And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
Publicly announcing "undercover operations" is a top move. Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
EU steel tariff hike threatens 'biggest ever crisis' for UK industry https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy875px79po The EU has announced plans to hike tariffs on imported steel in a move the UK's steel industry has said could be "perhaps the biggest crisis" it has ever faced. The commission has set out plans to cut the amount of steel that can be imported into the bloc by half - beyond which the new 50% tariffs will apply. The EU is the UK's most important export destination for steel, worth nearly £3bn and representing 78% of steel products made in the UK for overseas markets. The commission has come under pressure from some member states and their steel industries, which have been struggling to compete with cheap imports from countries like China and Turkey. The EU is proposing to reduce tariff-free quotas for imports to 18.3 million tonnes a year – a 47% reduction from 2024 levels...
So what about this deal we negotiated with the Eu…
These tariffs, if they come in, also affect Switzerland. So apparently a soft brexit would not have helped...
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
But surely Luton is a prime example of Reform Britain for just those reasons.
Hometown of Yaxley-Lennon too.
Make up of Luton council:
Labour: 30 Liberal Democrats: 15 Conservative: 3
Reform: 0 Associated Gaza Parties: 0
It won't be that after the next local elections though.
I've had a blinding flash. Hasn't happened for a while but just now - fizz bang wallop - I've had one. It's this. Reform will not be able to win the next general election on immigration. The space is getting too crowded and the issue is close to peaking in salience. So to win they are going to have convince people across the board on things like the economy, health, education, defence, taxation and the public finances. They might succeed in this but it'll be a huge challenge for what is essentially a one man band. They are a lay at current prices imo.
I'm considering that it's nearly time to call peak Reform UK.
But I'm not quite there yet. Their coalition will not hold imo - it's too wide and too shallow.
I agree.
I feel they are one fumble away from a Your Party style implosion and there's no guarantee Farage won't get bored before 2029.
In addition, my brother-in-law has recently declared him as 'not the answer' despite having attended a conference or two here in the Flatlands and previously being enthusiastic, like many in this district. Whether this means a return to 'none of the above' or something else I haven't dared to ask.
The question that's still at the back of my mind is... What does Nigel want to happen? I mean, really want to happen.
OK, I'm sure he would like the power and glory of being PM. And I'm sure he thinks he is planning to do the right thing. But does he want to spend his (relative) twilight years of 2029-34 doing that? Does he want to be seriously unpopular, not just with lefty crusties but right-thinking Britons? The sort who will flip from hailing him to hating him? Is he prepared to share the party and government with anyone else, let alone 100 of them?
And , assuming for a moment that he doesn't want that, that this is turning into a game that is getting out of hand, what does he do about it?
Maybe I'm doing him an injustice, and I'm sure some people will want to point that out to me. But something doesn't smell right. The pieces of the jigsaw don't quite fit together.
I think you misunderstand our Nige.
He's not mainly a grifter: he's a true believer that almost all the problems in the UK come from internationalism*. He thinks that if we can just roll these back, Britain will not just be more British again, but that other problems will recede too.
For that reason, I think he wil jump at the chance to enter Number Ten. And if he gets lucky, he might get to time it with a cyclical upswing in the economy.
* Not 'globalisation', but the constraining of democratically elected governments by international organizations and treaties.
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
If Bobby J is Tory leader or in a senior position at the next election then for the first time in my life I will work to defeat the Tory party at a general election.
Does Justice Sec count as "senior position"?
Yes.
One of the reasons I am a Conservative is I strongly believe in the rule of law, as Mrs T said without it there's anarchy, his attacks on the judiciary are inflammatory.
The other thing that annoys me about that snivelling little shit is that he espoused these policies whilst in government.
Watched Kemi's speech in full , but only managed about 5 minutes of RJ's before giving up. Jeez.
I appreciate that not everyone on here is a Kemi fan - not sure, that I am - but I have to say that given that choice, the membership actually got it right this time. She is incomparably better.
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
But surely Luton is a prime example of Reform Britain for just those reasons.
Hometown of Yaxley-Lennon too.
Make up of Luton council:
Labour: 30 Liberal Democrats: 15 Conservative: 3
Reform: 0 Associated Gaza Parties: 0
It won't be that after the next local elections though.
Maybe not, but it isn't exactly Reform Central, is it?
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
The irony of him saying there can be no compromise with those who want us dead while, in effect, talking about killing people for not sharing his views is clearly lost on the drunken old fool.
Isn't he the one trying to unseat the incumbent Republican senator, or is that another Trump-deluded weirdo?
He's the ultra conservative guy whose Wikipedia entry has a novella length section on his "legal issues" (he's as corrupt as they come). Also, in the manner of most devout MAGA Christian politicians, unfaithful to his wife.
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Luton is probably the definition of Hell for @Roger.
England is @Roger ‘s vision of hell. Why he posts on here is beyond me. I’m a left liberal, and a remainer, he’s everything that’s wrong with our side of the divide. That’s why I find his posts so counterproductive. Insulting your electorate appears to be a habit he jusr can’t get out of. That he doesn’t get that only demonstrates his low intelligence.
EU steel tariff hike threatens 'biggest ever crisis' for UK industry https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy875px79po The EU has announced plans to hike tariffs on imported steel in a move the UK's steel industry has said could be "perhaps the biggest crisis" it has ever faced. The commission has set out plans to cut the amount of steel that can be imported into the bloc by half - beyond which the new 50% tariffs will apply. The EU is the UK's most important export destination for steel, worth nearly £3bn and representing 78% of steel products made in the UK for overseas markets. The commission has come under pressure from some member states and their steel industries, which have been struggling to compete with cheap imports from countries like China and Turkey. The EU is proposing to reduce tariff-free quotas for imports to 18.3 million tonnes a year – a 47% reduction from 2024 levels...
The theory that tariffs affect the country imposing them rather than the country they are imposed upon seems to have gone missing on Remainer PB this evening.
Perhaps it was never quite that simple in the first place.
Tariffs damage both our country and the EU.
80% of our steel exports go there, or used to.
But Brexit put us in this bad place.
We do, however, buy more of their steel than they do ours.
Being out has tariff advantages too: not paying 25% tariffs on Chinese EVs like our EU cousins, for example.
I wonder what, if anything, we will tariff in response to these steel tariffs.
Yes, so a tariff war damages us from both sides.
Putting up trade barriers to our largest and closest market was supreme folly.
Indeed if we were still in the EU we may have been able to stop a tariff war with other producers too.
May be we could have a common trading area without all the politics stuff? Wouldn’t that be grand.
The problem is... you can't and you never could. Making economic decisions is political by definition. Heath knew that at the time and said so clearly. Those looking for apolitical economics are wishing for the Moon.
Of course these things are political. But that doesn’t mean you need a “ever closer union” monetary union, freedom of movement, etc etc
Well, 27 countries have agreed to precisely that. That's the deal, not some anaemic non Union which doesn't exist and which it appears no one else supports.
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
Publicly announcing "undercover operations" is a top move. Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
One advantage of non-existent “internal enemies” is the saving on air fares to send soldiers to fight them.
Another is the greatly reduced cost of fighting them. You don’t even need to worry about sharpened kiwi fruit.
You can declare victory and restart the war exactly as you please.
You can invent any measure you like to combat them.
In fact, non-existent internal enemies are absolutely the best kind of enemy. Everyone should have some.
Governor JB Pritzker @GovPritzker · 2h If the National Governors Association chooses to remain silent, Illinois will have no choice but to withdraw from the organization.
We should be standing as one against the idea that Donald Trump can call up the National Guard against our will.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
The irony of him saying there can be no compromise with those who want us dead while, in effect, talking about killing people for not sharing his views is clearly lost on the drunken old fool.
Isn't he the one trying to unseat the incumbent Republican senator, or is that another Trump-deluded weirdo?
He's the ultra conservative guy whose Wikipedia entry has a novella length section on his "legal issues" (he's as corrupt as they come). Also, in the manner of most devout MAGA Christian politicians, unfaithful to his wife.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
But surely Luton is a prime example of Reform Britain for just those reasons.
Hometown of Yaxley-Lennon too.
Make up of Luton council:
Labour: 30 Liberal Democrats: 15 Conservative: 3
Reform: 0 Associated Gaza Parties: 0
It won't be that after the next local elections though.
Luton is a place where the Lib Dem vote is essentially anti-Labour, as used to be the case in places like Oldham and Rochdale.
I’d expect Reform to win the three Conservative seats in Bramingham, and several from the Lib Dems. But, the only risk to Labour is from Gaza independents.
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
The irony of him saying there can be no compromise with those who want us dead while, in effect, talking about killing people for not sharing his views is clearly lost on the drunken old fool.
Isn't he the one trying to unseat the incumbent Republican senator, or is that another Trump-deluded weirdo?
He's the ultra conservative guy whose Wikipedia entry has a novella length section on his "legal issues" (he's as corrupt as they come). Also, in the manner of most devout MAGA Christian politicians, unfaithful to his wife.
I think they believe Thou Shalt Commit Adultery is one of the Ten Commandments.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806 although its debateable how Holy, how Roman and how much of an Empire it was.
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806 although its debateable how Holy, how Roman and how much of an Empire it was.
It was though the First Reich.
Roman Empire also counts - Rome was founded in 753 BCE, conventionally, and fell conventionally in 476 CE if you want to go on geography.
If you insist on emperors in the modern sense, the principate began in 27 BCE so you've got 27 BCE to 1453 CE for the Empire under that definition. Though the empire in terms of domination of other states began 2-3 centuries earlier.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806 although its debateable how Holy, how Roman and how much of an Empire it was.
It was though the First Reich.
Roman Empire also counts - Rome was founded in 753 BCE, conventionally, and fell conventionally in 476 CE if you want to go on geography.
If you insist on emperors in the modern sense, the principate began in 27 BCE so you've got 27 BCE to 1453 CE for the Empire under that definition. Though the empire in terms of domination of other states began 2-3 centuries earlier.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Indeed and many Cleverly backing MPs hate Jenrick and many Kemi loyalist MPs see him as a traitor. So if Kemi lost a VONC the odds are of a 1922 cttee coronation for Cleverly.
Jenrick may have made himself the heir to Farage today but he is still not the Conservative heir to Kemi
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Luton is probably the definition of Hell for @Roger.
England is @Roger ‘s vision of hell. Why he posts on here is beyond me. I’m a left liberal, and a remainer, he’s everything that’s wrong with our side of the divide. That’s why I find his posts so counterproductive. Insulting your electorate appears to be a habit he jusr can’t get out of. That he doesn’t get that only demonstrates his low intelligence.
I'm sure all you say about me and Luton are correct but the reason I chose Luton was rather more prosaic; It's the home town of Sean Fear!
Sorry if you didn't get it but my post was addressed to Sean.
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Tories held Luton South until 1997.
They held Luton North until 1997 as well, albeit on slightly different boundaries.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
GB News, Mail and Sun ones maybe. Peston on ITV and BBC and Times journalists were less keen and Guardian and Mirror and C4 and Independent journalists basically see him as the new Enoch Powell who they equally loathed
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
GB News, Mail and Sun ones maybe. Peston on ITV and BBC and Times journalists were less keen and Guardian and Mirror and C4 and Independent journalists basically see him as the new Enoch Powell who they equally loathed
Gosh, people loathing Enoch Powell? Whatever next? People not liking David Duke?
Okay so that’s not a power station, it’s a factory that makes jet turbines for long-range missiles.
In other news, a military train was derailed near St. Petersburg. The russian authorities denied that anything happened, but also cut off mobile phone networks in the area.
Ukraine's HUR have said that partisans in Russia set off an explosion to achieve that.
They might lie though
They might. And it is clearly in the interests of the Ukrainians for the Russians to be constantly looking over their shoulders for sabateurs and fifth columnists.
On the other hand, there is no shortage of opposition to the Putin regime - it's just that independent newspapers have been shutdown, rival politicians have been imprisoned and/or died, and a brutal security apparatus stamps down on anything that looks like it a demonstration.
Could some opponents of the Putin regime start to sabotage Russian war efforts? The answer is 'probably not', but the more cracks appear in the regime, the more you might doubt that Putin will be around long-term to punish you, and maybe 'throwing a spanner in the works' no longer seems quite as risky as it did.
And the more fuel shotages there are, especially with winter coming, the more subtle grumbling there will be.
So, who knows?
There are small volunteer Russian forces that fight on Ukraine's side. Quite a bit of partisan activity in Russia has already been documented. This is covered on the Ukraine: The Latest podcast from the Telegraph about once a fortnight, when they have an update on the resistance activity in occupied Ukraine and partisan activity in Russia.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
GB News, Mail and Sun ones maybe. Peston on ITV and BBC and Times journalists were less keen and Guardian and Mirror and C4 and Independent journalists basically see him as the new Enoch Powell who they equally loathed
Gosh, people loathing Enoch Powell? Whatever next? People not liking David Duke?
I first read this as Daisy Duke, which then placed an image of a range of leading Tories in short denim shorts into my head. To whom do I apply for compensation?
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Luton is probably the definition of Hell for @Roger.
England is @Roger ‘s vision of hell. Why he posts on here is beyond me. I’m a left liberal, and a remainer, he’s everything that’s wrong with our side of the divide. That’s why I find his posts so counterproductive. Insulting your electorate appears to be a habit he jusr can’t get out of. That he doesn’t get that only demonstrates his low intelligence.
Roger likes parts of England, just as long as they don’t go beyond London, Oxford, Cambridge, Bath, Bristol, York and Manchester and the Remainy posh bits of Surrey and the Cotswolds
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
The irony of him saying there can be no compromise with those who want us dead while, in effect, talking about killing people for not sharing his views is clearly lost on the drunken old fool.
Isn't he the one trying to unseat the incumbent Republican senator, or is that another Trump-deluded weirdo?
He's the ultra conservative guy whose Wikipedia entry has a novella length section on his "legal issues" (he's as corrupt as they come). Also, in the manner of most devout MAGA Christian politicians, unfaithful to his wife.
I think they believe Thou Shalt Commit Adultery is one of the Ten Commandments.
Robert Barker and Martin Lucas have entered the chat....
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Tories held Luton South until 1997.
They held Luton North until 1997 as well, albeit on slightly different boundaries.
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
It depends how you define continuous. Ancient China, Egypt, the Southern Indian Pandyan empire all have claims to have lasted well over a millennium, but none were continuous dynasties, I think ?
That record goes to the Japanese imperial dynasty.
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Tories held Luton South until 1997.
Tories held Birmingham Hall Green from 1950 until 1997 too. Got 14% last time.
Not all demographic change, much of it is the same people voting differently.
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
Publicly announcing "undercover operations" is a top move. Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
Infiltrating "leftist terror cells in Texas" sounds like nice work if you can get it. "Still looking boss. I'll let you know as soon as we find one."
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806 although its debateable how Holy, how Roman and how much of an Empire it was.
It was though the First Reich.
Roman Empire also counts - Rome was founded in 753 BCE, conventionally, and fell conventionally in 476 CE if you want to go on geography.
If you insist on emperors in the modern sense, the principate began in 27 BCE so you've got 27 BCE to 1453 CE for the Empire under that definition. Though the empire in terms of domination of other states began 2-3 centuries earlier.
Japan and China too.
England's still got some way to go, at least outwith Britain, counting its Irish enclave c. 1250 as the beginning. Or should I say the Empire of Normandy?
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
I think you're joking but it's not always easy to tell. If on the off chance you're being serious I really can't see it. Those kind of bad smells follow politicians to their grave and even if we might be going through one of those 'moments' the direction of travel is inexorably in the opposite direction. This will more than likely finish him.
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
Publicly announcing "undercover operations" is a top move. Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
Infiltrating "leftist terror cells in Texas" sounds like nice work if you can get it. "Still looking boss. I'll let you know as soon as we find one."
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
Okay so that’s not a power station, it’s a factory that makes jet turbines for long-range missiles.
In other news, a military train was derailed near St. Petersburg. The russian authorities denied that anything happened, but also cut off mobile phone networks in the area.
Ukraine's HUR have said that partisans in Russia set off an explosion to achieve that.
They might lie though
They might. And it is clearly in the interests of the Ukrainians for the Russians to be constantly looking over their shoulders for sabateurs and fifth columnists.
On the other hand, there is no shortage of opposition to the Putin regime - it's just that independent newspapers have been shutdown, rival politicians have been imprisoned and/or died, and a brutal security apparatus stamps down on anything that looks like it a demonstration.
Could some opponents of the Putin regime start to sabotage Russian war efforts? The answer is 'probably not', but the more cracks appear in the regime, the more you might doubt that Putin will be around long-term to punish you, and maybe 'throwing a spanner in the works' no longer seems quite as risky as it did.
And the more fuel shotages there are, especially with winter coming, the more subtle grumbling there will be.
So, who knows?
There are small volunteer Russian forces that fight on Ukraine's side. Quite a bit of partisan activity in Russia has already been documented. This is covered on the Ukraine: The Latest podcast from the Telegraph about once a fortnight, when they have an update on the resistance activity in occupied Ukraine and partisan activity in Russia.
Quite a few of the fires etc in Russia, Ukraine and third countries seem to have been carried out by recruiting local malcontents and/or offers of money. There have been indications that Russia has been trying to manipulate third party activists, in other countries - see the "pro Palestinian" activists in the Czech Republic who managed to damage military vehicles being sent to... Ukraine.
In the case of the attacks in Russia, there seem to be quite a few people who will set fire to factory for a few dollars. How much that translates to, for, at or near, by with or from opposition to Putin and chums is an unknown.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Jenrick is comfortably ahead of Badenoch in this recent Tory party members poll.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Jenrick is comfortably ahead of Badenoch in this recent Tory party members poll.
Incidentally, I haven't accused Tory party members or even Jenrick of being racist, so you seem to be projecting.
Tory party members are like particularly self-unaware lemmings. They don’t realise the more they like a candidate the less suitable for high office that candidate is. See also: Truss.
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length...
I'm beginning to regret starting that meme, especially since, if memory doesn't deceive, you aren't the author of the longest article (I think that's @ydoethur )
Just seen the full clip of Bob Jenrick's final few seconds of his speech.
OMG.
He actually said "let's build this new order"!!
And everyone is freaking over "take our country back"???
I saw New Order live once. The stage collapsed.
That’s them Thousand Year Reichs fer ye.
I always think a thousand years was a bit optimistic. Has there EVER been an empire that lasted that long? Arguably the Eastern Roman Empire lived into the medieval period but was that a thousand years?
The Holy Roman Empire lasted from 800 to 1806 although its debateable how Holy, how Roman and how much of an Empire it was.
It was though the First Reich.
Roman Empire also counts - Rome was founded in 753 BCE, conventionally, and fell conventionally in 476 CE if you want to go on geography.
If you insist on emperors in the modern sense, the principate began in 27 BCE so you've got 27 BCE to 1453 CE for the Empire under that definition. Though the empire in terms of domination of other states began 2-3 centuries earlier.
Japan and China too.
England's still got some way to go, at least outwith Britain, counting its Irish enclave c. 1250 as the beginning. Or should I say the Empire of Normandy?
Denmark might have a better case.
Athelstan (927) is commonly recognised as the first king of a united England. Whereas Denmark is probably Harald Bluetooth about 50 years later
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
That's a phrase I've been using with increasing frequency, too. (Though "polite to a fault" might be stretching it, in my case.)
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Jenrick is comfortably ahead of Badenoch in this recent Tory party members poll.
Incidentally, I haven't accused Tory party members or even Jenrick of being racist, so you seem to be projecting.
After the Sutton Coldfield speech, you could be forgiven for suggesting the narrative regarding Handsworth is nothing less than copper bottomed racism.
And no Nigel this is not another idea for your manifesto.
Publicly announcing "undercover operations" is a top move. Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
Infiltrating "leftist terror cells in Texas" sounds like nice work if you can get it. "Still looking boss. I'll let you know as soon as we find one."
No, no, no.
You need to say "We found cells, but they are incredibly difficult to infiltrate. I will need $500k/year to work undercover infilitrating them as it is such dangerous work. I won't be able to call back in for safety reasons, so just deposit the money into my bank account."
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Jenrick is comfortably ahead of Badenoch in this recent Tory party members poll.
Incidentally, I haven't accused Tory party members or even Jenrick of being racist, so you seem to be projecting.
Racist adjacent then? Jenrick was close to that today. I don't believe the members are.
The Sky poll was what I was referring to - no other candidate was offered. Would Kemi stand if toppled and would MPs put her forward? I don't think it was a choice which the members will ever have to make.
Who are the 11% going to vote for anyway? Are they not the "Kemi is no good but Jenrick is worse" faction? They surely can't be "Jenrick isn't mad enough, we want more red meat".
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Do they? They didn't vote for him last time.
Polling suggests that they have changed their minds. Or maybe lost their minds, or is that the same thing?
Well, Kemi is certainly a disappointment so far, so some changing of minds is inevitable. No alternative candidate was offered in the latest poll and there almost certainly would be one.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Jenrick is comfortably ahead of Badenoch in this recent Tory party members poll.
Incidentally, I haven't accused Tory party members or even Jenrick of being racist, so you seem to be projecting.
46% for Jenrick, 39% for Badenoch and 11% neither on that poll little different to the 43% Jenrick got last year. So plenty of scope for Cleverly if there was a leadership contest that went to the members even if he did not get a coronation from the 1922 cttee and Tory MPs
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
We laughed at the time. But this is effectively the Tory party now :
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
I think you're joking but it's not always easy to tell. If on the off chance you're being serious I really can't see it. Those kind of bad smells follow politicians to their grave and even if we might be going through one of those 'moments' the direction of travel is inexorably in the opposite direction. This will more than likely finish him.
No I'm deadly serious. PB Tories may be squeamish but the blue collar voters I rub shoulders with have pricked up their ears. They are listening to Jenrick and they will listen to Jenrick Tories. It's all very Trumpian, but Jenrick is making Farage look very Centrist Dad. Although I haven't confirmed this with Tirana taxi drivers yet.
Jenrick spouts damaging, self-serving, legally illiterate crap pretty much every time he opens his mouth. I could write a header listing all the things he gets wrong about pretty much everything but (a) I can't be arsed and (b) @viewcode would faint in horror at its length.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
We laughed at the time. But this is effectively the Tory party now :
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
I think you're joking but it's not always easy to tell. If on the off chance you're being serious I really can't see it. Those kind of bad smells follow politicians to their grave and even if we might be going through one of those 'moments' the direction of travel is inexorably in the opposite direction. This will more than likely finish him.
No I'm deadly serious. PB Tories may be squeamish but the blue collar voters I rub shoulders with have pricked up their ears. They are listening to Jenrick and they will listen to Jenrick Tories. It's all very Trumpian, but Jenrick is making Farage look very Centrist Dad. Although I haven't confirmed this with Tirana taxi drivers yet.
Remember Enoch! A nine day wonder. A few months later all anyone remembers is his Rivers of Blood and Hitler moustache. A shrivalled little man less well regarded than Mosely.
These racist fads come and go but all the time the young people are growing older and they don't want to see any of that crap. They don't even get it or recognise what it's all about.
The Tories are out of time. Jenrick wouldn't be welcome in Reform. They're a racist Party but they don't want to be seen attracting racists
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
I think you're joking but it's not always easy to tell. If on the off chance you're being serious I really can't see it. Those kind of bad smells follow politicians to their grave and even if we might be going through one of those 'moments' the direction of travel is inexorably in the opposite direction. This will more than likely finish him.
No I'm deadly serious. PB Tories may be squeamish but the blue collar voters I rub shoulders with have pricked up their ears. They are listening to Jenrick and they will listen to Jenrick Tories. It's all very Trumpian, but Jenrick is making Farage look very Centrist Dad. Although I haven't confirmed this with Tirana taxi drivers yet.
Remember Enoch! A nine day wonder. A few months later all anyone remembers is his Rivers of Blood and Hitler moustache. A shrivalled little man less well regarded than Mosely.
These racist fads come and go but all the time the young people are growing older and they don't want to see any of that crap. They don't even get it or recognise what it's all about.
The Tories are out of time. Jenrick wouldn't be welcome in Reform. They're a racist Party but they don't want to be seen attracting racists
Jenrick is more subtle than Peter Griffiths, Enoch Powell or Terry Dicks. His racism like Boris Johnson's (Picanninies with water melon smiles and women looking like letterboxes was of course simply satire) is deniable, for the moment at least.
I doubt Jenrick dislikes dark skinned people. I would imagine he's fairly agnostic about whether people of an olive complexion come or go. He thinks he's tapped into a rich seam and he will pick away as long as it remains helpful to him. It is cheap politics, but it is effective politics.
Don't forget he's a sly f*****. Not many would have survived the Dirty Desmond scandal, and make no mistake that was a proper scandal.
The question is whether Jenrick is “racist” is not illuminating. Yet, whether something or someone is “racist” consumes a massive amount of media attention and focus in 2025.
No, what is relevant is that Jenrick’s comments - taken out of context or not - were offensive.
God only knows how I’d feel if I was a brown migrant or perhaps even just brown, in the UK today. I would not be feeling very welcome, and I would also be feeling that the next Tory leader is stoking racial enmity for partisan advantage.
Jenrick should apologize, but he hasn’t and he won’t. He’s beyond the pale.
Kemi Badenoch’s future in doubt as shadow ministers consider coup
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
I predict that Badenoch is a gonner in 7 months or less.
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
You have to give Jenrick credit. He is testing the maxim that "there's no such thing as bad publicity" to the limit.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
Jenrick has done well today, and he has done himself and his party a power of good.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
I think you're joking but it's not always easy to tell. If on the off chance you're being serious I really can't see it. Those kind of bad smells follow politicians to their grave and even if we might be going through one of those 'moments' the direction of travel is inexorably in the opposite direction. This will more than likely finish him.
No I'm deadly serious. PB Tories may be squeamish but the blue collar voters I rub shoulders with have pricked up their ears. They are listening to Jenrick and they will listen to Jenrick Tories. It's all very Trumpian, but Jenrick is making Farage look very Centrist Dad. Although I haven't confirmed this with Tirana taxi drivers yet.
Remember Enoch! A nine day wonder. A few months later all anyone remembers is his Rivers of Blood and Hitler moustache. A shrivalled little man less well regarded than Mosely.
These racist fads come and go but all the time the young people are growing older and they don't want to see any of that crap. They don't even get it or recognise what it's all about.
The Tories are out of time. Jenrick wouldn't be welcome in Reform. They're a racist Party but they don't want to be seen attracting racists
Jenrick is more subtle than Peter Griffiths, Enoch Powell or Terry Dicks. His racism like Boris Johnson's (Picanninies with water melon smiles and women looking like letterboxes was of course simply satire) is deniable, for the moment at least.
I doubt Jenrick dislikes dark skinned people. I would imagine he's fairly agnostic about whether people of an olive complexion come or go. He thinks he's tapped into a rich seam and he will pick away as long as it remains helpful to him. It is cheap politics, but it is effective politics.
Don't forget he's a sly f*****. Not many would have survived the Dirty Desmond scandal, and make no mistake that was a proper scandal.
Didn’t Terry Dicks write a lot of the Dr Who Target novelisations?
The Tories seem to have announced 750,000 deportations, threatened judicial independence, a policy to allow police to stop individuals “without suspicion”, and a British “ICE”.
Jenrick’s comments were obviously offensive, but his bigger point was not necessarily unreasonable. The correct course was to apologize, but he appears to have accused the media of encouraging terrorism instead. Badenoch has continued her policy of peddling naive and superficial nonsense. Stride’s economic policy is sweeping cuts on services to pay for continuing the triple lock forever.
How can anyone sane vote for *that*?
Meanwhile the Greens wish to legalise crack cocaine, but ban renting.
The appalling prospect for the UK is that the only half sane choice is Labour (and the Lib Dems) who have no vision, but at least don’t actively wish to crash the country.
I am not sure I can be in the same party as Robert Jenrick.
If the party wants to go down the Jenrick route then it deserves to die.
Just in case anyone was naive enough to take his comments last night as throwaway chat at a Tory dinner, he comes up today demanding that we TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK.
We're now in a polity where the parties of the right are so hard over to the right that they have to compete with each other about who can stoke division and hate the hardest.
Sorry mate, the party is cooked. Because even if Badenoch is ousted you're getting *that* as leader, after whom there will be little left.
If Bob was dog whistling for clicks and headlines he can award himself an A*.
It's unusual for a prospective leader of one of the main parties to persuade me *not* to vote for a party he's in charge of before he even gets the job! well done, Jenrick!
I suspect Honest Bob has calculated that for every JosiasJessop he repels he attracts ten Lucy Connollys.
Like it or not, an awful lot of people in the country think Farage is right about immigration. People like my next door neighbour. Not a beer swilling, skinhead, BNP type racist, just someone who think that immigration is out of control.
I am not suggesting he is wrong or right, but if you want to get elected you need votes. And you need enough to get you a majority.
Good politicians... well, bad politicians as well... I guess I'm saying effective politicians don't just follow the little-thought-through views of the electorate. They persuade the electorate. They respond to the concerns of the electorate (they think immigration has been out of control), but not by just giving them the obvious kneejerk response (saying immigration is still out of control and all immigrants are bad).
I think good politicians are also ones who realise that sometimes the plebs are right.
Jenrick has taken the media by storm today and certainly made the news
Apparently Badenoch is being interviewed by Beth Rigby from the conference live on Sky at 5.00pm
Yes, after last week's disastrous Labour Party Conference your party has captured the narrative (captured exclusively by Jenrick).
You have had a great day today! No news is bad news, and he has stolen the news cycle.
I'm in France so it's not ideal to get the full flavour of what's going on, But am I right in thinking
1. Jenrick has screwed his chances of ever leading a group of boy scouts let alone a political Party
or
2. Has the leadership of the Tory Party nailed on?
The same France that is collapsing into political turmoil and chaos
I would rather be here in Wales and the UK despite its problems
A sunny place with an azure blue sea and bars and cafes heaving with cheerful staff from all over the continent including Ireland here to learn the language and have fun...
Everyone but the English.......
What a screw up your selfish rotten Party have made of the UK
Yet you're there, you fucking idiot!
I'm a rejoiner but you really make us look stupid. Stay off the board if you want to progress the cause you claim to espouse. Slagging off the UK and catastrophising is part of what got us into this state in the first place. France is in as much of a mess politically we are and Brexit hasn't changed the weather you buffoon.
Your antediluvian sexual politics should have got you banned years ago anyway. Knob.
You meanie,
I greatly enjoy @rogers baiting of the Brexiteers, and the Reformites of Hartlepool. It's always worth pointing out that Farage's life work has been a massive failure that has done permenant harm to the country.
I see that today our main export market for steel has just slapped on a 50% tariff.
It's cold outside...
The baiting comes from a place of raging left wing snobbery.
Perhaps, but delivered with with and style!
Provence seems, to me, to be Reform’s Britain, dialled up to eleven.
It could never be that dull and rancid. The place is as cosmopolitan as London. You're maybe confusing it with Luton?.
Luton? A town with a non-white majority, with the Asian ethnic group being the largest at 37%, followed by White at 45.2% and a population younger than the national average, with more people under 15 and fewer over 65. A town where Christianity is the majority religion at 37.9%, closely followed by Islam at 32.9%. Recent data also indicating significant population growth driven by international migration?
And that is where you’re suggesting is emblematic of a Reform Britain?
You really are a stupid as I thought.
Luton is probably the definition of Hell for @Roger.
Cyclefree said it better than me cause she can write and that, but Jenrick is a cuntfuck and if he's all we've got we deserve to die out as a party. And if this country can't come up with a better party then sod you lot I'm moving to Zambia
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Since there likely aren't any "leftist terror cells", I suppose giving them advance warning isn't a problem, though.
https://www.usi.ch/en/feeds/30582
He's not mainly a grifter: he's a true believer that almost all the problems in the UK come from internationalism*. He thinks that if we can just roll these back, Britain will not just be more British again, but that other problems will recede too.
For that reason, I think he wil jump at the chance to enter Number Ten. And if he gets lucky, he might get to time it with a cyclical upswing in the economy.
* Not 'globalisation', but the constraining of democratically elected governments by international organizations and treaties.
I appreciate that not everyone on here is a Kemi fan - not sure, that I am - but I have to say that given that choice, the membership actually got it right this time. She is incomparably better.
Also, in the manner of most devout MAGA Christian politicians, unfaithful to his wife.
Another is the greatly reduced cost of fighting them. You don’t even need to worry about sharpened kiwi fruit.
You can declare victory and restart the war exactly as you please.
You can invent any measure you like to combat them.
In fact, non-existent internal enemies are absolutely the best kind of enemy. Everyone should have some.
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We should be standing as one against the idea that Donald Trump can call up the National Guard against our will.
The Tory leader tried to rebuff Robert Jenrick’s simmering challenge at conference — but some think she is heading for a poor performance in the May elections
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/kemi-badenoch-future-shadow-cabinet-robert-jenrick-k7xwh5tdg?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_page=Politics&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1759867683
And that you'll have resigned your membership within 12 months with no-cartoons-for-kids, fifty-shades-of-white as the Tory leader.
I’d expect Reform to win the three Conservative seats in Bramingham, and several from the Lib Dems. But, the only risk to Labour is from Gaza independents.
Nailed on next Tory leader. The Tory membership lap up this stuff.
The getting rid of lefty ("foreigner" loving) lawyers will be popular and the "there are too many "foreigners" in Birmingham and a city near you" is what everyone wants to hear, unless they are a lefty to be scorned or a "foreigner".
It isn't the sort of country I want to live in, but neither was Brexit Britain and PBers loved it, so what do I know?
The media are lapping this up. The first time since the election that a politician who isn't Nigel Farage has captured the hearts of the nation's journalists.
It was though the First Reich.
If you insist on emperors in the modern sense, the principate began in 27 BCE so you've got 27 BCE to 1453 CE for the Empire under that definition. Though the empire in terms of domination of other states began 2-3 centuries earlier.
Jenrick may have made himself the heir to Farage today but he is still not the Conservative heir to Kemi
Sorry if you didn't get it but my post was addressed to Sean.
He might say one thing too many (if he hasn't already).
You might think all Tories are racists, but the evidence is mostly that they are not. The loony faction bleeding to Reform surely makes a moderate candidate more likely to succeed?
Ancient China, Egypt, the Southern Indian Pandyan empire all have claims to have lasted well over a millennium, but none were continuous dynasties, I think ?
That record goes to the Japanese imperial dynasty.
Not all demographic change, much of it is the same people voting differently.
Denmark might have a better case.
He is, in the words of my husband (mild-mannered, polite to a fault) an utter twat. (I have removed the adjectives as libel lawyers already earn too much.)
If he is the Tory party's best hope, we may as well order the sandwiches for the funeral tea now. The Tories have been irrelevant for some time now. They could try the hard work of resetting themselves. There is a route back for them but no adults willing to take them on that journey. So they are stuck. But if they go down the Jenrick route they will crumble to dust and deserve to do so.
In the case of the attacks in Russia, there seem to be quite a few people who will set fire to factory for a few dollars. How much that translates to, for, at or near, by with or from opposition to Putin and chums is an unknown.
https://news.sky.com/story/flatplan-13446008
Incidentally, I haven't accused Tory party members or even Jenrick of being racist, so you seem to be projecting.
(Though "polite to a fault" might be stretching it, in my case.)
You need to say "We found cells, but they are incredibly difficult to infiltrate. I will need $500k/year to work undercover infilitrating them as it is such dangerous work. I won't be able to call back in for safety reasons, so just deposit the money into my bank account."
Hamish Linklater does the best villain of any current actor.
He restrains his base
Richard Hanania"
https://unherd.com/2025/10/the-post-trump-gop-will-be-even-crazier
The Sky poll was what I was referring to - no other candidate was offered. Would Kemi stand if toppled and would MPs put her forward? I don't think it was a choice which the members will ever have to make.
Who are the 11% going to vote for anyway? Are they not the "Kemi is no good but Jenrick is worse" faction? They surely can't be "Jenrick isn't mad enough, we want more red meat".
Badenoch and 11% neither on that poll little different to the 43% Jenrick got last year. So plenty of scope for Cleverly if there was a leadership contest that went to the members even if he did not get a coronation from the 1922 cttee and Tory MPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17UIwAFOyk
"Footage of the extraordinary exchanges of the Handforth parish council meeting in Cheshire"
These racist fads come and go but all the time the young people are growing older and they don't want to see any of that crap. They don't even get it or recognise what it's all about.
The Tories are out of time. Jenrick wouldn't be welcome in Reform. They're a racist Party but they don't want to be seen attracting racists
I doubt Jenrick dislikes dark skinned people. I would imagine he's fairly agnostic about whether people of an olive complexion come or go. He thinks he's tapped into a rich seam and he will pick away as long as it remains helpful to him. It is cheap politics, but it is effective politics.
Don't forget he's a sly f*****. Not many would have survived the Dirty Desmond scandal, and make no mistake that was a proper scandal.
No, what is relevant is that Jenrick’s comments - taken out of context or not - were offensive.
God only knows how I’d feel if I was a brown migrant or perhaps even just brown, in the UK today. I would not be feeling very welcome, and I would also be feeling that the next Tory leader is stoking racial enmity for partisan advantage.
Jenrick should apologize, but he hasn’t and he won’t.
He’s beyond the pale.
The Tories seem to have announced 750,000 deportations, threatened judicial independence, a policy to allow police to stop individuals “without suspicion”, and a British “ICE”.
Jenrick’s comments were obviously offensive, but his bigger point was not necessarily unreasonable. The correct course was to apologize, but he appears to have accused the media of encouraging terrorism instead. Badenoch has continued her policy of peddling naive and superficial nonsense. Stride’s economic policy is sweeping cuts on services to pay for continuing the triple lock forever.
How can anyone sane vote for *that*?
Meanwhile the Greens wish to legalise crack cocaine, but ban renting.
The appalling prospect for the UK is that the only half sane choice is Labour (and the Lib Dems) who have no vision, but at least don’t actively wish to crash the country.