The truly appalling Matt Frei..speaking in hushed reverential tones about Zelensky...like he's a cross between Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King.
When most people are beginning to recognize he is about to be consigned to the back street coke dens of Kiev.
At the moment, Zelensky doesn't seem to be going anywhere. His approval rating has risen since the Trump attack on him, after falling steadily for a year.
"This play, with its suggestion that Hitler might still gain power in modern Germany, was the subject of an official complaint from the German embassy in London."
Truss: We want a Trump revolution in Britain. We want to flood the zone. We want Elon and his nerd army of muskrats examining the British deep state.
Nice example. There you go LuckyGuy. Truss being wrong about something (three things, in fact).
I don't know what flooding the zone means.
I don't specifically want Elon Musk going through British Government departments line by line but I do want someone to do it.
Liz Truss's new thing is that she wants a popular grassroots movement like the tea party/MAGA to hold Government's feet to the fire on the legislative changes she thinks are necessary. I think she's a million miles from achieving or even helping to achieve that, but I wish her well. The nearest thing we have is the recent grassroots success of Reform. Cross party/Tory efforts like PopCon are great but don't have a big grassroots footprint.
It seems like she hasn't phrased things at all well in the above, but she's playing to her (sadly small it would appear) audience.
Multiple people go through British Government departments line by line, on many occasions. Departments are under huge pressure to make savings. The National Audit Office may review them. Opposite politicians are doing FOI requests. Where does this bizarre idea come from that Govt depts are acting without any review?
I do not believe I have said nor would ever go anywhere close to saying that it's a pity any member of the forum had not been killed in their hotel bedroom.
If you think saying that is acceptable, no matter how much you disagree with someone's views maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself
Allow me to lend you a mirror.
Sean T has just said that it's a great pity that the Tunisian terrorists that we're at my hotel didn't reach my hotel bedroom and kill me.
and you think I need a mirror?
OK Comrade perhaps we should have a poll on the method of my assassination. (Idea for a TSE thread)
Truss: We want a Trump revolution in Britain. We want to flood the zone. We want Elon and his nerd army of muskrats examining the British deep state.
Nice example. There you go LuckyGuy. Truss being wrong about something (three things, in fact).
I don't know what flooding the zone means.
I don't specifically want Elon Musk going through British Government departments line by line but I do want someone to do it.
Liz Truss's new thing is that she wants a popular grassroots movement like the tea party/MAGA to hold Government's feet to the fire on the legislative changes she thinks are necessary. I think she's a million miles from achieving or even helping to achieve that, but I wish her well. The nearest thing we have is the recent grassroots success of Reform. Cross party/Tory efforts like PopCon are great but don't have a big grassroots footprint.
It seems like she hasn't phrased things at all well in the above, but she's playing to her (sadly small it would appear) audience.
Multiple people go through British Government departments line by line, on many occasions. Departments are under huge pressure to make savings. The National Audit Office may review them. Opposite politicians are doing FOI requests. Where does this bizarre idea come from that Govt depts are acting without any review?
Dunno, perhaps it's the fact that the state is metastasising whilst its output falls?
I do not believe I have said nor would ever go anywhere close to saying that it's a pity any member of the forum had not been killed in their hotel bedroom.
If you think saying that is acceptable, no matter how much you disagree with someone's views maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself
Allow me to lend you a mirror.
Sean T has just said that it's a great pity that the Tunisian terrorists that we're at my hotel didn't reach my hotel bedroom and kill me.
and you think I need a mirror?
OK Comrade perhaps we should have a poll on the method of my assassination. (Idea for a TSE thread)
Truss: We want a Trump revolution in Britain. We want to flood the zone. We want Elon and his nerd army of muskrats examining the British deep state.
Nice example. There you go LuckyGuy. Truss being wrong about something (three things, in fact).
I don't know what flooding the zone means.
I don't specifically want Elon Musk going through British Government departments line by line but I do want someone to do it.
Liz Truss's new thing is that she wants a popular grassroots movement like the tea party/MAGA to hold Government's feet to the fire on the legislative changes she thinks are necessary. I think she's a million miles from achieving or even helping to achieve that, but I wish her well. The nearest thing we have is the recent grassroots success of Reform. Cross party/Tory efforts like PopCon are great but don't have a big grassroots footprint.
It seems like she hasn't phrased things at all well in the above, but she's playing to her (sadly small it would appear) audience.
Multiple people go through British Government departments line by line, on many occasions. Departments are under huge pressure to make savings. The National Audit Office may review them. Opposite politicians are doing FOI requests. Where does this bizarre idea come from that Govt depts are acting without any review?
Dunno, perhaps it's the fact that the state is metastasising whilst its output falls?
Government spending is a matter of public record. If you think there’s some government spending that can be cut, you can make that argument. You don’t need some strange Musk-fuelled fantasy.
The truly appalling Matt Frei..speaking in hushed reverential tones about Zelensky...like he's a cross between Gandhi, Mandela and Martin Luther King.
When most people are beginning to recognize he is about to be consigned to the back street coke dens of Kiev.
Crawl back under your rock, troll.
I am really finding it difficult to distinguish @bigjohnowls from our Saturday visitors !!!!
They at least try to.pretend they are sane. Sadly BJO is simply deranged these days. I suspect if he went for a job with a Russian Bot Firm he would be rejected as being too obviously off his rocker.
Truss: We want a Trump revolution in Britain. We want to flood the zone. We want Elon and his nerd army of muskrats examining the British deep state.
Nice example. There you go LuckyGuy. Truss being wrong about something (three things, in fact).
I don't know what flooding the zone means.
I don't specifically want Elon Musk going through British Government departments line by line but I do want someone to do it.
Liz Truss's new thing is that she wants a popular grassroots movement like the tea party/MAGA to hold Government's feet to the fire on the legislative changes she thinks are necessary. I think she's a million miles from achieving or even helping to achieve that, but I wish her well. The nearest thing we have is the recent grassroots success of Reform. Cross party/Tory efforts like PopCon are great but don't have a big grassroots footprint.
It seems like she hasn't phrased things at all well in the above, but she's playing to her (sadly small it would appear) audience.
Multiple people go through British Government departments line by line, on many occasions. Departments are under huge pressure to make savings. The National Audit Office may review them. Opposite politicians are doing FOI requests. Where does this bizarre idea come from that Govt depts are acting without any review?
Dunno, perhaps it's the fact that the state is metastasising whilst its output falls?
Government spending is a matter of public record. If you think there’s some government spending that can be cut, you can make that argument. You don’t need some strange Musk-fuelled fantasy.
Improving organisational productivity and cost control is a complex issue. Claiming that anyone can do it from a simple list of expenditures is fairly dumb.
Many areas of government seem to be unable to negotiate sensible prices from suppliers. The reasons are not trivial - it is usually partly the governments fault.
Finnish EPPGroup MEP, european parliament Foreign Affairs committee member and EPP EUDS coordinator Mika Aaltola:
"The United States has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender. If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe."
Trump's United States is a hostile power and we need to start treating it as such, painful as that may be.
After the fall of the Berlin Wall it was the policy of both the UK and US to help keep the USSR together.
You can condemn Putin's invasion on moral grounds without treating the location of the border between Russia and Ukraine as a core national interest of ours.
A psychotic gangster rampaging across the continent at will is a very serious concern for us though.
If Putin gets to claim a victory then it won't be long before he's back to finish Ukraine off, and then he'll come after the Eastern flank of the EU.
Russians are basically animals. We need to figure out how to cage them.
Even the ones whose money was welcome in Mayfair?
How cool for you that your gut feelings, and all your assumptions that require no consideration, are so in tune with what is doubtless a highly refined analysis. But maybe if you have the time you should look up the meaning of the word "psychotic". Otherwise it's no more than a playground insult, akin to saying your mother wears army boots.
As for gangsterism, did you comment at the time on say the Abramovich-Berezovsky trust case? Because some of us did. You might read the judgment in that case. It's basically an advert saying c'mon, all you ultra high-worth Russia-based billionaires with unclear sources of wealth, we've got the real big bollocks around here, and we'll sort out your disputes for you and see you at Ascot afterwards.
I will make another point about the Russian state and Britain in a separate post.
PS The true internet hero's response here would be that I am ever so butthurt because my idol and lord and master Putin has been criticised.
Farage and Russia, don't get me going! Farage used hardly ever to be off RT, and one very revealing fact that few now remember is that after their success with the Brexit referendum, he and his pal Banksy trotted off to California to promote Calexit.
Why on earth might this British guy be interested in promoting the exit of California from the USA?
This can't be put in the same category as his making a few bucks on Cameo where he was tricked into saying "Up the Ra".
He didn't go to Catalonia, Veneto, or Tibet. He went to California.
The same question could be asked about Brexit itself. What was the point of Brexit? It was never rationally argued. It was similar to a person cutting their nose to spite their face. (You're the one who used a term from mental illness in relation to politics, @Pigeon - perhaps you should look at this.)
The coalition that brought about Brexit included as major component forces:
1. Russian intelligence-paid actors. 2. Silicon Valley-oriented "smash everything up, from the civil service to the Pentagon, and rebuild something new, lean, agile, hi-tech, and under our control - hahaha - in the car park" types.
People shouting other people down, saying they're Putinbots just because they're not with the WW3-supporting "guns before butter" "kill the Russians" "everything's justified so our grandchildren can inherit our wealth and avoid eating borschch in the salt mines" herd - they make me think of gammons at Trumpite events shouting "USA! USA!" It's miles away from thinking about the real influence of Russian state intelligence in Britain.
You would think given the sensitive subject that BBC would be doubly careful about checking the background of people presented to them as innocent civilians. It is pretty clear now it was just a Hamas propaganda piece.
Mods. Is there any chance of an ignore button that can protect us from ourselves?
A block function would be good.
No, it wouldn't. One of the strengths of the site is that it forces you to deal with stuff that winds you up/bores you. You can engage or ignore without anyone doing it on your behalf.
As compensation, it's pretty good at banning pure trolls.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
"Engineers who work for Elon Musk’s SpaceX have been brought on as senior advisers to the acting administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), sources tell WIRED."
Farage and Russia, don't get me going! Farage used hardly ever to be off RT, and one very revealing fact that few now remember is that after their success with the Brexit referendum, he and his pal Banksy trotted off to California to promote Calexit.
Why on earth might this British guy be interested in promoting the exit of California from the USA?
This can't be put in the same category as his making a few bucks on Cameo where he was tricked into saying "Up the Ra".
He didn't go to Catalonia, Veneto, or Tibet. He went to California.
The same question could be asked about Brexit itself. What was the point of Brexit? It was never rationally argued. It was similar to a person cutting their nose to spite their face. (You're the one who used a term from mental illness in relation to politics, @Pigeon - perhaps you should look at this.)
The coalition that brought about Brexit included as major component forces:
1. Russian intelligence-paid actors. 2. Silicon Valley-oriented "smash everything up, from the civil service to the Pentagon, and rebuild something new, lean, agile, hi-tech, and under our control - hahaha - in the car park" types.
People shouting other people down, saying they're Putinbots just because they're not with the WW3-supporting "guns before butter" "kill the Russians" "everything's justified so our grandchildren can inherit our wealth and avoid eating borschch in the salt mines" herd - they make me think of gammons at Trumpite events shouting "USA! USA!" It's miles away from thinking about the real influence of Russian state intelligence in Britain.
Fine, so I described Putin as "psychotic" when "genocidal fascist imperialist autocrat" would doubtless have been more accurate. So sue me.
Honestly, what this whole rambling tract about Russian intelligence operations, dirty billionaires and Brexit is for escapes me. Is the inference that the levelling of Mariupol, for example, is justifiable? That the screaming, hyper nationalist lunacy on Russian state TV, where wild threats to murder everyone in the British Isles with nuclear weapon generated tsunamis are presented as entertainment, is all the fault of "the West?"
Nobody that I'm aware of on here supports World War III. That is transparent nonsense. What we all want, I think, is a quiet life. We want Russia to go away and mind its own business. The idea of fighting Russia isn't glamorous, it's bloody terrifying, and we don't want to do it unless we absolutely have to.
Putin can do what he likes to his own people behind his own internationally recognised borders. It's up to them whether they want to cheer him, fight him or run away. I just want him, and his filthy war criminal army, to leave us alone. That is the entire purpose of building a deterrent capacity.
The need to rearm to deal with the threat from Russia is something I would rather European countries did not have to do - the money could otherwise be better used for almost anything else - and which wouldn't be done if the security situation were not as it is. Russia is entirely responsible for that headache. It has not, and has never been, responding to pretended concerns for its own safety. That is a lie, just like virtually everything else they ever say. The worlds largest country, with enough nuclear weapons to incinerate the globe twice over, has never been under threat of invasion by Norway, or Poland, or Estonia. They are malicious conquerors. They are completely to blame for all of the damage that they have caused. We are entitled to build a defence capacity that will put them off attacking us and more of our friends accordingly. The rest is noise.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
I have no wish to get involved in the cash/cashless debate. But I would gently suggest to Nationwide’s press office that the numbers using their machines perhaps reflects the fact that Nationwide are not closing bank branches (and hence ATMs) and other banks are. Maybe they should make more of that fact, possibly with him out of the wire as a sleazy banker?
So 6% down by volume. UK Finance work covering other ways of accessing cash won’t be out until later this year. But I suspect it will show the same story.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I was with you all the way up to forgiving Ellen.
She's worse than JLo.
DM me your J.Lo story!
I’m in your neck of the weeks from April 4 through Easter if you want lunch
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
Last night got nasty. We're just a (mostly) British politics site. Imagine how nasty this is going to get for the people who are directly impacted by Trump and Trumpism.
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
"Engineers who work for Elon Musk’s SpaceX have been brought on as senior advisers to the acting administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), sources tell WIRED."
Mods. Is there any chance of an ignore button that can protect us from ourselves?
A block function would be good.
No, it wouldn't. One of the strengths of the site is that it forces you to deal with stuff that winds you up/bores you. You can engage or ignore without anyone doing it on your behalf.
As compensation, it's pretty good at banning pure trolls.
That's healthy, IMO.
Your view, you’re entitled to it. Doesn’t make it right as my view doesn’t make mine right.
There’s a difference between trolling and personal abuse. Of course.
And people, inc me, have been on the receiving end of it and light modding did zip about it. Not so much of an issue now.
Also, quite frankly, I would rather block someone than have to scan by their endless anti trump cut n pastes from social media.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I have an American friend visiting this spring. I don't know how she voted, as she really seemed to dislike Harris as much as Trump.
It isn't right to be hostile to visitors, no matter how much I dislike their government. Indeed the best way of getting them to see the folly of their government is to find common ground first, then raise questions in a way that gets them to question themselves.
Most of us get quite defensive about our countries if foreigners criticise us, even those of us who are very unhappy with aspects of our own government and history.
Last night got nasty. We're just a (mostly) British politics site. Imagine how nasty this is going to get for the people who are directly impacted by Trump and Trumpism.
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
Yes it did get tetchy and I come here less and less of an evening as a consequence.I doubt people care a great deal. From my view it won’t get any better. Ever since Trump won there are a hardcore who cannot accept it and the language is incendiary and inflammatory. Even yours in your post using terms like ‘brainwashed’.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view. The poor are fools for not seeing Angela Rayner as a working class hero and voting against their own interests if they vote for someone they don’t like.
Fuck them.
The likes of Leon and Dura Ace still make this place worth reading.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
I have realised I am suffering from Minerals Derangement Syndrome. The last few mornings I have been waking up and being so strangely angry about this extortion racket Trump is attempting.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
Last night got nasty. We're just a (mostly) British politics site. Imagine how nasty this is going to get for the people who are directly impacted by Trump and Trumpism.
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
Yes it did get tetchy and I come here less and less of an evening as a consequence.I doubt people care a great deal. From my view it won’t get any better. Ever since Trump won there are a hardcore who cannot accept it and the language is incendiary and inflammatory. Even yours in your post using terms like ‘brainwashed’.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view. The poor are fools for not seeing Angela Rayner as a working class hero and voting against their own interests if they vote for someone they don’t like.
Fuck them.
The likes of Leon and Dura Ace still make this place worth reading.
I don't mind any political views being expressed, provided it isn't accompanied by personal abuse.
There are a number of posters who I skip straight by as a result. It just isn't worth reading their contributions.
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
When you are saying you think he is doing the right things; what do you mean?
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
Not even the Tariffs and threats of Tariffs ?
I would have preferred a Harris win but only because of my concern about Tariffs and his threat to global trade.
Last night got nasty. We're just a (mostly) British politics site. Imagine how nasty this is going to get for the people who are directly impacted by Trump and Trumpism.
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
Yes it did get tetchy and I come here less and less of an evening as a consequence.I doubt people care a great deal. From my view it won’t get any better. Ever since Trump won there are a hardcore who cannot accept it and the language is incendiary and inflammatory. Even yours in your post using terms like ‘brainwashed’.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view. The poor are fools for not seeing Angela Rayner as a working class hero and voting against their own interests if they vote for someone they don’t like.
Fuck them.
The likes of Leon and Dura Ace still make this place worth reading.
I don't mind any political views being expressed, provided it isn't accompanied by personal abuse.
There are a number of posters who I skip straight by as a result. It just isn't worth reading their contributions.
I agree but that’s where an ignore function would work.
Ever since Trump won there are a hardcore who cannot accept it and the language is incendiary and inflammatory. Even yours in your post using terms like ‘brainwashed’.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
No
People can vote for whoever they like, for whatever reasons they like
the problem with Trump (and Nigel Fucking Farage) is the policies they enact completely shaft the folk that voted for them (see example upthread)
I think it's fair enough to point out that these people voted against their own self interest, and it is interesting to speculate why
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
The problem with your argument is that it's not up to others to decide what happens to Ukraine but up to the people in the Ukraine.
And they seem happy to continue fighting which means we should be helping them in that fight.
Now there are a lot of wars where you can look at it and say internal conflict, too far away to impact us but that isn't the case here - if / when Ukraine falls a few years later Russia will move on to it's not territorial claim and that may be somewhere a lot closer to home.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
Not even the Tariffs and threats of Tariffs ?
I would have preferred a Harris win but only because of my concern about Tariffs and his threat to global trade.
I’d have preferred a Harris win because she isn’t a criminal, a sexual predator and a traitor.
The rest of what has happened kind of flows from those significant character flaws.
I think there are posters on here who approve of some, if not all, Trump policies.
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump? And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
I was never a 'fan' of Trump, but I wanted him to win the election, and I'm pleased that he did. Nothing he has done since has really dissuaded me from that. I don't like his way of going about things, but for the most part, I think he's going about the right things.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
The issue isn’t Ukraine. It’s the fact that he is rewarding an invasion, denying Ukraine agency and empowering a mafia state. While at the same time recreating one in the US.
Last night got nasty. We're just a (mostly) British politics site. Imagine how nasty this is going to get for the people who are directly impacted by Trump and Trumpism.
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
Yes it did get tetchy and I come here less and less of an evening as a consequence.I doubt people care a great deal. From my view it won’t get any better. Ever since Trump won there are a hardcore who cannot accept it and the language is incendiary and inflammatory. Even yours in your post using terms like ‘brainwashed’.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view. The poor are fools for not seeing Angela Rayner as a working class hero and voting against their own interests if they vote for someone they don’t like.
Fuck them.
The likes of Leon and Dura Ace still make this place worth reading.
"This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view."
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
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Rubina Siddiqui Labour Party 625
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Tope Olawoyin Green Party 117
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Rejected 6
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Con 25.22% (-4.2%)
Grn 10.28% (new)
LD 9.58% (new)
https://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/19301/local-council-elections-18th-february?page=3
RefUK probably made a mistake not contesting this ward.
https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainians-trust-in-zelensky-increases-to-57-survey-shows/
Amusingly he now has a double-digit lead over Trump - one of the few bright spots in world events in the last week.
Poisoning that is not legal tax avoidance, which most people believe is good I understand.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0216032/
Night Conspirators
"This play, with its suggestion that Hitler might still gain power in modern Germany, was the subject of an official complaint from the German embassy in London."
Fortunately if I did the list would consist of zero pbers as I can separate views that I disagree with and wishing death on the poster
That was out of order.
https://www.nationwidemediacentre.co.uk/news/cash-usage-rises-for-third-year-as-brits-continue-to-value-money-in-their-pockets
That makes for a rather fun April Fools tradition..
And the average deposited is... £278.
I think I'm with TSE on this one.
and you think I need a mirror?
OK Comrade perhaps we should have a poll on the method of my assassination. (Idea for a TSE thread)
Yes, it was out of order, and I deleted it. But @Sean_F is not a poster who regularly causes problems, so I'm not going to ban him.
Time flies when your the subject of death threat.
I am off to bed.
Presumably a number of PBers will be ......
https://youtu.be/9FdnevXjqdc?si=hPmGi8BdfrqbF9cL
Too soon?
Many areas of government seem to be unable to negotiate sensible prices from suppliers. The reasons are not trivial - it is usually partly the governments fault.
How cool for you that your gut feelings, and all your assumptions that require no consideration, are so in tune with what is doubtless a highly refined analysis. But maybe if you have the time you should look up the meaning of the word "psychotic". Otherwise it's no more than a playground insult, akin to saying your mother wears army boots.
As for gangsterism, did you comment at the time on say the Abramovich-Berezovsky trust case? Because some of us did. You might read the judgment in that case. It's basically an advert saying c'mon, all you ultra high-worth Russia-based billionaires with unclear sources of wealth, we've got the real big bollocks around here, and we'll sort out your disputes for you and see you at Ascot afterwards.
I will make another point about the Russian state and Britain in a separate post.
PS The true internet hero's response here would be that I am ever so butthurt because my idol and lord and master Putin has been criticised.
Farage and Russia, don't get me going! Farage used hardly ever to be off RT, and one very revealing fact that few now remember is that after their success with the Brexit referendum, he and his pal Banksy trotted off to California to promote Calexit.
Why on earth might this British guy be interested in promoting the exit of California from the USA?
This can't be put in the same category as his making a few bucks on Cameo where he was tricked into saying "Up the Ra".
He didn't go to Catalonia, Veneto, or Tibet. He went to California.
The same question could be asked about Brexit itself. What was the point of Brexit? It was never rationally argued. It was similar to a person cutting their nose to spite their face. (You're the one who used a term from mental illness in relation to politics, @Pigeon - perhaps you should look at this.)
The coalition that brought about Brexit included as major component forces:
1. Russian intelligence-paid actors.
2. Silicon Valley-oriented "smash everything up, from the civil service to the Pentagon, and rebuild something new, lean, agile, hi-tech, and under our control - hahaha - in the car park" types.
People shouting other people down, saying they're Putinbots just because they're not with the WW3-supporting "guns before butter" "kill the Russians" "everything's justified so our grandchildren can inherit our wealth and avoid eating borschch in the salt mines" herd - they make me think of gammons at Trumpite events shouting "USA! USA!" It's miles away from thinking about the real influence of Russian state intelligence in Britain.
https://x.com/jonsac/status/1892620616206860423
I know the father of the third child was a Captain in the Gaza police force (the Hamas enforcers).
https://x.com/mishtal/status/1892474970711756806
You would think given the sensitive subject that BBC would be doubly careful about checking the background of people presented to them as innocent civilians. It is pretty clear now it was just a Hamas propaganda piece.
One of the strengths of the site is that it forces you to deal with stuff that winds you up/bores you. You can engage or ignore without anyone doing it on your behalf.
As compensation, it's pretty good at banning pure trolls.
That's healthy, IMO.
I thought Bond was supposed to defend western civilisation.
Is Amazon going to surf Dracula Bond ?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=17203032170A22601700
What a match!
But are there any posters who are still fans of Trump?
And how about Musk? Are there any posters who are fans of him (and you cannot split SpaceX and Tesla off - you have to take the totality of him).
"Engineers who work for Elon Musk’s SpaceX have been brought on as senior advisers to the acting administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), sources tell WIRED."
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/02/spacex-engineers-brought-on-at-faa-after-probationary-employees-were-fired/
Prediction: this will not end well...
The Russian authorities must be held to account on the basis of the evidence and our response must be both decisive and proportionate.
https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/973971196889980929
Honestly, what this whole rambling tract about Russian intelligence operations, dirty billionaires and Brexit is for escapes me. Is the inference that the levelling of Mariupol, for example, is justifiable? That the screaming, hyper nationalist lunacy on Russian state TV, where wild threats to murder everyone in the British Isles with nuclear weapon generated tsunamis are presented as entertainment, is all the fault of "the West?"
Nobody that I'm aware of on here supports World War III. That is transparent nonsense. What we all want, I think, is a quiet life. We want Russia to go away and mind its own business. The idea of fighting Russia isn't glamorous, it's bloody terrifying, and we don't want to do it unless we absolutely have to.
Putin can do what he likes to his own people behind his own internationally recognised borders. It's up to them whether they want to cheer him, fight him or run away. I just want him, and his filthy war criminal army, to leave us alone. That is the entire purpose of building a deterrent capacity.
The need to rearm to deal with the threat from Russia is something I would rather European countries did not have to do - the money could otherwise be better used for almost anything else - and which wouldn't be done if the security situation were not as it is. Russia is entirely responsible for that headache. It has not, and has never been, responding to pretended concerns for its own safety. That is a lie, just like virtually everything else they ever say. The worlds largest country, with enough nuclear weapons to incinerate the globe twice over, has never been under threat of invasion by Norway, or Poland, or Estonia. They are malicious conquerors. They are completely to blame for all of the damage that they have caused. We are entitled to build a defence capacity that will put them off attacking us and more of our friends accordingly. The rest is noise.
I put World Service on and a clip will come on of the orange hamburglar with that ridiculous voice spouting lies and/or one of his lackeys crying about people being rude and using mean words about Trump (who is always a true gent, just ask E Jean Carroll et al) and get even more wound up.
Countries, governments, people I like/love have done very bad things, things I hate or disapprove of but seriously nothing has triggered me like this disgraceful act has.
I used to love the US. I valued the sacrifices their country made to help during the world wars. I valued their cultural contributions, great music and film and writers. I used to get very defensive on their behalf when Europeans would sneer and mock Americans and think “you weren’t fucking sneering when they were kicking the Nazis out of your town”.
I could forgive Oliver North, Iraq, Ellen de Generes even.
But this shakedown is the end of my love and respect for the US. I hope Americans arrive in Europe for their holidays this year and when they waddle off their cruise ships or shout on their guided tours people pelt them with fruit and vegetables, pour drinks on them, tell them to fuck off.
And when they ask why everyone is being mean they get told their government and president are an absolute fucking disgrace and the lies about Ukraine, lies about the size of their aid, who started it, Zelensky being a dictator and the abandonment and siding with Russia will not be forgotten and they are not welcome whilst they elect deranged lunatics.
Democratic Rep. Robert Garcia has published a letter sent to him by Trump’s Department of Justice threatening to potentially prosecute him for criticizing Elon Musk.
https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3linaktrzqc2q
The reality on UK ATMs is in this data: https://www.link.co.uk/news/consumers-withdrew-795bn-from-link-atms-in-2024
So 6% down by volume. UK Finance work covering other ways of accessing cash won’t be out until later this year. But I suspect it will show the same story.
I’m in your neck of the weeks from April 4 through Easter if you want lunch
Some people will like Trump and Trumpism because he's for something they want - a return to the good old days, a fat tax cut for the people who have brainwashed them etc. For others its because he's against the things they are against - fags, women, non-whites. For a minority, they're on board because they have a shared enemy. As we witnessed last night.
As we saw with Brexit, when the goal is contradictory and ill-defined, you can't possibly keep everyone happy, whether they support you or not. The irrationality hoops some people are going to be asked to jump through will literally send them mad. And the greatest show of all - the fallout when Trump throws Musk overboard. That will be some show...
The fact that Elon was literally waving a chainsaw around on stage is a little on the nose.
Taking a chainsaw to the FAA will not, as you note, end well.
In other news the guy that was fired for racist posts is back, but these guys are definitely not Nazis...
There’s a difference between trolling and personal abuse. Of course.
And people, inc me, have been on the receiving end of it and light modding did zip about it. Not so much of an issue now.
Also, quite frankly, I would rather block someone than have to scan by their endless anti trump cut n pastes from social media.
It isn't right to be hostile to visitors, no matter how much I dislike their government. Indeed the best way of getting them to see the folly of their government is to find common ground first, then raise questions in a way that gets them to question themselves.
Most of us get quite defensive about our countries if foreigners criticise us, even those of us who are very unhappy with aspects of our own government and history.
People just cannot accept people vote for someone or a party they don’t like for positive reasons. We see it with Reform too.
This group is largely full of entitled, well off, middle class white, middle aged, white men who sneer at the underclass and anyone who dares to dissent from their world view. The poor are fools for not seeing Angela Rayner as a working class hero and voting against their own interests if they vote for someone they don’t like.
Fuck them.
The likes of Leon and Dura Ace still make this place worth reading.
No-one comes as close to nailing Fleming's Bond as Timothy Dalton.
Trump is ending the Ukraine war and shafting Ukraine (on current appearances). The second Biden administration would have continued the war, which also shafted Ukraine, just in a different way. I am sorry for the Ukranians - Trump being inherently unpredictable, let's hope it turns out better for them than it currently appears. But it would be mad (and it is collective madness in my opinion) to will the meat grinder to continue.
There are a number of posters who I skip straight by as a result. It just isn't worth reading their contributions.
It may, or may not, be a metaphor but the letter makes it clear this is the issue not criticising Musk.
I would have preferred a Harris win but only because of my concern about Tariffs and his threat to global trade.
People can vote for whoever they like, for whatever reasons they like
the problem with Trump (and Nigel Fucking Farage) is the policies they enact completely shaft the folk that voted for them (see example upthread)
I think it's fair enough to point out that these people voted against their own self interest, and it is interesting to speculate why
But it is still free speech, much more so than the tooled up mob who stormed the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence", who were then pardoned.
SPECTRE is the worst, by some considerable margin
And they seem happy to continue fighting which means we should be helping them in that fight.
Now there are a lot of wars where you can look at it and say internal conflict, too far away to impact us but that isn't the case here - if / when Ukraine falls a few years later Russia will move on to it's not territorial claim and that may be somewhere a lot closer to home.
The rest of what has happened kind of flows from those significant character flaws.
NEW THREAD
It was. It was utterly dire. Like an Amazon remake.
That is *far* from the case afaict.
Did you know Findus wanted to sell Cod Pieces..
The names Dean. Dixie Dean.