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  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,001
    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences ever change but they can control actions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685
    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,667
    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    Did the Nazis do press conferences as such?

    Feels like the sort of thing that you might get in a 21st century Monty Python. (North Minehead by-election, only more disturbing.)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,545
    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    A week is a long time in politics . But 24hrs can be aswell . Tomorrow’s ONS immigration update is likely to show a record fall in net migration. We all know this is mainly down to the Tories new rules but it won’t stop the government trying to take credit for that .

    Depends on the drop, they wont get any credit for a drop from x to y if y is still more than people want which it will be. I expect the new figures to be circa 450k
    I think the direction of travel is important for No 10. So they will big up the drop , and it will fall again in November.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what percentage do you want to endure, how many traumatized children is worth it?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895
    Seems like Ramaphosa turned up without a free plane to offer.

    Huge mistake.

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,267

    SA official paints a grim picture of the country for Trump: "There is no doubt about it that we are a violent nation. If you go into the rural areas where there is black majority, you would find black elderly women with their throats slit who have been raped multiple times. It is not necessarily about race but it is about crime."

    A bit hasty in dropping apartheid?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,001
    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    It is utterly surreal
    Astonishing. You simply don’t do this on air .
    Link?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895

    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    It is utterly surreal
    Astonishing. You simply don’t do this on air .
    Link?
    Doing it "on air" is the whole point of Trump. It is all a TV show. Nothing matters other than he is centre of endless drama.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what percentage do you want to endure, how many traumatized children is worth it?
    See this is my problem with this redemption thing.....you are sacrificing innocents to save the sinners and all you see is people released. If you release a 1000 paedophiles on average 40% will offend again....even assuming they only assault one child each before being caught you have released a 1000 but traumatized 400. Most wont however get caught after the first child
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,118
    FPT - we can criticise wanker judges, and some are - and activist ones at that - but all the stuff they adjudicate on with ludicrous results, like the Human Rights Act, ECHR, Equality Act and Net Zero law, were voted into law by performing politicians who either didn't know about the impact, or did and liked it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949

    FPT - we can criticise wanker judges, and some are - and activist ones at that - but all the stuff they adjudicate on with ludicrous results, like the Human Rights Act, ECHR, Equality Act and Net Zero law, were voted into law by performing politicians who either didn't know about the impact, or did and liked it.

    Quite true. A sequence of absurd laws have come back to haunt us

    That said, the expansion of the ECHR is very much down to activist judges forcing it into every area of national life
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,601
    And an astonishing press conference gets covered by the BBC with a rather sulky Gary O'Donoghue.

    He needs to go, Frank Gardiner too, Faisal Islam obviously. These really poor journalists are doing the BBC a substantial dis-service.

    Steve Rosenberg is rather the opposite, and it's early days but Sumi SumiSomething seems to be a BBC recruitment great coup - I'd shuffle her off to front Newsnight if I was the BBC.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    Wonders where the conservative polling would be if hyufd was leader
  • glwglw Posts: 10,401

    Seems like Ramaphosa turned up without a free plane to offer.

    Huge mistake.

    Exactly. Trump has no morals, and does not give a damn about anything other than enriching himself. Bribe him and he'll be your pal, even if you did have a journalist chopped up, but if you have nothing to give him or are a victim yourself then expect him to put the boot in or side with your enemy.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,342
    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I just was utterly shaken by it and would ask the question

    Why would any leader want to meet Trump at the White House

    Indeed from Starmer to Carney and others they simply are belittled by this utter madman Trump
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,001
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,001
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,566
    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,622

    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    It is utterly surreal
    Astonishing. You simply don’t do this on air .
    Link?
    Doing it "on air" is the whole point of Trump. It is all a TV show. Nothing matters other than he is centre of endless drama.
    Not sure where "graft as much $$$$$$$$$ as possible" fits in vs be "the drama" but both are much higher ranked than his own ideas of good governance.....which are in turn mostly things like tariffs/threats i.e. actually bad governance.

    That order is bizarrely probably better than if he was more focused on his own good governance!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,355
    There was a deal? I thought it was so long and thanks for all the fish. Again.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
    I didn't advocate whole life sentences
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895
    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,001
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
    I didn't advocate whole life sentences
    May be I misunderstood but I thought you were advocating that paedophiles should never be released from prison and, if they were, it was the authorities who should be blamed for any future crimes
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895
    glw said:

    Seems like Ramaphosa turned up without a free plane to offer.

    Huge mistake.

    Exactly. Trump has no morals, and does not give a damn about anything other than enriching himself. Bribe him and he'll be your pal, even if you did have a journalist chopped up, but if you have nothing to give him or are a victim yourself then expect him to put the boot in or side with your enemy.

    Most of the bad stuff from the administration [this week] had to do with corruption. Which, if we’re being honest, is probably the best-case scenario for this timeline.

    If you offered me a world in which Trump walks away from the White House with, I dunno, $250 billion in ill-gotten gains, but leaves the foundations of democracy basically intact? I’d take that deal in a heartbeat.


    JVL - The Bulwark
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,342
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Reform majority of 40 and with the exception of the SNP and Plaid, all the other parties lose seats
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,545

    nico67 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    It is utterly surreal
    Astonishing. You simply don’t do this on air .
    Why foreign leaders continue to go and see Trump is beyond me.
    And we await Leon's prognosis following Trump just having been prevented, by his minders, from walking straight into a pillar.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949

    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained

    Er, there is. Petrichor
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685
    edited May 21
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Still a clear Reform majority and Farage PM but a 7% Conservative lead over the LDs on voteshare and just 1% behind Labour will relieve her somewhat after Yougov. Though as I said before again PR much better for the Tories than FPTP in terms of seats they would win
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
    I didn't advocate whole life sentences
    May be I misunderstood but I thought you were advocating that paedophiles should never be released from prison and, if they were, it was the authorities who should be blamed for any future crimes
    Nope I think transportation is the answer....pick a deserted island somewhere surround by warships so they can't get off. Drop supplies on the beach but otherwise let them sort themselves out. Separate the criminal arseholes from the rest of us
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,566
    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Still a clear Reform majority and Farage PM but a 7% Conservative lead over the LDs on voteshare and just 1% behind Labour will relieve her somewhat after Yougov. Though as I said before again PR much better for the Tories than FPTP in terms of seats they would win
    Yes but finishing on 53 seats, three seats behind the LDs wouldn't be brilliant, would it? With a Reform majority, the Conservatives would be a minor party on the Opposition benches.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Still a clear Reform majority and Farage PM but a 7% Conservative lead over the LDs on voteshare and just 1% behind Labour will relieve her somewhat after Yougov. Though as I said before again PR much better for the Tories than FPTP in terms of seats they would win
    Yes but finishing on 53 seats, three seats behind the LDs wouldn't be brilliant, would it? With a Reform majority, the Conservatives would be a minor party on the Opposition benches.
    I am celebrating the demise of the tories, I hope to celebrate the demise of labour and lib dems in due course
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,267
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
    I didn't advocate whole life sentences
    May be I misunderstood but I thought you were advocating that paedophiles should never be released from prison and, if they were, it was the authorities who should be blamed for any future crimes
    Nope I think transportation is the answer....pick a deserted island somewhere surround by warships so they can't get off. Drop supplies on the beach but otherwise let them sort themselves out. Separate the criminal arseholes from the rest of us
    Why do you need warships if it's a desert island?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,633

    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained

    Petrichor. It's a plot point in two Dr Who episodes. This is a snap from one of them.

  • StereodogStereodog Posts: 918
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,883
    Pagan2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    Wonders where the conservative polling would be if hyufd was leader
    Depends how many Reformers he acquired...
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,517
    I am content to be considered lacking the intellect God gave pistachio nuts - by those who think staying in the EU was a good idea.

    Good evening, everyone.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,682
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    The Imperial Japanese Army, at Nanking, updated the Japanese press, daily, on the progress of the beheading competition that some of its soldiers were having. As in - who could behead more civilian Chinese prisoners.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,566
    Pagan2 said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Still a clear Reform majority and Farage PM but a 7% Conservative lead over the LDs on voteshare and just 1% behind Labour will relieve her somewhat after Yougov. Though as I said before again PR much better for the Tories than FPTP in terms of seats they would win
    Yes but finishing on 53 seats, three seats behind the LDs wouldn't be brilliant, would it? With a Reform majority, the Conservatives would be a minor party on the Opposition benches.
    I am celebrating the demise of the tories, I hope to celebrate the demise of labour and lib dems in due course
    What will you have left?

    A one-party state with Reform the only party or do you see a revived Mebyon Kernow sweeping from the Tamar to the Tyne (and perhaps beyond) ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685
    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    That they can only pay by having to sell the farmland, crops and farmhouse making it unviable for large numbers of family farms to pass onto the next generation.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Hey, @Leon, seen this.

    Nonce from Pakistan wins right to stay in UK he faces ‘fatwa’ if deported.

    😳🙄

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14734579/Pakistani-paedophile-teenage-girl-UK-fatwa.html

    Another million votes for Reform

    Don't the powers-that-be realise what they are doing? These idiot lawyers? These wanker judges?

    Maybe they do, and they simply do not care
    So we send the nasty whatsit back to face certain death? However nasty he is, however vile his crime?
    He isn't facing "certain death".
    "Your sentence has been commuted from certain death to probable death!"
    What are the rights of the current UK residents who’s risk of being assaulted have increased as a result of this judgement?

    Strangely perhaps in view of my earlier comment, but I agree with this. Just saying 'he can't go back 'cos he'll be killed' is only part of it. Somehow he has to be stopped from re-offending...... re-educated so that he doesn't, or restrained in some way.
    Maybe if he's Moslem 'we' should be engaging more with people in that community who can make a difference. And/or religious and social leaders in that community should be encouraged to spell out even more clearly to their communities that this sort of behaviour isn't tolerated anywhere.
    His last conviction was 2013. Has he reoffended since?

    Probably never seen anyone claim paedophiles could be rehabilitated
    I don’t believe their underlying preferences
    ever change but they can control actions.
    You let a child molester out what
    percentage do you want to endure, how
    many traumatized children is worth it?
    Personally I think anyone who has been sentenced to more than x (say 3) years in prison automatically forfeits their right to be in this country regardless of the risks they face elsewhere. Actions have consequences.

    On releasing paedophiles if they have served their sentence they should be released. It’s a simple as that.

    Shrugs I just look it from the new victims point of view sorry
    Then campaign to get the law changed so sentences are increased.

    I don’t believe in whole of life sentences
    I didn't advocate whole life sentences
    May be I misunderstood but I thought you were advocating that paedophiles should never be released from prison and, if they were, it was the authorities who should be blamed for any future crimes
    Nope I think transportation is the answer....pick a deserted island somewhere surround by warships so they can't get off. Drop supplies on the beach but otherwise let them sort themselves out. Separate the criminal arseholes from the rest of us
    Why do you need warships if it's a desert island?
    I meant deserted not desert, there maybe trees they could build a raft from and also some misguided individuals may try and rescue them.

    Now you may think I am being harsh here but here is a question for people who support rehabilitation and its a serious one. We will refer to paedophiles as that was the thing that kicked off the discussion

    How many newly traumatized victims of child rape are you happy to tolerate to bring convicted paedophiles back into the community that have served their sentence?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,601

    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    Omnium said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Omnium said:

    Omnium said:

    Watching the latest Trump cartoon show.

    Bloody hell - what on earth will the SA press say tomorrow?

    "Kill the boor"?
    Well this is the most racist press conference I've ever seen. It's just awful.
    I believe the nazis probably had a few that you havent seen then
    I concede the point.
    The Imperial Japanese Army, at Nanking, updated the Japanese press, daily, on the progress of the beheading competition that some of its soldiers were having. As in - who could behead more civilian Chinese prisoners.
    I'm not clear quite why you should use me conceding a minor point as a thrice-forceful argument!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895
    Leon said:

    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained

    Er, there is. Petrichor
    Interesting it was only coined in 1964.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,253
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    Starmer’s not confiscating ours for his socialist state. My brother has sorted it all out and beaten Labours Tractor Tax.

    BTW my brother was on a television programme about Templars, considering he says he is one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685
    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    stodge said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    Put the numbers into Electoral Calculus (as you do with every other poll) and see how "relieved" Kemi will be feeling.
    Still a clear Reform majority and Farage PM but a 7% Conservative lead over the LDs on voteshare and just 1% behind Labour will relieve her somewhat after Yougov. Though as I said before again PR much better for the Tories than FPTP in terms of seats they would win
    Yes but finishing on 53 seats, three seats behind the LDs wouldn't be brilliant, would it? With a Reform majority, the Conservatives would be a minor party on the Opposition benches.
    As I said, the fault of FPTP.

    Though I somewhat dispute the EC figures, on UNS for example, Reform would only gain 48 Tory seats on the MiC numbers.

    They might even hold some more with Labour or LD tactical votes for the Tories to keep out Farage, plus they would gain a few Labour seats too eg Chelsea and Fulham and Cities of London and Westminster would be Tory gains.

    https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/reform-uk
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    From what I've seen, the new law in South Africa is basically OK; it includes checks and balances in the process of compulsory purchase, and defined criteria as to when it can be done, and the general principle is that it should be compensated, as it is in the UK.

    There is a consideration of the history of how the land was obtained, which - given the apartheid period - seems quite logical to me.

    That's a different question as to whether the process can be operated corruptly, but we have that here too around planning.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,031
    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    That looks like movement from Labour to Reform because of Labour mentioming immigration a lot, as some have predicted.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,633
    edited May 21
    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    .
    https://xcancel.com/LeftieStats/status/1925146895455805671#m
    .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    From what I've seen, the new law in South Africa is basically OK; it includes checks and balances in the process of compulsory purchase, and defined criteria as to when it can be done, and the general principle is that it should be compensated, as it is in the UK.

    There is a consideration of the history of how the land was obtained, which - given the apartheid period - seems quite logical to me.

    That's a different question as to whether the process can be operated corruptly, but we have that here too around planning.
    Even the compensation can be waived if the ANC government think that 'equitable'
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    .
    https://xcancel.com/LeftieStats/status/1925146895455805671#m
    .
    Hmm relief is only having the 4th biggest number of seats not much beyond a party that only campaigns in a small portion of the state...ok its a view
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,632
    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    I'm hoping it is joke by hy
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,342
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    You should be ashamed of yourself

    It is not remotely comparable

    You embarrass this conservative with utterance such as this
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    nico67 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    nico67 said:

    A week is a long time in politics . But 24hrs can be aswell . Tomorrow’s ONS immigration update is likely to show a record fall in net migration. We all know this is mainly down to the Tories new rules but it won’t stop the government trying to take credit for that .

    Depends on the drop, they wont get any credit for a drop from x to y if y is still more than people want which it will be. I expect the new figures to be circa 450k
    I think the direction of travel is important for No 10. So they will big up the drop , and it will fall again in November.
    What period will this cover?

    I'd say that if the like for like drop in the Govt's first full year is >50%, that is on the way to a win 12 months later if the trend continues.

    But I'd also say that there is a need to adjust what is in the numbers, that the Opposition will use as an opportunity for rhetoric.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    I'm hoping it is joke by hy
    Hyufd is a tory they don't actually do proper jokes
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,895

    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    41m

    *TREASURY 30-YEAR YIELD RISES 10 BASIS POINTS ON DAY TO 5.07%
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    On the Joe Biden thing, it is not the first time a tight circle have kept Presidential health problems hidden.

    That sounds quite like the end of the Woodrow Wilson Presidency after his heart attack in 1919, when his wife and his physician became his controllers and gatekeepers. That episode lasted for a year and a half until the next election.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    You should be ashamed of yourself

    It is not remotely comparable

    You embarrass this conservative with utterance such as this
    I did once consider linking this site to CCHQ because some of his utterances concerned me....then the rest of the actually elected conservative mp's showed him to be a moderate liberal
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,253
    Pagan2 said:

    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    I'm hoping it is joke by hy
    Hyufd is a tory they don't actually do proper jokes
    I would immediately counter that with some Shakespearean puns.
    But I’ve been bard.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,166
    Pagan2 said:

    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    I'm hoping it is joke by hy
    Hyufd is a tory they don't actually do proper jokes
    That's slightly unfair. I've seen HYUFD do jokes before. They are normally very dry and very subtle.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,545
    MattW said:

    On the Joe Biden thing, it is not the first time a tight circle have kept Presidential health problems hidden.

    That sounds quite like the end of the Woodrow Wilson Presidency after his heart attack in 1919, when his wife and his physician became his controllers and gatekeepers. That episode lasted for a year and a half until the next election.

    Hence why Trump always has a flunky near him to guide him away from walking into the wall?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,310
    Would Starmer stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US if it came to a humanitarian mission to overthrow the South African government?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284
    edited May 21

    Leon said:

    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained

    Er, there is. Petrichor
    Interesting it was only coined in 1964.
    Is there a spell-word in Harry Potter that is:

    "Petrichor !!!"

    What would it mean?

    My suggestion is "Turn into a rock", or "I am become a rock", given the ending is ersatz passive voice. It could also be around "Become odoriferous, nicely."

    We also need a word for "the smell of damp dog." @Leon ?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Stereodog said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    In what way is it confiscation? Whoever inherits the farm will get an inheritance tax bill that they can either pay and keep the farm or they can sell the farm and keep the rest of the money. It's perfectly valid to think that it's wrong to levy that tax but you shouldn't misrepresent what it is.
    I'm hoping it is joke by hy
    Hyufd is a tory they don't actually do proper jokes
    That's slightly unfair. I've seen HYUFD do jokes before. They are normally very dry and very subtle.
    Or did you just take them as jokes and he is actually serious, I assumed for a long while some of it was just joking much as I might but I came to the conclusion he actually believes
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    One for @Leon ?


    Oliver Johnson
    @BristOliver
    ·
    10h
    It's weird how there isn't a word for the smell you get when it has just rained

    Er, there is. Petrichor
    Interesting it was only coined in 1964.
    Is there a spell-word in Harry Potter that is:

    "Petrichor !!!"

    What would it mean?

    My suggestion is "turn into a rock", or "I am become a rock".
    The spell is Petrificus Totalus
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,157


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    41m

    *TREASURY 30-YEAR YIELD RISES 10 BASIS POINTS ON DAY TO 5.07%

    Rachel Truss!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949
    edited May 21
    For clarity, petrichor is the word for the pleasant smell of rain and earth AFTER a period of dryness

    ie, you don't get much "petrichor" in Polperro in the six dry minutes between two weeklong spells of mizzle
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    Leon said:

    For clarity, petrichor is the word for the pleasant smell of rain and earth AFTER a period of dryness

    Well cant cover all bases there
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354

    Leon said:

    Good 29% Bad 26%
    Very Good 6% Very Bad 16%

    This is a disastrous response to it for Starmer and Labour.

    Yep

    With luck the press and Reform can batter and batter at these numbers until it is 30% very bad and 1% very good (which is correct, as it is bad) and then Starmer must be nailed to it for all time. Make it as calamitous as Winter Fuel
    Half an hour at Passport control and not seeing cheaper groceries (in fact with inflation the opposite) and the numbers will collapse.
    If he's guffing off about 'excitement' over e gates you know it's garbage 🗑
    I was going to make the same point, but dyedwoolie beat me to it. It will be interesting to see some more polling about voters views on this deal in the Autumn.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,633
    edited May 21
    Pb fail
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,031


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    41m

    *TREASURY 30-YEAR YIELD RISES 10 BASIS POINTS ON DAY TO 5.07%

    Rachel Truss!
    Isn't he a U.S journalist ?

    I think he's referring to the U.S, surely.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949
    Donald J Trump is an effing great twat, but is PB really defending the odious South African regime?

    A bunch of corrupt, racist crooks

    So actually quite a good match for Trump, and certainly no better
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,622

    Would Starmer stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US if it came to a humanitarian mission to overthrow the South African government?

    Would Starmer stand shoulder to shoulder with South Africa if it came to a humanitarian mission to overthrow the US government?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,493


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    41m

    *TREASURY 30-YEAR YIELD RISES 10 BASIS POINTS ON DAY TO 5.07%

    Rachel Truss!
    Isn't he a U.S journalist ?

    I think he's referring to the U.S, surely.
    UK bond yield for 30 yr is 5.532%
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    Leon said:

    Donald J Trump is an effing great twat, but is PB really defending the odious South African regime?

    A bunch of corrupt, racist crooks

    So actually quite a good match for Trump, and certainly no better

    We arent buying f35's off the south africans and beholden to them before being able to take off
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518

    Would Starmer stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the US if it came to a humanitarian mission to overthrow the South African government?

    Would Starmer stand shoulder to shoulder with South Africa if it came to a humanitarian mission to overthrow the US government?
    Depends on if it played well with whichever focus group he is listening to
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,031
    The bond markets aren't keen on Trump's combination of planned tax cuts and spending rises.
    Sounds familiar.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 248
    MattW said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    From what I've seen, the new law in South Africa is basically OK; it includes checks and balances in the process of compulsory purchase, and defined criteria as to when it can be done, and the general principle is that it should be compensated, as it is in the UK.

    There is a consideration of the history of how the land was obtained, which - given the apartheid period - seems quite logical to me.

    That's a different question as to whether the process can be operated corruptly, but we have that here too around planning.
    Is South Africa another hill that liberals want to die on? It's pretty clear the place is a mess.

    As an aside I wish people would think carefully before using the term genocide.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,284


    Spencer Hakimian
    @SpencerHakimian
    ·
    41m

    *TREASURY 30-YEAR YIELD RISES 10 BASIS POINTS ON DAY TO 5.07%

    Rachel Truss!
    It's in Trumpland, I think.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,247
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morein Common new poll gives Kemi some relief, Tories well ahead of LDs and just 1% behind Labour

    ➡️ REF UK 30% (+2)
    🌹 LAB 22% (-3)
    🌳 CON 21% (+1)
    🔶 LIB DEM 14% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 8% (nc)
    🟡 SNP 2% (nc)
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1925084392684192109

    .
    https://xcancel.com/LeftieStats/status/1925146895455805671#m
    .
    Bullish on LD seats. They will struggle to hold on to all of the tactical votes from 2024, although May 1st does suggest the SW at least will be still very fertile, but (for example) on a national Con 24 LD 13 repeat of 2024 I'd expect up to a couple dozen of the gains to drop. Might all become moot if things move for either party before then but UNS a dangerous thing where those bountiful LD seats are concerned (especially as i suspect the Tory vote share is going down in Non LD facing red wall type areas much more than in the Blue Wall/Golden Arch) - time will tell
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    lib dems getting more than 100 seats would be truly end of days stuff from revelations....which lib dem is the dragon and which the whore of bablyon?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,247
    Pagan2 said:

    lib dems getting more than 100 seats would be truly end of days stuff from revelations....which lib dem is the dragon and which the whore of bablyon?

    LDs playing the Swinson Gambit Deferred
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,166
    'Evening all. Wednesday Night update from the Victoria Tap, Manchester.

    As I was walking here, there were, literally, thousands of people in Manchester United kits coming the other way. It turns out the UEFA cup final is being televised in the AO Arena, which is above Manchester Victoria.

    Now I know some Manchester United fans. And I know some football fans, and the sorts of people who on occasion dress in a replica shirt to watch their favourite team. And I like some of these people. And I'm sure some of the people I passed were, individually, nice people. But collectively, they are fucking morons. Their tone is almost perfectly judged to make you dislike them. There are no other sports like this. I get that tribalism is a big part of football (because God knows, you don't watch it for the entertainment). But still - shut up you fucking imbeciles.

    Happily, there are none of them in here. There were two - a father and son meeting up. Quite touching really: it reminded me of a photo of my wife's cousin and uncle last weekend from Wembley, going to see the team they'd long supported - Crystal Palace - in the FA Cup Final. Sharing an experience. But they've gone now, subsumed by the throng; likable individuals in an unlikable crowd. No telly in here, happily. In their place are four incongruous individuals - lads in their 20s in very smart suits with terribly posh accents. I'm trying to eavesdrop to work out who they are but their conversation just appears to be a succession of vowel sounds.

    The bits of conversation I cam glean are about either music or children. Chetham's school is next door. Perhaps they're teachers there. I have no idea what I would expect teachers at a specialist private music school to look like,
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,985

    FPT - we can criticise wanker judges, and some are - and activist ones at that - but all the stuff they adjudicate on with ludicrous results, like the Human Rights Act, ECHR, Equality Act and Net Zero law, were voted into law by performing politicians who either didn't know about the impact, or did and liked it.

    Partially.

    It's mostly that, but its partially just evolution of case history. Which to be fair is largely how we got Common Law originally.

    Cases that would have been dismissed out of court, or never even made it there, under the ECHR originally are now taken credibly.

    I wouldn't say its activist judges though. It's just people pushing boundaries, then looking at case history.

    A boundary case is won, then that both sets precedent but it also sets a new boundary. Then that boundary is pushed against until a case is won and that repeats with many individual cases eroding the original meaning of the law Parliamentarians originally intended until it is warped into something completely different.

    It's like coastal erosion, but for the law.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685

    FPT - we can criticise wanker judges, and some are - and activist ones at that - but all the stuff they adjudicate on with ludicrous results, like the Human Rights Act, ECHR, Equality Act and Net Zero law, were voted into law by performing politicians who either didn't know about the impact, or did and liked it.

    Partially.

    It's mostly that, but its partially just evolution of case history. Which to be fair is largely how we got Common Law originally.

    Cases that would have been dismissed out of court, or never even made it there, under the ECHR originally are now taken credibly.

    I wouldn't say its activist judges though. It's just people pushing boundaries, then looking at case history.

    A boundary case is won, then that both sets precedent but it also sets a new boundary. Then that boundary is pushed against until a case is won and that repeats with many individual cases eroding the original meaning of the law Parliamentarians originally intended until it is warped into something completely different.

    It's like coastal erosion, but for the law.
    Parliament can amend statute to clarify if it desires
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,518
    Cookie said:

    'Evening all. Wednesday Night update from the Victoria Tap, Manchester.

    As I was walking here, there were, literally, thousands of people in Manchester United kits coming the other way. It turns out the UEFA cup final is being televised in the AO Arena, which is above Manchester Victoria.

    Now I know some Manchester United fans. And I know some football fans, and the sorts of people who on occasion dress in a replica shirt to watch their favourite team. And I like some of these people. And I'm sure some of the people I passed were, individually, nice people. But collectively, they are fucking morons. Their tone is almost perfectly judged to make you dislike them. There are no other sports like this. I get that tribalism is a big part of football (because God knows, you don't watch it for the entertainment). But still - shut up you fucking imbeciles.

    Happily, there are none of them in here. There were two - a father and son meeting up. Quite touching really: it reminded me of a photo of my wife's cousin and uncle last weekend from Wembley, going to see the team they'd long supported - Crystal Palace - in the FA Cup Final. Sharing an experience. But they've gone now, subsumed by the throng; likable individuals in an unlikable crowd. No telly in here, happily. In their place are four incongruous individuals - lads in their 20s in very smart suits with terribly posh accents. I'm trying to eavesdrop to work out who they are but their conversation just appears to be a succession of vowel sounds.

    The bits of conversation I cam glean are about either music or children. Chetham's school is next door. Perhaps they're teachers there. I have no idea what I would expect teachers at a specialist private music school to look like,

    Oi I am a big supporter of padstow united....now its true we haven't quite got to the premier league just yet but when they do I will be in that tide
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 248
    So is Trump's plan to say something outrageous knowing that his opponents will go crazy and probably start defending the South African government to the hilt, making themselves look silly in the process?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,354

    Taz said:

    U.K. 10 year up again.

    Rachel Truss strikes again.

    https://x.com/notayesmansecon/status/1925110327747747912?s=61

    What's the movement relative to US, German, Japanese equivalents ?
    I'll answer my own question. All up 0.04% today except Japan.
    The only relevant issue over rising bond rates is Reeves is boxed in even further, and whataboutery is not going to give her a free pass
    It looks like CPI inflation will be around 4% or maybe more in September, much more than expected a little while ago, and this will put additional strain on public finances as the uplift to benefits (and to an extent the state pension) is based on September CPI
    The pay demands by the unions will be the next issue for Reeves

    I am not sure she will survive to the Autumn budget
    I agree. The WFA U turn is too little, too late. The political damage it has inflicted on Starmer's Labour government is already irreversable and its is now looking very likely to be spun as an excuse by the Chancellor for further tax increases in the Autumn budget.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,250
    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    On the Joe Biden thing, it is not the first time a tight circle have kept Presidential health problems hidden.

    That sounds quite like the end of the Woodrow Wilson Presidency after his heart attack in 1919, when his wife and his physician became his controllers and gatekeepers. That episode lasted for a year and a half until the next election.

    Hence why Trump always has a flunky near him to guide him away from walking into the wall?
    What's that about? Is he losing his sight?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,685

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    The Mad King is having an even madder than usual one in the Oval Office right now

    Just shown the South African President a video about genocide of white farmers, Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now. The South African Agriculture Minister though says most white farmers still want to stay rather than leave (CNN has a piece on Orania, a separatist “Afrikaner-only” settlement in the country’s Northern Cape) and the government is tackling livestock theft.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpqe7rp388vt
    https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/21/africa/trump-resettling-south-africas-afrikaners-intl
    'Ramphosa probably the only world leader treating farmers worse than Starmer now'

    Do you ever stop and think what you write

    To even suggest that is utter hyperbole and just wrong
    No, Ramphosa is confiscating some family farms much like Starmer effectively is with the family farms tax
    You should be ashamed of yourself

    It is not remotely comparable

    You embarrass this conservative with utterance such as this
    No, you sucking up to Starmer over our farmers whose livelihood he is wrecking, some of whom are even considering suicide to pass on their farm to their son before full APF is ended next year, is what is shameful
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,949
    edited May 21
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    'Evening all. Wednesday Night update from the Victoria Tap, Manchester.

    As I was walking here, there were, literally, thousands of people in Manchester United kits coming the other way. It turns out the UEFA cup final is being televised in the AO Arena, which is above Manchester Victoria.

    Now I know some Manchester United fans. And I know some football fans, and the sorts of people who on occasion dress in a replica shirt to watch their favourite team. And I like some of these people. And I'm sure some of the people I passed were, individually, nice people. But collectively, they are fucking morons. Their tone is almost perfectly judged to make you dislike them. There are no other sports like this. I get that tribalism is a big part of football (because God knows, you don't watch it for the entertainment). But still - shut up you fucking imbeciles.

    Happily, there are none of them in here. There were two - a father and son meeting up. Quite touching really: it reminded me of a photo of my wife's cousin and uncle last weekend from Wembley, going to see the team they'd long supported - Crystal Palace - in the FA Cup Final. Sharing an experience. But they've gone now, subsumed by the throng; likable individuals in an unlikable crowd. No telly in here, happily. In their place are four incongruous individuals - lads in their 20s in very smart suits with terribly posh accents. I'm trying to eavesdrop to work out who they are but their conversation just appears to be a succession of vowel sounds.

    The bits of conversation I cam glean are about either music or children. Chetham's school is next door. Perhaps they're teachers there. I have no idea what I would expect teachers at a specialist private music school to look like,

    Oi I am a big supporter of padstow united....now its true we haven't quite got to the premier league just yet but when they do I will be in that tide
    I've got Cornwall My Home by Fisherman's Friends blasting round my flat on Sonos at about 200 decibels

    I shall direct my angry neighbours to you, if they seek someone to blame for this sudden loud liking for Cornish music that invokes mighty heaves of Hiraeth
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,545
    CatMan said:

    IanB2 said:

    MattW said:

    On the Joe Biden thing, it is not the first time a tight circle have kept Presidential health problems hidden.

    That sounds quite like the end of the Woodrow Wilson Presidency after his heart attack in 1919, when his wife and his physician became his controllers and gatekeepers. That episode lasted for a year and a half until the next election.

    Hence why Trump always has a flunky near him to guide him away from walking into the wall?
    What's that about? Is he losing his sight?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAhiQpkxoyQ
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 248
    fitalass said:

    Taz said:

    U.K. 10 year up again.

    Rachel Truss strikes again.

    https://x.com/notayesmansecon/status/1925110327747747912?s=61

    What's the movement relative to US, German, Japanese equivalents ?
    I'll answer my own question. All up 0.04% today except Japan.
    The only relevant issue over rising bond rates is Reeves is boxed in even further, and whataboutery is not going to give her a free pass
    It looks like CPI inflation will be around 4% or maybe more in September, much more than expected a little while ago, and this will put additional strain on public finances as the uplift to benefits (and to an extent the state pension) is based on September CPI
    The pay demands by the unions will be the next issue for Reeves

    I am not sure she will survive to the Autumn budget
    I agree. The WFA U turn is too little, too late. The political damage it has inflicted on Starmer's Labour government is already irreversable and its is now looking very likely to be spun as an excuse by the Chancellor for further tax increases in the Autumn budget.
    WFA is regrettable. A perfectly sensible measure outweighed by the increase in the state pension.

    The triple lock inevitably means that the the state pension will rise by more than average earnings over time. That is not sensible.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,247
    fitalass said:

    Taz said:

    U.K. 10 year up again.

    Rachel Truss strikes again.

    https://x.com/notayesmansecon/status/1925110327747747912?s=61

    What's the movement relative to US, German, Japanese equivalents ?
    I'll answer my own question. All up 0.04% today except Japan.
    The only relevant issue over rising bond rates is Reeves is boxed in even further, and whataboutery is not going to give her a free pass
    It looks like CPI inflation will be around 4% or maybe more in September, much more than expected a little while ago, and this will put additional strain on public finances as the uplift to benefits (and to an extent the state pension) is based on September CPI
    The pay demands by the unions will be the next issue for Reeves

    I am not sure she will survive to the Autumn budget
    I agree. The WFA U turn is too little, too late. The political damage it has inflicted on Starmer's Labour government is already irreversable and its is now looking very likely to be spun as an excuse by the Chancellor for further tax increases in the Autumn budget.
    Watch the Red Queen. Angela 'regrettably' resigning as she cannot support disability cuts and then ousting the Starmer cabal is this summers fashion
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,414
    Oliver Johnson is ironically trolling (I assume)

    Petrichor is such a social media weather staple (like apricity), it’s become a bit of a meme, and I know he follows a few of the same weather accounts I do.
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