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  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,775
    Good to see Scotland back in the World Cup finals 👍
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252
    Fair play that’s a good hit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    OM fucking G
  • FIGHT

    WIN
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,348

    Wondering why a load of England fans are apparently supporting Scotland vs Denmark. I'm neutral at best. And probably support Macedonia vs Wales.

    Thank you, I've been wondering who Scotland was playing but didn't like to ask in view of the tension.
  • DavidL said:

    Are you not entertained?

    One of the most incredible games I have ever seen.
    Amazing and has our Scots family elated after near despair
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252

    Good to see Scotland back in the World Cup finals 👍

    Just hope they don’t get as carried away as 1978.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,955
    DavidL said:

    Are you not entertained?

    One of the most incredible games I have ever seen.
    Also one of the most terrifying. Scotland! Why? Every. Single. Time. Still, I can't deny it is fantastic to finally get back to the finals.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,874
    Oi Solarflare, you are not JD Vance.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,797
    Barnesian said:

    TimS said:

    Barnesian said:

    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Eabhal said:

    Nigelb said:

    As a result of the investigation, we now know it was the Russian Secret Services that commissioned the blast of the Polish railway and recruited two Ukrainians to do it. We also know the identities of the perpetrators who immediately fled Poland for Belarus.
    https://x.com/donaldtusk/status/1990818892491395549

    The most dangerous thing Europe has done over the last decade is let Russia do stuff like this without a response. Now we have no idea where the line will be drawn, and so the risk of miscalculation and escalation is much higher.

    I'm fed up with our timorous leaders. This sabotage is a direct result of us doing nothing about the repeated intrusions into NATO airspace. Next it will be a few metres of Estonia.
    I don't recollect that we did much about the Salisbury 'tourists'.
    Wasn't much, IIRC, we could have done. Those responsible had b******d off out of the country well before anything was found. All we could do was fume impotently and, IIRC blame Jeremy Corbyn for not fuming similarly.
    It wasn't 'not fuming,' it was denying Russian involvement while hinting the British government had carried out the operation itself.

    Which was a totally insane position to adopt, and along with the increasingly damaging revelations about his long history of antisemitic behaviour did a great deal to explode the nice guy image he had been carefully building up.
    Your memory is better than mine. Must be my age!

    I've still got a soft 'political' spot for Corbyn, though, I don't think he's seriously anti-semitic. Remember, Arabs are Semitic.
    I remember that Jeremy Corbyn's comments that caused significant trouble were his initial refusal to unequivocally and immediately blame the Russian state. He wanted evidence first.
    He wanted to send the samples to Russia for testing.
    That's true. I remember. A bit bizarre. I think the Russians asked for samples. I don't know what their game was.
    To create false “results” that they could then throw into the social media machine to create doubt and confusion
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Trading bet Scotland world cup winners - 300/1

  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285
    Pro_Rata said:

    Oi Solarflare, you are not JD Vance.

    Or am I?

    I'm not.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,037
    Well, that was exciting!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,689

    Good to see Scotland back in the World Cup finals 👍

    Just hope they don’t get as carried away as 1978.
    It all went pear shaped when Willie Johnston self medicated.

    We're the lads we're Ally's army, we're going to the Argentine. And we'll really shake 'em up when we win the World Cup...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,816
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "MPs are told that Beijing is ‘relentless’ in trying to ‘interfere with our processes and influence activity at parliament’"

    https://www.thetimes.com

    The speaker went on to announce that MI6 has recently determined the the potentate of a small Italian microstate is a Catholic.
    Is this not about some MPs being asleep or having blind spots, so MI6 has repeatedly to explain that one plus one equals two, and that yes that is an elephant sitting in the corner of the room?
    Some people snuck phones in that played the sounds of women orgasming into the HOC. Talk about blind spots.
    Oh, you know *exactly* what the noises were? You must have some very interesting, or at least naughty, friends.
    Er .... YES !!! He probably does.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955

    I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!

    A famous scene from Trainspotting of course.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,640
    As an Arsenal fan I’m very happy for Kieran Tierney who was never given a chance at the club. Well done Scotland . But OMG the poor fans must be emotionally shattered . What a rollercoaster!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252

    Trading bet Scotland world cup winners - 300/1

    A better bet is to get out of the group. With the revamped format it’s 48 down to 32, so up to three from a group will progress.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    Andy_JS said:

    That was one of the best football matches for a long time.

    It was and the Danes played their part. They were very lucky to get the penalty and they were extremely unlucky to go down to 10 men. They had a lot of chances, Hojland especially. Could have gone either way to be honest. Just a complete roller coaster.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    edited November 18
    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Hold the front page!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Scotland now 50/1
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,736

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the World Cup, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Behave, tonight isn’t about politics.
    Something to remember the next time Scotland fans are cheering England's opposition.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,816

    I need a third sofa now for the remainder.

    JD Vance has a spare one from his foursome.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Finally, some good news.
  • Well, that Scottish victory was never in doubt.
  • HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the World Cup, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Behave, tonight isn’t about politics.
    Something to remember the next time Scotland fans are cheering England's opposition.
    Scotland story is a bigger one than the Epstein release - no doubt that is the right news choice by BBC. Apart from anything else Epstein has to make it through the Senate yet.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,037
    Blimey, that was some game.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    edited November 18

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,037
    I feel drained.

    A bit like Bill Cli... [That's enough - Ed]
  • MattWMattW Posts: 30,816
    edited November 18
    For those recovering from football, the algorithm threw an interesting video at me about the taxonomy of different head coverings worn by women in the Hasidic Jewish community, and their significance.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpvxg8DEjVI

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,037
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    Sometimes HY you entirely mistake the zeitgeist.
  • HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    You need to understand everything is not always about politics and your little Englander anti Scots views
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,446
    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,281
    edited November 18

    Well, that Scottish victory was never in doubt.

    My £50 winnings are rapidly disappearing down my throat 🍻
    PS - Iraq are possibly only one game away from qualifying…
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,032
    edited November 18
    Having watched coverage tonight of Trump's press conference with the Saudi Crown Prince it only confirms my opinion of Trump. He is a vile human being. His treatment of the reporter for asking about the murder of Khashoggi was appalling. I don't know how the rest of the press corp just stood by and said nothing.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 7,048
    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641
    I can understand most of the complaints here, but it really loses me on the final sentence. If only the twitter handle could have warned me.

    Not letting your (surprise) delegates know about the conference you've been planning for months until 10 (ten) days before an event is quite hard to wrap your head around.

    And we still don't know what the agenda is for the conference! Will it be a discussion on perspectives and programme for the international class struggle? Will it debate questions of state power, strategy, world relations, and the economic crisis? Or will it be more organisational bickering?

    How can this be in any way described as democratic or member-led?

    I'm starting to notice a pattern on the left: those who talk the most and shout the loudest about organisational democracy are often the ones who struggle the most to implement it.

    All of this has given me a newfound appreciation for the necessity of genuine democratic centralism. Lenin was right 100 years ago, and he is right today.

    https://nitter.poast.org/bolsh3vik/status/1990813822714556924#m
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,037
    @SenatePPG

    By unanimous consent, the Senate will pass H.R. 4405 - Epstein Files Transparency Act as soon as the bill is received from the House.
  • And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,579

    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev1r8vee0eo

    "Line of Duty to return for seventh series on BBC"

    I take back all my anti-BBC comments.

    Are they going after Epstein?

    They were going after Trump, but then the Board heard...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,640
    Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    Trump would have done a deal with Hitler if it was worth enough . As for the GOP the search party is still out looking for their spine .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 26,795

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    https://youtu.be/c-_OTOkDtRk?si=Eg6aslaVzsWBqPHw
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    Well, I'm an average England fan and I think it's fantastic news and deserves to be top of the running board.

    It's self evidently more notable and therefore newsworthy!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641

    And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!

    Only way to stay warm in the barbarian lands.
  • Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    And he had the gall to brand Zelenskyy a "dictator".
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,428

    And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!

    Yes, Sir, I'm boogieing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641

    Having watched coverage tonight of Trump's press conference with the Saudi Crown Prince it only confirms my opinion of Trump. He is a vile human being. His treatment of the reporter for asking about the murder of Khashoggi was appalling. I don't know how the rest of the press corp just stood by and said nothing.

    Human beings can get used to awful things very quickly, it is one of our great strengths and weakness.

    I'm not sure how much I'd have to like someone's actions to look past that level of behaviour, but quite a bit. Of the Trump fans I do know only one is a full throated MAGA level fan, the other few tend to be more of the type to not comment on him as a person and just mildly raise how he is right about the important things.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    Very odd comment from HYUFD. I couldn't care a monkey's about the football, and it's not ignoring that I complain about - it's the shite the BBC produce about Scotland.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 262
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    To be fair sometimes the news can lead with pretty tedious sporting stories relating to England from time to time, news at 10 would lead on an England story on the physios girlfriend if she got a new cat. Time for another home nation to bask in success for the evening, Scotland is in the UK, Epstein was American

    It's not like Scotland will win the whole thing*

    *reverse psychology obvs. Actually I think Trump should engineer a final between his 2 home nations, USA and Scotland
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    Very odd comment from HYUFD. I couldn't care a monkey's about the football, and it's not ignoring that I complain about - it's the shite the BBC produce about Scotland.
    Most of their stories on Scotland are objective, except for diehard Nats like you!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529
    kle4 said:

    And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!

    Only way to stay warm in the barbarian lands.
    Snow has just fallen, covering the ground and roofs, at least for now. Wouldn't want to try dancing out on the ice.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,446
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    Trump would have done a deal with Hitler if it was worth enough . As for the GOP the search party is still out looking for their spine .
    For the first time I think they might just 25th him, for fear of how much worse it might get.

    Of course that puts them in the same bind the Democrats were with Biden - but his senility, if that's what it was, wasn't accompanied by reckless adventurism, or completely untethered by either law or morality.

    If they don't, the blue wave next year threatens to be a tsunami.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529
    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    Very odd comment from HYUFD. I couldn't care a monkey's about the football, and it's not ignoring that I complain about - it's the shite the BBC produce about Scotland.
    Most of their stories on Scotland are objective, except for diehard Nats like you!
    Well, just take this prize one which we discussed recently:

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/25596066.bbc-scotland-admits-error-copying-tories-anti-snp-ferry-claims/
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015
    Interesting column on Sir Keir’s troubles by Daniel Finkelstein, inspired by Steven Pinker’s new book. I’ve always liked Pinker, it surprised me that he is thought of as some kind of dangerous right winger. He thinks a lot about thinking and why choose to say what we say in the way we say it, which has always fascinated me

    Brilliant, typically subtle, column by @Dannythefink on what’s changed for the prime minister in the past week:

    It’s now common knowledge: Keir Starmer’s on the rocks

    thetimes.com/article/d6dc2a…

    https://x.com/alexmassie/status/1990859156383727639?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529
    edited November 18
    DoctorG said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    To be fair sometimes the news can lead with pretty tedious sporting stories relating to England from time to time, news at 10 would lead on an England story on the physios girlfriend if she got a new cat. Time for another home nation to bask in success for the evening, Scotland is in the UK, Epstein was American

    It's not like Scotland will win the whole thing*

    *reverse psychology obvs. Actually I think Trump should engineer a final between his 2 home nations, USA and Scotland
    Epstein a never-ending source of fascination for our Royalists such as HYUFD, though. Sort of honorary Brit from that point of view. So you can see why HYUFD is upset. No Pri-, sorry, Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor news this evening.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    I know you can't but it is hypocritical
  • HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    Very odd comment from HYUFD. I couldn't care a monkey's about the football, and it's not ignoring that I complain about - it's the shite the BBC produce about Scotland.
    Most of their stories on Scotland are objective, except for diehard Nats like you!
    I doubt you watch BBC Scotland to make that unnecessary comment
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015

    The BBC Scotland commentary for Kenny McLean’s halfway line goal is glorious. Stuff of dreams. 🔥https://x.com/eddieburfi/status/1990902487402926568?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Sorry, friend @HYUFD , but I can’t make that promise.
    I know you can't but it is hypocritical
    HYUFD would insist that if the BBC mention the Auchtermuchty Tiddlywinks Championship or the Stone Pile Making Championship (peripatetic) then we have a duty to accept every single thing the BBC says in all its Reithian mythos.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    Carnyx said:

    DoctorG said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    So the BBC news main story tonight across the UK is that Scotland have qualified for the football World Cup, not won the World Cup but qualified which England already did anyway, pushing even the Epstein files release vote to no 2 story.

    So can we have no more whinging from Scottish nats that the BBC ignores Scotland!

    Don't be ridiculous

    Scotland qualifying for the World Cup is the news tonight and especially the way it was won
    For Scots maybe, I doubt the average England football fan will see it as the main news but the BBC put it as such anyway.

    I highly doubt Scottish football fans cared when England qualified for the WC but given the BBC have made it the main story they can hardly complain next time a big England football win leads the news at least
    To be fair sometimes the news can lead with pretty tedious sporting stories relating to England from time to time, news at 10 would lead on an England story on the physios girlfriend if she got a new cat. Time for another home nation to bask in success for the evening, Scotland is in the UK, Epstein was American

    It's not like Scotland will win the whole thing*

    *reverse psychology obvs. Actually I think Trump should engineer a final between his 2 home nations, USA and Scotland
    Epstein a never-ending source of fascination for our Royalists such as HYUFD, though. Sort of honorary Brit from that point of view. So you can see why HYUFD is upset. No Pri-, sorry, Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor news this evening.
    No and of course plenty of Presidents, a PM and a former Cabinet minister and billionaires and an actor or 2 also in the files I suspect but it was the main current affairs story of the day. Other than Trump raging against an ABC news reporter for asking a horrible question of the Crown Prince of Saudi and disrespecting him too '“I think you are a terrible reporter. It's the way you ask these questions. You start off with a man who is highly respected, asking him a horrible, insubordinate and just a terrible question. You could even ask that same exact question nicely.”

    Trump continued: “You're all psyched. Somebody psychs you over at ABC, they're going to psych it — you're a terrible person and a terrible reporter. As far as the Epstein files is, I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein. I threw him out of my club many years ago because I thought he was a sick pervert.”
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-abc-reporter-saudi-arabia-epstein-question-b2867669.html
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Scott_xP said:

    @SenatePPG

    By unanimous consent, the Senate will pass H.R. 4405 - Epstein Files Transparency Act as soon as the bill is received from the House.

    The process for a bill to be transmitted from the House to the Senate typically takes a few hours and is overseen by the House clerk. Now that the Senate has agreed to automatically advance the bill to the president’s desk, it is possible that President Trump will have the opportunity to sign it into law this evening.

    NY Times blog
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    Trump would have done a deal with Hitler if it was worth enough . As for the GOP the search party is still out looking for their spine .
    For the first time I think they might just 25th him, for fear of how much worse it might get.

    Of course that puts them in the same bind the Democrats were with Biden - but his senility, if that's what it was, wasn't accompanied by reckless adventurism, or completely untethered by either law or morality.

    If they don't, the blue wave next year threatens to be a tsunami.
    If so I fear what they'll do to prevent it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Presumably Trump has a Plan B now Congress hasn't given him what he wants.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    Trump would have done a deal with Hitler if it was worth enough . As for the GOP the search party is still out looking for their spine .
    For the first time I think they might just 25th him, for fear of how much worse it might get.

    Of course that puts them in the same bind the Democrats were with Biden - but his senility, if that's what it was, wasn't accompanied by reckless adventurism, or completely untethered by either law or morality.

    If they don't, the blue wave next year threatens to be a tsunami.
    If so I fear what they'll do to prevent it.
    The 25th needs the Cabinet to remove him. They are all hand picked loyalists.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,037

    Presumably Trump has a Plan B now Congress hasn't given him what he wants.

    I understand the wording on the bill says all 'unclassified' materials

    So he can just protectively mark anything he doesn't want released
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 41,037

    The 25th needs the Cabinet to remove him. They are all hand picked loyalists.

    Dominoes...

    There has definitely been a shift this week
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,184
    Apparently Michael Prescott has issued a quickly-drafted complaint tonight about systematic pro-Scottish bias on the BBC.
    But Trump, who has been contacted for comment, says it's okay because he likes Scotland and has never heard of Denmark.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Scott_xP said:

    Presumably Trump has a Plan B now Congress hasn't given him what he wants.

    I understand the wording on the bill says all 'unclassified' materials

    So he can just protectively mark anything he doesn't want released
    And there's the "on-going" investigation stuff at the DoJ which will be used as an excuse.

    But this will all look terrible - blocking the will of Congress etc etc.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump calling a reporter "insubordinate" for asking him a question - the same question most of the country is asking - is perhaps the single defining image of his presidency.

    This is absolutely historic. Unbelievable. Listen to what this president say. I honestly think this press meeting is the end of him.
    https://x.com/Ryder56004614/status/1990845102470713699

    (Praising a guy, who had another journalist murdered and dismembered, for his human rights record is probably up there, too.)

    How much longer will the GOP collaborate in the national humiliation ?

    Trump would have done a deal with Hitler if it was worth enough . As for the GOP the search party is still out looking for their spine .
    For the first time I think they might just 25th him, for fear of how much worse it might get.

    Of course that puts them in the same bind the Democrats were with Biden - but his senility, if that's what it was, wasn't accompanied by reckless adventurism, or completely untethered by either law or morality.

    If they don't, the blue wave next year threatens to be a tsunami.
    If so I fear what they'll do to prevent it.
    The 25th needs the Cabinet to remove him. They are all hand picked loyalists.
    A lot of his first Cabinet actually had some lines they wouldn't cross it turned out, even if they were a long way off. He wasn't making that mistake again.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,640

    Presumably Trump has a Plan B now Congress hasn't given him what he wants.

    Option 1 . The DOJ says they can’t release the files as there’s an ongoing investigation into the Clinton’s etc.

    Option 2 . The files are released with anything incriminating for Trump removed and shredded .

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
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  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,390

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    Are the vast reserves of copper that we’ll need very soon undiscovered or hidden?
    OK.

    We know (roughly) where copper deposits are because of Induced Polarization - you go where metal might be, and they you apply a current. If it charges up and shows low resistivity, then you know it is highly likely you have found a copper deposit.

    Now you need to drill a bunch of core samples to delineate exactly what the extent of the find is. Then you need to work out whether it's economic to dig up the overburden (i.e. the ground ont top of the deposit).

    There is lots of copper. It's less common than silicon, aluminium or iron, but it's massively more common than -say- lead, silver or gold.

    We could almost certainly dig up - should we so desire - 10-100x as much copper annually as we do currently. It's just there's no need currently.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    'An MP who popped the question in the House of Commons says he and his partner "couldn't be happier".

    Josh Babarinde, the MP for Eastbourne, proposed to his partner Connor after official business had finished for the day.

    The Liberal Democrat, who has represented his home town in East Sussex since July last year, says he planned the surprise proposal after securing permission from the Commons' Speaker.

    Babarinde says he and Connor "will never forget" their engagement day.

    He said: "A big thank you to Mr Speaker and the team in parliament for helping to make this happen, together with fellow Sussex [Chichester] MP Jess Brown-Fuller, who helped me plan an unforgettable marriage proposal!"

    Babarinde says it was "so special to ask a personal question" in the House of Commons, having asked hundreds as Eastbourne's MP.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpwvgg9vnv4o
  • Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!

    Only way to stay warm in the barbarian lands.
    Snow has just fallen, covering the ground and roofs, at least for now. Wouldn't want to try dancing out on the ice.
    Dancing On Ice!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,497
    "Congressman Clay Higgins
    3h

    I have been a principled “NO” on this bill from the beginning. What was wrong with the bill three months ago is still wrong today. It abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America. As written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people – witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc. If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files, released to a rabid media, will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt. Not by my vote. The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case. That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans. If the Senate amends the bill to properly address privacy of victims and other Americans, who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House."

    https://www.facebook.com/CongressmanClayHiggins/posts/i-have-been-a-principled-no-on-this-bill-from-the-beginning-what-was-wrong-with-/1404849451013106
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 262

    Apparently Michael Prescott has issued a quickly-drafted complaint tonight about systematic pro-Scottish bias on the BBC.
    But Trump, who has been contacted for comment, says it's okay because he likes Scotland and has never heard of Denmark.

    I half wonder if Trump asked Denmark to go easy on his mother's homeland and he will let them keep Greenland
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542

    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    Is there any living ex PM with more gravitas and authority now than Major? Nobody would have believed that in 1997 and he certainly has more authority than Starmer now too
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    President Trump is prepared to sign the Epstein files bill as soon as it arrives at his desk, a White House official said.

    NY Times blog

  • John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    The age of 'back to basics' and four years of adultery with Edwina Currie.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,602

    Having watched coverage tonight of Trump's press conference with the Saudi Crown Prince it only confirms my opinion of Trump. He is a vile human being. His treatment of the reporter for asking about the murder of Khashoggi was appalling. I don't know how the rest of the press corp just stood by and said nothing.

    Most journalists are morally compromised by the need to maintain access to politicians, and by the need to stay in the good books of the people who own their employers. Trump has been treated with kid gloves by most of the press for the last decade or so, the press made his victories easier than they should have been. The sanewashing of Trump, done in the UK as well, has been reprehensible.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,617
    HYUFD said:

    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    Is there any living ex PM with more gravitas and authority now than Major? Nobody would have believed that in 1997 and he certainly has more authority than Starmer now too
    It alarms and depresses me that the 'comedy PM' of 'Cones Hotline' fame is now our senior elder statesman. And yet here we are.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    "If Keir Starmer were a household appliance, what household appliance would he be? “An ironing board. Stiff and lifeless. Things just run over him and he gets flattened;” “A Hoover that cleans up the small things, but the big issues are always still there;” “A whisk, because he keeps going round in circles;” “A hairdryer on a very low setting.”

    What about Kemi Badenoch? “A rolling pin. She’s trying to smooth everything out, but the pastry’s breaking because it’s full of cracks;” “A breadmaker. It’s there in the cupboard but you never take it out.”

    And Nigel Farage? “A ninja blender. He’d get things done quicker;” “A car alarm that keeps going off;” “One of those hobs where you can’t tell if it’s still really hot. If you put your hand on it, you’re going to get burned;” “An air fryer. It’s new and everyone is jumping on the bandwagon. But there are still a few people that are a bit unsure and want to stick to their old oven.”

    How about Ed Davey? “A comfy armchair;” “One of those singing fish things. A Billy Bass. It makes you laugh for a minute or so but then you forget about it because the battery’s gone.”
    https://conservativehome.com/2025/11/18/lord-ashcroft-theyre-going-to-tax-everyone-thats-doing-well-you-think-whats-the-point-of-trying-my-latest-focus-groups/
  • HYUFD said:

    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    Is there any living ex PM with more gravitas and authority now than Major? Nobody would have believed that in 1997 and he certainly has more authority than Starmer now too
    Every PM ex Truss has more authority than Starmer
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,617

    Carnyx said:

    kle4 said:

    And they'll be dancing in the streets of Scotland tonight!

    Only way to stay warm in the barbarian lands.
    Snow has just fallen, covering the ground and roofs, at least for now. Wouldn't want to try dancing out on the ice.
    Dancing On Ice!
    You are the BBC head of programming, and I claim my five pounds!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 131,542
    edited November 18
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    Is there any living ex PM with more gravitas and authority now than Major? Nobody would have believed that in 1997 and he certainly has more authority than Starmer now too
    It alarms and depresses me that the 'comedy PM' of 'Cones Hotline' fame is now our senior elder statesman. And yet here we are.
    Looking back on it his premiership was overall relatively successful, he left low inflation, a balanced budget and low unemployment and a growing economy for New Labour and when he went to war with Saddam in 1990 it was with a UN mandate. Plus he started the NI peace process, got an opt out from the Euro and left the National Lottery which has made a big difference to our Olympians and boosted cultural causes too.

  • Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    Are the vast reserves of copper that we’ll need very soon undiscovered or hidden?
    No.
  • Good to see Scotland back in the World Cup finals 👍

    Just hope they don’t get as carried away as 1978.
    It all went pear shaped when Willie Johnston self medicated.

    We're the lads we're Ally's army, we're going to the Argentine. And we'll really shake 'em up when we win the World Cup...
    It had gone pear shaped before Scotland had even arrived in Argentina:

    Scotland 1 : 1 Northern Ireland
    Scotland 1 : 1 Wales
    Scotland 0 : 1 England

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1977–78_British_Home_Championship
  • HYUFD said:

    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    Is there any living ex PM with more gravitas and authority now than Major? Nobody would have believed that in 1997 and he certainly has more authority than Starmer now too
    It alarms and depresses me that the 'comedy PM' of 'Cones Hotline' fame is now our senior elder statesman. And yet here we are.
    Looking back on it his premiership was overall relatively successful, he left low inflation, a balanced budget and low unemployment and a growing economy for New Labour and when he went to war with Saddam in 1990 it was with a UN mandate. Plus he started the NI peace process, got an opt out from the Euro and left the National Lottery which has made a big difference to our Olympians and boosted cultural causes too.

    got an opt out from the Euro

    How do you get an opt out from something which didn't exist ?

    Not joining the Euro was the default situation, opting into the Euro would have been the change.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,617

    Having watched coverage tonight of Trump's press conference with the Saudi Crown Prince it only confirms my opinion of Trump. He is a vile human being. His treatment of the reporter for asking about the murder of Khashoggi was appalling. I don't know how the rest of the press corp just stood by and said nothing.

    I think it's because their jobs depend on them being spoon-fed a diet of 'here's what Trump said' or "he said she said they said'.

    And of course storing quotes for their hoped-for post-Trump podcast series.
  • Scott_xP said:

    ...

    That's a very cheap way to pile up the Likes, Scott! :)
  • John Major. Like a voice from a lost age...



    If the law loses its authority, the bully walks tall & the lawless walk free..

    https://x.com/Haggis_UK/status/1990870610059165972

    The age of 'back to basics' and four years of adultery with Edwina Currie.
    "Put up or shut up!" :lol:
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