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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Mick_Pork

    ' Is David Cameron out of touch?'

    So that would equally apply to Salmond and his Peninsula hotel expenses,surely he's not ashamed of the way he used taxpayers money?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    "I thought this when I heard that in Cameron's letter of thanks to Miller this morning he said that he hoped she would in time be back on the Tory frontbench. Really? After everything that has happened? Vote Conservative and get Maria Miller back in the cabinet? Really?"

    Incredibly, even now, he simply just doesn't get it does he?

    Although there want this uproar when the same was said to David Laws.
    He's not a woman, though.
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Toms said:

    Just watched PMQ's.....god, that was awful for all concerned.

    Perhaps as the MPs' MPs they both felt a bit vulnerable? Just guessing.
    Politics is all PR , however, today was a pretty bad PR excersize for both leaders.The fact that the Speaker pointed out that there were children in "The House" watching them didn't stop either of them or all the other MP's harrumphing looking like total bellends. The word PMQ's is rediculous as a question never gets answered, the response is always a question not an answer. Why not call it "Competition to see who gets on the five minute clip in the news"?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Llama, next you'll be claiming Brian Blessed wasn't King of England.

    Not surprised half the Anglicans aren't theists, given the two most recent Archbishops of Canterbury have been a socialist and a druid.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    I'm sorry you had to experience that. That sort of language is as bad as racist slurs in my opinion.
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    shadsyshadsy Posts: 289
    New at Ladbrokes:
    Where will Nigel Farage stand in the Next General Election?

    3 Thanet South
    4 Boston & Skegness
    8 Thanet North
    8 Folkestone & Hythe
    10 Great Yarmouth
    10 Basingstoke
    10 Great Grimsby
    16 Castle Point
    16 Cleethorpes
    20 Eastleigh
    20 Thurrock
    20 Louth & Horncastle
    25 Camborne & Redruth
    25 Portsmouth South
    25 Newcastle-Under-Lyme
    25 Telford
    25 Plymouth Sutton & Devonport
    25 Plymouth Moor View
    50 Buckingham
    100 Witney
    200 Camberwell & Peckham
    500 Belfast West
    Others on request
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Toms said:

    Just watched PMQ's.....god, that was awful for all concerned.

    Perhaps as the MPs' MPs they both felt a bit vulnerable? Just guessing.
    Politics is all PR , however, today was a pretty bad PR excersize for both leaders.The fact that the Speaker pointed out that there were children in "The House" watching them didn't stop either of them or all the other MP's harrumphing looking like total bellends. The word PMQ's is rediculous as a question never gets answered, the response is always a question not an answer. Why not call it "Competition to see who gets on the five minute clip in the news"?
    Quite. It's a waste of time. PMQs should select questions from the electorate to be answered and debated in the house.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Just asked a Muslim friend. Apparently "kha'en" is Arabic for "traitor". That gives you an idea of how those using such terms think of the rest of the country.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    john_zims said:

    @isam

    'UKIP just the same as other politicians? Or do you think they are gaining support because people see them as not like the rest?'


    A party led by a public school boy,ex city slicker,expense trougher and bankrolled by a handful of millionaires, maybe you can explain the difference?


    'The leader of the UK Independence party (Ukip), which wants to lead Britain out of the EU, has taken £2m of taxpayers' money in expenses and allowances as a member of the European Parliament, on top of his £64,000 a year salary.

    Nigel Farage, who is calling on voters to punish "greedy Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MPs" at the European elections on 4 June, boasted of his personal expenses haul at a meeting with foreign journalists in London last week.


    Nice editing of my post to suit you

    Of course what I asked was, "Do you think the public see UKIP..." etc etc

    The rise in the polls, the unanimous victory over Clegg, the record breaking membership etc seems to say they don't see it your way
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    I'm sorry you had to experience that. That sort of language is as bad as racist slurs in my opinion.
    It is a racist slur
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054

    Good afternoon, everyone.

    Mr. Llama, next you'll be claiming Brian Blessed wasn't King of England.

    Not surprised half the Anglicans aren't theists, given the two most recent Archbishops of Canterbury have been a socialist and a druid.

    Czar Temujinovic,

    The throne of London is indeed an interesting question - though it has not had invaders for at least 5 years.

    Perhaps it should become part of Greater Russia ?

    Regards,

    Errm yes now where were we ?
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    I'm coming round to the view that to be a successful Prime Minister, you need, inter alia, to be a good sacker.
    In this particular regard Cameron is probably the worst we have seen in living memory .... weak, weak, weak as evidenced on a number of occasions over the past four years.
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    AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 23,803

    @Socrates - Come off it, it was a joke at PMQs.

    It is, however, an excellent paper, and I think likely to influence both the debate on leaving the EU altogether, and the goals for renegotiation. This is exactly the kind of thing I've been suggesting UKIP should produce if they were serious, but they are more interested in cheap jibes and putting Ed Miliband into No 10.

    Sorry but Mr Cameron is putting EM into Downing street he doesn't appeal to a wide enough audience.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    MaxPB said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Socrates said:

    Incidentally this is a nice quote by Javid:

    "I welcome the Prime Minister's speech on this complex and important topic. I am proud of my Pakistani and Muslim heritage but, as I have myself said repeatedly, people who settle here should respect the British way of life, culture and traditions, and be required to learn our language. For too long we have championed an ideology of multiculturalism which has created divides rather than broken them down."

    Exactly the right mindset to have.

    Hooray! This guy sounds good. Perfect backstory. Tories need 200 more like him.

    Incidentally I've had people on my Twitterfeed saying "anyone who voted against Equal Marriage" should not be allowed to be a minister, when I point out this means no believing Catholics or Muslims can ever become ministers, they go quiet.

    Hello lefty race politics, meet lefty gender politics, you two should get along famously.
    Sadiq Khan is a Muslim and he voted for gay marriage. Still a barmy position though. (The exclusion, not gay marriage.)
    Atheist.
    No he's not. Where are you getting that from?
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    @Johny_Zimmy

    Just how far back and in how much detail would you like me to go chum?

    David Cameron took out maximum taxpayer-funded mortgage - then paid off own £75k loan four months later

    David Cameron was dragged personally into the expenses row last night after it was revealed that he paid off a loan on his London home shortly after taking out a £350,000 taxpayer-funded mortgage on his constituency house.

    The disclosure followed a powerful call by the Tory leader yesterday for the ‘full force of the law’ to be deployed against MPs who have abused allowances.

    Following a Mail on Sunday investigation Mr Cameron could now face searching questions about his own expense claims.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189788/Cameron-took-maximum-taxpayer-funded-mortgage--paid-75k-loan-months-later.html

    Shall we look at his amusing Wisteria claims too? How about Osbrowne? He's even more laughable. For that matter do you have the slightest idea how many in the fop's chumocracy were in deep, deep sh*t over expenses? It's quite a few, to say the least.

    :)
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Socrates said:

    Right, because the Conservatives have produced a clear paper of what renegotiation looks like? You're throwing rocks from a massive greenhouse here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/10700610/David-Cameron-my-seven-targets-for-a-new-EU.html

    Or, rather more detailed:

    http://www.eufreshstart.org/downloads/mandateforreform.pdf

    http://www.eufreshstart.org/research-areas/overview

    (Interesting that Andrea Leadsom is one of the leading MPs behind that).

    Having said that, I think the Brexit winner's paper is better: more concise, and showing a good grasp of the realities of negotiation. Most of the issues which would arise in negotiating Brexit are exactly the same as those which would arise in negotiating a different relationship whilst remaining 'In' the EU.


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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    A Pyrrhic victory for David Cameron today, it seems. But I doubt he'll want many more like that.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Socrates said:

    MaxPB said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Socrates said:

    Incidentally this is a nice quote by Javid:

    "I welcome the Prime Minister's speech on this complex and important topic. I am proud of my Pakistani and Muslim heritage but, as I have myself said repeatedly, people who settle here should respect the British way of life, culture and traditions, and be required to learn our language. For too long we have championed an ideology of multiculturalism which has created divides rather than broken them down."

    Exactly the right mindset to have.

    Hooray! This guy sounds good. Perfect backstory. Tories need 200 more like him.

    Incidentally I've had people on my Twitterfeed saying "anyone who voted against Equal Marriage" should not be allowed to be a minister, when I point out this means no believing Catholics or Muslims can ever become ministers, they go quiet.

    Hello lefty race politics, meet lefty gender politics, you two should get along famously.
    Sadiq Khan is a Muslim and he voted for gay marriage. Still a barmy position though. (The exclusion, not gay marriage.)
    Atheist.
    No he's not. Where are you getting that from?
    "My own family's heritage is Muslim. Myself and my four brothers were brought up to believe in God, but I do not practise any religion. My wife is a practising Christian and the only religion practised in my house is Christianity. I think we should recognise that Christianity is the religion of our country."
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,789
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    MaxPB said:

    Socrates said:

    SeanT said:

    Socrates said:

    Incidentally this is a nice quote by Javid:

    "I welcome the Prime Minister's speech on this complex and important topic. I am proud of my Pakistani and Muslim heritage but, as I have myself said repeatedly, people who settle here should respect the British way of life, culture and traditions, and be required to learn our language. For too long we have championed an ideology of multiculturalism which has created divides rather than broken them down."

    Exactly the right mindset to have.

    Hooray! This guy sounds good. Perfect backstory. Tories need 200 more like him.

    Incidentally I've had people on my Twitterfeed saying "anyone who voted against Equal Marriage" should not be allowed to be a minister, when I point out this means no believing Catholics or Muslims can ever become ministers, they go quiet.

    Hello lefty race politics, meet lefty gender politics, you two should get along famously.
    Sadiq Khan is a Muslim and he voted for gay marriage. Still a barmy position though. (The exclusion, not gay marriage.)
    Atheist.
    No he's not. Where are you getting that from?
    He's a non practising Muslim.

    A bit like me, I'm religious twice a year, for my Mother.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,054
    Sajid's view on religion has to be one of the most sensible I've ever seen from a British politician.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Socrates said:

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    I'm sorry you had to experience that. That sort of language is as bad as racist slurs in my opinion.
    It is a racist slur
    Rio Ferdinand prefers choc ice

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jul/14/ashley-cole-choc-ice-rio-ferdinand
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    shadsy said:

    New at Ladbrokes:
    Where will Nigel Farage stand in the Next General Election?

    3 Thanet South
    4 Boston & Skegness
    8 Thanet North
    8 Folkestone & Hythe
    10 Great Yarmouth
    10 Basingstoke
    10 Great Grimsby
    16 Castle Point
    16 Cleethorpes
    20 Eastleigh
    20 Thurrock
    20 Louth & Horncastle
    25 Camborne & Redruth
    25 Portsmouth South
    25 Newcastle-Under-Lyme
    25 Telford
    25 Plymouth Sutton & Devonport
    25 Plymouth Moor View
    50 Buckingham
    100 Witney
    200 Camberwell & Peckham
    500 Belfast West
    Others on request

    For easy rich pickings, Buckingham looks like value at 50/1.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    shadsy said:

    New at Ladbrokes:
    Where will Nigel Farage stand in the Next General Election?

    3 Thanet South
    4 Boston & Skegness
    8 Thanet North
    8 Folkestone & Hythe
    10 Great Yarmouth
    10 Basingstoke
    10 Great Grimsby
    16 Castle Point
    16 Cleethorpes
    20 Eastleigh
    20 Thurrock
    20 Louth & Horncastle
    25 Camborne & Redruth
    25 Portsmouth South
    25 Newcastle-Under-Lyme
    25 Telford
    25 Plymouth Sutton & Devonport
    25 Plymouth Moor View
    50 Buckingham
    100 Witney
    200 Camberwell & Peckham
    500 Belfast West
    Others on request

    Interesting.

    Patrick O'Flynn ‏@oflynndirector Nov 27

    V interesting Thanet S polling, my forecast that this is where Nigel Farage will stand looking stronger all the time http://survation.com/2013/11/new-constituency-polling-in-south-thanet/
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Right, because the Conservatives have produced a clear paper of what renegotiation looks like? You're throwing rocks from a massive greenhouse here.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/10700610/David-Cameron-my-seven-targets-for-a-new-EU.html

    Or, rather more detailed:

    http://www.eufreshstart.org/downloads/mandateforreform.pdf

    http://www.eufreshstart.org/research-areas/overview

    (Interesting that Andrea Leadsom is one of the leading MPs behind that).

    Having said that, I think the Brexit winner's paper is better: more concise, and showing a good grasp of the realities of negotiation. Most of the issues which would arise in negotiating Brexit are exactly the same as those which would arise in negotiating a different relationship whilst remaining 'In' the EU.
    David Cameron's list of seven are a nebulous joke. How exactly are we to judge whether we have stopped "unnecessary interference" from the ECHR, or "excessive interference" from Brussels? Even "tighter immigration rules" is arbitrary enough that a ban on claiming benefits for 13 weeks rather than 12 could be judged to be successful. He's trying to set a deliberately low bar that he can't be held to.

    The Fresh Start stuff is much better. There are 23 precise measures there. Let's see how many of them Cameron achieves.

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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Mick_Pork

    'Just how far back and in how much detail would you like me to go chum?

    Porky,what has Salmond got to hide or did his troughing at the Peninsula hotel make Miller's claim of £5,800 look like petty cash?
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    Mr. Pulpstar, don't be silly. It's well known that the English are the world's greatest sailors. I will not taste the bitterness of defeat by tangling with English seamen.
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    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983


    Although there want this uproar when the same was said to David Laws.
    He's not a woman, though.

    What David Laws did was orders of magnitude worse than what Maria Miller did and it's a disgrace that he's a minister again.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Socrates said:


    David Cameron's list of seven are a nebulous joke. How exactly are we to judge whether we have stopped "unnecessary interference" from the ECHR, or "excessive interference" from Brussels? Even "tighter immigration rules" is arbitrary enough that a ban on claiming benefits for 13 weeks rather than 12 could be judged to be successful. He's trying to set a deliberately low bar that he can't be held to.

    No, he's very sensibly keeping options open. You don't lay out your negotiating position in detail, in public, over a year before the negotiations can even start, and you certainly don't specify what are red lines and what are things you might concede - otherwise the other side take all the concessions and start trying to chip away at the red lines.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:


    David Cameron's list of seven are a nebulous joke. How exactly are we to judge whether we have stopped "unnecessary interference" from the ECHR, or "excessive interference" from Brussels? Even "tighter immigration rules" is arbitrary enough that a ban on claiming benefits for 13 weeks rather than 12 could be judged to be successful. He's trying to set a deliberately low bar that he can't be held to.

    No, he's very sensibly keeping options open. You don't lay out your negotiating position in detail, in public, over a year before the negotiations can even start, and you certainly don't specify what are red lines and what are things you might concede - otherwise the other side take all the concessions and start trying to chip away at the red lines.
    I'm not asking him lay out his negotiating position or red lines. I'm just asking him to lay out his aims, which he consistently refuses to do. He'll need to say what he wants when he walks in the room anyway, so this is a ridiculous argument.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,161
    Socrates said:

    How exactly are we to judge whether we have stopped "unnecessary interference" from the ECHR

    The other mysterious thing about this is that just when we'd got used to the idea that he was going to get 27 countries to agree to what he wants in two years to no particular benefit to themselves, he nonchalantly throws in something involving a negotiation with 46 members of the Council of Europe, but apparently doesn't see fit to mention the fact that he's going to have one.
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    Sorry to hear that, er not the 'married to an infidel' bit. - On a brighter note, you'll be pleased to know the 'chap referring to Sajid Javid as a 'coconut', 'munafiq' and kha'en can be found here. http://oxford.greenparty.org.uk/people/sparkes.html


    I wonder if Neil would care to comment...!

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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @AntiFrank @Richard_Nabavi

    Pls check PB emails!
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322
    Anyway, we have a list from EU Fresh Start for the renegotiation position. Even though these aren't particularly ambitious (no reduction in the CAP and nothing on limiting migration), let's see how many of this reduced list of points is actually achieved.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    @Johnny_Zimmy

    So why is it that the scottish public aren't outraged but seem to be carrying on as if your story is laughable (and recycled every month or so) while Miller had to quit from the incompetent fop's cabinet?

    Hmmm...?

    Speak up Zimmy. That £350,000 taxpayer-funded fop mortgage must make Cammie and you very proud after all.

    You obsequious Cameroons really do have quite the problem with being out of touch with public opinion, don't you?

    LOL
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    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    Sorry to hear that, er not the 'married to an infidel' bit. - On a brighter note, you'll be pleased to know the 'chap referring to Sajid Javid as a 'coconut', 'munafiq' and kha'en can be found here. http://oxford.greenparty.org.uk/people/sparkes.html


    I wonder if Neil would care to comment...!

    Well the greens are well known watermelons.

    Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

    Boomtish!
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    Socrates said:

    Just asked a Muslim friend. Apparently "kha'en" is Arabic for "traitor". That gives you an idea of how those using such terms think of the rest of the country.

    Ah, how enlightened. I'd just assumed it was a transliteration of another word, but missing the final 't'.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Socrates said:

    I'm not asking him lay out his negotiating position or red lines. I'm just asking him to lay out his aims, which he consistently refuses to do. He'll need to say what he wants when he walks in the room anyway, so this is a ridiculous argument.

    He has set out his aims. He hasn't laid out the detail, but that will be a matter for detailed diplomatic discussion.

    As I said, the Brexit paper is good on priorities, and on which aims might be reasonably easy to achieve, and which are going to be very hard. The one that worries me most - and this is the same whether it's Brexit or renegotiation within the EU - is financial services.
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited April 2014

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    Incompetent Fop.


    Kevin O'Sullivan ‏@TVKev 1h

    Cameron making much of saintly Maria Miller being "cleared" by the Standards Committee. Who cleared her? Other expenses claiming MPs. FFS!

    Cllr Suzanne Evans ‏@SuzanneEvans1 3h

    So #miller leaves Cabinet. What about Cameron's 2009 promise to expel cheats from the party? pic.twitter.com/dvtxcBTkSW

    Julia Hartley-Brewer ‏@JuliaHB1 4h

    Even though Miller has now gone from Govt, the fact that she wasn't shown the door on day 1 raises big questions over Cameron's judgement.

    Clive Peedell ‏@cpeedell 5h

    #Miller affair clearly shows MPs can't be trusted to police themselves. This will be another issue I'll be challenging Cameron on in #Witney

    Lucy Rigby ‏@LucyRigby 5h

    Cameron comes out of Miller saga appallingly - v poor judgement initially, inability to recognise error, forced to succumb to pressure #weak
    Jack Tunmore ‏@JackTunmore 6h

    In his response Cameron says he hopes Miller can return to the front bench "in due course." He still doesn't get it http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/09/maria-miller-resignation-letter-prime-minister-david-cameron?
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    RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737
    UNS

    Lab 25 (+12)
    UKIP 23 (+10)
    Con 15 (-11)
    LD 4 (-7)
    Grn 0 (-2) *
    SNP 2 (nc)
    Plaid 1 (nc)

    * assumed: No Green figure given
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    Good to see Shadsy so active again - it would be even better were he to provide a link to that Farage Constituency market - to save us all the grief of trying in vain to find it on Ladbroke's hopelessly unnavigable website.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    SDP polling 51% the last time politics was about to be renewed.
    Go back to your constituency (wherever that is) and prepare for government Mr Farage
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
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    AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    edited April 2014

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    Sorry to hear that, er not the 'married to an infidel' bit. - On a brighter note, you'll be pleased to know the 'chap referring to Sajid Javid as a 'coconut', 'munafiq' and kha'en can be found here. http://oxford.greenparty.org.uk/people/sparkes.html


    I wonder if Neil would care to comment...!

    Well the greens are well known watermelons.

    Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

    Boomtish!
    They're a right bunch of Kermits, surely.

    Which reminds of a favourite school-time joke: What's green and smells of pork? Kermits fingers. ['fingers' may not have been the word of choice for a 14-year-old, but it's all I'm writing here]
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    Good to see Shadsy so active again - it would be even better were he to provide a link to that Farage Constituency market - to save us all the grief of trying in vain to find it on Ladbroke's hopelessly unnavigable website.

    It is here

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/British/Nigel-Farage-Specials/Politics-N-1z131s4Z1z0qpp3Z1z141ne/
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    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
    Fortunately I know a lot of the security staff in central Manchester in the bars I frequent, so I can have them ejected headfirst from the premises.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    I'm not asking him lay out his negotiating position or red lines. I'm just asking him to lay out his aims, which he consistently refuses to do. He'll need to say what he wants when he walks in the room anyway, so this is a ridiculous argument.

    He has set out his aims. He hasn't laid out the detail, but that will be a matter for detailed diplomatic discussion.

    As I said, the Brexit paper is good on priorities, and on which aims might be reasonably easy to achieve, and which are going to be very hard. The one that worries me most - and this is the same whether it's Brexit or renegotiation within the EU - is financial services.
    I recall at the time the banker bonus cap came out, you said you'd supporting leaving the EU if it was enacted. Did you reverse yourself on this?
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    edited April 2014
    @Porky-boy


    'An SNP attempt to downplay Alex Salmond's five-star hotel bills has backfired spectacularly after it emerged he stayed at luxury accommodation singled out by Nicola Sturgeon for direct criticism.

    The Deputy First Minister recently defended Mr Salmond's controversial oversees expense claims by saying he would not get caught staying at New York's upmarket Benjamin Hotel like Jack McConnell, his Labour predecessor.'

    Salmond has even managed to embarrass his deputy with his taxpayer funded troughing.

    Speak up Porky,what has Salmond got to hide with his Peninsula hotel bill,you are surely not naive enough to be fobbed off with the pathetic security excuse?

    chortle.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Ah well. At least that 'Miller must resign' petition with 180,000 signitaries is out of the way.

    Jack Wainwright ‏@wainwj 2h

    A petition to get #MariaMiller imprisoned. Don't mind if if I do! http://goo.gl/Lw6JUY

    ;)
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
    Fortunately I know a lot of the security staff in central Manchester in the bars I frequent, so I can have them ejected headfirst from the premises.
    Hopefully hitting every door and step on the way out.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    edited April 2014
    There will be some polling reputations in the dust come the day after the EU results.

    It's a tough one, though. Polling intention is one thing. Making it down the polling booth for something that seems so remote is quite another. Particularly if you're a labour voter, voting for the status quo on an issue that's well down your list of concerns.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    What percentage of white Britons do you think oppose a white woman marrying a non-white man? What percentage of British Muslims do you think oppose a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim man?
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    Anorak said:

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    Sorry to hear that, er not the 'married to an infidel' bit. - On a brighter note, you'll be pleased to know the 'chap referring to Sajid Javid as a 'coconut', 'munafiq' and kha'en can be found here. http://oxford.greenparty.org.uk/people/sparkes.html


    I wonder if Neil would care to comment...!

    Well the greens are well known watermelons.

    Green on the outside, Red on the inside.

    Boomtish!
    They're a right bunch of Kermits, surely.

    Which reminds of a favourite school-time joke: What's green and smells of pork? Kermits fingers. ['fingers' may not have been the word of choice for a 14-year-old, but it's all I'm writing here]
    Did you know Miss Piggy can only count up to the number 68.

    When she gets to 69, she gets a Frog in her throat

    *Has regressed into a 14 year old*
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    john_zims said:

    @Porky-boy


    'An SNP attempt to downplay Alex Salmond's five-star hotel bills has backfired spectacularly after it emerged he stayed at luxury accommodation singled out by Nicola Sturgeon for direct criticism.

    The Deputy First Minister recently defended Mr Salmond's controversial oversees expense claims by saying he would not get caught staying at New York's upmarket Benjamin Hotel like Jack McConnell, his Labour predecessor.'

    Salmond has even managed to embarrass his deputy with his taxpayer funded troughing.

    Speak up Porky,what has Salmond got to hide with his Peninsula hotel bill,you are surely not naive enough to be fobbed off with the pathetic security excuse?

    chortle.

    Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    What were the odds on Cameron replacing Miller with a white man from an ordinary background? 1000/1 might have been generous.
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    AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
    Fortunately I know a lot of the security staff in central Manchester in the bars I frequent, so I can have them ejected headfirst from the premises.
    Hopefully hitting every door and step on the way out.
    'pouter

    It is bad enough being "well-built".

    Best to avoid being clumsy with it.

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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I remember when you told us about that. An awful thing you shouldn't have to experience.
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    Good to see Shadsy so active again - it would be even better were he to provide a link to that Farage Constituency market - to save us all the grief of trying in vain to find it on Ladbroke's hopelessly unnavigable website.

    It is here

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/British/Nigel-Farage-Specials/Politics-N-1z131s4Z1z0qpp3Z1z141ne/
    Thanks TSE - I've had a crisp oncer on Farage opposing Mr. Speaker.

    Please let there be a God in Heaven.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,789
    edited April 2014

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
    Fortunately I know a lot of the security staff in central Manchester in the bars I frequent, so I can have them ejected headfirst from the premises.
    Hopefully hitting every door and step on the way out.
    If only they had done it on the top floor of Norwegian Blue instead of the ground floor.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    There's been some movement towards UKIP since the 2nd debate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#2014
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    john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @malcolmg

    'Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.'

    He could have just stayed at the same hotel as the rest of the delegation,but obviously the plebs hotel wasn't good enough.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited April 2014
    Socrates said:

    I recall at the time the banker bonus cap came out, you said you'd supporting leaving the EU if it was enacted. Did you reverse yourself on this?

    I think that is one element of the wider question of whether the EU is damaging the City to a degree which outweighs the advantage of the Single Market for financial services. I have previously cited it as one item amongst several which make me think that the balance of the argument is shifting towards leaving the EU. However, I see no point in leaving before trying renegotiation; there is nothing at all to be lost by trying. If we don't succeed in getting much, then obviously I'd seriously consider voting to leave, provided of course that there was a reasonable consensus on what 'leaving' would mean. (I'd certainly not support leaving whilst remaining within the EEA - the worst of all worlds).

    That's why I think this Brexit paper is so important - it's the most coherent account of what we might aim for, if we do leave, that I've seen.

    Are UKIP going to pick it up, refine it, and argue coherently for a position which can be put to voters in a referendum? No, almost certainly not, they'll just continue moaning, making silly personal attacks on David Cameron, and working to prevent both Brexit and renegotiation by putting Miliband into No 10.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,589

    Toms said:

    Just watched PMQ's.....god, that was awful for all concerned.

    Perhaps as the MPs' MPs they both felt a bit vulnerable? Just guessing.
    Politics is all PR , however, today was a pretty bad PR excersize for both leaders.The fact that the Speaker pointed out that there were children in "The House" watching them didn't stop either of them or all the other MP's harrumphing looking like total bellends. The word PMQ's is rediculous as a question never gets answered, the response is always a question not an answer. Why not call it "Competition to see who gets on the five minute clip in the news"?
    PMQs is of course Prime Minister's Questions. The Speaker announces "Questions for the Prime Minister" at the start of the session. No one ever says anything about Prime Ministerial answers and that is really not the point.

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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014
    taffys said:

    There will be some polling reputations in the dust come the day after the EU results.


    You're not wrong. It's also the last big party electoral test before 2015 so there's going to be a touch more than mere academic interest paid to who get's it right and who is way, way off.

    Sure, the EU angle will skew things as the local angle always does but it's still real voters and real results. We aren't just talking about a handful of councillors but a huge number of votes for big electorally important areas. If a party doesn't use this as campaign and activist practice for the GE soon after, then they might as well throw in the towel right now.
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    SocratesSocrates Posts: 10,322

    Socrates said:

    Glyn Sparkes ‏@GlynSparkes 38s

    @sajidjavid: Tory MP, Culture Secretary, Thatcherite, Bankster, coconut, munafiq, kha'en.


    That didn't take long.

    I've looked up "munafiq", what's "kha'en"?
    Sorry, I have no idea - having since looked at his twitter account and past tweets, it could mean anything. - the tw@ is seriously short of a sandwich imho.
    munafiq - is a hypocrite who outwardly practices Islam while inwardly concealing his disbelief

    Kha'en - Haven't a scoobies.
    I've been accused of being both a cocunut and a munafiq.

    I noticed that Sajid Javid married an infidel.
    TSE - For every idiot that says he married an infidel, there will be one telling his wife she is diluting the traditions and culture of the UK with her marriage to a foreigner.
    To be honest, it was something that has never bothered me, then a couple of years ago, my wife and I had to deal with some [moderated] EDL supporters in a bar in Manchester, and really has left me upset to this day.
    I have witnessed it myself a number of times and stepped in and let my feelings be known to the agressors. In reality on each ocasion it had feck all to do with me, however, it is not my way to stand by and let it go, plus each time the people facing the abuse have been outnumbered. The fact that I am white, tall and well built may be the fact why they then backed down and walked away, most bullies do. It doesn't go down too well with the missus who rightly says they could easily be loads of them waiting outside to cave my head in, but hey ho, lucky so far.
    Good for you. We need more people standing up to this sort of stuff.
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    For someone who comes from a PR background, Cameron does seem to come up short on PR. Every time something like this appears he seems to go out the way to make things worse.

    Miller is forced out by a right wing media witch hunt and by public demand over what she did. He then gets into a tiff with one of the witch hunt papers about if Number 10 leaned on it and says "hope you return to cabinet in due course" to the outgoing Miller.

    Top work feller!

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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    DavidL said:

    Toms said:

    Just watched PMQ's.....god, that was awful for all concerned.

    Perhaps as the MPs' MPs they both felt a bit vulnerable? Just guessing.
    Politics is all PR , however, today was a pretty bad PR excersize for both leaders.The fact that the Speaker pointed out that there were children in "The House" watching them didn't stop either of them or all the other MP's harrumphing looking like total bellends. The word PMQ's is rediculous as a question never gets answered, the response is always a question not an answer. Why not call it "Competition to see who gets on the five minute clip in the news"?
    PMQs is of course Prime Minister's Questions. The Speaker announces "Questions for the Prime Minister" at the start of the session. No one ever says anything about Prime Ministerial answers and that is really not the point.

    Very Good David L , never looked at it that way.
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    Good to see Shadsy so active again - it would be even better were he to provide a link to that Farage Constituency market - to save us all the grief of trying in vain to find it on Ladbroke's hopelessly unnavigable website.

    It is here

    http://sportsbeta.ladbrokes.com/British/Nigel-Farage-Specials/Politics-N-1z131s4Z1z0qpp3Z1z141ne/
    Thanks TSE - I've had a crisp oncer on Farage opposing Mr. Speaker.

    Please let there be a God in Heaven.
    Once bitten, twice shy?

    I wonder if his ego will make him go to Sheffield Hallam? Will ask Shadsy to price that up.

    The easiest way to find a bet on the Ladbrokes website is to

    1) Go to oddschecker

    2) Go to ladbrokes.com and use the search facility and in this instance type "Farage"
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    Not necessarily , it is only the accuracy of the pollsters' final polls which will count a not polls 6 weeks out .
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    F1: Bahrain test, I think, ends today. Hamilton is 3 seconds ahead of the next best time. I don't think that's truly representative, but even so, the Silver Arrow is in another league.

    Interesting little piece by Sky comparing team mates. Three races in is probably a race or two too soon, but it's still interesting:
    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9220533/team-mate-battles-2014-which-f1-driver-will-win-their-intra-team-head-to-head

    I agree with the suggestion the Rosberg-Hamilton battle will be one of the fiercest. I read an interesting view that Hamilton's medium tyres actually helped him at the end of Bahrain, because Rosberg's had gone (the gap at the end was over a second). Furthermore, the time difference was surprisingly marginal (about 0.2-0.3s per lap) so it wasn't the certain victory for Rosberg that some have painted it as.

    Obviously, Hamilton drove fantastically and holds the advantage, but Rosberg is in with a serious shot at the title, and I rather hope he takes it.
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    edited April 2014

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    There's been some movement towards UKIP since the 2nd debate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#2014
    Appreciate there is some movement, however, the percentages seem to be all over the places and they cannot agree if UKIP or Labour are in first or second or even if UKIP and Tory are second or third (I may be wrong but I am sure there was a poll somewhere puting the Tories second).
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    Not necessarily , it is only the accuracy of the pollsters' final polls which will count a not polls 6 weeks out .
    Yes Mark, I appreciate that, we will have to see if they are all pointing in the same direction then or continue to point at different outcomes.
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    There's been some movement towards UKIP since the 2nd debate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#2014
    Appreciate there is some movement, however, the percentages seem to be all over the places and they cannot agree if UKIP or Labour are in first or second or even if UKIP and Tory are second or third (I may be wrong but I am sure there was a poll somewhere puting the Tories second).
    The last Populus was Lab 31, Tory 27, Kipper 25
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    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    There's been some movement towards UKIP since the 2nd debate.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Parliament_election,_2014_(United_Kingdom)#2014
    Appreciate there is some movement, however, the percentages seem to be all over the places and they cannot agree if UKIP or Labour are in first or second or even if UKIP and Tory are second or third (I may be wrong but I am sure there was a poll somewhere puting the Tories second).
    'Twas populus

    New Euro elections VI for @ft - Lab 31; Cons 27; UKIP 25; LD 10

    Tables: http://popu.lu/s_EuroVI080414
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,266
    john_zims said:

    @malcolmg

    'Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.'

    He could have just stayed at the same hotel as the rest of the delegation,but obviously the plebs hotel wasn't good enough.

    Maybe the people he was meeting did not want it publicised, ie Obama maybe did not want Cameron crying over the phone about him meeting the nasty SNP.
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    taffystaffys Posts: 9,753
    Surely the correlation between poll and turnout is bound to be lower in the euro elections than for the GE.

    If you support a party that essentially agrees with the status quo on an issue you don;t really care about anyway, why vote?

    You're not even giving the government much of a kicking. That's UKIP's job.
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    BobaFettBobaFett Posts: 2,789
    @Josias

    No. It means you are a Tory who was once a Liberal. Easy concept to grasp.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    Not necessarily , it is only the accuracy of the pollsters' final polls which will count a not polls 6 weeks out .
    The polls will be an ever present metric during the campaign. A campaign likely to be extremely long. So in between the debate speculation/dissections and the local campaign colour the media will be focused like a laser on every one of them. Also giving some prominence to the betting as well I would think.
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    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    Not necessarily , it is only the accuracy of the pollsters' final polls which will count a not polls 6 weeks out .
    Yes Mark, I appreciate that, we will have to see if they are all pointing in the same direction then or continue to point at different outcomes.
    A lot of the pollsters are applying different certainty to vote filters, which can explain the differences between the pollsters.

    It is useful to look at the pre filtered numbers.
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    Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    malcolmg said:


    Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.

    It was Nicola Sturgeon that specifically mentioned the FM staying in a hotel years ago.

    Are you saying she is a Labour drone?

    Careful, they might send the boys round for a quiet chat
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Clegg banging on about Lords Reform again? That ship has well and truly sailed. Like AV.

    PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 3h

    Clegg: House of Lords reform critics had "rather conflicting and certainly not internally consistent reasons for why change was dangerous".
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Cllr.Brian Silvester ‏@CllrBSilvester 3h

    Over 50% of MPs (350+) had to pay back expenses they falsely claimed. Not one minister resigned. Should they have? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/7149528/MPs-expenses-350-ordered-to-pay-back-1m-on-their-claims.html
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,053
    Mr. Pork, Clegg raising the Lords is just meant to excite those who delight in rocket sandwiches, and annoy Conservatives backbenchers. It's fairly soft and safe differentiation (both sides are happy to argue over it and emphasise just what jolly different parties they are).

    Personally, I'd rather abolish Nick Clegg than the House of Lords.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    There will be some polling repuations in the dust come the day after the EU results. They are all over the place and they cannot decide between them which party is 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
    Not necessarily , it is only the accuracy of the pollsters' final polls which will count a not polls 6 weeks out .
    Yes Mark, I appreciate that, we will have to see if they are all pointing in the same direction then or continue to point at different outcomes.
    A lot of the pollsters are applying different certainty to vote filters, which can explain the differences between the pollsters.

    It is useful to look at the pre filtered numbers.
    Fortunately , Stuart Dickson will not be posting the Scottish sub sample VI for this poll .
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Cameron didn't give the equality brief to Nicky Morgan because she voted against gay marriage:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/09/downing-street-womens-minister-subordinate-man
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118

    Socrates said:

    I recall at the time the banker bonus cap came out, you said you'd supporting leaving the EU if it was enacted. Did you reverse yourself on this?

    I think that is one element of the wider question of whether the EU is damaging the City to a degree which outweighs the advantage of the Single Market for financial services. I have previously cited it as one item amongst several which make me think that the balance of the argument is shifting towards leaving the EU. However, I see no point in leaving before trying renegotiation; there is nothing at all to be lost by trying. If we don't succeed in getting much, then obviously I'd seriously consider voting to leave, provided of course that there was a reasonable consensus on what 'leaving' would mean. (I'd certainly not support leaving whilst remaining within the EEA - the worst of all worlds).

    That's why I think this Brexit paper is so important - it's the most coherent account of what we might aim for, if we do leave, that I've seen.

    Are UKIP going to pick it up, refine it, and argue coherently for a position which can be put to voters in a referendum? No, almost certainly not, they'll just continue moaning, making silly personal attacks on David Cameron, and working to prevent both Brexit and renegotiation by putting Miliband into No 10.
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    edited April 2014

    Mr. Pork, Clegg raising the Lords is just meant to excite those who delight in rocket sandwiches, and annoy Conservatives backbenchers..

    It's more likely to annoy the rocket sandwiches and delight the tory backbenchers considering what a colossal mess Clegg made of it. Soft differentiation or not it's fairly bizarre to highlight one of your biggest failures.

    Clegg managed to snag himself a new PR drone not that long ago so if this is the new strategy after the Farage 'triumph' he'll need to give just a touch more substance to the ever dwindling yellows to get them motivated.

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    GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    Mick_Pork said:

    Mr. Pork, Clegg raising the Lords is just meant to excite those who delight in rocket sandwiches, and annoy Conservatives backbenchers..

    It's more likely to annoy the rocket sandwiches and delight the tory backbenchers considering what a colossal mess Clegg made of it. Soft differentiation or not it's fairly bizarre to highlight one of your biggest failures.

    Clegg managed to snag himself a new PR drone not that long ago so if this is the new strategy after the Farage 'triumph' he'll need to give just a touch more substance to the ever dwindling yellows to get them motivated.

    The Lib Dems need to get relevant and be relevant. If they can do that, they can denounce the Tories about banging on about things nobody cares about - topics like Europe, or the plight of the few paying 50p tax - and have a narrative for the campaign.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    malcolmg said:

    john_zims said:

    @malcolmg

    'Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.'

    He could have just stayed at the same hotel as the rest of the delegation,but obviously the plebs hotel wasn't good enough.

    Maybe the people he was meeting did not want it publicised, ie Obama maybe did not want Cameron crying over the phone about him meeting the nasty SNP.
    Lolz - if Fat Eck had met Obama it would be on taxpayer funded billboards all over Scotland...

    "Say Eric - freed any Alky Aida recently ?"


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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Imagine an out of touch twit so excited to be with Obama it looks like he's just ejaculated.

    http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news-700/Photo-of-the-Day-President-Obama-s-Selfies-at-Nelson-Mandela-s-Memorial.jpg?1386776399

    Aww.. look at his shiny red face. He's beside himself. Makes you proud, eh Harold?

    Lolz
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    Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    Curious? The PB tories were certain Cammie had been a triumph.

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 2h

    A bad week for @David_Cameron just got worse - our #PMQs verdict hands @Ed_Miliband a 5-1 win http://bit.ly/1anTqpV pic.twitter.com/mnoIenjZn9

    Oh dear.
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    isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited April 2014
    Paul Nuttalls take on EU's Clever Move on Roaming charges

    twitter.com/paulnuttallukip/status/453897993549135873/photo/1
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 40,194
    Scott_P said:

    malcolmg said:


    Dear Dear , you must be a labour drone to be still banging on about the FM staying in a hotel years ago. Nobody gives a toss , we do not expect him to stay in a motel.

    It was Nicola Sturgeon that specifically mentioned the FM staying in a hotel years ago.

    Are you saying she is a Labour drone?

    Careful, they might send the boys round for a quiet chat
    Haven't you got the wrong First Minister? I thought she was talking about Mr McConnell (of kilt in NY fame - but at least he was trying like Mr Salmond).

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    NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Carnyx said:


    Haven't you got the wrong First Minister? I thought she was talking about Mr McConnell

    I think that's the point.
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    compouter2compouter2 Posts: 2,371
    Mick_Pork said:

    Curious? The PB tories were certain Cammie had been a triumph.

    Sun Politics ‏@Sun_Politics 2h

    A bad week for @David_Cameron just got worse - our #PMQs verdict hands @Ed_Miliband a 5-1 win http://bit.ly/1anTqpV pic.twitter.com/mnoIenjZn9

    Oh dear.

    Dave stabbed in the front by The Scum. I assume that is a warning to toe Ruperts line or there will be more to come.
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    anotherDaveanotherDave Posts: 6,746
    Mick_Pork said:

    Mr. Pork, Clegg raising the Lords is just meant to excite those who delight in rocket sandwiches, and annoy Conservatives backbenchers..

    It's more likely to annoy the rocket sandwiches and delight the tory backbenchers considering what a colossal mess Clegg made of it. Soft differentiation or not it's fairly bizarre to highlight one of your biggest failures.

    Clegg managed to snag himself a new PR drone not that long ago so if this is the new strategy after the Farage 'triumph' he'll need to give just a touch more substance to the ever dwindling yellows to get them motivated.

    If the LDs lose all their MEPs this year, I'm wondering if they may change their position on an EU referendum.
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