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  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,384
    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    algarkirk said:

    With all this Heathrow stuff going on, from the perspective of the grim north - where for most people air travel is about cheap flights from Liverpool etc - it still sounds very southern. I am wondering where is the plan for trains from Liverpool to Hull, buses that aren't pre war, dualling the A1 from London -Edinburgh (guess which bit is missing), and even west coast side Liverpool/Manchester) to Edinburgh.

    Dualling the A1 north of the Toon was canned in the budget in spite of being green flagged by the last lot.
  • tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    It was one of her worst in my opinion. Jenrick must be plotting.

    Starmer is useless at PMQs both as LOTO and PM, but he betters Badenoch (she seems poorly prepared) in a way he seldom did with Sunak.
    This on the day Starmer's rating of -42 goes below Sunak's worst rating of -41

    See More in Common

    Kemi Badenoch is very different and has plenty of time to develop, not least because there is nobody else remotely suited at present
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,384
    edited January 29

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Fair point, Ed Miliband's VAT gaffe before 2015 certainly didn't help him.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    She's been much better recently, although she seldom betters Starmer, and that is the crucial point. He's not very good at PMQs either.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Labour have now handily provided us with a metric by which to judge them. The third runway at Heathrow. It may be spurious or wrong-headed, but they've come straight out and said "We desperately need growth, this will provide that growth, we are going to do it". Presumably they are going io legislate to remove all remaining LHR3 obstacles, legal and otherwise, they certainly have a big enough majority to do this

    So, if we see shovels at work near Hounslow in the next two years we will know they are serious. If it doesn't happen, then we know they are pathetic liars. My bet is on the second, I sincerely hope they surprise me
    I have no doubt their intentions are good and their delivery will be mired by legal campaigns like the one from the crank I posted a twitter thread about the other day who stymies any development with legal objections.
    But they have a big enough majority to smash through any objections. They've got 400 MPs FFS. We've also had endless inquiries and endless surveys and no more needs to be done, on that front

    This is why it is such a good test of their real intent. There is nothing stopping them saying Action This Day - and seeing it done. They have the power to force this through. I'm not remotely optimistic but I am prepared to give them this one last chance
    "Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan"

    A plan he repeatedly denied had anything to do with him or his policies during the actual campaign.
    His "plan" is simply to dominate the news and titillate himself.
    An alternative take:

    https://x.com/balajis/status/1884271593620468026

    The full scope of what is happening is completely unprecedented in our lifetimes.

    The Trump executive orders were clearly meticulously planned to strike every single source of blue power, simultaneously, both in the US and abroad.

    A fusillade of legal cruise missiles.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,666
    Leon said:

    The fact is he had two or three years to prepare, and boy did he and they prepare.

    Except they didn't

    Their "plan" so far has been a shitshow

    "We are going to spend $500 billion on AI"

    China can do it for $50...

    "We are going to pause all Government grants"

    You know that means 90% of all US Government spending, right?

    "Oh shit, we didn't mean ALL grants... just the ones we don't like..."

    If this is what prepared looks like, Labour are on a winner
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,746

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    24m
    £22.6bn extra for the NHS & they still try to insist they're short of funds & we all ought to cough up even more. When will a politician be brave enough to say "No. We're done."

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1884570740785029468

    All it takes, Mr Lilico, is for people to stop living longer. If we just went back to the ‘70s, when people died of cancer, they wouldn’t need all that money.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,666

    A fusillade of legal cruise missiles.

    Several of which exploded on launch
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    edited January 29

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Comparing Trump and Starmer like this seems a little disingenuous when Starmer had mere hours between being elected and becoming Prime Minister, whereas the US system has a 2-month transitional period!

    Meanwhile, Trump’s hitting the ground running has produced complete chaos in federal services with unclear rules and badly worded directives. There have also been vast numbers of legal challenges, unsurprising given how much Trump has sought to trample over laws. If all you care about is headlines and owning the libs, he’s done well, but in terms of actual good governance, it’s been a disaster.

    Whether or not it is a disaster we will see, I have no opinion either way on that aspect at the moment but I do know those opposed to Trump are not going to be positive about it. Time will tell.

    My main interest is what happens with tariffs.

    No it is also perfectly fair to compare the two given one of the selling points of Labour was as a govt ready to go with a team already in place. Starmer and co made a thing of it and even friendly commentators in the media reiterated this claim. IT is one of the reasons I changed from WNV to Labour.

    They had been working on policy and the program of govt for a while.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    I never watch PMQ's but from here I know that from the labour supporters perspective Badenoch is awful and for those on the right she is okay.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    It was one of her worst in my opinion. Jenrick must be plotting.

    Starmer is useless at PMQs both as LOTO and PM, but he betters Badenoch (she seems poorly prepared) in a way he seldom did with Sunak.
    This on the day Starmer's rating of -42 goes below Sunak's worst rating of -41

    See More in Common

    Kemi Badenoch is very different and has plenty of time to develop, not least because there is nobody else remotely suited at present
    You clearly didn't read my post. I said Starmer isn't very good, it's just your girl is even worse. I despise Jenrick with a vengeance, and he got owned by Mahmood yesterday, but he at least reads his briefing notes, Starmer would struggle.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,923

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    Is calling female politicians lettuces misogynistic? Cant be too careful these days.

    Also is a man in a very high chair looking down on and telling off a woman misogynistic?

    Thanks in advance.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920
    edited January 29

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Comparing Trump and Starmer like this seems a little disingenuous when Starmer had mere hours between being elected and becoming Prime Minister, whereas the US system has a 2-month transitional period!

    Meanwhile, Trump’s hitting the ground running has produced complete chaos in federal services with unclear rules and badly worded directives. There have also been vast numbers of legal challenges, unsurprising given how much Trump has sought to trample over laws. If all you care about is headlines and owning the libs, he’s done well, but in terms of actual good governance, it’s been a disaster.
    The chaos is the point.
    It largely is, yes. It's a mistake to overthink him as regards ideology or plans or policies. Trump2 is the ultimate reality tv show and the number one priority, dwarfing all others, is the ratings. So long as people stay addicted it's a win.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    Taz said:

    I never watch PMQ's but from here I know that from the labour supporters perspective Badenoch is awful and for those on the right she is okay.

    On that scale where do you place TSE?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    edited January 29
    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    With all this Heathrow stuff going on, from the perspective of the grim north - where for most people air travel is about cheap flights from Liverpool etc - it still sounds very southern. I am wondering where is the plan for trains from Liverpool to Hull, buses that aren't pre war, dualling the A1 from London -Edinburgh (guess which bit is missing), and even west coast side Liverpool/Manchester) to Edinburgh.

    Dualling the A1 north of the Toon was canned in the budget in spite of being green flagged by the last lot.
    The NE of England always gets screwed. They've got 9% of the motorway that the NW of England does (41% of the dual carriageway) , and none of these fabled rail projects will ever make it up there.

    At least make the Metro bigger and better.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Comparing Trump and Starmer like this seems a little disingenuous when Starmer had mere hours between being elected and becoming Prime Minister, whereas the US system has a 2-month transitional period!

    Meanwhile, Trump’s hitting the ground running has produced complete chaos in federal services with unclear rules and badly worded directives. There have also been vast numbers of legal challenges, unsurprising given how much Trump has sought to trample over laws. If all you care about is headlines and owning the libs, he’s done well, but in terms of actual good governance, it’s been a disaster.
    Wasn’t hiring Sue Gray supposed to be part of a plan to hit the ground running with a series of meticulously planned bills?
  • Taz said:

    I never watch PMQ's but from here I know that from the labour supporters perspective Badenoch is awful and for those on the right she is okay.

    And to be fair when conservative start to reflect concern then that would be different but at present she seems to be well supported by conservatives and her mps
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    24m
    £22.6bn extra for the NHS & they still try to insist they're short of funds & we all ought to cough up even more. When will a politician be brave enough to say "No. We're done."

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1884570740785029468

    All it takes, Mr Lilico, is for people to stop living longer. If we just went back to the ‘70s, when people died of cancer, they wouldn’t need all that money.
    But more money without reform is madness.

    Thanks to family I see far too much of the nhs in action and there is waste and pointless activities and lack of joined-up admin everywhere.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,543
    edited January 29

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.

    Badenoch calm. Starmer shouty, patronising and personal. And no, he didn't answer the questions.
    Yes. Kemi was calm and forensic. Starmer's entire response is built around "but the last government did this. The last government did that." People have already had enough of it (hence Labour's own dire position in the polls)

    i also think a lot of what Kemi is doing at PMQ's right now is laying the groundwork for the next 2-3 years. Labours reversal of Thatchers Union reforms will come back to bite them at some point in this Parliament, IMO.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 5,243

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Of course in some cultures, cabbage is a term of affection. Maybe we can do the same with lettuce.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,628
    boulay said:

    OpenAI says Chinese rivals using its work for their AI apps
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9vm1m8wpr9o

    And it definitely didn't cost $5m to train.

    I’m sorry but I find it very hard to believe that the Chinese would take intellectual property from the west and copy it and turn it out cheap. A very unfair accusation.

    A particularly unfair, actually quite amusing, accusation from an organisation who refuses to recognise the copyright of the material it scrapes from the web to train its models because it would make their product unaffordable.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,135
    I thought Badenoch was OK at PMQs. OK. Not stellar, not knocking it out of the park, passable.

    Truth be told, neither of them are very good at it. Starmer usually does better because he has the right of reply and he is at least somewhat able to think on his feet when it comes to attack lines. When he’s on policy he’s usually quite poor. Badenoch is notably very scripted.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Comparing Trump and Starmer like this seems a little disingenuous when Starmer had mere hours between being elected and becoming Prime Minister, whereas the US system has a 2-month transitional period!

    Meanwhile, Trump’s hitting the ground running has produced complete chaos in federal services with unclear rules and badly worded directives. There have also been vast numbers of legal challenges, unsurprising given how much Trump has sought to trample over laws. If all you care about is headlines and owning the libs, he’s done well, but in terms of actual good governance, it’s been a disaster.
    Wasn’t hiring Sue Gray supposed to be part of a plan to hit the ground running with a series of meticulously planned bills?
    :lol:

    Chapeau.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,543
    edited January 29

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    I'm sure she knew/was expecting the Speaker would tell her off. But she planted the seed didn't she?

    Did Starmer mislead the house? Does he really know what his own government is doing or not?
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Taz said:

    I never watch PMQ's but from here I know that from the labour supporters perspective Badenoch is awful and for those on the right she is okay.

    On that scale where do you place TSE?
    He said

    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer,"

    I think that would not go well for her with him.

    If she liked Pineapple on Pizza and Radiohead I think it gets even worse for her.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.

    Badenoch calm. Starmer shouty, patronising and personal. And no, he didn't answer the questions.
    Yes. Kemi was calm and forensic. Starmer's entire response is built around "but the last government did this. The last government did that." People have already had enough of it (hence Labour's own dire position in the polls)

    i also think a lot of what Kemi is doing at PMQ's is laying the groundwork for the next 2-3 years. Labours reversal of Thatchers Union reforms will come back to bite them at some point in this Parliament, IMO.
    Exactly this. She is tying him in personally to all of the policies that they are proposing, when they inevitably go wrong. He can only get away with blaming the last government for so long.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    The lettuce joke is rather tired. I don't think "lettuce" is misogynistic, so is it racist?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    I'm sure she knew/was expecting the Speakert would tell her off. But she planted the seed didn't she?

    Did Starmer mislead the house? Does he really know what his own government is doing or not?
    I suspect the line, 'when is he going to stop being a lawyer and be a leader' has been road tested in their own focus groups.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169

    glw said:

    .

    Barnesian said:

    Did I hear that right?
    Rachel says a third runway at Heathrow would increase GDP by 0.043% by 2050? Staggering.

    It was 0.43%, which is about £10 billion. But still not a vast difference in the grand scheme of things over a period of 25 years.

    If it was only 0.043% that wouldn't even make the hassle worth the while.
    Over a period of 25 years, isn’t this like compound interest? 0.43% becomes 11% over 25 years.
    No they mean 0.43% larger by 2050. If it was 11% larger by then they'd be banging on about a £275 billion windfall.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,384
    I'd have been tempted to say Rachel from Accounts after the lettuce jibe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,004
    edited January 29
    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,474
    Today marks the first day of the year in which the sun rises before 8am (in Manchester). The last month has seen sunrise get 27 minutes earlier; in the next month it will get an hour earlier.
    Crucially, in about a fortnight, there will be a faint morning light coming through my curtains before the alarm goes off. It will make getting out of bed substantially less unpleasant.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    The lettuce joke is rather tired. I don't think "lettuce" is misogynistic, so is it racist?
    Definitely 'ableist'. It is in their nature that lettuce's wilt. They can't help it.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,915
    Nigelb said:



    "Try everything once, except folk dancing and incest."

    These two should be tried more than once?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.

    Badenoch calm. Starmer shouty, patronising and personal. And no, he didn't answer the questions.
    Yes. Kemi was calm and forensic. Starmer's entire response is built around "but the last government did this. The last government did that." People have already had enough of it (hence Labour's own dire position in the polls)

    i also think a lot of what Kemi is doing at PMQ's right now is laying the groundwork for the next 2-3 years. Labours reversal of Thatchers Union reforms will come back to bite them at some point in this Parliament, IMO.
    Wow. I suspect Labour, Reform and the LDs will be quite content if Badenoch remains LOTO for the next GE.

    I am not sure the Red Robbo and Arthur Scargill run the country narrative is as compelling as it was in the 1970s and 80s.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,746

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Comparing Trump and Starmer like this seems a little disingenuous when Starmer had mere hours between being elected and becoming Prime Minister, whereas the US system has a 2-month transitional period!

    Meanwhile, Trump’s hitting the ground running has produced complete chaos in federal services with unclear rules and badly worded directives. There have also been vast numbers of legal challenges, unsurprising given how much Trump has sought to trample over laws. If all you care about is headlines and owning the libs, he’s done well, but in terms of actual good governance, it’s been a disaster.
    Wasn’t hiring Sue Gray supposed to be part of a plan to hit the ground running with a series of meticulously planned bills?
    Labour’s Gray strategy did not go well, no.

    (But, equally, parts of Trump’s plan faltered quickly: whither Matt Gaetz and Vivek Ramaswamy?)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Labour have now handily provided us with a metric by which to judge them. The third runway at Heathrow. It may be spurious or wrong-headed, but they've come straight out and said "We desperately need growth, this will provide that growth, we are going to do it". Presumably they are going io legislate to remove all remaining LHR3 obstacles, legal and otherwise, they certainly have a big enough majority to do this

    So, if we see shovels at work near Hounslow in the next two years we will know they are serious. If it doesn't happen, then we know they are pathetic liars. My bet is on the second, I sincerely hope they surprise me
    I have no doubt their intentions are good and their delivery will be mired by legal campaigns like the one from the crank I posted a twitter thread about the other day who stymies any development with legal objections.
    But they have a big enough majority to smash through any objections. They've got 400 MPs FFS. We've also had endless inquiries and endless surveys and no more needs to be done, on that front

    This is why it is such a good test of their real intent. There is nothing stopping them saying Action This Day - and seeing it done. They have the power to force this through. I'm not remotely optimistic but I am prepared to give them this one last chance
    "Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan"

    A plan he repeatedly denied had anything to do with him or his policies during the actual campaign.
    His "plan" is simply to dominate the news and titillate himself.
    An alternative take:

    https://x.com/balajis/status/1884271593620468026

    The full scope of what is happening is completely unprecedented in our lifetimes.

    The Trump executive orders were clearly meticulously planned to strike every single source of blue power, simultaneously, both in the US and abroad.

    A fusillade of legal cruise missiles.
    Not an alternative, as such, since I agree that a blizzard of crude, ill-intentioned, impractical and illegal executive orders in the first week of a presidency is unprecedented. And there's a good reason for that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    That’s a bit racist

    I love it. I love the shamanic “outsider art” aesthetic

    For me the figures - at once naive and deliberate - evoke the primitivist urgency of CoBrA artists or the fragmented narratives of Aboriginal dot paintings, their surreal distortions suggesting an alternative epistemology, a cosmology unmoored from Western linearity. The animals, spectral yet concrete? - they possess a totemic authority: elephants rendered in a near-psychedelic incompleteness, a spotted stag crowned with antlers that defy taxonomy. They’re lovely. But are they vegan? I dare say they might be

    Then there’s rhe chromatic field - that red of such purity that it transcends mere pigment - it’s like a visual amplifier, both sacral and visceral, an arterial current binding the disparate elements. The embroidered tableaux oscillate between ritual and the quotidian: a peacock with imperial gravitas, a bowman in mid-sacrament, and a gong suspended in an enigma of sport or ceremony. The humanoid figures, with their elongated faces and spectral expressions, resist anthropocentric familiarity, emerging instead as liminal beings, intermediaries between the real and the ineffable. Also they remind me of @kinabalu when he’s unable to grasp a point

    Is this a cultural document, an oneiric map, or a piece of noomy détournement? It is all and none - a relic of a narrative forever in motion, refusing resolution

    It is PB hand woven in cotton, in the remote valleys of Kachin Myanmar
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    With all this Heathrow stuff going on, from the perspective of the grim north - where for most people air travel is about cheap flights from Liverpool etc - it still sounds very southern. I am wondering where is the plan for trains from Liverpool to Hull, buses that aren't pre war, dualling the A1 from London -Edinburgh (guess which bit is missing), and even west coast side Liverpool/Manchester) to Edinburgh.

    Dualling the A1 north of the Toon was canned in the budget in spite of being green flagged by the last lot.
    The NE of England always gets screwed. They've got 9% of the motorway that the NW of England does (41% of the dual carriageway) , and none of these fabled rail projects will ever make it up there.

    At least make the Metro bigger and better.
    We get very little up here and have to be happy with what we get.

    NECA have had plans in place for a while now in 2016 they had a vision for the Metro which would expand it. Suffice to say nothing happened and these must be dead now we have a Metro Mayor.

    https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/vfm_eco_value_19_march.pdf

    However Kim McGuinness our new Mayor is looking at the Washington Loop for the Metro as part of a wider project on the Leamside Line.

    https://www.northeast-ca.gov.uk/news/transport/north-east-mayor-will-bring-the-metro-to-washington
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445
    boulay said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    ...Also is a man in a very high chair looking down on and telling off a woman misogynistic?.. .
    If so, tennis is fucked.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,746

    Andrew Lilico
    @andrew_lilico
    ·
    24m
    £22.6bn extra for the NHS & they still try to insist they're short of funds & we all ought to cough up even more. When will a politician be brave enough to say "No. We're done."

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1884570740785029468

    All it takes, Mr Lilico, is for people to stop living longer. If we just went back to the ‘70s, when people died of cancer, they wouldn’t need all that money.
    But more money without reform is madness.

    Thanks to family I see far too much of the nhs in action and there is waste and pointless activities and lack of joined-up admin everywhere.
    More money without reform would be madness, but given there is a vast amount of reform going on all the time in the NHS, that won’t be a problem.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239
    tlg86 said:

    I'd have been tempted to say Rachel from Accounts after the lettuce jibe.

    Unfair. Rachel is playing dress up as an aeroplane pilot today.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,923
    tlg86 said:

    I'd have been tempted to say Rachel from Accounts after the lettuce jibe.

    “At least I’m not a giant spanner made by a toolmaker.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    ...

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    The lettuce joke is rather tired. I don't think "lettuce" is misogynistic, so is it racist?
    Definitely 'ableist'. It is in their nature that lettuce's wilt. They can't help it.
    But wasn't that the thrust of the Daily Star's joke. Truss's Government wilted fast.
  • MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Barnesian said:

    HYUFD said:
    Many Labour voters in London are too.
    It's an odd fight to pick which she may well lose.
    She should have concentrated on Gatwick expansion which costs a fraction of Heathrow3 and delivers similar benefits. It is also a hub. There are 220 overseas destinations from Gatwick as well as Aberdeen, Edinburgh etc.
    And flights to Gatwick don’t fly over Barnes…
    In the meantime there are several other runway projects which are ready to roll - for example increased use of Runway Two at Gatwick, which is consultation and regulation, plus Luton, are in process.

    plus Bristol, plus London City, plus Manston (Kent), plus Southampton, plus Stansted, are approved. Plus Birmingham and Manchester being built aiui.

    RR needs to get her butt in gear and just move on these.
    Especially with Luton, since that is convenient for the Oxford/Cambridge corridor.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    That comparison is not quite right. For one thing, even if Labour's Ming vase tactic meant not disclosing plans, that does not preclude making plans. Second, Trump distanced himself from Project 2025 whose programme he is now rushing through.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,746
    glw said:

    glw said:

    .

    Barnesian said:

    Did I hear that right?
    Rachel says a third runway at Heathrow would increase GDP by 0.043% by 2050? Staggering.

    It was 0.43%, which is about £10 billion. But still not a vast difference in the grand scheme of things over a period of 25 years.

    If it was only 0.043% that wouldn't even make the hassle worth the while.
    Over a period of 25 years, isn’t this like compound interest? 0.43% becomes 11% over 25 years.
    No they mean 0.43% larger by 2050. If it was 11% larger by then they'd be banging on about a £275 billion windfall.
    Then I withdraw my comment.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,785
    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
  • Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920
    tlg86 said:

    I'd have been tempted to say Rachel from Accounts after the lettuce jibe.

    I think you'll find that "Rachel from Accounts" is not a jibe that Kemi Badenoch, being a woman, would want to use. She will recognize its innate sexism.
  • kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
  • Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    Rachel from Accounts latest:

    Oliver Cooper
    @OliverCooper
    Yesterday, Lloyds Banking Group’s CEO had breakfast sat between Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

    Today, Lloyds announce they’re shutting 136 branches.

    Growth plan going well then.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,643
    edited January 29
    Robert Jenrick must be feeling quietly confident that he'll be Tory leader within a year or two. Badenoch needs to improve fairly quickly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    edited January 29

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
    It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven textiles

    “Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status

    Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:

    Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.

    Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.

    Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”

    $105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,340

    Fishing said:

    viewcode said:

    I just remembered a line from Yes Minister about the role of NATO: "Keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down". We've failed all three... :(

    Not sure I agree.

    The Americans are still in NATO, the Russians never took West Berlin that I remember and the Germans are doing an excellent job of keeping themselves down at the moment with one incompetent, failing coalition after another.
    I wouldn't get too pleased about Germans having one incompetent, failing coalition after another.

    We know what happened last time that was the case in Germany.
    True.

    Also it doesn't come well from an Englishman as we are currently suffering one incompetent, failing single party government after another.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    That’s a bit racist

    I love it. I love the shamanic “outsider art” aesthetic

    For me the figures - at once naive and deliberate - evoke the primitivist urgency of CoBrA artists or the fragmented narratives of Aboriginal dot paintings, their surreal distortions suggesting an alternative epistemology, a cosmology unmoored from Western linearity. The animals, spectral yet concrete? - they possess a totemic authority: elephants rendered in a near-psychedelic incompleteness, a spotted stag crowned with antlers that defy taxonomy. They’re lovely. But are they vegan? I dare say they might be

    Then there’s rhe chromatic field - that red of such purity that it transcends mere pigment - it’s like a visual amplifier, both sacral and visceral, an arterial current binding the disparate elements. The embroidered tableaux oscillate between ritual and the quotidian: a peacock with imperial gravitas, a bowman in mid-sacrament, and a gong suspended in an enigma of sport or ceremony. The humanoid figures, with their elongated faces and spectral expressions, resist anthropocentric familiarity, emerging instead as liminal beings, intermediaries between the real and the ineffable. Also they remind me of @kinabalu when he’s unable to grasp a point

    Is this a cultural document, an oneiric map, or a piece of noomy détournement? It is all and none - a relic of a narrative forever in motion, refusing resolution

    It is PB hand woven in cotton, in the remote valleys of Kachin Myanmar
    I hope you didn't craft the whole of this strong contender for pseuds corner simply to get that kuntibula gag in.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
    It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton

    “Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status

    Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:

    Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.

    Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.

    Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”

    $105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
    Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    Rachel from Accounts latest:

    Oliver Cooper
    @OliverCooper
    Yesterday, Lloyds Banking Group’s CEO had breakfast sat between Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

    Today, Lloyds announce they’re shutting 136 branches.

    Growth plan going well then.
    Paging Anabobz to the thread, paging Anabobz to the thread.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    On growth, Labour lost the 'benefit of the doubt' with their utterly inept first six months.

    What are they proposing? Exactly what you'd expect from them - absolutely nothing new that hasn't been discussed for years, or isn't already happening.

    Lots of new reservoirs - many of these have been in the pipeline for years and are at various planning stages. Oxford to Cambridge - years of talking. New runways - decades. Of course, many Labour MPs (including Starmer) have been at the heart of stopping all of these projects over the years.

    When they had the actual chance to do something, like with tech and AI, they stopped the investment because of politics, Sunak proposed it.

    Let's also not forget that the budget (and Rayner's crap) itself will have increased the cost for all of these growth potentials.

    More evidence that they came into power, after 14 years away, without a single original thought or policy.

    The contrast with Trump is incredible, and not in a good way for Labour. Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan of what we he was gonna do from the very get go. And wow, he's doing it. Even if you despise him and his brillaint ideas, he's enacting them with ruthless speed and brutal efficiency

    Labour look like they accidentally wandered in to power, and then started browsing the shelves to see if there are any scotch eggs

    THEY HAD FOURTEEN YEARS TO PREPARE
    Well Labour did present themselves as a govt in waiting, ready to go for the start. Obviously they weren't and many people, myself included, were mugged off by them on that. However I think they can turn it around as plenty of their former voters are DK/WNV rather than straight switchers.

    Irrespective of what people think of Trump he has clearly hit the ground running and has an agenda and is implementing it. A few upset liberals, like the crying actress Selena Gomez in a now deleted video, won't bother them a bit either. Trump has a mandate and is on with it.

    Labours problem was the ming vase approach. Ruling out stuff they really need to do such as the triple lock being reformed. Trump, OTOH, said what he would do rather than what he wouldn't.
    Labour have now handily provided us with a metric by which to judge them. The third runway at Heathrow. It may be spurious or wrong-headed, but they've come straight out and said "We desperately need growth, this will provide that growth, we are going to do it". Presumably they are going io legislate to remove all remaining LHR3 obstacles, legal and otherwise, they certainly have a big enough majority to do this

    So, if we see shovels at work near Hounslow in the next two years we will know they are serious. If it doesn't happen, then we know they are pathetic liars. My bet is on the second, I sincerely hope they surprise me
    I have no doubt their intentions are good and their delivery will be mired by legal campaigns like the one from the crank I posted a twitter thread about the other day who stymies any development with legal objections.
    But they have a big enough majority to smash through any objections. They've got 400 MPs FFS. We've also had endless inquiries and endless surveys and no more needs to be done, on that front

    This is why it is such a good test of their real intent. There is nothing stopping them saying Action This Day - and seeing it done. They have the power to force this through. I'm not remotely optimistic but I am prepared to give them this one last chance
    "Trump came in ready from day one minute one, with a detailed plan"

    A plan he repeatedly denied had anything to do with him or his policies during the actual campaign.
    As i said, that's not the point

    The fact is he had two or three years to prepare, and boy did he and they prepare. So it shows it can be done, in a democracy. Labour had fourteen years to be introspective, then get over it, then have some ideas, then turn these ideas into policy, then map out a grid for how these policies would be enacted in the first six months of government, thereby energising the country and providing hope for all

    Instead, their plan seems to have been - "moan a lot about the Tories and make sure we all get some free shit". Literally, that was their entire plan for government. That was their big idea, after fourteen fucking years of opposition
    I think many of them genuinely thought that the ills of Britain were caused by the fact that the government were Tories, and all they had to do was not be Tories.
    For Starmer and Reeves, certainly. The two technocrats do apparently believe there is a technically correct answer to every problem that the evil Tories had blocked the civil service from implementing.

    We can see this in their appeals to Whitehall department for their plans for growth and also for savings (never mind any implied contradiction there). And when there were none, or not enough, the Prime Minister announces the blockers are not just the last government but also senior civil servants ‘comfortable in tepid bath of managed decline’.

  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
    I think it is very wrong for Starmer to call Badenoch a lettuce. That should be reserved exclusively for the Trusster.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
    It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton

    “Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status

    Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:

    Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.

    Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.

    Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”

    $105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
    Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
    Yeah no. Hotel. Bangkok. Soi 6 Klong Thoei
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    Taz said:

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    Rachel from Accounts latest:

    Oliver Cooper
    @OliverCooper
    Yesterday, Lloyds Banking Group’s CEO had breakfast sat between Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

    Today, Lloyds announce they’re shutting 136 branches.

    Growth plan going well then.
    Paging Anabobz to the thread, paging Anabobz to the thread.
    Where is @Anabobazina?!

    Not seen him this year?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Especially when the people noticing their leader's PMQs flops are their fellow MPs who then agitate for a new leader. Ask IDS.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,004
    edited January 29

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    My throw has noom
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,543
    Andy_JS said:

    Robert Jenrick must be feeling quietly confident that he'll be Tory leader within a year or two. Badenoch needs to improve fairly quickly.

    She's got the toughest job in politics and she's doing fine (for now)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,643
    YouGov Germany

    CDU/CSU 29%
    AfD 23%
    SPD 15%
    Green 13%
    BSW 6%
    Left 5%
    FDP 3%
    Others 5%

    https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
  • The economy is getting a Keir Shunt
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377
    edited January 29
    PMQs – note the idea to build datacentres in naturally cold areas has long been floated on pb.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
    Ah ok, sorry, I thought (assumed?) you had. I can't track everyone all the time, I try but I can't, so in that case hats off and please continue to not. It reflects well on you.
  • tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Especially when the people noticing their leader's PMQs flops are their fellow MPs who then agitate for a new leader. Ask IDS.
    Indeed.

    Look at William Hague, battered Blair at PMQs pretty much every week but was behind in the polls bar a week for four years.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Tut. 99% by amount of money? Or numbers of transactions?
  • Carnyx said:

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Tut. 99% by amount of money? Or numbers of transactions?
    Both.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    The desperate whining from the PB lefties about the term “rachel from accounts” is quite telling

    It says: this stings

    Ergo we must all continue to use it
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Especially when the people noticing their leader's PMQs flops are their fellow MPs who then agitate for a new leader. Ask IDS.
    Indeed.

    Look at William Hague, battered Blair at PMQs pretty much every week but was behind in the polls bar a week for four years.
    It rarely fails to amaze me how little politicians understand about politics.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,353

    Carnyx said:

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Tut. 99% by amount of money? Or numbers of transactions?
    Both.
    And haircuts. Don't forget haircuts.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
    Ah ok, sorry, I thought (assumed?) you had. I can't track everyone all the time, I try but I can't, so in that case hats off and please continue to not. It reflects well on you.
    You try to track everyone all the time?

    Give it up for your own good
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404

    Carnyx said:

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Tut. 99% by amount of money? Or numbers of transactions?
    Both.
    I find that difficult to believe, but seeing as it's you not certain other posters ...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Especially when the people noticing their leader's PMQs flops are their fellow MPs who then agitate for a new leader. Ask IDS.
    Indeed.

    Look at William Hague, battered Blair at PMQs pretty much every week but was behind in the polls bar a week for four years.
    I met Fffffffffffffion Hague once. At a party. Surprisingly hot and decidedly callipygous
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,004
    edited January 29
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Tut. 99% by amount of money? Or numbers of transactions?
    Both.
    I find that difficult to believe, but seeing as it's you not certain other posters ...
    I’d say any regular cash transactions of £50 and above raises red flags.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
    Ah ok, sorry, I thought (assumed?) you had. I can't track everyone all the time, I try but I can't, so in that case hats off and please continue to not. It reflects well on you.
    You try to track everyone all the time?

    Give it up for your own good
    I'd like to but who would take over? It's a big commitment.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,836

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    'lettuce' is gender neutral, I think? but it's a bit of a tired joke by now that doesn't seem to make any sense in this context - hasn't Badenoch already lasted longer a lettuce? Or is he predicting that she will become PM but only for a few days? I don't get it.

    I wouldn't use 'Rachel from Accounts' myself, and as you're asking my advice: steer clear of it if you want to avoid any appearance of being an arse.

    I'm happy to give people the benefit of the doubt if they do use it, though it does leave a bit of an off smell.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,092

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    Rachel from Accounts latest:

    Oliver Cooper
    @OliverCooper
    Yesterday, Lloyds Banking Group’s CEO had breakfast sat between Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.

    Today, Lloyds announce they’re shutting 136 branches.

    Growth plan going well then.
    What are branches for in the modern era? No-one is going to the counter to pay in or withdraw cash. Most stuff is far easier online.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,377
    GIN1138 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Robert Jenrick must be feeling quietly confident that he'll be Tory leader within a year or two. Badenoch needs to improve fairly quickly.

    She's got the toughest job in politics and she's doing fine (for now)
    Kemi is doing badly but as posted earlier in this thread, Jenrick is just as bad, if not worse. Here is that 30-second clip showing him being read the riot act yesterday.
    https://x.com/PeterStefanovi2/status/1884273412534894738
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    ....
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    Being soaked in the tears of the 8 year old slave who made it counters any Woke entirely.
    It wasn’t a slave. Kachin Burma has a long noble tradition of hand woven cotton

    “Kachin textiles are not merely aesthetic but play an essential role in social and ceremonial life. Traditionally, they are worn during weddings, festivals (Manau celebrations), and rites of passage. Men wear intricately woven longyis (sarongs), while women wear htameins (skirts) paired with elaborately embroidered jackets and headdresses. Warriors and leaders historically wore finely woven garments as symbols of status

    Kachin textiles are renowned and highly prized by collectors for their bold geometric patterns, intricate embroidery, and bright contrasting colors. Common motifs include:

    Zigzags & diamonds: Representing mountains and rivers, key features of Kachin landscapes.

    Animal symbols: Elephants, deer, birds, and mythical creatures, often linked to animist beliefs.

    Tribal patterns: Each Kachin sub-group (such as the Jinghpaw, Rawang, or Lisu) has distinct designs that indicate regional or clan identity.”

    $105! Bargain. I utterly adore it
    Is that your hotel room. I would be seriously concerned if you made your bed up every day like that in NW1.
    Perhaps Leon has a housekeeper.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920

    kinabalu said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    Would it stop you if the answer was no?
    Until now, I have never once used the term 'Rachel from Accounts' anywhere. However, now that the PM thinks calling people a lettuce at PMQs is the appropriate grown up thing to do (and many on here clearly agree), I feel that I shall use the term freely at all available moments.
    I think it is very wrong for Starmer to call Badenoch a lettuce. That should be reserved exclusively for the Trusster.
    Agreed. Otherwise it gets devalued.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,445
    kamski said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I thought Starmer won with the line "We know she's not a lawyer, she's clearly not a leader, but if she keeps on like this, she is going to be the next lettuce."

    Plus it wasn’t a good look for Badenoch when the Speaker had to tell her off,
    So, now that Starmer thinks it is perfectly fine to call Badenoch a 'lettuce' at PMQs and people on here like it, are we all OK with 'Rachel from Accounts'?
    'lettuce' is gender neutral, I think? but it's a bit of a tired joke by now that doesn't seem to make any sense in this context - hasn't Badenoch already lasted longer a lettuce? Or is he predicting that she will become PM but only for a few days? I don't get it.

    I wouldn't use 'Rachel from Accounts' myself, and as you're asking my advice: steer clear of it if you want to avoid any appearance of being an arse.

    I'm happy to give people the benefit of the doubt if they do use it, though it does leave a bit of an off smell.
    This stuff is really really pathetic. Labour are in power. They will get mocked and insulted. What did they honestly expect??
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,092
    Leon said:

    tlg86 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Badenoch absolutely dreadful at PMQs. Starmer actually (unusually) answered her first question, so she asked it twice more. Time for Honest Bob?

    Davy was effective.


    I thought she did rather well?
    I watched PMQs for the first time since she became leader. I was very pleasantly surprised. Thought she did very well.

    But this is an area where I'm almost always out of step with everyone else.

    Also, PMQs doesn't matter one bit.
    It does and it doesn’t.

    A former participant in PMQs once observed nobody notices if you win but people notice when you do badly.
    Especially when the people noticing their leader's PMQs flops are their fellow MPs who then agitate for a new leader. Ask IDS.
    Indeed.

    Look at William Hague, battered Blair at PMQs pretty much every week but was behind in the polls bar a week for four years.
    I met Fffffffffffffion Hague once. At a party. Surprisingly hot and decidedly callipygous
    Thanks - I have learned a new word for the day.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,141

    HYUFD said:

    Labour to cut back A level Maths support programme
    https://x.com/NeilDotObrien/status/1884513584023032097

    Good, I didn’t need any support when I got As in A Level Maths and Further Maths, and this was when A Levels were very difficult.

    The youth of today are far too mollycoddled.
    From memory a level maths today contains things that were first / second year degree when I went to Uni
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445

    Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    Every week I go to the cash point and take out a fixed amount of cash. It helps me budget during the week. I also get the slip that tells me how much money I have and enter that in a spreadsheet. I have been doing that for more decades than I like to think.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 393
    Leon said:

    kamski said:

    Leon said:

    What’s happened to me. I used to do drugs and be bad

    Now I have become the sort of person that buys artisanal handwoven throws

    It’s from Kachin. $105


    I was going to say how rubbish it is, but it's actually not a bad effort for the 8-year-old who probably made it.
    That’s a bit racist

    I love it. I love the shamanic “outsider art” aesthetic

    For me the figures - at once naive and deliberate - evoke the primitivist urgency of CoBrA artists or the fragmented narratives of Aboriginal dot paintings, their surreal distortions suggesting an alternative epistemology, a cosmology unmoored from Western linearity. The animals, spectral yet concrete? - they possess a totemic authority: elephants rendered in a near-psychedelic incompleteness, a spotted stag crowned with antlers that defy taxonomy. They’re lovely. But are they vegan? I dare say they might be

    Then there’s rhe chromatic field - that red of such purity that it transcends mere pigment - it’s like a visual amplifier, both sacral and visceral, an arterial current binding the disparate elements. The embroidered tableaux oscillate between ritual and the quotidian: a peacock with imperial gravitas, a bowman in mid-sacrament, and a gong suspended in an enigma of sport or ceremony. The humanoid figures, with their elongated faces and spectral expressions, resist anthropocentric familiarity, emerging instead as liminal beings, intermediaries between the real and the ineffable. Also they remind me of @kinabalu when he’s unable to grasp a point

    Is this a cultural document, an oneiric map, or a piece of noomy détournement? It is all and none - a relic of a narrative forever in motion, refusing resolution

    It is PB hand woven in cotton, in the remote valleys of Kachin Myanmar
    How did you get that passed the AI Checker?


  • Cash is dead, part 2,444

    Lloyds Banking Group to close a further 136 branches.

    https://www.ft.com/content/d41e7dc9-90e4-4247-a70e-fc1ae1fd4c72

    But apparently cash is implicated in child abuse.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre8n7wr31jo
    Given my day job, I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    If you use cash you are on the side of the criminals and tax dodgers as well as making the lives harder for legitimate businesses.
    'I can confidently say that 99% of all cash transactions are something to do with dodging taxes, drugs, and/or wider criminality.

    Wow. Any particular data to back up this 99% of all cash transactions are dodgy statistic? I will think on this next time I buy a pint, or do some top up shopping and consider what criminality I am supporting.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,106

    PMQs – note the idea to build datacentres in naturally cold areas has long been floated on pb.

    That works for the big global superscaler cloud applications that do stuff in the background, and lots of them are already in cold countries with cheap renewable energy, but a lot of data centres need to be close to the main markets to minimise latency, hence most are in the Thames valley and more widely around the FLAPD hubs.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,141
    edited January 29
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    algarkirk said:

    With all this Heathrow stuff going on, from the perspective of the grim north - where for most people air travel is about cheap flights from Liverpool etc - it still sounds very southern. I am wondering where is the plan for trains from Liverpool to Hull, buses that aren't pre war, dualling the A1 from London -Edinburgh (guess which bit is missing), and even west coast side Liverpool/Manchester) to Edinburgh.

    When the Heathrow 3rd runways opens there will be five flights from Liverpool to London before 9am, and vice-versa.

    Yes there is a missed opprtunity to run E-W rail in the North, from Liverpool to Hull.
    The fact there would be that kind of demand, for a train journey of only 2 hours, demonstrates just how much we needed HS2 to open up some capacity (not speed FFS).

    3rd runway at Heathrow to enable people to fly to Liverpool? Not a serious country.
    You’re right but equally at the moment if I want to fly to someone that isn’t incredibly mainstream I have no choice but to fly via Amsterdam.

    Yes I could go to Newcastle and go via CDG but just nope either way you can’t go via Heathrow which would be what most people expect

    So those 3 flights from Liverpool will be 1 plane for onward connections and 2 for people to get to London cheaper than the train - with train prices set insanely high to limit demand on already full services
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