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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    edited February 20
    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    She did yesterday

    https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1892261710255308906?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet&mx=2
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,153

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    Scott_xP said:

    Republican Senators are apparently afraid to vote against Trump in case a Jan 6th mob kills them

    If you are too scared to do the job then resign

    They won't really get a chance of impeachment until Jan 2027 anyway if the Democrats win both chambers of Congress in the midterms
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,607
    In a US poll only 45% think Zelenskyy isn’t a dictator . 22% said he was and a third weren’t sure .

    Only 61% blame Russia totally for the war .

    And people wonder how Trump won a second term . How can a third not be sure , the 22% are clearly morons/ Trump cult members .
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,505
    Andy_JS said:

    It's 5:55pm and it's almost dark. Isn't that amazing. Meanwhile, I'm drinking a tonic water in Wetherspoons. Cost 85 pence.

    We’re gaining almost four minutes of extra daylight every day, now. The bulbs are all coming up in anticipation of lots of spring sunlight.
  • Musk is calling for the ISS to be deorbited and the money spent on going to Mars.

    It's all about his projects, isn't it? And with his friend in charge of NASA...

    Hopefully a one-way trip for Musk?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,436
    Scott_xP said:

    Republican Senators are apparently afraid to vote against Trump in case a Jan 6th mob kills them

    If you are too scared to do the job then resign

    The answer of course lies in solidarity. If all sane members of congress act unitedly and at the same time the edifice collapses. My feeling is that it needs doing soon because I am on the pessimistic side about the speed of the move to an authoritarian state built on a citadel of lies and the threat of state violence. I don't think they have long.
  • Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    People who dislike Badenoch go out of their way to avoid noticing that she did what they already asked 24 hours previous. Her response was completely right.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    Leon said:

    My photo of the day

    If anyone can guess where this is they are an absolute fucking genius



    Mornington Crescent.

  • Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    Kemi did issue a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky and increased defence spending yesterday
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,505

    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    Kemi did issue a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky and increased defence spending yesterday
    I’m sure that reassured him greatly.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,607
    If the right wing press go after Farage then that would be good news for the Tories .

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    65% of Democrats have a favourable view of Zelensky but only 38% of Republicans do.

    8% of Democrats have a favourable view of Putin, 18% of Republicans do.

    50% of Americans want to maintain or increase aid to Ukraine, 30% to decrease it.

    However, 45% of Republican voters want to decrease it and only 34% to increase or maintain it

    https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/51651-donald-trump-government-plans-priorities-elon-musk-doge-russia-ukraine-war-february-16-18-2025-economist-yougov-poll
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,130

    I fear ChatGPT may prove to be gravely accurate:

    Sure! Here are some Amazon-produced Bond film titles designed for a mass-market audience:

    007: Prime Target – Bond goes rogue when MI6 is compromised by a global tech giant with its own intelligence network.

    James Bond: Next-Day Lethal – A high-speed race against time as Bond battles a villain who can predict and intercept any move before it happens.

    License to Subscribe – MI6 goes digital, but Bond is forced to operate off the grid when an AI-controlled security firm tries to replace human agents.

    The Quantum Algorithm – A cybercriminal holds the world hostage with an AI capable of breaking every encryption on the planet.

    No Returns, No Refunds – A mission gone wrong leaves Bond with a price on his head, and no way back to MI6.

    Echoes of Spectre – The long-dead organization resurfaces in the form of a shadowy corporate conglomerate controlling global commerce.

    The Billion-Dollar Man – Bond must infiltrate the elite world of trillionaire tech moguls to stop a hidden plot for digital world domination.

    Fast and Cordless – A high-octane thriller where Bond must chase down a fleet of self-driving assassination drones.

    SkyMall – A seemingly innocent global delivery service hides a sinister plot to control the world's supply chains.

    Gold Prime – A modern-day Goldfinger uses a cryptocurrency scam to crash world economies—only Bond can stop him.

    Would you watch any of these?

    I just went to the cinema to see "Captain America: Brave New World", and it was absolutely pants. I yawned once in the middle, and I rarely yawn in a film. Even the only post-credits scene was fairly pathetic, and not worth waiting for.

    If that's the best plot and writing $180 million can get, then Hollywood is screwed.
    I fell asleep during the first Lord of the Rings film.
  • pigeonpigeon Posts: 5,173
    nico67 said:

    In a US poll only 45% think Zelenskyy isn’t a dictator . 22% said he was and a third weren’t sure .

    Only 61% blame Russia totally for the war .

    And people wonder how Trump won a second term . How can a third not be sure , the 22% are clearly morons/ Trump cult members .

    Enough people in this country are unaware of what's happening in the world around them, and we're a small island. America is vast and much of its population don't have passports. Some will be cultists but a lot will be purely ignorant.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645

    Vance on the need for shared values to underpin collective defence:

    https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1892603174428754059

    "You do not have shared values if you're jailing people for saying we should close down our border. You don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result. And that happened in Romania. You do not have shared values if you're so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up."

    We don't have shared values if you try to organise a coup to overthrow the election result when you lose.
    Or calling a democratically elected head of state who has been attacked by an aggressor, a dictator, whilst simultaneously sucking up to a child stealing murderous despot.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,436

    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    Kemi did issue a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky and increased defence spending yesterday
    Domestic politics doesn't matter a lot, but the thing to notice is that no-one is noticing anything any Tory says. They have ceased for now to matter and they don't have heavy hitters on the front bench, and hardly any at all.

    Whereas what Farage says is pored over for entrail signs. Last week he was favourite in the betting to be next PM. He's at a critical moment.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,981

    Trump is doing to America what the Americans did to Iraq: dismantling all the power structures.

    And the rest of the political class is just letting him do it.

    GOP have just totally rolled over.

    History will record the names of everyone of these scoundrels and cowards who for fear of the primary in two or four years time signed off day after day on this coup.
    Someone made this point on the last thread

    Where are Bush, Clinton, Obama, McConnell, Romney, etc.? Pence spoke up about how this was wrong.

    If leaders won’t lead, then it’s harder to blame the foot soldiers.
  • IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    Kemi did issue a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky and increased defence spending yesterday
    I’m sure that reassured him greatly.
    This is not the time to play petty party politics but reserve your criticism for the one who is a danger to Zelensky and our country, the dreadful Farage and Reform
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 4,607
    pigeon said:

    nico67 said:

    In a US poll only 45% think Zelenskyy isn’t a dictator . 22% said he was and a third weren’t sure .

    Only 61% blame Russia totally for the war .

    And people wonder how Trump won a second term . How can a third not be sure , the 22% are clearly morons/ Trump cult members .

    Enough people in this country are unaware of what's happening in the world around them, and we're a small island. America is vast and much of its population don't have passports. Some will be cultists but a lot will be purely ignorant.
    The Brits seem to be pretty clear in their views on Ukraine . You don’t get a third with a clueless response.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    MaxPB said:

    pigeon said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @akihheikkinen.bsky.social‬

    Finnish EPPGroup MEP, european parliament Foreign Affairs committee member and EPP EUDS coordinator Mika Aaltola:

    "The United States has given us three weeks to agree on terms for Ukraine's surrender. If we don't, the United States will withdraw from Europe."

    Trump's United States is a hostile power and we need to start treating it as such, painful as that may be.
    After the fall of the Berlin Wall it was the policy of both the UK and US to help keep the USSR together.

    You can condemn Putin's invasion on moral grounds without treating the location of the border between Russia and Ukraine as a core national interest of ours.
    A psychotic gangster rampaging across the continent at will is a very serious concern for us though.

    If Putin gets to claim a victory then it won't be long before he's back to finish Ukraine off, and then he'll come after the Eastern flank of the EU.

    Russians are basically animals. We need to figure out how to cage them.
    Is the EU incapable of defending itself? If so, why is it our job to do it?
    It's better for us if the eastern flank of the EU remains free rather than occupied by Russian forces.
    Does that mean it's our job to defend it? The EU has much more men than us. It has much more money than us. It has much more resources than us.
    We should work with the EU on matters of mutual interest, as here.
    No, we should work with European countries. The EU will fail to act because the likes of Orban will block any moves that work against Putin. The EU is too divided we, or Ukraine, can't hang around for 27 nations to be bought off. We should work with France and Poland directly, as well as anyone else who agrees to our agenda upfront. Those that don't should have no say on what we can and can't do, including Germany, Hungary, Spain and others who object to tooling up and telling Putin to get fucked.
    Germany will likely become much more hardline anti Putin if Merz beats Scholz to become Chancellor after this weekend's Federal election
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632

    Good evening

    Yesterday so much changed after Trump’s anti Ukraine tirade, repeated in an hour long speech last night, that the mood of despair is palpable and many are not only worried but even scared, and there seems to be more techinness on this forum which in the circumstances is not really surprising

    Just heard the dreadful Farage interviewed live at a conference in the US and he was simply pathetic and then followed by a clip of the awful Truss speaking to the gathering

    It does seem that there is cross party support both on here and generally condemning Trump and siding with Zelensky and Ukraine, but also it is now time to call out Farage and Reform as the pro Trump-Putin party and also for the conservative party to cancel Truss's membership

    I have no idea where the money is coming from but increased defence spending now tops the agenda, and it is not optional anymore

    We are living in history changing times and for at least 4 years !!!!

    Could Kemi expelling Truss from the Conservative Party be her equivalent of Starmer removing Corbyn from the Labour Party?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 74,153
    edited February 20

    Trump is doing to America what the Americans did to Iraq: dismantling all the power structures.

    And the rest of the political class is just letting him do it.

    GOP have just totally rolled over.

    History will record the names of everyone of these scoundrels and cowards who for fear of the primary in two or four years time signed off day after day on this coup.
    History might not record any such thing, if the project gets its way.
  • HYUFD said:

    Good evening

    Yesterday so much changed after Trump’s anti Ukraine tirade, repeated in an hour long speech last night, that the mood of despair is palpable and many are not only worried but even scared, and there seems to be more techinness on this forum which in the circumstances is not really surprising

    Just heard the dreadful Farage interviewed live at a conference in the US and he was simply pathetic and then followed by a clip of the awful Truss speaking to the gathering

    It does seem that there is cross party support both on here and generally condemning Trump and siding with Zelensky and Ukraine, but also it is now time to call out Farage and Reform as the pro Trump-Putin party and also for the conservative party to cancel Truss's membership

    I have no idea where the money is coming from but increased defence spending now tops the agenda, and it is not optional anymore

    We are living in history changing times and for at least 4 years !!!!

    Could Kemi expelling Truss from the Conservative Party be her equivalent of Starmer removing Corbyn from the Labour Party?
    It would be the right thing to do
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    Andy_JS said:

    It's 5:55pm and it's almost dark. Isn't that amazing. Meanwhile, I'm drinking a tonic water in Wetherspoons. Cost 85 pence.

    Fuxsake etc.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907

    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I know there's a lot of really terrible stuff happening in the World right now but Eon productions have just ceded artistic control of the Bond franchise to the same people that brought us Rings of Power...

    Oh bugger. Yes they have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mn9gz5x3mo

    Bond can't be that far off entering the public domain.
    So can we expect a Bond franchise? Spinoffs starring Q and Moneypenny? Sequels and prequels in no particular order? On the plus side, maybe they will adapt Fleming's plots and not just the titles.
    Probably a “universe”. 005 with Idris Elba, 002 with Michaela Cole, 008 with Harry Styles and 0010with Bo Derek. Maybe a 00 School where the spies learn feels to entertain the young adult audience.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    FF43 said:

    The Loser's honeymoon is over: "Trump’s approval ratings this week in a series of polls — including the Post-Ipsos poll and others from Reuters, Quinnipiac University, CNN and Gallup — has ranged from 44 to 47 percent. In all of them, more disapprove than approve of him.

    That’s a reversal from the vast majority of previous polls, which showed Trump in net-positive territory.

    And in the Post-Ipsos poll, significantly more Americans strongly disapprove of Trump (39 percent) than strongly approve of him (27 percent)."

    source$: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/20/trump-policies-opposed-by-americans/

    (It wasn't much of a honeymoon to begin with. His approval ratings were higher than in his first term -- but lower than the approval ratings for every other recent president.)

    Why the fuck did they vote for him the second time? (Shakes head)
    Cost of living, without checking the costs his tariffs would add
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806

    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient thing to do.
    Kemi did issue a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky and increased defence spending yesterday
    I’m sure that reassured him greatly.
    This is not the time to play petty party politics but reserve your criticism for the one who is a danger to Zelensky and our country, the dreadful Farage and Reform
    "Now is not the time for soundbites..."
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
    No, it became about Daniel Craig not James Bond.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169

    Trump is doing to America what the Americans did to Iraq: dismantling all the power structures.

    And the rest of the political class is just letting him do it.

    GOP have just totally rolled over.

    History will record the names of everyone of these scoundrels and cowards who for fear of the primary in two or four years time signed off day after day on this coup.
    I'm pretty sure that "history" will simply dispense whatever today's truth is when you ask your computer. Finding facts in a sea of lies will prove to be an ever harder job.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    Liz Truss tells US MAGA conference CPAC that Britain is becoming a "failed state" - and says it is entering a "dark age."

    Worldview. MAGA and Trump genuinely believe that Europe in general, and UK in particular, underspend on armed forces, freeload on American protection, and imprison/fine people for free speech. They are entirely correct in this. They wish to alter our behaviour by the power of the purse, funding things they like and tariffing or even taxing those they don't like. The only question is what do we do about it.

    I went thru the three options yesterday (fight, run/hide, kneel). I hope that we will fight but fear we will kneel. And central to this submission will be Brits who have transferred their loyalty from the UK to things like CANZUK, the Anglosphere, the Republicans, or the endless tribes of Twitter. They will see nothing wrong with kneeling to the dictates of Trump and will simply blame those who it affects, provided it's not them. There are always capos.
    Given what Trump has said about Canada and the tariffs that will also hit Australia and NZ I don't think CANZUK and the Anglosphere can be included in that last paragraph
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,438
    boulay said:

    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I know there's a lot of really terrible stuff happening in the World right now but Eon productions have just ceded artistic control of the Bond franchise to the same people that brought us Rings of Power...

    Oh bugger. Yes they have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mn9gz5x3mo

    Bond can't be that far off entering the public domain.
    So can we expect a Bond franchise? Spinoffs starring Q and Moneypenny? Sequels and prequels in no particular order? On the plus side, maybe they will adapt Fleming's plots and not just the titles.
    Probably a “universe”. 005 with Idris Elba, 002 with Michaela Cole, 008 with Harry Styles and 0010with Bo Derek. Maybe a 00 School where the spies learn feels to entertain the young adult audience.
    Then there can be a film where they all get together. It'll be called "The Revengers" :)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,482

    Vance on the need for shared values to underpin collective defence:

    https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1892603174428754059

    "You do not have shared values if you're jailing people for saying we should close down our border. You don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result. And that happened in Romania. You do not have shared values if you're so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up."

    Hang on: surely Romania was just following Trump's 2020 lead? He should see that as evidence of shared values rather than the opposite.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645
    I wonder what Trump's reaction would be if Israel came across evidence that Russia had encouraged Hamas to attack Israel on Oct 7th? It certainly resulted in a benefit to Putin, so seems very likely through one of his proxies.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645
    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    We, and other European countries, should never have allowed ourselves to become so dependent on a foreign power.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,438
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    Liz Truss tells US MAGA conference CPAC that Britain is becoming a "failed state" - and says it is entering a "dark age."

    Worldview. MAGA and Trump genuinely believe that Europe in general, and UK in particular, underspend on armed forces, freeload on American protection, and imprison/fine people for free speech. They are entirely correct in this. They wish to alter our behaviour by the power of the purse, funding things they like and tariffing or even taxing those they don't like. The only question is what do we do about it.

    I went thru the three options yesterday (fight, run/hide, kneel). I hope that we will fight but fear we will kneel. And central to this submission will be Brits who have transferred their loyalty from the UK to things like CANZUK, the Anglosphere, the Republicans, or the endless tribes of Twitter. They will see nothing wrong with kneeling to the dictates of Trump and will simply blame those who it affects, provided it's not them. There are always capos.
    Given what Trump has said about Canada and the tariffs that will also hit Australia and NZ I don't think CANZUK and the Anglosphere can be included in that last paragraph
    I hope you're right
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,482
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
    I get the feeling Vance and St Francis of Assisi probably wouldn't have a lot of shared values.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    boulay said:

    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I know there's a lot of really terrible stuff happening in the World right now but Eon productions have just ceded artistic control of the Bond franchise to the same people that brought us Rings of Power...

    Oh bugger. Yes they have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mn9gz5x3mo

    Bond can't be that far off entering the public domain.
    So can we expect a Bond franchise? Spinoffs starring Q and Moneypenny? Sequels and prequels in no particular order? On the plus side, maybe they will adapt Fleming's plots and not just the titles.
    Probably a “universe”. 005 with Idris Elba, 002 with Michaela Cole, 008 with Harry Styles and 0010with Bo Derek. Maybe a 00 School where the spies learn feels to entertain the young adult audience.
    Oh God. Kill me now.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,077
    JD Vance is making Dan Quayle look like an intellectual colossus.

    Usha Vance - oh dear!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
    No, it became about Daniel Craig not James Bond.
    Agree. It got very, very shit. Did they not even allow him to write some of it?

    Never mind, we still have the Bulldog Drummond franchise.

    *we probably don't

    Bond affcianados will enjoy this treat: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY7CR2TSO8&pp=ygUnQnVsbGRvZyBkcnVtbW9uZCBkZWFkbGllciB0aGFuIHRoZSBtYWxl
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    Liz Truss tells US MAGA conference CPAC that Britain is becoming a "failed state" - and says it is entering a "dark age."

    Worldview. MAGA and Trump genuinely believe that Europe in general, and UK in particular, underspend on armed forces, freeload on American protection, and imprison/fine people for free speech. They are entirely correct in this. They wish to alter our behaviour by the power of the purse, funding things they like and tariffing or even taxing those they don't like. The only question is what do we do about it.

    I went thru the three options yesterday (fight, run/hide, kneel). I hope that we will fight but fear we will kneel. And central to this submission will be Brits who have transferred their loyalty from the UK to things like CANZUK, the Anglosphere, the Republicans, or the endless tribes of Twitter. They will see nothing wrong with kneeling to the dictates of Trump and will simply blame those who it affects, provided it's not them. There are always capos.
    As others have noted, this is one of those days when we must truly thank our deity of choice that Starmer is the man in the job.

    Imagine BoZo, or Richi, or Truss
    I don't 100% agree.
    Starmer has been an awful PM for the first six months, but fair dos, he's not really put a foot wrong wrt Trump and Ukraine. But I would argue that Rishi, and in particular Boris, also got it consiatently right on Ukraine,and Boris has been unequivocal recently that Trump is completely wrong on this.
    So full marks for Starmer, but we can't by implication criticise his predecessors.
    This was Boris on Valentine's Day, after the Munich Security Conference:

    Trump is not betraying Ukraine. But it is time for Europeans to stop panicking, stop whingeing - and step up: BORIS JOHNSON

    Zut alors! Gott im Himmel! To listen to the wailing here at the Munich Security Conference you would think that Donald Trump has pulled out of Nato and cravenly capitulated to the Kremlin.

    You get the impression that the valiant Volodymyr Zelensky has been sold down the Dnieper, that Ukraine is done for and that a new darkness covers the face of Europe.


    You need to read it to judge. It's too scattergun to summarise:

    https://archive.is/20250214235136/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14398311/Trump-not-betraying-Ukraine-hes-right-Europe-needs-step-turn-country-Putin-bite-BORIS-JOHNSON.html
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,135

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    We, and other European countries, should never have allowed ourselves to become so dependent on a foreign power.
    The transatlantic relationship has served us very well (and served the US well too, despite what the current administration thinks). There are strong historical reasons why Europe has behaved like it has over the past 2-3 decades. Yes there has been some complacency in that, but it’s very difficult to move away from a geopolitical system when it’s working.

    I put less blame at the feet of European governments for what has happened in the past than the blame I will put on them if they do not rise to the challenge now. We know we need to do it. So we need to get on with it.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    edited February 20

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    edited February 20
    murali_s said:

    JD Vance is making Dan Quayle look like an intellectual colossus.

    Usha Vance - oh dear!

    Vance is far more intelligent and intellectual than Quayle (and indeed Trump too for that matter), he is just a conservative nationalist and protectionist
  • HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
    Is his wife Roman Catholic?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,001
    edited February 20
    Daniel Craig is responsible for the greatest moment in Bond history.

    At the cinema I needed oxygen during this scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,981
    Cookie said:

    Sky News headline now, "Politics latest: Farage under fire for 'deeply disappointing' response to Trump's Zelenskyy attacks" https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-labour-starmer-ukraine-war-russia-paris-us-trump-europe-zelenskyy-12593360

    Farage is a Putin and Trump apologist, so no surprise there. He is the modern day Oswald Mosley in so many ways
    Ed Davey has been quick off the block to criticise Farage over this. What is Badenoch going to do?
    It's an open goal, really. An opportunity for the Tories to portray themselves as the sane party of the right. Come on Kemi. Shouldn't be hard to put out a statement of unequivocal support for Zelensky. One of those rare opportunities where the right thing to do is also the politically expedient
    thing to do.
    She did yesterday
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907

    boulay said:

    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I know there's a lot of really terrible stuff happening in the World right now but Eon productions have just ceded artistic control of the Bond franchise to the same people that brought us Rings of Power...

    Oh bugger. Yes they have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mn9gz5x3mo

    Bond can't be that far off entering the public domain.
    So can we expect a Bond franchise? Spinoffs starring Q and Moneypenny? Sequels and prequels in no particular order? On the plus side, maybe they will adapt Fleming's plots and not just the titles.
    Probably a “universe”. 005 with Idris Elba, 002 with Michaela Cole, 008 with Harry Styles and 0010with Bo Derek. Maybe a 00 School where the spies learn feels to entertain the young adult audience.
    Oh God. Kill me now.
    Luckily I’m licenced to do so.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,957

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    King. Cough.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    We, and other European countries, should never have allowed ourselves to become so dependent on a foreign power.
    The transatlantic relationship has served us very well (and served the US well too, despite what the current administration thinks). There are strong historical reasons why Europe has behaved like it has over the past 2-3 decades. Yes there has been some complacency in that, but it’s very difficult to move away from a geopolitical system when it’s working.

    I put less blame at the feet of European governments for what has happened in the past than the blame I will put on them if they do not rise to the challenge now. We know we need to do it. So we need to get on with it.
    I think what we are seeing is the early days of the decline of the US Empire, though hopefully not it's implosion. The question remains is can a consortium of democracies fill the vacuum, or are we entering an age of true Oligarchies?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,477
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    General Kellogg - How can you take seriously someone named after a leading brand of breakfast cereal? 😂

    Which was in turn named after a leading anti-masturbation campaigner.
    Well that put's a whole new slant on adding "milk" to your cornflakes! :D
    Snap, crackle and pop.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    Liz Truss tells US MAGA conference CPAC that Britain is becoming a "failed state" - and says it is entering a "dark age."

    Worldview. MAGA and Trump genuinely believe that Europe in general, and UK in particular, underspend on armed forces, freeload on American protection, and imprison/fine people for free speech. They are entirely correct in this. They wish to alter our behaviour by the power of the purse, funding things they like and tariffing or even taxing those they don't like. The only question is what do we do about it.

    I went thru the three options yesterday (fight, run/hide, kneel). I hope that we will fight but fear we will kneel. And central to this submission will be Brits who have transferred their loyalty from the UK to things like CANZUK, the Anglosphere, the Republicans, or the endless tribes of Twitter. They will see nothing wrong with kneeling to the dictates of Trump and will simply blame those who it affects, provided it's not them. There are always capos.
    Given what Trump has said about Canada and the tariffs that will also hit Australia and NZ I don't think CANZUK and the Anglosphere can be included in that last paragraph
    I hope you're right
    Canadians have even been booing the US anthem at ice hockey games and the players fighting each other

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3om9fYME4Y
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
    No, it became about Daniel Craig not James Bond.
    Agree. It got very, very shit. Did they not even allow him to write some of it?

    Never mind, we still have the Bulldog Drummond franchise.

    *we probably don't

    Bond affcianados will enjoy this treat: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY7CR2TSO8&pp=ygUnQnVsbGRvZyBkcnVtbW9uZCBkZWFkbGllciB0aGFuIHRoZSBtYWxl
    I think Barbara Broccoli essentially gave up after Casino Royale, which was a masterpiece.

    QoS was ok but confused. Skyfall was just as much of a concluding film as No Time to Die, and a better one. And then they just dragged and eeked it out whilst trying to work out what to do given all the original material had run out.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    Jonathan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    King. Cough.
    Camilla has a starring role in my proposal.
  • HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
    Marla was second, surely.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
    Ivana was first, then Marla then Melania. Ivana and Melania are proof to Donald that America needs immigrants to do the dirty jobs few Americans are willing to do.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,688
    HYUFD said:

    murali_s said:

    JD Vance is making Dan Quayle look like an intellectual colossus.

    Usha Vance - oh dear!

    Vance is far more intelligent and intellectual than Quayle (and indeed Trump too for that matter), he is just a conservative nationalist and protectionist
    "Like most intellectuals he's very stupid."
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,980

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    Coup latest

    @AndrewDesiderio
    New: The Pentagon has circulated to congressional Republicans a list of generals / flag officers that SecDef Pete Hegseth is interested in firing or replacing. Confirming @NatashaBertrand.

    The list, per two sources who have seen it, includes Gen. C.Q. Brown, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

    The Senate confirmed Brown to a 4-yr term in 2023. Vote was 83-11.

    Is it some new thing that elected politicians aren't supposed to fire public servants?
    It rarely happens here, it would be better if it happened less in the US.
  • rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Tomorrow is Not Enough

    The World Never Dies
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,085
    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,981
    boulay said:

    Foss said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    I know there's a lot of really terrible stuff happening in the World right now but Eon productions have just ceded artistic control of the Bond franchise to the same people that brought us Rings of Power...

    Oh bugger. Yes they have. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mn9gz5x3mo

    Bond can't be that far off entering the public domain.
    So can we expect a Bond franchise? Spinoffs starring Q and Moneypenny? Sequels and prequels in no particular order? On the plus side, maybe they will adapt Fleming's plots and not just the titles.
    Probably a “universe”. 005 with Idris Elba, 002 with Michaela Cole, 008 with Harry Styles and 0010with Bo Derek. Maybe a 00 School where the spies learn feels to entertain the young adult audience.
    Like red sparrow without the naughty bits?

  • Daniel Craig is responsible for the greatest moment in Bond history.

    At the cinema I needed oxygen during this scene.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1pqswXNAgs

    For a few years my text alert was Daniel Craig saying

    "Now the whole world's gonna know that you died scratching my balls."
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,446
    edited February 20

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Are we still on AI-generated Bond film titles?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 390

    I've just had the Best Approach Ever for my YouTube channel.

    A company wants to sell a box that plugs into your Tesla, capturing video in all directions. They will then sell this footage to companies to better develop mapping software, AI tools and self-driving.

    The box is $279.99 and "will deliver an ROI in 3-6 months". Payment to be made in their Crypto token which is currently valued at $0.0006

    "If you're interested, please send us your terms, and we’d love to discuss how we can work together."

    I politely declined.

    Check out Mapillary. Will take uploads from bike cams or car cams but no payments made.

    https://www.mapillary.com/
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,668
    It's true that Kemi has come out in support of Zelensky. But only a couple of days ago she made that bizarre speech (at ARC) which was full of praise for Trump and his 'action-packed' start to his presidency, and highly admiring of Musk's work at DoGE, along with various anti-woke memes. Chicken nuggets, ffs?

    I think she's genuinely struggling to decide whether the righteous path is the Truss/Farage one, or whether there's another way, yet to be discovered.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,163

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Tomorrow is Not Enough

    The World Never Dies
    Trump is a traitor?...
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645
    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
    Ivana was first, then Marla then Melania. Ivana and Melania are proof to Donald that America needs immigrants to do the dirty jobs few Americans are willing to do.
    One has to feel a little sorry for them. It makes me think of a story that was relayed to me by a lady who was friends with a well to do woman who had a brief fling with Fatty Soames. She said him making love to her was like having a wardrobe fall on top of you with the key sticking out!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    edited February 20

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
    No, Marla was his second, his only US born wife

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Donald_Trump#:~:text=Ivana Trump,-Main article: Ivana&text=Ivana Marie Trump (née Zelníčková,naturalized U.S. citizen in 1988.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806
    edited February 20
    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    What is she wrong about? Feel free to provide recent examples.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,163
    I'm sick and tired of watching Trump and his MAGA clones pontificating on Sky News. The less I see if rolling news coverage over the next few weeks the better I think
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,436
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
    By Benedict meaning Ratzinger or the real St Benedict, Patron Saint of Europe? Of whom Alisdair MacIntyre says;

    And if the tradition of the virtues was able to survive the horrors of the last dark ages, we are not entirely without grounds for hope. This time however the barbarians are not waiting beyond the frontiers; they have already been governing us for quite some time. And it is our lack of consciousness of this that constitutes part of our predicament. We are waiting not for a Godot, but for another—doubtless very different—St. Benedict.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Tomorrow is Not Enough

    The World Never Dies
    For Your Values Only

    The Man With The Crazed Twitter Account

    You Only Get Elected Twice

    Thunderbollocks
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
    Is his wife Roman Catholic?
    No, Hindu, they had an interfaith wedding
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    maxh said:

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Are we still on AI-generated Bond film titles?
    It was a test. The last one is a Steve Martin spoof.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,438
    edited February 20

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
    No, it became about Daniel Craig not James Bond.
    Agree. It got very, very shit. Did they not even allow him to write some of it?

    Never mind, we still have the Bulldog Drummond franchise.

    *we probably don't

    Bond affcianados will enjoy this treat: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY7CR2TSO8&pp=ygUnQnVsbGRvZyBkcnVtbW9uZCBkZWFkbGllciB0aGFuIHRoZSBtYWxl
    Lord above, that was a bit strange. It was an X certificate in 1967, but it's less offensive than an Austin Powers now. Anyhoo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY7CR2TSO8
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadlier_Than_the_Male

    This is the sequel. It has fembots.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Girls_Do
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd11zdSKu6A
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872
    From Russia With NLAWs
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,907

    rcs1000 said:

    It's time for the UK and Europe to stand on their own two feet.

    The only thing Trump respects is strength. And we need to get strong, fast.

    I'm feeling it ...

    For Queen and Continent

    No Time for Weakness

    Strength to Kill

    Tomorrow is Never Yesterday
    Tomorrow is Not Enough

    The World Never Dies
    For Your Values Only

    The Man With The Crazed Twitter Account

    You Only Get Elected Twice

    Thunderbollocks
    As Ever
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,135

    It's true that Kemi has come out in support of Zelensky. But only a couple of days ago she made that bizarre speech (at ARC) which was full of praise for Trump and his 'action-packed' start to his presidency, and highly admiring of Musk's work at DoGE, along with various anti-woke memes. Chicken nuggets, ffs?

    I think she's genuinely struggling to decide whether the righteous path is the Truss/Farage one, or whether there's another way, yet to be discovered.

    I think the Tories are going to get themselves a bit of an escape route from that decision by likely having to back the government up on matters of national security over the coming months and years. That will in and of itself create a distinction with what Reform are likely to do.

    Whether Badenoch is the right person to take them on that journey, hmmm.

  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645
    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632
    edited February 20
    algarkirk said:

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    To be fair, the Pope lives in Europe, so you can understand Vance's feelings.
    Vance is Roman Catholic, albeit more of the Benedict than Francis kind
    By Benedict meaning Ratzinger or the real St Benedict, Patron Saint of Europe? Of whom Alisdair MacIntyre says;

    And if the tradition of the virtues was able to survive the horrors of the last dark ages, we are not entirely without grounds for hope. This time however the barbarians are not waiting beyond the frontiers; they have already been governing us for quite some time. And it is our lack of consciousness of this that constitutes part of our predicament. We are waiting not for a Godot, but for another—doubtless very different—St. Benedict.
    Ratzinger
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11629857

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7796663.stm

    https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pope-warns-catholic-politicians-who-back-abortion-idUSL09563188/
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806

    Nigelb said:

    MaxPB said:

    All those people who criticised the ending of No Time To Die should be eating their words today, the franchise is as dead as the character now. Good send off in the end. Amazon are going to ruin it.

    I went off Daniel Craig.

    He effectively became the franchise, got inside Barbara's head, and then blew it up from the inside.
    So method acting, then ?
    No, it became about Daniel Craig not James Bond.
    Agree. It got very, very shit. Did they not even allow him to write some of it?

    Never mind, we still have the Bulldog Drummond franchise.

    *we probably don't

    Bond affcianados will enjoy this treat: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY7CR2TSO8&pp=ygUnQnVsbGRvZyBkcnVtbW9uZCBkZWFkbGllciB0aGFuIHRoZSBtYWxl
    I think Barbara Broccoli essentially gave up after Casino Royale, which was a masterpiece.

    QoS was ok but confused. Skyfall was just as much of a concluding film as No Time to Die, and a better one. And then they just dragged and eeked it out whilst trying to work out what to do given all the original material had run out.
    The one with the warmed over Blofeld who turned out to be Bond's brother was all sorts of awful. I shouldn't have even gone to see Just Die Already.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,981

    boulay said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Has Trump fucked himself with the Ukraine batshit?

    @bpolitics

    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman is rallying fellow Arab leaders around a plan for postwar Gaza as an alternative to proposals put forward by Trump

    https://x.com/bpolitics/status/1892607785340223596

    If nobody in the World either respects him or fears him it's going to be a lonely 4 years...

    This is where the fun begins. He's going to leave the US as a pariah state with few allies left that aren't Russia or other despots.

    I hope the Lords of Silicon Valley are beginning to realise that hitching their wagons to someone intent on burning all bridges with Europe is not going to end up well for them.

    When you hear Trump or Vance talk about Europe, the dislike just isn’t rational. It’s bizarre.
    Trump and Vance love bits of Europe ie bits led by rightwing white nationalists like Putin and Orban, it is just the woke liberal majority of it they hate.

    Trump also loves Eastern European women, his first wife was Czech and his current wife is Slovenian (though Vance has an ethnic Indian wife)
    Ivana Trump was not Trump's first wife. I believe she was called Marla Maples or something.
    Ivana was first, then Marla then Melania. Ivana and Melania are proof to Donald that America needs immigrants to do the dirty jobs few Americans are willing to do.
    One has to feel a little sorry for them. It makes me think of a story that was relayed to me by a lady who was friends with a well
    to do woman who had a brief fling with Fatty Soames. She said him making love to her was like having a wardrobe fall on top of you with the key sticking out!
    A reported in the independent over 25 years ago…

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/in-the-news-nicholas-soames-happy-eater-with-little-appetite-for-humility-or-political-correctness-1154036.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,632

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
    Reform won't have him because he was too liberal on immigration
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233

    The report from Marianne Faithfull's funeral, in a small church at Aldworth, near Goring and Streetly.

    Very tightly policed by stewards - no paps got the location.

    Mostly close freinds and family. The big sleb send-off will be later in the year. Bob Geldorf and Nick Cave were there.

    The Wifey got a lift to the wake sat on Courtney Love's lap....

    Glad it went well.

    Good job I wasn't there - wouldn't have recognised anyone !
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,872

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
    Is this your suggested plot of the next James Bond film?
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
    Reform won't have him because he was too liberal on immigration
    Probably that, but more likely that even for them he is too much of a ludicrous twat.
  • Nigel_ForemainNigel_Foremain Posts: 14,645

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
    Is this your suggested plot of the next James Bond film?
    Lol. Yes indeed, with Bozo in the main role. Nadine could be his Bond girl.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    edited February 20

    Vance on the need for shared values to underpin collective defence:

    https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1892603174428754059

    "You do not have shared values if you're jailing people for saying we should close down our border. You don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result. And that happened in Romania. You do not have shared values if you're so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up."

    A perfect illustration.

    This is exactly the same problem as Vance had in Munich declaring that we were arresting people for silent prayer or banning prayer in private homes (the ones I fact-checked about the UK), and the other things.

    We aren't and he's lying to himself - just like Trump when he claims the USA put in 6x as much support into Ukraine as Europe.

    They are a pair of fantaloons, treating stuff they have made up or falsehoods they have swallowed as fact and acting on that basis.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,641
    My favourite Bond moment is the fun house in The Man With The Golden Gun.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,446

    It's true that Kemi has come out in support of Zelensky. But only a couple of days ago she made that bizarre speech (at ARC) which was full of praise for Trump and his 'action-packed' start to his presidency, and highly admiring of Musk's work at DoGE, along with various anti-woke memes. Chicken nuggets, ffs?

    I think she's genuinely struggling to decide whether the righteous path is the Truss/Farage one, or whether there's another way, yet to be discovered.

    Whilst I would obviously prefer not to have a fascist- and dictator-enabling narcissist in the White House, I do think one potential benefit is to concentrate minds in the UK.

    If Badenoch is prepared to lift her gaze from the dull and inconsequential crap she has tried to focus on thus far and to join Starmer in unequivocal support for Zelenskyy and not playing politics on defence spending, that's to be applauded.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,806

    HYUFD said:

    Sean_F said:

    Truss ought to expelled from the Conservatives.

    She’s wrong about almost everything, and wrong outside of normal parameters.

    Problem is, Farage would probably try and send her back!
    I think the Tories should persuade Johnson to join Reform. Let's face it, though he won one election against Mr Thicky, he managed to absolutely fuck up the Tory Party for a generation. When he has inadvertently destroyed Reform, his Tory handlers could then instruct him to join the Labour Party, and replace Rachel Reeves as a more honest option.
    Is this your suggested plot of the next James Bond film?
    Lol. Yes indeed, with Bozo in the main role. Nadine could be his Bond girl.
    Double Oh Cripes and Miss MummyPenny.

    The on screen chemistry in the flirting scenes would be off the charts.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,163
    MattW said:

    Vance on the need for shared values to underpin collective defence:

    https://x.com/behizytweets/status/1892603174428754059

    "You do not have shared values if you're jailing people for saying we should close down our border. You don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result. And that happened in Romania. You do not have shared values if you're so afraid of your own people that you silence them and shut them up."

    A perfect illustration.

    This is exactly the same problem as Vance had in Munich declaring that we were arresting people for silent prayer or banning prayer in private homes (the ones I fact-checked about the UK), and the other things.

    We aren't and he's lying to himself - just like Trump when he claims the USA put in 6x as much support into Ukraine as Europe.

    They are a pair of fantaloons, treating stuff they have made up or falsehoods they have swallowed as fact and acting on that basis.
    Not surprising really. Vance is Trump's attack dog whose been allowed on the sofa...
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