have to involve a surrender.

    This is bloody alice in wonderland and the Red Queen world now.

    @FirstSquawk

    AXIOS: RUBIO TOLD ARAB FOREIGN MINISTERS THAT WASHINGTON'S GOAL IS NOT REGIME CHANGE AND THAT IT WANTS DIFFERENT PEOPLE TO RUN THE COUNTRY
    Isn’t that regime change ?

    Rubio is another fxckwit .
    Regime amendment
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 90,339
    "Special Military Operation " != War

    "Different people leading the country" != Regime Change

    Alterative Facts.
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