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  • ydoethur said:

    If it is true, as Polly Toynbee in Guardian asserts, that Reeves backed out of her 2p income tax rise at the "command" of Downing Street, why didn't save some dignity and resign?

    Integrity has disappeared from politics
    That is as may be, but remember however that Boris Johnson got all the big calls right.
    No he didn't and you know that

    Silly remark
    Sarcastic remark, possibly?
    Hardly sarcastic.

    It was one of the comfort blankets that BoJo apologists held onto during the trauma of 2022. "Boris may have been tricked into saying something untrue, he may have technically broken the rules the government set, but he got the Big Calls right". Those Big Calls were usually enumerated as Brexit, COVID and Ukraine, for what they are worth.
  • Well. That's how you start a big game.

    Aye
  • isam said:

    Fuck mine McTominay!

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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford

    MI5 has taken the unusual step of sending MPs and peers this cut-out and keep guide to how to avoid being targeted by Chinese spies

    It says that the Chinese Ministry of State Security is offering 'large financial incentives for seemingly low-level information' just to build relationships

    It is targeting those who are 'one step removed' from MPs and peers, who it says are the 'ultimate target'

    'Parliament staff, economists, think tank employees, geo-political consultants and those working alongside HMG have been targeted for their network, including MPs and members of the House of Lords'

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1990855658262917455
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015
    SandraMc said:

    I’m disappointed by this place

    This morning I came up with a very rude political Spoonerism: stunt karma

    I then made up a phrase including it: political stunt karma (a phrase appreciated by @Benpointer )

    I then found a very recent and topical example of k*** Starma’s political stunts leading to karma

    And nobody replied with any sort of acknowledgment of the Spoonerism

    PBers are a tough crowd, the amount of times they’ve all missed my subtle puns/musical references is astonishing.
    Have we had Keir-less Whisper?

    Re Farage: he was in the same class at school as my local Rector. The Rector hasn't mentioned any racism from Farage but says Farage was a loner and unpopular, an academic low flyer, only good at debating.
    I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the claims about Farage at school had a fair bit of truth about them. Racism was far more common then, and someone who is now an outspoken, right of centre politician is bound to have been saying offensive stuff. It probably will lose him some votes.

    I think it’s similar to centrist Labour politicians being Marxists or communists in their youth. There’s still an element of it in them, but they’ve mellowed with age.and wouldn’t necessarily agree with their teenage selves now
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,085

    ydoethur said:

    If it is true, as Polly Toynbee in Guardian asserts, that Reeves backed out of her 2p income tax rise at the "command" of Downing Street, why didn't save some dignity and resign?

    Integrity has disappeared from politics
    That is as may be, but remember however that Boris Johnson got all the big calls right.
    No he didn't and you know that

    Silly remark
    Sarcastic remark, possibly?
    Hardly sarcastic.

    It was one of the comfort blankets that BoJo apologists held onto during the trauma of 2022. "Boris may have been tricked into saying something untrue, he may have technically broken the rules the government set, but he got the Big Calls right". Those Big Calls were usually enumerated as Brexit, COVID and Ukraine, for what they are worth.
    Err..yes, but look at who the poster is. Not exactly a Johnsonite.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,575

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Not sure if this has been discussed but Sky Bet is moving its head office to Malta to avoid Reeves betting tax

    It looks as though General Betting Duty (the tax on horse and greyhound racing profits) will remain unchanged after strong lobbying from both codes.

    Remote Gaming Duty (the tax paid on the Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBTs)) in betting shops may well rise and it's indicative of the significance of the latter the bookies are still threatening to close shops, make redundancies, move HQ locations, etc, etc.

    We'll see whehter bark and bite applies here and whether there will be any significant reductions in the betting shop estate - Sky Bet have no physical presence and operate purely online so the impact of moving the HQ will be limited but it's clearly a tax avoidance tactic.

    I suspect far more of Sky Bet's income is derived from gaming than from betting on dogs and horses.
    Sky Bet is now owned by Flutter, along with Betfair and Paddy Power.
    The question then becomes whether Paddy Power (who have two shops in East Ham High Street) will decide to retrench their retail estate in the light of taxational changes and whether this will be co-ordinated with Entain and other groups.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 36,037
    isam said:

    Fuck mine McTominay!

    Seems like an overly generous offer tbh.
  • Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Not sure if this has been discussed but Sky Bet is moving its head office to Malta to avoid Reeves betting tax

    It looks as though General Betting Duty (the tax on horse and greyhound racing profits) will remain unchanged after strong lobbying from both codes.

    Remote Gaming Duty (the tax paid on the Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBTs)) in betting shops may well rise and it's indicative of the significance of the latter the bookies are still threatening to close shops, make redundancies, move HQ locations, etc, etc.

    We'll see whehter bark and bite applies here and whether there will be any significant reductions in the betting shop estate - Sky Bet have no physical presence and operate purely online so the impact of moving the HQ will be limited but it's clearly a tax avoidance tactic.

    I suspect far more of Sky Bet's income is derived from gaming than from betting on dogs and horses.
    Sky Bet is now owned by Flutter, along with Betfair and Paddy Power.
    The question then becomes whether Paddy Power (who have two shops in East Ham High Street) will decide to retrench their retail estate in the light of taxational changes and whether this will be co-ordinated with Entain and other groups.
    i an sure I have shared this before, but FWIW, my policy on FOBT’s

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2024/12/policy-on-fobts.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,579
    edited November 18
    MikeL said:

    Epstein Files Bill passes the House:

    Yes: 427
    No: 1

    Not a typo - ONE vote against!

    I did say 50 Republican rebels was going to be a significant underestimate!

    And they closed down government for weeks - for THIS outcome? Methinks the Speaker has some questions to answer.

    Now the same in the Senate please - a veto-proof margin looks nailed on. Then down to shenanigans about "would love to release, but ongoing investigation into Democrats..." Which nobody will wear, least of all MAGA.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,348
    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Epstein Files Bill passes the House:

    Yes: 427
    No: 1

    Not a typo - ONE vote against!

    Ok, so -

    Who is the person who didn't want the files released?

    Dare I guess it is an older man...
    Just somebody who pressed the wrong button?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,085
    AnneJGP said:

    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Epstein Files Bill passes the House:

    Yes: 427
    No: 1

    Not a typo - ONE vote against!

    Ok, so -

    Who is the person who didn't want the files released?

    Dare I guess it is an older man...
    Just somebody who pressed the wrong button?
    Never heard it called that before!
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 62,390
    nico67 said:


    In blow to Trump, federal judges block new Texas congressional map

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/18/federal-judges-block-new-texas-congressional-map-00656680

    I wonder what California will do now ? Their change was in retaliation for the Texas change . Of course there might be appeals by Texas so there’s still a chance the new maps go into effect .
    The California map is contingent on the Texas map. If the Texas map is pulled, then the California one automatically goes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,827
    Here's something annoying. My train is running late, so it looks like I will miss my connection at Leeds. According to the Working Timetable it is an 11 minute connection, above the 10 minute minimum at Leeds for official connections. However, in the public timetable it is only 9 minutes, so not an official connection so I will not be entitled to Delay Repay. Grrr.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,446
    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump's deportations have turned some Hispanics against him, that was certainly the case in New Jersey in the mini midterms

    Actually, I think it's a little more complex than that.

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of "the wall".

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of deporting undocumented migrants who have committed criminal offences.

    Many Hispanic voters are more ... nuanced when it comes to deporting Hispanic voters who are otherwise law abiding citizens in the US.

    Most Histpanic voters oppose the deportation of those who have strong ties to the US, and perhaps came here via DACA and who are married to US spouses, and have US childtrn.

    And almost all Hispanic voters oppose them getting accosted by ICE outside Walmart and being made to prove they are American.

    The second to last one is a surprisingly big category. There are many, many millions of people who are in the US with ambigious status. Let me give you an example: a property developer friend of mine in LA is a British citizen on a Green Card, with an American wife. But here's the thing. He came on a tourist visa. Fell in love. Married a woman. And applied for a Green Card. But there was a period of about four or five months when he was in the US on an expired tourist visa, married to an American and before his Green Card was granted. He could definitely be deported, because - under current US immigration rules - that prior breach means that his Green Card may be invalid. Now, he's a wealthy guy with great lawyers, and he's racing to get his US citizenship. But there are a lot of people like that who are being deported so as to get the numbers up. And a lot of them are Hispanic.
    I think a further one is that the authorities have been targeting Hispanics for random detention and deportation, since they are detectible by skin colour.

    A lot of Hispanics have relatives, friends or acquaintances who have been impacted m, or at least have seen conmvincing media reports.

    That's the "Who? ME?" factor.
    I agree: I think it's the one thing that really grates - the possibility you could be detained essentially based only on your skin colour
    What really grates is that it's not infrequently a reality rather than possibility.

    And the SC has ruled that it's fine to profile based on appearance (ie apparent ethnicity) for immigration check stops.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,579

    isam said:

    Fuck mine McTominay!

    Seems like an overly generous offer tbh.
    You'd have to worry what he gets for a hat-trick!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,579

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Working with a couple of guys setting up a crypto, based on being underpinned by mineral reserves in the ground. Could mine it if really had to, but in an ideal world it makes money just underpinning the currency. Especially where the reserves are in a sensitive area/public opposition to extraction.

    Rather like having a crypto underpinned by the the gold standard....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,085
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump's deportations have turned some Hispanics against him, that was certainly the case in New Jersey in the mini midterms

    Actually, I think it's a little more complex than that.

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of "the wall".

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of deporting undocumented migrants who have committed criminal offences.

    Many Hispanic voters are more ... nuanced when it comes to deporting Hispanic voters who are otherwise law abiding citizens in the US.

    Most Histpanic voters oppose the deportation of those who have strong ties to the US, and perhaps came here via DACA and who are married to US spouses, and have US childtrn.

    And almost all Hispanic voters oppose them getting accosted by ICE outside Walmart and being made to prove they are American.

    The second to last one is a surprisingly big category. There are many, many millions of people who are in the US with ambigious status. Let me give you an example: a property developer friend of mine in LA is a British citizen on a Green Card, with an American wife. But here's the thing. He came on a tourist visa. Fell in love. Married a woman. And applied for a Green Card. But there was a period of about four or five months when he was in the US on an expired tourist visa, married to an American and before his Green Card was granted. He could definitely be deported, because - under current US immigration rules - that prior breach means that his Green Card may be invalid. Now, he's a wealthy guy with great lawyers, and he's racing to get his US citizenship. But there are a lot of people like that who are being deported so as to get the numbers up. And a lot of them are Hispanic.
    I think a further one is that the authorities have been targeting Hispanics for random detention and deportation, since they are detectible by skin colour.

    A lot of Hispanics have relatives, friends or acquaintances who have been impacted m, or at least have seen conmvincing media reports.

    That's the "Who? ME?" factor.
    I agree: I think it's the one thing that really grates - the possibility you could be detained essentially based only on your skin colour
    What really grates is that it's not infrequently a reality rather than possibility.

    And the SC has ruled that it's fine to profile based on appearance (ie apparent ethnicity) for immigration check stops.
    I wonder if some mischievous copper will apply that to Clarence Thomas?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 56,579
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump's deportations have turned some Hispanics against him, that was certainly the case in New Jersey in the mini midterms

    Actually, I think it's a little more complex than that.

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of "the wall".

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of deporting undocumented migrants who have committed criminal offences.

    Many Hispanic voters are more ... nuanced when it comes to deporting Hispanic voters who are otherwise law abiding citizens in the US.

    Most Histpanic voters oppose the deportation of those who have strong ties to the US, and perhaps came here via DACA and who are married to US spouses, and have US childtrn.

    And almost all Hispanic voters oppose them getting accosted by ICE outside Walmart and being made to prove they are American.

    The second to last one is a surprisingly big category. There are many, many millions of people who are in the US with ambigious status. Let me give you an example: a property developer friend of mine in LA is a British citizen on a Green Card, with an American wife. But here's the thing. He came on a tourist visa. Fell in love. Married a woman. And applied for a Green Card. But there was a period of about four or five months when he was in the US on an expired tourist visa, married to an American and before his Green Card was granted. He could definitely be deported, because - under current US immigration rules - that prior breach means that his Green Card may be invalid. Now, he's a wealthy guy with great lawyers, and he's racing to get his US citizenship. But there are a lot of people like that who are being deported so as to get the numbers up. And a lot of them are Hispanic.
    I think a further one is that the authorities have been targeting Hispanics for random detention and deportation, since they are detectible by skin colour.

    A lot of Hispanics have relatives, friends or acquaintances who have been impacted m, or at least have seen conmvincing media reports.

    That's the "Who? ME?" factor.
    I agree: I think it's the one thing that really grates - the possibility you could be detained essentially based only on your skin colour
    What really grates is that it's not infrequently a reality rather than possibility.

    And the SC has ruled that it's fine to profile based on appearance (ie apparent ethnicity) for immigration check stops.
    I wonder if some mischievous copper will apply that to Clarence Thomas?
    He's a villian, Sir....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 76,085

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    MattW said:

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump's deportations have turned some Hispanics against him, that was certainly the case in New Jersey in the mini midterms

    Actually, I think it's a little more complex than that.

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of "the wall".

    Most Hispanic voters are in favour of deporting undocumented migrants who have committed criminal offences.

    Many Hispanic voters are more ... nuanced when it comes to deporting Hispanic voters who are otherwise law abiding citizens in the US.

    Most Histpanic voters oppose the deportation of those who have strong ties to the US, and perhaps came here via DACA and who are married to US spouses, and have US childtrn.

    And almost all Hispanic voters oppose them getting accosted by ICE outside Walmart and being made to prove they are American.

    The second to last one is a surprisingly big category. There are many, many millions of people who are in the US with ambigious status. Let me give you an example: a property developer friend of mine in LA is a British citizen on a Green Card, with an American wife. But here's the thing. He came on a tourist visa. Fell in love. Married a woman. And applied for a Green Card. But there was a period of about four or five months when he was in the US on an expired tourist visa, married to an American and before his Green Card was granted. He could definitely be deported, because - under current US immigration rules - that prior breach means that his Green Card may be invalid. Now, he's a wealthy guy with great lawyers, and he's racing to get his US citizenship. But there are a lot of people like that who are being deported so as to get the numbers up. And a lot of them are Hispanic.
    I think a further one is that the authorities have been targeting Hispanics for random detention and deportation, since they are detectible by skin colour.

    A lot of Hispanics have relatives, friends or acquaintances who have been impacted m, or at least have seen conmvincing media reports.

    That's the "Who? ME?" factor.
    I agree: I think it's the one thing that really grates - the possibility you could be detained essentially based only on your skin colour
    What really grates is that it's not infrequently a reality rather than possibility.

    And the SC has ruled that it's fine to profile based on appearance (ie apparent ethnicity) for immigration check stops.
    I wonder if some mischievous copper will apply that to Clarence Thomas?
    He's a villian, Sir....
    Well, he certainly possesses an offensive wife.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 4,348
    ydoethur said:

    AnneJGP said:

    ydoethur said:

    MikeL said:

    Epstein Files Bill passes the House:

    Yes: 427
    No: 1

    Not a typo - ONE vote against!

    Ok, so -

    Who is the person who didn't want the files released?

    Dare I guess it is an older man...
    Just somebody who pressed the wrong button?
    Never heard it called that before!
    Do they actually have voting lobbies like the Commons?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 46,529
    edited November 18
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "MPs are told that Beijing is ‘relentless’ in trying to ‘interfere with our processes and influence activity at parliament’"

    https://www.thetimes.com

    The speaker went on to announce that MI6 has recently determined the the potentate of a small Italian microstate is a Catholic.
    Is this not about some MPs being asleep or having blind spots, so MI6 has repeatedly to explain that one plus one equals two, and that yes that is an elephant sitting in the corner of the room?
    Some people snuck phones in that played the sounds of women orgasming into the HOC. Talk about blind spots.
    Oh, you know *exactly* what the noises were? You must have some very interesting, or at least naughty, friends.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    It was Clay Higgins and it was no accident. He said:

    "I have been a principled “NO” on this bill from the beginning. What was wrong with the bill three months ago is still wrong today. It abandons 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America. As written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people – witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc. If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files, released to a rabid media, will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt. Not by my vote. The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case. That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans. If the Senate amends the bill to properly address privacy of victims and other Americans, who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House."

    To be honest he has a point and credit to him standing by his principles.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,025

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1990839006171472256

    Trump suggests Khashoggi had it coming: "You're mentioning someone that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. You don't have to embarrass our guest."

    Just about the most despicable thing he's said amid a lorryload of deplorable rubbish

    Its a new low, even for Trump.
    The clock though finally seems to be clicking on his baleful time in public life.

    Maybe I am an idiot but I'm starting to think the corner has been turned.
    It might be wishcasting (I have form on this with Trump) but me too. This can't go on for another three years. It's not a tenable state of affairs. I just hope it ends with some things still intact.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,689
    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1990839006171472256

    Trump suggests Khashoggi had it coming: "You're mentioning someone that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. You don't have to embarrass our guest."

    Just about the most despicable thing he's said amid a lorryload of deplorable rubbish

    Its a new low, even for Trump.
    The clock though finally seems to be clicking on his baleful time in public life.

    Maybe I am an idiot but I'm starting to think the corner has been turned.
    It might be wishcasting (I have form on this with Trump) but me too. This can't go on for another three years. It's not a tenable state of affairs. I just hope it ends with some things still intact.
    I suspect you might have to rely on the Grim Reaper.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,587
    edited November 18

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 48,025

    kinabalu said:

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1990839006171472256

    Trump suggests Khashoggi had it coming: "You're mentioning someone that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. You don't have to embarrass our guest."

    Just about the most despicable thing he's said amid a lorryload of deplorable rubbish

    Its a new low, even for Trump.
    The clock though finally seems to be clicking on his baleful time in public life.

    Maybe I am an idiot but I'm starting to think the corner has been turned.
    It might be wishcasting (I have form on this with Trump) but me too. This can't go on for another three years. It's not a tenable state of affairs. I just hope it ends with some things still intact.
    I suspect you might have to rely on the Grim Reaper.
    Well that's one way. But there are others. Including those 'unknown unknowns'.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,955

    If it is true, as Polly Toynbee in Guardian asserts, that Reeves backed out of her 2p income tax rise at the "command" of Downing Street, why didn't save some dignity and resign?

    Integrity has disappeared from politics
    That is as may be, but remember however that Boris Johnson got all the big calls right.
    Um... he turned the moderate Tories into the snow, creating a ludicrous reality-denying, populist fiasco, and all to defend his disastrous judgement on Brexit, for which both he and Farage should be left in the political stocks for the rest of their lives.

    As for Ukraine, he claims vast credit, but that is, quite frankly, stolen valor .
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,587

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Working with a couple of guys setting up a crypto, based on being underpinned by mineral reserves in the ground. Could mine it if really had to, but in an ideal world it makes money just underpinning the currency. Especially where the reserves are in a sensitive area/public opposition to extraction.

    Rather like having a crypto underpinned by the the gold standard....
    Surely, a cryptocurrency backed by all the gold in South East Asia stolen by the Imperial Japanese Army and buried in the Philippines is the traditional pitch?

    {Enoch Root has entered the chat}
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,689
    Cicero said:

    If it is true, as Polly Toynbee in Guardian asserts, that Reeves backed out of her 2p income tax rise at the "command" of Downing Street, why didn't save some dignity and resign?

    Integrity has disappeared from politics
    That is as may be, but remember however that Boris Johnson got all the big calls right.
    Um... he turned the moderate Tories into the snow, creating a ludicrous reality-denying, populist fiasco, and all to defend his disastrous judgement on Brexit, for which both he and Farage should be left in the political stocks for the rest of their lives.

    As for Ukraine, he claims vast credit, but that is, quite frankly, stolen valor .
    I was being very impish. I can't stand the vile f*****.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,955

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,053
    edited November 18

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,874

    Foxy said:

    geoffw said:

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1990839006171472256

    Trump suggests Khashoggi had it coming: "You're mentioning someone that was extremely controversial. A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen. But he knew nothing about it. You don't have to embarrass our guest."

    Just about the most despicable thing he's said amid a lorryload of deplorable rubbish

    Its a new low, even for Trump.
    The clock though finally seems to be clicking on his baleful time in public life.

    Maybe I am an idiot but I'm starting to think the corner has been turned.
    To paraphrase Hemingway, political bankruptcy happens gradually then all at once. There are significant barriers to Trump and Starmer's removals and a lot of things will need to line up. The art of betting in some political markets is to identify the inflection point where those things have lined up and gradually becomes all at once. I'm not sure I'm confident on such predictions.

    It will need the thorough loss of MAGA way beyond MTG (the vote tonight was sanctioned by Trump to mask a loss, so many aren't lost) and for that to come through to those who make a call on the 25th or whatever mechanism is used to see unambiguously there is no way back. It's a massive step for a fixed term appointment, it won't be done lightly, it won't be done before abject panic sets in. Epstein or no, there is a course to run yet and the base level of insanity around Trump means the elevated insanity could still be gradual stage noise.

    Starmer is definitely still fully in the gradual stage, there are rivals to be seen off and successful use of Labour's replacement mechanisms are rather untested. It will be a good while.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,978

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    There's still vast quantities in the Copperbelt of Zambia and Katanga, even after a century of mining.

    My shares in Antoare were at an all time high this month (down today) and double what they were. It looks a bit toppy now, as indeed does pretty much everything in the market.
  • Cicero said:

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
    One thing I am not when it comes to sport is being over confident.

    Growing up in the 1990s as an England cricket fan destroys any confidence.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,587

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    Cicero said:

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
    Scotland need another goal and Denmark were totally dominant after the goal. This is going to be a second half that will feel like a geological age. Gannon-Doak is a serious loss. He was our out ball. Batten down the hatches.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,575
    isam said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Good evening

    Not sure if this has been discussed but Sky Bet is moving its head office to Malta to avoid Reeves betting tax

    It looks as though General Betting Duty (the tax on horse and greyhound racing profits) will remain unchanged after strong lobbying from both codes.

    Remote Gaming Duty (the tax paid on the Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBTs)) in betting shops may well rise and it's indicative of the significance of the latter the bookies are still threatening to close shops, make redundancies, move HQ locations, etc, etc.

    We'll see whehter bark and bite applies here and whether there will be any significant reductions in the betting shop estate - Sky Bet have no physical presence and operate purely online so the impact of moving the HQ will be limited but it's clearly a tax avoidance tactic.

    I suspect far more of Sky Bet's income is derived from gaming than from betting on dogs and horses.
    Sky Bet is now owned by Flutter, along with Betfair and Paddy Power.
    The question then becomes whether Paddy Power (who have two shops in East Ham High Street) will decide to retrench their retail estate in the light of taxational changes and whether this will be co-ordinated with Entain and other groups.
    i an sure I have shared this before, but FWIW, my policy on FOBT’s

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.com/2024/12/policy-on-fobts.html
    I think I'd read it. You are (or were) in the industry and must have a sense for how much the profitability of the retail estate depends on the FOBTs. They are in competition (in East Ham at any rate) with at least three fully-fledged arcades or mini-casinos so that's a lot of places chasing the gambling man's cash.

    Hills withdrew from East Ham a few years ago and I suspect, IF we see the tax on FOBTs rise, we may see others depart.
  • Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukTuKnIZCUU
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,587

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukTuKnIZCUU
    Little known fact - the Colonists on LVT-426 were looking for Illudium Phosdex ore.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,641

    Cicero said:

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
    One thing I am not when it comes to sport is being over confident.

    Growing up in the 1990s as an England cricket fan destroys any confidence.
    It's also why I never get mad when the team do poorly or lose some games, because I know that on their day they can be great and beat anyone, so it is still better than those dark times.
  • Evening all! Two exciting points:
    One. They have passed the bill to release the Epstein files. But unfortunately someone has started all these new investigations and of course all the files related to those are required. Sorry!
    Two. If there are free and fair elections, the Republicans will lose. Badly. And then some of them are going to jail. So, considering their current slide into fascism, do they (a) play the system to rig the system, or (b) give up and lose everything?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 38,497
    "The former Labour MP Mark Fisher has died after a short illness, his family has said.

    Mr Fisher, 81, represented Stoke-on-Trent Central from 1983 until 2010, when he stood down due to health reasons and was succeeded by Tristram Hunt.

    Passionate about the arts, Eton-educated Mr Fisher was the son of a Tory MP with aristocratic relatives.

    Former veteran Labour MP and colleague Joan Walley said she was sorry to hear of the loss of an "oustanding constituency MP"."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k09pm47llo
  • Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    Are the vast reserves of copper that we’ll need very soon undiscovered or hidden?
  • kle4 said:

    Cicero said:

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
    One thing I am not when it comes to sport is being over confident.

    Growing up in the 1990s as an England cricket fan destroys any confidence.
    It's also why I never get mad when the team do poorly or lose some games, because I know that on their day they can be great and beat anyone, so it is still better than those dark times.
    The Ashes start on Friday, I am fully prepared for Australia to beat us 5 nil, again.
  • kle4 said:

    Cicero said:

    Denmark delenda est.

    Is that Scottish Gaelic?
    No, its English overconfidence, because most Scots are currently hiding behind the sofa.
    One thing I am not when it comes to sport is being over confident.

    Growing up in the 1990s as an England cricket fan destroys any confidence.
    It's also why I never get mad when the team do poorly or lose some games, because I know that on their day they can be great and beat anyone, so it is still better than those dark times.
    The Ashes start on Friday, I am fully prepared for Australia to beat us 5 nil, again.
    I thought like that every time before we won as well as when we lost
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,689

    Evening all! Two exciting points:
    One. They have passed the bill to release the Epstein files. But unfortunately someone has started all these new investigations and of course all the files related to those are required. Sorry!
    Two. If there are free and fair elections, the Republicans will lose. Badly. And then some of them are going to jail. So, considering their current slide into fascism, do they (a) play the system to rig the system, or (b) give up and lose everything?

    Yes, Trump has invested a great deal of capital in getting all the bad guys Infront of a Judge. It would be a shame to jeopardise these prosecutions by releasing the files a decade too early.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,820
    Andy_JS said:

    "The former Labour MP Mark Fisher has died after a short illness, his family has said.

    Mr Fisher, 81, represented Stoke-on-Trent Central from 1983 until 2010, when he stood down due to health reasons and was succeeded by Tristram Hunt.

    Passionate about the arts, Eton-educated Mr Fisher was the son of a Tory MP with aristocratic relatives.

    Former veteran Labour MP and colleague Joan Walley said she was sorry to hear of the loss of an "oustanding constituency MP"."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k09pm47llo

    His guide to British museums and galleries is wonderful, with lots of neglected and little known sites.
  • Fuck VAR.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,446

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    There are huge undeveloped copper prospects all over the place.

    https://tvpworld.com/89623022/massive-copper-find-could-make-poland-a-global-economic-powerhouse

    https://www.miningvisuals.com/post/the-world-s-largest-operating-copper-mines-vs-reko-diq

    https://www.mining.com/web/a-mile-underground-americas-largest-untapped-copper-mine-inches-toward-reality/

    https://investingnews.com/next-us-copper-mine/

    https://www.cruxinvestor.com/posts/seabridge-gold-worlds-largest-undeveloped-gold-copper-project-ready-for-jv-deal-in-2025

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a64784652/copper-filo-del-sol-argentina/

    Etc

    If copper demand doubles, there will be a shortage for a few years, but production will catch up.
    It's an almost copper bottomed certainty.







  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285
    Anyway, the real Scotland way here is for the Danes to equalise in the 89th minute, so this is too early for the script.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 11,797

    I’m disappointed by this place

    This morning I came up with a very rude political Spoonerism: stunt karma

    I then made up a phrase including it: political stunt karma (a phrase appreciated by @Benpointer )

    I then found a very recent and topical example of k*** Starma’s political stunts leading to karma

    And nobody replied with any sort of acknowledgment of the Spoonerism

    I have you a sympathy like…
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    Sorry, that was so clearly outside the penalty box. VAR is a total joke.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 58,587

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    Known reserves?

    This is a classic piece of nonsense. Known reserves for lots of things are a few decades. This is because finding resources and *proving* them is expensive. So the next few decades are mapped out - to mine and plan mining. No one bothers to spend millions to prove the potential copper mines for 100 years time.

    The classic of this genre was Peak Oil. Then we had Rare Earths (Not Rare, Not earths and Not Lithium).
    Do you know of anywhere else with a sniff of copper? And is it copper that can be easily extracted without massive hydrocarbon burning or chemical pollution on an unprecedented scale right where those huge copper reserves lie hidden?

    The copper crisis isn’t a marketing tool, it’s real and imminent
    Sigh. You need to look at how resources are found, identified and *proven*

    Proven is very expensive. Because regulators get upset if you float a company based on a *proven* deposit of Illudium Phosdex and it turns out there is none there. So you have to do all kind of geologic surveys, lots of samples etc etc. A *proven* reserve is nearly as good as cash.
    Are the vast reserves of copper that we’ll need very soon undiscovered or hidden?
    Quite a lot are known, but not proven.

    Given the geology of the planet and some estimates. Something like 5 *billion* tons are estimated to be in the ground as recoverable copper.

    There are something like 850 million tons of proven reserves.

    Annual demand in 22 million tons. The estimate is that by 2035 this will rise to.... drum roll... 30 million tons (maybe). And maybe 40 million tons by 2050.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 83,446
    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:


    In blow to Trump, federal judges block new Texas congressional map

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/18/federal-judges-block-new-texas-congressional-map-00656680

    I wonder what California will do now ? Their change was in retaliation for the Texas change . Of course there might be appeals by Texas so there’s still a chance the new maps go into effect .
    The California map is contingent on the Texas map. If the Texas map is pulled, then the California one automatically goes.
    It is just about the most principled gerrymander ever, being subject to popular ballot, and having self-limiting clauses.

    While also being smart, hardball politics.
  • Dirty Danes down to 10 men.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252
    That’s a shocking yellow card.
  • Nigelb said:

    Is copper the best investment opportunity ever?

    At current demand levels, before we advance to EVs and heat pumps at every home run by solar and batteries, the known global copper reserves will run out in thirty years

    These known reserves will become much more expensive and environmentally damaging to extract well before they run out

    Unless we can develop an easily manufacturable and sustainable superconductor in the next decade, then copper prices will skyrocket

    Does anyone want to help me start a company that buys and stores copper?

    There are huge undeveloped copper prospects all over the place.

    https://tvpworld.com/89623022/massive-copper-find-could-make-poland-a-global-economic-powerhouse

    https://www.miningvisuals.com/post/the-world-s-largest-operating-copper-mines-vs-reko-diq

    https://www.mining.com/web/a-mile-underground-americas-largest-untapped-copper-mine-inches-toward-reality/

    https://investingnews.com/next-us-copper-mine/

    https://www.cruxinvestor.com/posts/seabridge-gold-worlds-largest-undeveloped-gold-copper-project-ready-for-jv-deal-in-2025

    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a64784652/copper-filo-del-sol-argentina/

    Etc

    If copper demand doubles, there will be a shortage for a few years, but production will catch up.
    It's an almost copper bottomed certainty.







    The largest copper mine in America can supply the USA with a quarter of its current demand for years

    How does that compare with South America running out in years?

    All of the future copper that does exist will become increasingly harder to cheaply and sustainably extract
  • Fuck VAR.

    Evergreen.

    It's an absolute shit show of a 'technology'.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252
    edited November 18

    Dirty Danes down to 10 men.

    Need VAR for that. He didn’t touch the diving Scottish cheat. Went down faster Nicola Sturgeons reputation
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892

    That’s a shocking yellow card.

    Not even a foul. The quality of the decision making in this match has been appalling.
  • GET IN!!!!!!
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,874
    No VAR, no VAR....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285
    I need a third sofa now for the remainder.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892

    I need a third sofa now for the remainder.

    I'm almost too scared to watch. I feel sick.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,736
    edited November 18
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev1r8vee0eo

    "Line of Duty to return for seventh series on BBC"

    I take back all my anti-BBC comments.
  • FUCK!
  • Two fucking Manchester United players are responsible for this.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285
    Football's a stupid game anyway.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    That was coming. Oh lordy, this is brutal.
  • Football's a stupid game anyway.

    Yeah, Scots should focus on the rugger. Oh.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,874

    I need a third sofa now for the remainder.

    Time to break into DFS.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285

    Football's a stupid game anyway.

    Yeah, Scots should focus on the rugger. Oh.
    Curling. Have I said how much I like curling?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892

    Two fucking Manchester United players are responsible for this.

    And an ex Man U player got Scotland's goal.
  • That would have been the greatest goal ever if the John McGinn attempt had gone in.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,552
    Wondering why a load of England fans are apparently supporting Scotland vs Denmark. I'm neutral at best. And probably support Macedonia vs Wales.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252

    That would have been the greatest goal ever if the John McGinn attempt had gone in.

    I believe most Scots would vote for Maradonas first against England in 1986.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 21,252

    Wondering why a load of England fans are apparently supporting Scotland vs Denmark. I'm neutral at best. And probably support Macedonia vs Wales.

    Just between the two of us, I’m supporting Denmark. Especially after that red card.
  • Wondering why a load of England fans are apparently supporting Scotland vs Denmark. I'm neutral at best. And probably support Macedonia vs Wales.

    I love Scotland, I love the Tartan Army, it is a crime that they haven't been to a world cup in nearly 28 years.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 35,689

    Wondering why a load of England fans are apparently supporting Scotland vs Denmark. I'm neutral at best. And probably support Macedonia vs Wales.

    You accidentally got North Macedonia and Wales the wrong way around in that post.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    carnforth said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cev1r8vee0eo

    "Line of Duty to return for seventh series on BBC"

    I take back all my anti-BBC comments.

    Are they going after Epstein?

  • GET IN!!!!!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,285
    Football's a brilliant game anyway.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892
    Surely that's enough. I mean FFS.
  • I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!
  • I bet the Danes will not be going with cramp now.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,890
    edited November 18
    Are you not entertained?

    Fckn hell.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 68,955
    Tartan Army to invade America.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015
    I have actually preferred watching Scotland and Wales this international break than I do England. Celebrated that Tierney goal more than I have any scored by England in years
  • isam said:

    I have actually preferred watching Scotland and Wales this international break than I do England. Celebrated that Tierney goal more than I have any scored by England in years

    Same.
  • isamisam Posts: 43,015
    Haha unreal!!!
  • Facking hell.

    3 absolute bangers by Scotland tonight.
  • algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The former Labour MP Mark Fisher has died after a short illness, his family has said.

    Mr Fisher, 81, represented Stoke-on-Trent Central from 1983 until 2010, when he stood down due to health reasons and was succeeded by Tristram Hunt.

    Passionate about the arts, Eton-educated Mr Fisher was the son of a Tory MP with aristocratic relatives.

    Former veteran Labour MP and colleague Joan Walley said she was sorry to hear of the loss of an "oustanding constituency MP"."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1k09pm47llo

    His guide to British museums and galleries is wonderful, with lots of neglected and little known sites.
    Mark Fisher, cultured Old Etonian Labour MP who served as arts minister under Tony Blair
    He opposed nuclear weapons, harboured ‘grave doubts’ about the first Gulf War and advocated drastic reform of the Lords

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c1d79635f5a39332

    Free gift link (so no paywall) to Telegraph obituary.
  • I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Holland in 1978!

    Same again.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,736
    Wow
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,892

    Are you not entertained?

    One of the most incredible games I have ever seen.
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