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  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,077

    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    This is what I said earlier today - in reply to a heartfelt comment by @DavidL


    "I doubt anyone on here, of any perspective, would seriously disagree with this. Many asylum seekers are - by definition - genuinely desperate people seeking a better life instead of a terrible life

    But - it must be faced - an awful lot are liars. They destroy their own documents so we can’t truly identify and then deport them. Also, they don’t seek asylum in Greece or Belgium - they come all the way to Britain. Why? Because often they are economic migrants, not asylum seekers at all. True asylum seekers would claim asylum in the first safe country

    Then we have a very small minority who are actively hostile and malign. The relative numbers are tiny - but they exist and they seek to harm us

    It’s a mess. It is unsustainable. The answer is to abandon the outdated concept of asylum and withdraw from the ECHR. Make it illegal to cross the channel in small boats

    Then we choose as a country who we will protect. We can’t shelter the world so let’s stop pretending we can - it’s doing enormous damage to the UK

    We can still do good. We can, for instance, shelter Hong Kongers and Ukrainians. And others in the future"


    I am pleased to see the estimable Mr Syed agrees with me entirely, after his two day visit to Calais

    And as I said the other day, what we need to do is end proxy wars and stabilise their home countries.

    Have you not noticed most of these small boat chappies are, well, chaps? Have you not channelled your inner Cyclefree and asked what is the difference between men and women that would make only the former seek asylum?

    It's not economics. It's war, or crime so bad it might as well be war. Men are fleeing being pressed into the army, militias or street gangs. And that's why the answer lies in pacifying large parts of Africa and not in ID cards for car-washers.
    Yeah. Stabilise Africa, Islam and the MENA. No biggie. Should take, what, couple weeks?
    There really is only one way - that is to eliminate the pull factors, and the wretched Tories were groping towards that end with the Rwanda policy, only to be reversed by Starmer just because

    The pull factor would still exist even with the remote threat posed by an implemented Rwanda (which ad a capacity of how many 100s max?)

    The pull factor is the black economy - that's what we should be closing down.
    The idea is to make the threat not remote. Nothing much can be done to alter most of the pull factors - language, labour market (incl black economy), legal protections, ECHR, benefits etc - but the threat of immediate deportation with asylum claims assessed outside the UK can certainly diminish the ardour of the would be immigrants

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,883

    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    From all reality the message is black lives matter more than any others, methinks yiu are getting a bit mixed up.
    BLM is also massively damaging for the Left, as the ultra-Wokery makes them look mad

    4 years after George Floyd died and it went tits up, Trump won a comprehensive victory, better than 2016. There is a through line here
    George Floyd. God, I remember that.

    Yes, he was murdered in real-time on camera, despicably, and then he became a Saint, and then the world went completely mad.
    He came to stand for the many other African Americans who were murdered in real-time, but it wasn’t caught on camera.
    See the key word there is "American"....their problem not ours, peformative assholery here changes nothing is merely virtue signalling while being racist. If you look at police killings in america and control for poverty you will find the who is killed stats a lot more in line with the ethnic demography in any case.
    Yes, BLM began as an American movement in reaction to an American history of racism. But there are some commonalities wind connections with ourselves, the history of the British Empire, and ongoing racism in our society. I don’t see that trying to do something about that is a bad thing.

    Sure, some actions taken were performative, but I’d rather someone be performatively anti-racist than, say, being performatively anti-Muslim (which is at least 5% of posts on PB). I would prefer to target my cynicism a bit more than you do!
    Anything performative is by its very nature total bollocks, you only do it if you have an audience to see you do it. It is about acruing woke virtue points and nothing else.
    But he had his earnest face on. Personally, I'm pretty sure this image alone stopped most racism in its tracks.

    image
    KNEEL BEFORE ZOD
    A few years ago I was trying to remember a website that was a parody of Zod by (as I remember) the Something Awful people.

    But I misremembered the name as 'Zog'.

    Boy, oh boy. Is that a websearch I regret doing at work... :'(
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,924
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    From all reality the message is black lives matter more than any others, methinks yiu are getting a bit mixed up.
    BLM is also massively damaging for the Left, as the ultra-Wokery makes them look mad

    4 years after George Floyd died and it went tits up, Trump won a comprehensive victory, better than 2016. There is a through line here
    George Floyd. God, I remember that.

    Yes, he was murdered in real-time on camera, despicably, and then he became a Saint, and then the world went completely mad.
    He came to stand for the many other African Americans who were murdered in real-time, but it wasn’t caught on camera.
    See the key word there is "American"....their problem not ours, peformative assholery here changes nothing is merely virtue signalling while being racist. If you look at police killings in america and control for poverty you will find the who is killed stats a lot more in line with the ethnic demography in any case.
    Yes, BLM began as an American movement in reaction to an American history of racism. But there are some commonalities wind connections with ourselves, the history of the British Empire, and ongoing racism in our society. I don’t see that trying to do something about that is a bad thing.

    Sure, some actions taken were performative, but I’d rather someone be performatively anti-racist than, say, being performatively anti-Muslim (which is at least 5% of posts on PB). I would prefer to target my cynicism a bit more than you do!
    Anything performative is by its very nature total bollocks, you only do it if you have an audience to see you do it. It is about acruing woke virtue points and nothing else.
    But he had his earnest face on. Personally, I'm pretty sure this image alone stopped most racism in its tracks.

    image
    Never mind knees, what's happening with the shelves behind him?
    I wondered exactly the same thing when I dug out the picture. Apart from just... wut? Who has a spare top shelf with nothing to fill it? Apart from Keir's Labour Party.

    Oh.

    Maybe it was a cry for help?
    The top shelf contains the labour plans for government
    Where's the vase ?
    I think it was a metaphorical vase with labours finances they can't afford a real ming vase
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,266
    edited June 7
    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,077
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Orwellian

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,924
    edited June 7
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,570

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Sir John Curtice:

    Times Radio
    @TimesRadio

    “Reform has essentially taken the coalition of people who gave Boris Johnson his majority in 2019.”

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1931346961321402512

    Boris got 44% in 2019. Reform UK are polling around 30-32%. They need a third of their support again to match Boris.
    Perhaps that's the way - Boris joins Reform and they do a reverse merger with the rump Tories to become the Reformatories aka borstal boys

    @bondegezou is characteristically wrong. If the electoral field is fragmented as it is now, then 32% might do fine for Reform, under FPTP
    Tactical voting might do for Nige though, especially if his ceiling is 30% or so. He will have to tread carefully, which he's not well known for. The attack on Sarwar in the Scottish by-election backfired, encouraged Labour's vote to turn out, and delivered an unexpected victory for Labour.

    People certainly do want immigration tackled, but they are squeamish about voting for obvious bad 'uns who are playing them - this is not the USofA.
    FPTP is a terrible system, so Reform UK might win a majority on 30%. 30%, nevertheless, remains only three quarters of what Boris got.
    FPTP is a good system. You have to actually come first in 325 seats to form a government as of right. In every single one of them there is a cage fight going on to stop you doing it. if you can do it with 30% of the vote, it is equally true that someone else can stop you by getting 31%, so it's obviously harder than it sounds. You have to come first in actual communities that are quite small units and they are all different. It's a clever thing to be able to do in 50% + of the entire country.

    We are a democracy of seats, not of votes. It has great merit.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,639

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    It might do if we were the US where yes killing black people seems to be a police past time, though if you look at police killings in the us the more commonality seems to be poor people.

    Here not so much so the sub text doesn't work here its just a racist exposition
    It has more resonance in America, I'd agree with that. But it's not totally inappropriate here. Anti-black racism isn't a 'sorted' issue.
    Neither is anti white racism nor anti asian racism and both happen here as well. Your argument therefore is null and void....factor in also our police kill very few people compared to american police
    You're overthinking it. One last go.

    I see a person kicking a cat, ok. It's a cruel and nasty spectacle and it upsets me. So I intervene. I stop the abuse and then I protest to the guy who did it. I look him in the eye and I go ...

    "Cats matter, you no good so and so. CATS MATTER!"

    I put the footage on the internet with that slogan.

    Have I done wrong? Should I have stressed that lots of other things matter too?
    So why did they not do a similar campaign when the lorry driver was beheaded by islamists?
    This is called whataboutery. There are many terrible things in the world, but where does it get us to react to any campaign to make something better by berating the campaigners about why they didn’t do something for another problem?
    Exactly. I countersign this and now go back to watching Ten Pound Poms.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    From all reality the message is black lives matter more than any others, methinks yiu are getting a bit mixed up.
    BLM is also massively damaging for the Left, as the ultra-Wokery makes them look mad

    4 years after George Floyd died and it went tits up, Trump won a comprehensive victory, better than 2016. There is a through line here
    George Floyd. God, I remember that.

    Yes, he was murdered in real-time on camera, despicably, and then he became a Saint, and then the world went completely mad.
    He came to stand for the many other African Americans who were murdered in real-time, but it wasn’t caught on camera.
    See the key word there is "American"....their problem not ours, peformative assholery here changes nothing is merely virtue signalling while being racist. If you look at police killings in america and control for poverty you will find the who is killed stats a lot more in line with the ethnic demography in any case.
    Yes, BLM began as an American movement in reaction to an American history of racism. But there are some commonalities wind connections with ourselves, the history of the British Empire, and ongoing racism in our society. I don’t see that trying to do something about that is a bad thing.

    Sure, some actions taken were performative, but I’d rather someone be performatively anti-racist than, say, being performatively anti-Muslim (which is at least 5% of posts on PB). I would prefer to target my cynicism a bit more than you do!
    Anything performative is by its very nature total bollocks, you only do it if you have an audience to see you do it. It is about acruing woke virtue points and nothing else.
    But he had his earnest face on. Personally, I'm pretty sure this image alone stopped most racism in its tracks.

    image
    Never mind knees, what's happening with the shelves behind him?
    I wondered exactly the same thing when I dug out the picture. Apart from just... wut? Who has a spare top shelf with nothing to fill it? Apart from Keir's Labour Party.

    Oh.

    Maybe it was a cry for help?
    The top shelf contains the labour plans for government
    Where's the vase ?
    It broke?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,924

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    From all reality the message is black lives matter more than any others, methinks yiu are getting a bit mixed up.
    BLM is also massively damaging for the Left, as the ultra-Wokery makes them look mad

    4 years after George Floyd died and it went tits up, Trump won a comprehensive victory, better than 2016. There is a through line here
    George Floyd. God, I remember that.

    Yes, he was murdered in real-time on camera, despicably, and then he became a Saint, and then the world went completely mad.
    He came to stand for the many other African Americans who were murdered in real-time, but it wasn’t caught on camera.
    See the key word there is "American"....their problem not ours, peformative assholery here changes nothing is merely virtue signalling while being racist. If you look at police killings in america and control for poverty you will find the who is killed stats a lot more in line with the ethnic demography in any case.
    Yes, BLM began as an American movement in reaction to an American history of racism. But there are some commonalities wind connections with ourselves, the history of the British Empire, and ongoing racism in our society. I don’t see that trying to do something about that is a bad thing.

    Sure, some actions taken were performative, but I’d rather someone be performatively anti-racist than, say, being performatively anti-Muslim (which is at least 5% of posts on PB). I would prefer to target my cynicism a bit more than you do!
    Anything performative is by its very nature total bollocks, you only do it if you have an audience to see you do it. It is about acruing woke virtue points and nothing else.
    But he had his earnest face on. Personally, I'm pretty sure this image alone stopped most racism in its tracks.

    image
    Never mind knees, what's happening with the shelves behind him?
    I wondered exactly the same thing when I dug out the picture. Apart from just... wut? Who has a spare top shelf with nothing to fill it? Apart from Keir's Labour Party.

    Oh.

    Maybe it was a cry for help?
    The top shelf contains the labour plans for government
    Where's the vase ?
    It broke?
    They said they had a plan....as far as we can see it doesn't exist...they said they had a ming vase....
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,924
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    It might do if we were the US where yes killing black people seems to be a police past time, though if you look at police killings in the us the more commonality seems to be poor people.

    Here not so much so the sub text doesn't work here its just a racist exposition
    It has more resonance in America, I'd agree with that. But it's not totally inappropriate here. Anti-black racism isn't a 'sorted' issue.
    Neither is anti white racism nor anti asian racism and both happen here as well. Your argument therefore is null and void....factor in also our police kill very few people compared to american police
    You're overthinking it. One last go.

    I see a person kicking a cat, ok. It's a cruel and nasty spectacle and it upsets me. So I intervene. I stop the abuse and then I protest to the guy who did it. I look him in the eye and I go ...

    "Cats matter, you no good so and so. CATS MATTER!"

    I put the footage on the internet with that slogan.

    Have I done wrong? Should I have stressed that lots of other things matter too?
    So why did they not do a similar campaign when the lorry driver was beheaded by islamists?
    This is called whataboutery. There are many terrible things in the world, but where does it get us to react to any campaign to make something better by berating the campaigners about why they didn’t do something for another problem?
    Exactly. I countersign this and now go back to watching Ten Pound Poms.
    But then you also believe in democracy but only if they can vote for things you deem acceptable, I would suggest your signature is worthless therefore
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,743
    Reports that ICE ran a barricade and hit protesters in LA

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lr25mo2vyc25
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,134
    England fans providing the only entertainment of the match with the excellent chants and songs. Hope it spreads to premier league matches and other England matches.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,536
    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    geoffw said:

    Sir John Curtice:

    Times Radio
    @TimesRadio

    “Reform has essentially taken the coalition of people who gave Boris Johnson his majority in 2019.”

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1931346961321402512

    Boris got 44% in 2019. Reform UK are polling around 30-32%. They need a third of their support again to match Boris.
    Perhaps that's the way - Boris joins Reform and they do a reverse merger with the rump Tories to become the Reformatories aka borstal boys

    @bondegezou is characteristically wrong. If the electoral field is fragmented as it is now, then 32% might do fine for Reform, under FPTP
    Tactical voting might do for Nige though, especially if his ceiling is 30% or so. He will have to tread carefully, which he's not well known for. The attack on Sarwar in the Scottish by-election backfired, encouraged Labour's vote to turn out, and delivered an unexpected victory for Labour.

    People certainly do want immigration tackled, but they are squeamish about voting for obvious bad 'uns who are playing them - this is not the USofA.
    FPTP is a terrible system, so Reform UK might win a majority on 30%. 30%, nevertheless, remains only three quarters of what Boris got.
    FPTP is a good system. You have to actually come first in 325 seats to form a government as of right. In every single one of them there is a cage fight going on to stop you doing it. if you can do it with 30% of the vote, it is equally true that someone else can stop you by getting 31%, so it's obviously harder than it sounds. You have to come first in actual communities that are quite small units and they are all different. It's a clever thing to be able to do in 50% + of the entire country.

    We are a democracy of seats, not of votes. It has great merit.
    If the opinion of the majority of the voters is ignored, in what way is that a democracy?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,607
    Scott_xP said:

    Reports that ICE ran a barricade and hit protesters in LA

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lr25mo2vyc25

    https://x.com/FoxNews/status/1931368172134846840

    "These protesters were assaulting our officers out there writing, kill ICE, throwing things at them, attacking federal buildings, and perpetuating violence."

    @Sec_Noem reacts to the @ICEgov raid riots in Los Angeles, slamming liberal leaders.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,389
    One for @Leon

    Wifey is having her gall bladder out on Monday. Our Maine coon cat is on her knee so I wondered if cats have a gall bladder.

    Apple AI is powered by ChatGPT. Yes, cats have a gall bladder. WhatsApp is powered by Meta AI. No, cats do not have a gall bladder. Grok? Cats have a gall bladder.

    In reality cats DO have a gall bladder. Great to see some AI on AI action. I also left Grok running in the background whilst saying Bad Things about Meta AI. Grok took this as a request to “trash talk” Meta AI. Which it did lol
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,573
    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,081

    Scott_xP said:

    Reports that ICE ran a barricade and hit protesters in LA

    https://bsky.app/profile/iwriteok.bsky.social/post/3lr25mo2vyc25

    https://x.com/FoxNews/status/1931368172134846840

    "These protesters were assaulting our officers out there writing, kill ICE, throwing things at them, attacking federal buildings, and perpetuating violence."

    @Sec_Noem reacts to the @ICEgov raid riots in Los Angeles, slamming liberal leaders.
    Noem being a reliable source, william ?
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 748

    ohnotnow said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    From all reality the message is black lives matter more than any others, methinks yiu are getting a bit mixed up.
    BLM is also massively damaging for the Left, as the ultra-Wokery makes them look mad

    4 years after George Floyd died and it went tits up, Trump won a comprehensive victory, better than 2016. There is a through line here
    George Floyd. God, I remember that.

    Yes, he was murdered in real-time on camera, despicably, and then he became a Saint, and then the world went completely mad.
    He came to stand for the many other African Americans who were murdered in real-time, but it wasn’t caught on camera.
    See the key word there is "American"....their problem not ours, peformative assholery here changes nothing is merely virtue signalling while being racist. If you look at police killings in america and control for poverty you will find the who is killed stats a lot more in line with the ethnic demography in any case.
    Yes, BLM began as an American movement in reaction to an American history of racism. But there are some commonalities wind connections with ourselves, the history of the British Empire, and ongoing racism in our society. I don’t see that trying to do something about that is a bad thing.

    Sure, some actions taken were performative, but I’d rather someone be performatively anti-racist than, say, being performatively anti-Muslim (which is at least 5% of posts on PB). I would prefer to target my cynicism a bit more than you do!
    Anything performative is by its very nature total bollocks, you only do it if you have an audience to see you do it. It is about acruing woke virtue points and nothing else.
    But he had his earnest face on. Personally, I'm pretty sure this image alone stopped most racism in its tracks.

    image
    Never mind knees, what's happening with the shelves behind him?
    #AllShelvesMatter
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,924

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    https://www.id4forums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=478
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,081
    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,081

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
  • Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    https://www.id4forums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=478
    Carista might also be able to do it. It was able to permanently change the system to "remember last setting" on my 2021 Up.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,081

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    https://www.id4forums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=478
    Carista might also be able to do it. It was able to permanently change the system to "remember last setting" on my 2021 Up.
    Just ask Dura.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,128
    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,997

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Less frustrating than the Suzuki radar braking system where the car gets spooked easily that you're going to collide with something even though you really aren't and starts bleating pathetically at you and trying to brake when it's *really* spooked.
  • Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    If you can't permanently switch it off using some sort of coding via the OBD port, you can probably buy a little add-in wiring loom on eBay, that will remember the system state between ignition cycles. Just search for "Suzuki [model] start stop disable"
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,110
    edited June 7
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Part of me wonders if the trouble with the British Empire was that we didn't go far enough.

    Maybe we should have annexed the whole Chinese Empire following the Taiping rebellion.

    Could have Hong Konged the whole place, much to our long-term benefit and the world's.

    Do you mean the Boxer Rebellion?

    If so, no dice. There were seven countries involved.
    No, I mean the Taiping rebellion - that left 20 to 30 million dead and is almost entirely unknown in the West:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
    Yes, I know about the Taiping rebellion but I'm not clear about the link to the British Empire?

    Our invasions of China were the two Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion.
    A counterintuitive consequence of the Boxer Rebellion was that it effectively stopped efforts by Western powers to colonise China. Which you might not expect given it was such a complete fiasco for the Qing government.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,997

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    lol. I think every man has at least one story like this

    "One time a girl I knew in college texted me at 11 pm to come over to her dorm to "fix her laptop issues"

    I thought it was selfish of her to ask me to come over that late so I blew her off cause I was little annoyed"


    https://x.com/basedalexandoor/status/1930875102352302471
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,639
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Ha, just ripped through the Andorra defence there. One nil!

    hmm country where 1 in 7300 citizens are in the football team against country where we have a choice of 6.2 million for each position and we are celebrating being 1 up....now either andorrans are all natural born footballers or just our team is crap
    We have a team of world-beating superstars who should be capable of winning every tournament. Problem is their insipid Lefty manager Gareth Southgate is drowning the players ambition and potential in a sea of woke. Once he finally goes the magic will commence.
    Are they still taking the bleedin' knee?
    I'm pleased to say they do.
    You are pleased they are still racist
    Que?
    If you take the knee because black lives matter you are implying by inference those lives are more important than asian lives or white lives. Sorry if you can't see that
    The slogan has the subtext that far too often it seems that black lives matter less or not at all.

    If it helps imagine a 'too' at the end or a 'just as much as others'.
    It might do if we were the US where yes killing black people seems to be a police past time, though if you look at police killings in the us the more commonality seems to be poor people.

    Here not so much so the sub text doesn't work here its just a racist exposition
    It has more resonance in America, I'd agree with that. But it's not totally inappropriate here. Anti-black racism isn't a 'sorted' issue.
    Neither is anti white racism nor anti asian racism and both happen here as well. Your argument therefore is null and void....factor in also our police kill very few people compared to american police
    You're overthinking it. One last go.

    I see a person kicking a cat, ok. It's a cruel and nasty spectacle and it upsets me. So I intervene. I stop the abuse and then I protest to the guy who did it. I look him in the eye and I go ...

    "Cats matter, you no good so and so. CATS MATTER!"

    I put the footage on the internet with that slogan.

    Have I done wrong? Should I have stressed that lots of other things matter too?
    So why did they not do a similar campaign when the lorry driver was beheaded by islamists?
    This is called whataboutery. There are many terrible things in the world, but where does it get us to react to any campaign to make something better by berating the campaigners about why they didn’t do something for another problem?
    Exactly. I countersign this and now go back to watching Ten Pound Poms.
    But then you also believe in democracy but only if they can vote for things you deem acceptable, I would suggest your signature is worthless therefore
    I'm still watching Ten Pound Poms. Not fair on you to respond until it's finished.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    edited June 7

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    If you can't permanently switch it off using some sort of coding via the OBD port, you can probably buy a little add-in wiring loom on eBay, that will remember the system state between ignition cycles. Just search for "Suzuki [model] start stop disable"
    Thanks, I'll try that, but it won't stop me from buying a more sensibly designed car next time round.

    Suzukis have other annoying quirks too, like buzzing incessantly if they think someone hasn't put their seast belt on. This effectively prevents you from putting luggage on the front passenger seat.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,639

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    My Golf does that too. It took a while to get used to but I quite like it now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499
    Mette Frederiksen.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    My Golf does that too. It took a while to get used to but I quite like it now.
    I hope you never have reason to change that view, but to me any device that overrides the drivers autonomy is inherently dangerous. Never experienced the 'lane change' one, but it sounds mad.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    Any other problem you guys want sorted - the mind/body problem, Does God Exist, the Fermi Paradox, what is the purpose of the cosmos, Why England Can't Win Football Cups, how to get laid in North Africa, just let me know

    I'm here for you, got a couple of minutes spare
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    I am a f*cking genius


    My IQ must be literally north of 200, AND IT IS STILL GOING UP
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,779
    geoffw said:

    Nigelb said:

    Part of me wonders if the trouble with the British Empire was that we didn't go far enough.

    Maybe we should have annexed the whole Chinese Empire following the Taiping rebellion.

    Could have Hong Konged the whole place, much to our long-term benefit and the world's.

    No, we couldn't.

    The Japanese tried that.
    Messy for everyone.
    We are not the Japanese.
    But we are, in a way: island nations, monarchies, tea drinkers ...

    ...near to several historical enemies, ageing populations. Both UK and Japan have tried to modernise their armed forces (OK self-defence forces), but I think Japan has done better by focussing on defending the home islands, whereas UK is spread thinly and not enough. Plus Japan has cool kit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGKHiqjaa6Y (14 mins)
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 748

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    If you can't permanently switch it off using some sort of coding via the OBD port, you can probably buy a little add-in wiring loom on eBay, that will remember the system state between ignition cycles. Just search for "Suzuki [model] start stop disable"
    Thanks, I'll try that, but it won't stop me from buying a more sensibly designed car next time round.

    Suzukis have other annoying quirks too, like buzzing incessantly if they think someone hasn't put their seast belt on. This effectively prevents you from putting luggage on the front passenger seat.
    You can solve this by putting the seat belt on. Quite useful anyway with luggage.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,877
    FF43 said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    Part of me wonders if the trouble with the British Empire was that we didn't go far enough.

    Maybe we should have annexed the whole Chinese Empire following the Taiping rebellion.

    Could have Hong Konged the whole place, much to our long-term benefit and the world's.

    Do you mean the Boxer Rebellion?

    If so, no dice. There were seven countries involved.
    No, I mean the Taiping rebellion - that left 20 to 30 million dead and is almost entirely unknown in the West:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiping_Rebellion
    Yes, I know about the Taiping rebellion but I'm not clear about the link to the British Empire?

    Our invasions of China were the two Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion.
    A counterintuitive consequence of the Boxer Rebellion was that it effectively stopped efforts by Western powers to colonise China. Which you might not expect given it was such a complete fiasco for the Qing government.
    Western powers largely lost interest in China, after 1918. Sadly, Japan didn’t.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,997
    edited June 7

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,642
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
    It wasn't aimed remotely at unnerving or mysifying America's enemies - they will be cynical enough to know exactly what's going on. It was aimed at pulling one over on their own populace. That's what a psyop is.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 748

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
    It wasn't aimed remotely at unnerving or mysifying America's enemies - they will be cynical enough to know exactly what's going on. It was aimed at pulling one over on their own populace. That's what a psyop is.
    But is this revelation a double bluff psy-op?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,874
    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    NeilVW said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    If you can't permanently switch it off using some sort of coding via the OBD port, you can probably buy a little add-in wiring loom on eBay, that will remember the system state between ignition cycles. Just search for "Suzuki [model] start stop disable"
    Thanks, I'll try that, but it won't stop me from buying a more sensibly designed car next time round.

    Suzukis have other annoying quirks too, like buzzing incessantly if they think someone hasn't put their seast belt on. This effectively prevents you from putting luggage on the front passenger seat.
    You can solve this by putting the seat belt on. Quite useful anyway with luggage.
    Sure, and I can also solve it by shoving the baggage onto the laps of the passengers in the back, but I don't always want to, and sometimes it is not convenient, especially if I am in a hurry or am in heavy traffic and don't want to stop or lose my spot in the queue or the luggage is an awkward size....and so on.

    Better though to buy a less bossy car, i think.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
    It wasn't aimed remotely at unnerving or mysifying America's enemies - they will be cynical enough to know exactly what's going on. It was aimed at pulling one over on their own populace. That's what a psyop is.
    So, option 2 then

  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499
    Leon said:

    I am a f*cking genius


    My IQ must be literally north of 200, AND IT IS STILL GOING UP

    You must be a genius to get all those five star holidays for free.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,114
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
    Better things to do. IIRC (and I probably don’t) you were also pushing the idea that we were about to announce alien life had been discovered, and that this was all part of prepping us.
    Still waiting on that.
    And I don’t think 2 is actually true in the sense of anything incredible like anti grav.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742
    edited June 7

    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.

    It's kind of curious, isn't it, Al. How can a team comprising some of the best players in the best leagues in the world struggle to defeat a team of players who for the most part would be lucky to get starts with third and fourth tier teams in the UK?

    It has to be a problem of strategy. They played as if they were up against Spain, France, or Argentina,rather than Andorra. So, attacks were slowly and painstakingly developed in a way that obviated the risk of a sudden counter. All very wise against S,F or A, but less so against Andorra, who were never even going to attempt an attack even on the rare occasions they got the ball.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
    Better things to do. IIRC (and I probably don’t) you were also pushing the idea that we were about to announce alien life had been discovered, and that this was all part of prepping us.
    Still waiting on that.
    And I don’t think 2 is actually true in the sense of anything incredible like anti grav.
    No, you don't remember correctly
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,474
    Leon said:

    lol. I think every man has at least one story like this

    "One time a girl I knew in college texted me at 11 pm to come over to her dorm to "fix her laptop issues"

    I thought it was selfish of her to ask me to come over that late so I blew her off cause I was little annoyed"


    https://x.com/basedalexandoor/status/1930875102352302471

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtsTbX85lgo&t=1s
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I am a f*cking genius


    My IQ must be literally north of 200, AND IT IS STILL GOING UP

    You must be a genius to get all those five star holidays for free.
    That was a serious comment, not being sarcastic, in case it sounded like it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    I am a f*cking genius


    My IQ must be literally north of 200, AND IT IS STILL GOING UP

    You must be a genius to get all those five star holidays for free.
    That was a serious comment, not being sarcastic, in case it sounded like it.
    My dude, I took it as a compliment, do not worry
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,874
    edited June 7

    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.

    It's kind of curious, isn't it, Al. How can a team comprising some of the best players in the best leagues in the world struggle to defeat a team of players who for the most part would be lucky to get starts with third and fourth tier teams in the UK?

    It has to be a problem of strategy. They played as if they were up against Spain, France, or Argentina,rather than Andorra. So, attacks were slowly and painstakingly developed in a way that obviated the risk of a sudden counter. All very wise against S,F or A, but less so against Andorra, who were never even going to attempt an attack even on the rare occasions they got the ball.
    Yes. Bringing back Jordan Henderson was unlikely to inspire attacking verve - just a weird choice, especially against a team ranked 173 in the world.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
    Vitara.

    The really scary thing is when you don't notice it has switched off. And no, in my experience it does not always come back on immediately you touch the pedal.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,997

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
    Vitara.

    The really scary thing is when you don't notice it has switched off. And no, in my experience it does not always come back on immediately you touch the pedal.
    Hard to know without driving it but from my experience driving Swifts it sounds like either the Vitara is relatively old, and this was an earlier iteration of the technology, or it plain isn't functioning correctly (?).

    What do you need to do to get the engine to re-start?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,114
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
    Better things to do. IIRC (and I probably don’t) you were also pushing the idea that we were about to announce alien life had been discovered, and that this was all part of prepping us.
    Still waiting on that.
    And I don’t think 2 is actually true in the sense of anything incredible like anti grav.
    No, you don't remember correctly
    You were heavily implying it, without saying it. Banging on about it being weird etc.
    The usual are moving on to talking about 2027 when something huge is coming. The usual crap. Mick West has pointed out that almost all the big UAP/UFO grifters are believers in all the other stuff such as remote viewing etc. There is a lot of crap out there.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.

    It's kind of curious, isn't it, Al. How can a team comprising some of the best players in the best leagues in the world struggle to defeat a team of players who for the most part would be lucky to get starts with third and fourth tier teams in the UK?

    It has to be a problem of strategy. They played as if they were up against Spain, France, or Argentina,rather than Andorra. So, attacks were slowly and painstakingly developed in a way that obviated the risk of a sudden counter. All very wise against S,F or A, but less so against Andorra, who were never even going to attempt an attack even on the rare occasions they got the ball.
    Yes. Bringing back Jordan Henderson was unlikely to inspire attacking verve - just a weird choice, especially against a team ranked 173 in the world.
    It isn't a question of personnel. You could pick 11 Premier League players almost at random and expect them to beat Andorra without difficulty, as long as you didn't shackle them with some absurdly inappropriate match strategy involving build up play lasting several minutes before someone tried anything as speculative as, say, a cross or through ball.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499
    edited June 7
    Funny how the Social Democratic Danish government doesn't get criticised for doing the things it's doing wrt immigration, etc. Too embarrassing to discuss maybe, the fact that its policies have been so successful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
    Better things to do. IIRC (and I probably don’t) you were also pushing the idea that we were about to announce alien life had been discovered, and that this was all part of prepping us.
    Still waiting on that.
    And I don’t think 2 is actually true in the sense of anything incredible like anti grav.
    No, you don't remember correctly
    You were heavily implying it, without saying it. Banging on about it being weird etc.
    The usual are moving on to talking about 2027 when something huge is coming. The usual crap. Mick West has pointed out that almost all the big UAP/UFO grifters are believers in all the other stuff such as remote viewing etc. There is a lot of crap out there.
    Coz it was and is weird. The Pentagon has just tried to gaslight the entire American nation that it has "actual alien spacecraft". You don't think that's weird? That's weird
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,874

    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.

    It's kind of curious, isn't it, Al. How can a team comprising some of the best players in the best leagues in the world struggle to defeat a team of players who for the most part would be lucky to get starts with third and fourth tier teams in the UK?

    It has to be a problem of strategy. They played as if they were up against Spain, France, or Argentina,rather than Andorra. So, attacks were slowly and painstakingly developed in a way that obviated the risk of a sudden counter. All very wise against S,F or A, but less so against Andorra, who were never even going to attempt an attack even on the rare occasions they got the ball.
    Yes. Bringing back Jordan Henderson was unlikely to inspire attacking verve - just a weird choice, especially against a team ranked 173 in the world.
    It isn't a question of personnel. You could pick 11 Premier League players almost at random and expect them to beat Andorra without difficulty, as long as you didn't shackle them with some absurdly inappropriate match strategy involving build up play lasting several minutes before someone tried anything as speculative as, say, a cross or through ball.
    I agree - I only referred to Henderson as his selection typifies the strategy you describe. They really should be scoring 6 or more against a team like Andorra.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,114
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    You've gone all quiet
    Better things to do. IIRC (and I probably don’t) you were also pushing the idea that we were about to announce alien life had been discovered, and that this was all part of prepping us.
    Still waiting on that.
    And I don’t think 2 is actually true in the sense of anything incredible like anti grav.
    No, you don't remember correctly
    You were heavily implying it, without saying it. Banging on about it being weird etc.
    The usual are moving on to talking about 2027 when something huge is coming. The usual crap. Mick West has pointed out that almost all the big UAP/UFO grifters are believers in all the other stuff such as remote viewing etc. There is a lot of crap out there.
    Coz it was and is weird. The Pentagon has just tried to gaslight the entire American nation that it has "actual alien spacecraft". You don't think that's weird? That's weird
    No, it wasn't. The drones flap was just that - a classic flap. There is nothing new under the sun. In the 1890s it was airships. In WW2 it was foo fighters. It became a media story and then like all flaps it disappeared.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
    Vitara.

    The really scary thing is when you don't notice it has switched off. And no, in my experience it does not always come back on immediately you touch the pedal.
    Hard to know without driving it but from my experience driving Swifts it sounds like either the Vitara is relatively old, and this was an earlier iteration of the technology, or it plain isn't functioning correctly (?).

    What do you need to do to get the engine to re-start?
    Hit the clutch, but that isn't always sufficient; maybe the accelerator too. Worst case is you have to turn the ignition too. God forbid you need to be doing this very quickly.

    The car is about eight years old, and may need seeing to, but for pity's sake, why should I even be worrying about correcting something that should never have been designed in in the first place? Even if it worked perfectly, the gain would be minute...a few quids worth of petrol per year, at most. The downside is a small risk of an accident, quite possibly a serious one.

    Which would you prefer?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    England's abysmal football performance today suggests that the nation needs a strategic attack review rather than a strategic defence review.

    It's kind of curious, isn't it, Al. How can a team comprising some of the best players in the best leagues in the world struggle to defeat a team of players who for the most part would be lucky to get starts with third and fourth tier teams in the UK?

    It has to be a problem of strategy. They played as if they were up against Spain, France, or Argentina,rather than Andorra. So, attacks were slowly and painstakingly developed in a way that obviated the risk of a sudden counter. All very wise against S,F or A, but less so against Andorra, who were never even going to attempt an attack even on the rare occasions they got the ball.
    Yes. Bringing back Jordan Henderson was unlikely to inspire attacking verve - just a weird choice, especially against a team ranked 173 in the world.
    It isn't a question of personnel. You could pick 11 Premier League players almost at random and expect them to beat Andorra without difficulty, as long as you didn't shackle them with some absurdly inappropriate match strategy involving build up play lasting several minutes before someone tried anything as speculative as, say, a cross or through ball.
    I agree - I only referred to Henderson as his selection typifies the strategy you describe. They really should be scoring 6 or more against a team like Andorra.
    No. Leyton Orient should be scoring six or more against a team like Andorra. England should be scoring two or three quickly and using the rest of the game as a live practice match in which new players and ideas could be tried out.

    Tuchel's reputation as a strategic genius is bust. Let's hope the players can remedy the situation. We do have rather a lot of good ones, so this is possible.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    Quite astounding

    "Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.

    "An online training course hosted on the Government’s website for Prevent lists “cultural nationalism” as a belief that could lead to an individual being referred to the deradicalisation scheme.

    "This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told."


    If you don't want the UK to be extinguished as a native cullture, by mass immigration, or you are simply worried by mass immigration, then you are a potential terrorist and you need to be watched

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,642
    NeilVW said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
    It wasn't aimed remotely at unnerving or mysifying America's enemies - they will be cynical enough to know exactly what's going on. It was aimed at pulling one over on their own populace. That's what a psyop is.
    But is this revelation a double bluff psy-op?
    If aliens who have travelled light years to be here are unable to conceal their presence without causing blobby bits in the sky, then perhaps.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,207
    As discussed on PB earlier (or yesterday, I forget):


    ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
    @campbellclaret

    Why on earth do @BBCNews so relentlessly pander to people who want to destroy them? Their love affair with @reformparty_uk and the lack of actual scrutiny is beyond weird … of all the things happening in the world tonight is the return of someone most viewers have never heard of really the most important, meriting one of
    @ChrisMasonBBC ‘s essays after an overlong news report. Beyond weird
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,997
    edited June 7

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
    Vitara.

    The really scary thing is when you don't notice it has switched off. And no, in my experience it does not always come back on immediately you touch the pedal.
    Hard to know without driving it but from my experience driving Swifts it sounds like either the Vitara is relatively old, and this was an earlier iteration of the technology, or it plain isn't functioning correctly (?).

    What do you need to do to get the engine to re-start?
    Hit the clutch, but that isn't always sufficient; maybe the accelerator too. Worst case is you have to turn the ignition too. God forbid you need to be doing this very quickly.

    The car is about eight years old, and may need seeing to, but for pity's sake, why should I even be worrying about correcting something that should never have been designed in in the first place? Even if it worked perfectly, the gain would be minute...a few quids worth of petrol per year, at most. The downside is a small risk of an accident, quite possibly a serious one.

    Which would you prefer?
    Well, if I had to turn the ignition key every time - or even only randomly some of the time - I came to a natural stop, yes, I would absolutely 100% consider that dangerous.

    But in my current Swift, I've never had any instance of where I thought the car wasn't immediately there for me if I asked it to do something, and if I'm sat at the lights (say), or in stop-start traffic and it has dropped the revs to nil, as soon as I touch the clutch to get into gear the revs are immediately back to idle level. So I'd be concerned your car's not functioning right somehow.

    I don't drive enough miles for it to be a big saving, though if I drove a lot more miles then yes it is probably actually a reasonably big efficiency.

    As I say though I'm not a fan of the Suzuki radar braking system, which is overly sensitive and makes the car seem like a frightened rabbit at times.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499
    Leon said:

    Quite astounding

    "Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.

    "An online training course hosted on the Government’s website for Prevent lists “cultural nationalism” as a belief that could lead to an individual being referred to the deradicalisation scheme.

    "This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told."


    If you don't want the UK to be extinguished as a native cullture, by mass immigration, or you are simply worried by mass immigration, then you are a potential terrorist and you need to be watched

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/

    Slight problem:

    "How the government is handling the issue of immigration in the UK?

    Badly 72%
    Well 15%"

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/how-the-government-is-handling-the-issue-of-immigration-in-the-uk
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,207
    Leon said:

    Quite astounding

    "Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.

    "An online training course hosted on the Government’s website for Prevent lists “cultural nationalism” as a belief that could lead to an individual being referred to the deradicalisation scheme.

    "This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told."


    If you don't want the UK to be extinguished as a native cullture, by mass immigration, or you are simply worried by mass immigration, then you are a potential terrorist and you need to be watched

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/

    "could lead" is doing a hell of a lot of lifting there though.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,593
    Thank heavens Kemi is on the case and is really getting to grips with the big problems the country is facing ! No not public services , slow growth , etc but apparently women wearing burkas in offices !

    Chasing Reform and now threatening what’s left of the more liberal Conservatives if they disagree with her Commission on leaving the ECHR .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,207
    In a challenge to President Trump’s vow to take control of Greenland, President Emmanuel Macron of France will visit the enormous Arctic island on June 15 with the aim of “contributing to the reinforcement of European sovereignty.”

    NY Times
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711

    Leon said:

    Quite astounding

    "Concern about mass migration is a “terrorist ideology” that requires intervention by the Government’s anti-radicalisation Prevent programme, according to official documents.

    "An online training course hosted on the Government’s website for Prevent lists “cultural nationalism” as a belief that could lead to an individual being referred to the deradicalisation scheme.

    "This encompasses a conviction that “Western culture is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups”, staff taking the course are told."


    If you don't want the UK to be extinguished as a native cullture, by mass immigration, or you are simply worried by mass immigration, then you are a potential terrorist and you need to be watched

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over-mass-migration-terrorist-ideology-prevent/

    "could lead" is doing a hell of a lot of lifting there though.
    This definition is in the government's own Prevent refresher course. It is not some invention by the Telegraph. Read the article
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035
    nico67 said:

    Thank heavens Kemi is on the case and is really getting to grips with the big problems the country is facing ! No not public services , slow growth , etc but apparently women wearing burkas in offices !

    Chasing Reform and now threatening what’s left of the more liberal Conservatives if they disagree with her Commission on leaving the ECHR .

    With Yusuf back in Reform perhaps she has seen an opening to grab the burka hating hard right vote
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,742

    Nigelb said:

    Pagan2 said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    IanB2 said:

    Despite Brexit, the UK is still following EU law on new car models, all of which have to deliver extremely annoying visual and audio warnings whenever the car thinks you are driving faster than the speed limit.

    Not quite: the UK is not following this law. It's just unlikely most manufacturers will bother removing it for us. Some may, though.

    The general vehicle safety laws we follow are these, also followed by the EU (and many countries with the notable exception of the USA):

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulations
    From the RAC:

    "Although this law will not apply in Britian, it is very likely that most new cars will be affected by the introduction of the technology. This is because the manufacturers are unlikely to modify new vehicle designs for the market here in Britain.

    Known as Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), it is a system that restricts the speed of a vehicle automatically.

    It uses a combination of GPS tracking data, satellite navigation, and information on speed limits of that roads that the vehicle is currently on.

    If the driver is travelling over the speed limit, the system can reduce engine power until the speed drops to the limit of the road.

    The limiters will be included in new vehicles sold in Northern Ireland.

    Current regulation allows drivers to turn the speed limiter off, however, the ISA will be enabled when you switch the engine on again.

    This means that the ISA cannot be permanently disabled in new cars."

    https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/all-new-cars-sold-in-europe-required-to-be-equipped-with-speed-limiters/
    Well thats a boost to the second hand car market. However I expect within a month there will be a hack published to turn it off permanently in any case. I remember many (when they still existed, computer magazines publishing ways to hack your ecu's for most popular car models)

    eg

    https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-unpatchable-jailbreak-hack
    Still waiting for a hack to permanently turn off the lane control on my 3 year old VW Passat. I have to turn it off every time I start the car. I swear it's positively dangerous on small country lanes.
    My Suzuki cuts out as soon as I stop. This is to enhance fuel efficiency. It is of course effing dangerous but that seems to have been less important to the manufacturer. There is an override but you have to switch it on every journey.

    My next car will not be a Suzuki, or indeed any Japanese car, since they all seem to have bossy 'we know best' features like this.
    Is it ?
    My wife's car does that too. I've never had any kind of problem with it.
    Sure. You may need to move off quick. You go to pull away and find you can't because the engine has stopped. It's a pretty silent engine so you haven't noticed. It gets really dangerous of you panic and can't get restarted immediately.

    It mostly happens at traffic lights and is usually irrritating rather than dangerous, but imagine it happening on a roundabout where the traffic has backed up and you've had to stop. Someone else is coming at you and you need to get out of the way quick.

    It is a very dangerous innovation.
    You touch the pedal and it immediately restarts. There's no drama.
    Nope. If it did, I doubt I would even have noticed it the quirk.
    What make of Suzuki are you referring to? I drive a Swift. I've never found the engine stop when you are stationary to be an issue as it is instantaneous when you need to move off.

    The buzzing seat belt one, yes - there seems to be a bug in the software on that one, which I find particularly if I have 4 people in the car I need to make sure the middle 5th person seatbelt is plugged in to make that buzzing stop, even with no person in the middle.
    Vitara.

    The really scary thing is when you don't notice it has switched off. And no, in my experience it does not always come back on immediately you touch the pedal.
    Hard to know without driving it but from my experience driving Swifts it sounds like either the Vitara is relatively old, and this was an earlier iteration of the technology, or it plain isn't functioning correctly (?).

    What do you need to do to get the engine to re-start?
    Hit the clutch, but that isn't always sufficient; maybe the accelerator too. Worst case is you have to turn the ignition too. God forbid you need to be doing this very quickly.

    The car is about eight years old, and may need seeing to, but for pity's sake, why should I even be worrying about correcting something that should never have been designed in in the first place? Even if it worked perfectly, the gain would be minute...a few quids worth of petrol per year, at most. The downside is a small risk of an accident, quite possibly a serious one.

    Which would you prefer?
    Well, if I had to turn the ignition key every time - or even only randomly some of the time - I came to a natural stop, yes, I would absolutely 100% consider that dangerous.

    But in my current Swift, I've never had any instance of where I thought the car wasn't immediately there for me if I asked it to do something, and if I'm sat at the lights (say), or in stop-start traffic and it has dropped the revs to nil, as soon as I touch the clutch to get into gear the revs are immediately back to idle level. So I'd be concerned your car's not functioning right somehow.

    I don't drive enough miles for it to be a big saving, though if I drove a lot more miles then yes it is probably actually a reasonably big efficiency.

    As I say though I'm not a fan of the Suzuki radar braking system, which is overly sensitive and makes the car seem like a frightened rabbit at times.
    There will of course be occasions when the reason you have no revs is that you have genuinely stalled without knowing it. If you then drop the clutch and touch the accelerator expecting to engage the engine and nothing happens you are going to be disappointed. If this happens at a critical moment, or you just panic, you may be in deep shit.

    And this is to save a few drops of petrol?

    Suzuki obviously put fuel economy ahead of safety. Bad Suzuki.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    I literally just went online and found it for myself, on the Prevent website. Mind-boggling



    https://www.support-people-susceptible-to-radicalisation.service.gov.uk/refresher-awareness-course/extremism-and-terrorism

    "Terrorist ideologies

    "Extreme right-wing

    "We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups. The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are:

    "Cultural nationalism: 'Western culture' is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.

    "White/ethno-nationalism: Mass migration from the 'non-white world' and demographic change poses an existential threat to the 'white race' and 'Western culture'.

    "White supremacism: The 'white race is biologically, culturally and spiritually superior to all other races. An alternative form of government, ranging from fascist regimes to ethno-tribalism, should replace Western parliamentary democracy."

    This is @bondegezou turned into the Gestapo. You are no longer allowed to worry about immigration and integration, as these are signs you are being radicalised and need to be silenced
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035

    Sir John Curtice:

    Times Radio
    @TimesRadio

    “Reform has essentially taken the coalition of people who gave Boris Johnson his majority in 2019.”

    https://x.com/TimesRadio/status/1931346961321402512

    Boris got 44% in 2019. Reform UK are polling around 30-32%. They need a third of their support again to match Boris.
    Which would come from those still voting Tory who make up the remainder of the Boris 2019 vote (a handful voting Labour and a handful of 2019 LDs returned to the Tories under Rishi)
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,883

    As discussed on PB earlier (or yesterday, I forget):


    ALASTAIR CAMPBELL
    @campbellclaret

    Why on earth do @BBCNews so relentlessly pander to people who want to destroy them? Their love affair with @reformparty_uk and the lack of actual scrutiny is beyond weird … of all the things happening in the world tonight is the return of someone most viewers have never heard of really the most important, meriting one of
    @ChrisMasonBBC ‘s essays after an overlong news report. Beyond weird

    Was it an old Toy Story that had a Woody Allen-esque moth-character who couldn't resist flying towards the seductive blue light of the insect trap?
  • vikvik Posts: 482

    vik said:

    Farage is back in full control of Reform, Zia is out as director. So, not 'workload pressure' then Nige?

    I'm not sure why he would still be a Director when he has resigned as Chairman? Clearly he wants out - it would be weird if he retained a position within the setup.
    Its more a comment on what the party hierarchy have said about why he left - Farage, Tice and Oakeshott pushing the line that he found the workload too much - if it were simply that there would be no need to immediately step down as director, just as Chairman.
    Its obvious that wasn't it from what he said and that Farage, Tice etc are being 'nice' to try and lance the boil.
    We await the Sundays with interest given his silence since that tweet and some of the, shall we say, rather less charitable comments from the likes of Banks etc
    What to do we know?

    Yusuf had been a bit erratic. He made a claim about DEI savings that apparently he couldn't substantiate either during the interview or after it. He made a further claim about specific savings at KCC that apparently wasn't supported by the Reform leader of KCC. According to Camilla Tominey, a briefing she had had with Yusuf was unexpectedly attended by Farage, which Yusuf apparently wasn't overjoyed about.

    That seems to me to be someone who is overworked and stressed out, and getting to be a bit of a concern.

    Then into that, you get Sarah Poachin's Burqa question, and his Tweet calling it 'dumb'.

    It seems to me that he expected (wholly unrealistically in my opinion) Nigel to support him against Poachin the way that he'd supported him against Lowe. But Nigel could never have done that - you can't call an MP dumb on social media for asking a question in the Commons and have that be OK.

    So Nigel didn't support him, and as a result he left (is my theory).

    I would be somewhat surprised if he goes to the Sundays to throw shit at Reform. I am sure he has plenty of shit to throw (anyone that high up in any party would), but I just don't see him doing it.



    We will of course see but there were certainly some interesting reactions - Lee Andersons non thanks and Arron Banks (who is of course on the DOGE squad) suggest a deeper rift in the hierarchy.
    Im not sure he'll go for Reform but certain figures within it. He's been getting trashed left right and centre by some Reformers (and thanked by others), i can't see him shrugging off the attacks.
    If not now a lot of shit will come out during Rupert Lowes action against them.
    Sigh.

    It's a shame.

    However, growing pains. Reform are the equivalent of a 6ft 3-year old just now. It can't all be smooth sailing.
    Absolutely. And as they seem set to become a factor or maybe even a government they need to learn how to 'be' without psychodrama. Too much, too fast, there's an awful lot of people filling in the blank page and not from the same intent. They will be a powderkeg for some time
    The Tories have been since at least 1990 and Labour since the 70s, after all
    Reform do have a big problem coming which is that they still don’t have a coherent ideology outside of their key aims of reducing immigration and being anti woke.

    What exactly do Reform want to be? Old Labour protectionists? Cost-cutting small government freewheelers? Big spenders? Tories in all but name?

    The fact that they are new entrants in a deeply discredited party system and they major on immigration and culture topics gets them a fair step along the road to success, but before long if they desire power they are going to have to start thinking about their overall message. Farage’s tendencies are towards small-state, low tax neo-Thatcherism, I think. I’m not convinced his more high-spending tack of late is anything other than intended to shoot Labour foxes and solidify his appeal with the red wall. But you can’t run a party forever on contradictions. The Tories found that post 2019.
    There is a realignment taking place in British politics, which is similar to the realignment in US politics.

    Reform is becoming the party of the working class, with Labour increasingly a party of the uni educated professional class. This is similar to how MAGA Republicans are becoming a working class party, with Democrats a party of the professional class.

    Based on Yougov data:
    Among C2, D & E, Reform leads at 37%, with Lab 19%, Con 15% & Lib Dem 14%
    Among A, B & C1, Labour leads at 24%, with Reform 21%, Con 20% & Lib Dem 19%

    Republican party policies are undergoing a transformation, with any cuts to Social Security or Medicare now off the table for Republicans. Reform policies will undergo a similar transformation, to reflect their working-class voter base.


    It seems odd to say that Social Security and Medicare cuts are “off the table” for Republicans when Trump’s Big Beautiful Bill contains massive cuts to the US welfare state.
    The Republicans are cutting Medicaid (used by poor people) but both Social Security and Medicare (used by retirees) are untouchable.

    That's the entire source of Elon's beef with the Trump & his Big Beautiful Bill. Elon wants to cut Social Security & Medicare, but Trump & the Republicans are refusing to do so.

    The difference between the US & UK is a perception among the Republican base that Medicaid is mainly used by Democrat-voting black people. This makes it easier to target Medicaid for cuts. If black people voted 80% for Republicans then Medicaid would also have been left untouched.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,642
    Leon said:

    I literally just went online and found it for myself, on the Prevent website. Mind-boggling



    https://www.support-people-susceptible-to-radicalisation.service.gov.uk/refresher-awareness-course/extremism-and-terrorism

    "Terrorist ideologies

    "Extreme right-wing

    "We define extreme right-wing terrorism as the active or vocal support of ideologies that advocate discrimination or violence against minority groups. The 3 most common sub categories of extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies and their narratives are:

    "Cultural nationalism: 'Western culture' is under threat from mass migration and a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups.

    "White/ethno-nationalism: Mass migration from the 'non-white world' and demographic change poses an existential threat to the 'white race' and 'Western culture'.

    "White supremacism: The 'white race is biologically, culturally and spiritually superior to all other races. An alternative form of government, ranging from fascist regimes to ethno-tribalism, should replace Western parliamentary democracy."

    This is @bondegezou turned into the Gestapo. You are no longer allowed to worry about immigration and integration, as these are signs you are being radicalised and need to be silenced

    Rather grim.

    But the people pushing this will be the people being checked up on in a few years. So that's something for them to look forward to.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,607
    If you read communist-era dissidents from Eastern Europe, there are uncanny similarities between the climate of ideological conformity they describe and the modern West.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,079
    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The Pentagon Disinformation That Fueled America’s UFO Mythology
    U.S. military fabricated evidence of alien technology and allowed rumors to fester to cover up real secret-weapons programs
    https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/ufo-us-disinformation-45376f7e

    Really???
    Oh Leeeeeeeooooooonnnnnn......
    Hello. Yes. Happily my stalker covered this, so I don't have to:


    "To my mind, there are five main possible explanations [for the recent UFO flap], in descending order of probability.

    1. The US establishment – Pentagon to press – is engaged in a complex cross-party conspiracy of psyops to unnerve and mystify America’s adversaries, especially the Chinese. Perhaps they want to convince them America possesses advanced alien technology, and America has been reverse engineering it for decades.

    2. The US establishment has some incredible new military tech – something truly astonishing, like anti-gravity aircraft – and they’ve had it for ages, and they want to hide it from everyone: Americans as much as the Chinese.

    3. The US establishment has gone collectively mad, or is suffering some mass hallucination, stemming from a few credulous individuals (a process known in psychology as ‘contagion’).

    4. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – but they’re wrong.

    5. The US military/elite sincerely believes we are being visited by non human intelligence – and they are right. "

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ufos-or-not-something-is-up/

    Looks like he was spot on, a mix of 1 and 2
    6. UFOS are a total hoax, to keep justifying spending on NASA, Department of Defense, and Boeing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,499

    If you read communist-era dissidents from Eastern Europe, there are uncanny similarities between the climate of ideological conformity they describe and the modern West.

    How on earth have we ended up in this position in western countries?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,883
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    Thank heavens Kemi is on the case and is really getting to grips with the big problems the country is facing ! No not public services , slow growth , etc but apparently women wearing burkas in offices !

    Chasing Reform and now threatening what’s left of the more liberal Conservatives if they disagree with her Commission on leaving the ECHR .

    With Yusuf back in Reform perhaps she has seen an opening to grab the burka hating hard right vote
    There is a quite enjoyable French TV show that takes the Burqa-ban to it's extreme logical conclusions :

    https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/79102-nu

    "In 2026, a radical change requires everyone to live naked in a pacified and peaceful France. But the murder of a young woman found dressed revives tensions."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035
    vik said:

    Farage is back in full control of Reform, Zia is out as director. So, not 'workload pressure' then Nige?

    I'm not sure why he would still be a Director when he has resigned as Chairman? Clearly he wants out - it would be weird if he retained a position within the setup.
    Its more a comment on what the party hierarchy have said about why he left - Farage, Tice and Oakeshott pushing the line that he found the workload too much - if it were simply that there would be no need to immediately step down as director, just as Chairman.
    Its obvious that wasn't it from what he said and that Farage, Tice etc are being 'nice' to try and lance the boil.
    We await the Sundays with interest given his silence since that tweet and some of the, shall we say, rather less charitable comments from the likes of Banks etc
    What to do we know?

    Yusuf had been a bit erratic. He made a claim about DEI savings that apparently he couldn't substantiate either during the interview or after it. He made a further claim about specific savings at KCC that apparently wasn't supported by the Reform leader of KCC. According to Camilla Tominey, a briefing she had had with Yusuf was unexpectedly attended by Farage, which Yusuf apparently wasn't overjoyed about.

    That seems to me to be someone who is overworked and stressed out, and getting to be a bit of a concern.

    Then into that, you get Sarah Poachin's Burqa question, and his Tweet calling it 'dumb'.

    It seems to me that he expected (wholly unrealistically in my opinion) Nigel to support him against Poachin the way that he'd supported him against Lowe. But Nigel could never have done that - you can't call an MP dumb on social media for asking a question in the Commons and have that be OK.

    So Nigel didn't support him, and as a result he left (is my theory).

    I would be somewhat surprised if he goes to the Sundays to throw shit at Reform. I am sure he has plenty of shit to throw (anyone that high up in any party would), but I just don't see him doing it.



    We will of course see but there were certainly some interesting reactions - Lee Andersons non thanks and Arron Banks (who is of course on the DOGE squad) suggest a deeper rift in the hierarchy.
    Im not sure he'll go for Reform but certain figures within it. He's been getting trashed left right and centre by some Reformers (and thanked by others), i can't see him shrugging off the attacks.
    If not now a lot of shit will come out during Rupert Lowes action against them.
    Sigh.

    It's a shame.

    However, growing pains. Reform are the equivalent of a 6ft 3-year old just now. It can't all be smooth sailing.
    Absolutely. And as they seem set to become a factor or maybe even a government they need to learn how to 'be' without psychodrama. Too much, too fast, there's an awful lot of people filling in the blank page and not from the same intent. They will be a powderkeg for some time
    The Tories have been since at least 1990 and Labour since the 70s, after all
    Reform do have a big problem coming which is that they still don’t have a coherent ideology outside of their key aims of reducing immigration and being anti woke.

    What exactly do Reform want to be? Old Labour protectionists? Cost-cutting small government freewheelers? Big spenders? Tories in all but name?

    The fact that they are new entrants in a deeply discredited party system and they major on immigration and culture topics gets them a fair step along the road to success, but before long if they desire power they are going to have to start thinking about their overall message. Farage’s tendencies are towards small-state, low tax neo-Thatcherism, I think. I’m not convinced his more high-spending tack of late is anything other than intended to shoot Labour foxes and solidify his appeal with the red wall. But you can’t run a party forever on contradictions. The Tories found that post 2019.
    There is a realignment taking place in British politics, which is similar to the realignment in US politics.

    Reform is becoming the party of the working class, with Labour increasingly a party of the uni educated professional class. This is similar to how MAGA Republicans are becoming a working class party, with Democrats a party of the professional class.

    Based on Yougov data:
    Among C2, D & E, Reform leads at 37%, with Lab 19%, Con 15% & Lib Dem 14%
    Among A, B & C1, Labour leads at 24%, with Reform 21%, Con 20% & Lib Dem 19%

    Republican party policies are undergoing a transformation, with any cuts to Social Security or Medicare now off the table for Republicans. Reform policies will undergo a similar transformation, to reflect their working-class voter base.


    Note the Conservatives are now back being a middle class party too, 5% more ABC1s than C2DEs back Kemi's Tories, the white working class as you say firmly behind Farage and Reform. Indeed if only working class voters could vote on those numbers Farage would win a bigger landslide than Blair 1997, Boris 2019 or Starmer 2024, it is Labour's narrow lead with middle class voters still keeping Sir Keir in the game
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,474
    ohnotnow said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    Thank heavens Kemi is on the case and is really getting to grips with the big problems the country is facing ! No not public services , slow growth , etc but apparently women wearing burkas in offices !

    Chasing Reform and now threatening what’s left of the more liberal Conservatives if they disagree with her Commission on leaving the ECHR .

    With Yusuf back in Reform perhaps she has seen an opening to grab the burka hating hard right vote
    There is a quite enjoyable French TV show that takes the Burqa-ban to it's extreme logical conclusions :

    https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/79102-nu

    "In 2026, a radical change requires everyone to live naked in a pacified and peaceful France. But the murder of a young woman found dressed revives tensions."
    I would have thought that it is Allah's will that we are all born stark, raving naked?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,207

    Niall Ferguson
    @nfergus
    ·
    6h
    That scraping sound you hear is
    @RachelReevesMP
    moving the deckchairs around on the Titanic. What’s that big white thing we’re sailing towards? The answer is an unsustainably high national debt. 1/13

    Niall Ferguson
    @nfergus
    The lesson is clear. With Labour stuck in Harold Wilson/Jim Callaghan mode and heading inevitably for “Crisis, what crisis?”, and with Farage offering secondhand populism, @KemiBadenoch
    needs to unleash her inner Milei. That does not mean donning a leather jacket and wielding a chainsaw, which did not work for Elon Musk. It means being the committed free-market libertarian she is — and the symbol of a successful, multiracial society that she is uniquely placed to be. 12/13

    https://x.com/nfergus/status/1931375733466665119

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035
    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    DOGE should be renamed the department for screwing the poor and those who need to use public services .

    DOGE has discovered billions in council tax receipts being wasted on public services. We are putting an end to that! Who needs libraries anyway?
    Pretty few people frankly, we have this thing called the internet....its like a library just with a lot more books. Percentage of households without internet is 7% this year. Libraries are expensive at what percentage without internet do you think we are probably spending money on things few need?
    Those without internet will still want to use libraries and they also have local history and archive sections etc not just fiction books that can be bought on Amazon
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035
    Pagan2 said:

    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    DOGE should be renamed the department for screwing the poor and those who need to use public services .

    DOGE has discovered billions in council tax receipts being wasted on public services. We are putting an end to that! Who needs libraries anyway?
    UK Yusuf DOGE will prat around and then get to the same point that Musk DOGE has reached: huge amounts of £ are spent on welfare, pensions, and in UK case, social and health care. Yes you can close down overseas aid but that doesn't cut the mustard on the big bucks.
    I hope he's not going to start waving a chainsaw around.
    That's labours job currently, the assisted dying bill is the chainsaw and will soon be under nice assesment...keeping you alive costs more than our qualy assessment....shall we inject you now or just let you die. We all know its coming because thats why they stacked the committee and are ramrodding it through with reduced protections
    The assisted dying bill only applies to the terminally ill and even now it is not certain MPs and peers will vote it through
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,035
    edited June 7


    Niall Ferguson
    @nfergus
    ·
    6h
    That scraping sound you hear is
    @RachelReevesMP
    moving the deckchairs around on the Titanic. What’s that big white thing we’re sailing towards? The answer is an unsustainably high national debt. 1/13

    Niall Ferguson
    @nfergus
    The lesson is clear. With Labour stuck in Harold Wilson/Jim Callaghan mode and heading inevitably for “Crisis, what crisis?”, and with Farage offering secondhand populism, @KemiBadenoch
    needs to unleash her inner Milei. That does not mean donning a leather jacket and wielding a chainsaw, which did not work for Elon Musk. It means being the committed free-market libertarian she is — and the symbol of a successful, multiracial society that she is uniquely placed to be. 12/13

    https://x.com/nfergus/status/1931375733466665119

    And being a slash the state libertarian on the lines of Musk and Milei has even seen Trump fall out with the former after being accused of not going far enough by Musk who is too small state even for the President. Here it would just see some One Nation Tories still voting Tory go LD without winning over nationalist Reform voters
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,711
    edited June 7
    Andy_JS said:

    If you read communist-era dissidents from Eastern Europe, there are uncanny similarities between the climate of ideological conformity they describe and the modern West.

    How on earth have we ended up in this position in western countries?
    Because the grand experiment of mass immigration and multiculturalism has demonstrably failed, and is failing harder every day, and the average voter has now noticed, and is turning to extreme solutions (usually the hard or far right)

    The establishment cannot admit this failure, and yet cannot deny it either - but their lives, careers, mindsets depend on maintaining the faith. So the only solution is a botch job, and horribly temporary: silence all forms of dissent. This is usually done in the legal arena - prosecute hard/far right poltiicians - see Le Pen, the AfD, and so many others - or persecute individuals (see this Prevent strategy)

    It will not hold, and it makes things worse. It is uncannilly like communism, or indeed any dominant and intolerant ideology that fears its end is near. Crush dissent
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,593
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    Thank heavens Kemi is on the case and is really getting to grips with the big problems the country is facing ! No not public services , slow growth , etc but apparently women wearing burkas in offices !

    Chasing Reform and now threatening what’s left of the more liberal Conservatives if they disagree with her Commission on leaving the ECHR .

    With Yusuf back in Reform perhaps she has seen an opening to grab the burka hating hard right vote
    I have zero time for the burka but in the list of things that need fixing in the country it’s well down the list . I don’t think it’s really just a hard right thing . I think the vast majority of people even liberals would like to see the end of the burka .
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