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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    When someone posts something entirely reasonable, coherent and hard for anyone to disagree with, then I occasionally respond with "[x] has been banned". I realize this may not be entirely mature behavior, but it amuses me.
    Thankfully it's rare.
    Unanimously reasonable, coherent, and unaguable comments would be extremely boring. Three cheers for the shit stirrers!

    It's also why people should give parliamentarians some slack if they ever sound, look, or act like ill-informed, childish, nutjobs.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 144

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,506
    Meanwhile CDC, NIH have gone dark on the H5N1... absolute madness to ban them from communicating externally. You couldn't make it up.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
    Barely a drop in the bucket of the prison population I think.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 144
    kle4 said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
    Barely a drop in the bucket of the prison population I think.
    It was a tongue in cheek comment. But you know, every little helps.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    edited January 23
    Taz said:

    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.

    They will never top their 2015 musical PPB involving 'lookalikes' of Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404
    rkrkrk said:

    Meanwhile CDC, NIH have gone dark on the H5N1... absolute madness to ban them from communicating externally. You couldn't make it up.

    Aren't some folk in the US positively encouraging people to drink H5N1-infected raw milk? Or did I imagine reading that a few weeks ago?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,958

    kle4 said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
    Barely a drop in the bucket of the prison population I think.
    It was a tongue in cheek comment. But you know, every little helps.
    Make them into Soyulent Green?

    {this comment is approved by the Chinese Communist Party}
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,835
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    The lecture on "Explaining my atrocity thru the medium of dance" is quite popular. Although the one where the mime pretends to blow up an invisible box with an invisible bomb has, for understandable reasons, been sidelined in recent years.
    What do you mean by 'the mime pretends'?
    The joke was that the mime pretending to blow up had been superseded by the mime actually blowing up, hence the sidelining of the lecture.
    How can miming pretend to blow up?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    edited January 23

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    But hanging really is too good for this creature. He doesn't deserve it to be over quickly. he deserves to rot in jail, with the occasional attempt by another lifer to off him. May he never know a day's peace.
    Expecting lifers to do our dirty work is immoral.
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.

    They will never top their 2015 musical PPB involving 'lookalikes' of Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg
    OMG that’s glorious and I’ve never seen that before and I consider my life enriched for it.

    Thanks.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.

    They will never top their 2015 musical PPB involving 'lookalikes' of Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg
    OMG that’s glorious and I’ve never seen that before and I consider my life enriched for it.

    Thanks.
    Bit harsh (or nice) to Farage to suggest he was exactly the same as the others though.

    More parties should go this route though - so many ads are cheesy anyway, so go big.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,166
    Off Topic
    I've just finished watching "last night on earth"!!

    You don't think Trump and his 8 oligarchs know something we don't know? Perhaps he wants to build an enormous bunker in Greenland?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233

    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
    He may have been once.

    The first time I noticed him was a decade or more ago when he raised my eyebrows by categorising UKIP as "Far Right".

    How times change :smile: .
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,373

    We don’t know the full facts of what happened in Southport. An inquiry is going to look into the matter. Is much good achieved by people here playing armchair detective trying to work out Rudakubana’s motives? It seems rather macabre to play these guessing games.

    Fuck the inquiry lets save the money its not like they ever do any good in any case. When was the last inquiry that actually produced any worthwhile changes. This one will be as futile as the po inquiry , the aberfan inquiry, the dilnott inquiry etc...........................well paid jobs for connected people that make it seem like something might be done that last till people forget something should be done
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,615
    I've just read a short biography of Saddam Hussein's life. And my goodness, he did not have a good childhood.

    His father and brother died whilst his mother was pregnant.
    His mother tried to abort him, and commit suicide, whilst pregnant. (She was saved by a Jewish family...)
    His mother abandoned him as a newborn.
    He went to live with an uncle, who wrote an article titled: ""Three Things that God Should not have Created: Persians, Jews and Flies" "
    Aged three, he goes back to live with his mother and her new husband.
    The new husband mistreats him.
    He goes back to live with his uncle.

    It doesn't excuse any of what he did, but I do wonder how he would have turned out with a more promising childhood.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,945
    MattW said:

    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
    He may have been once.

    The first time I noticed him was a decade or more ago when he raised my eyebrows by categorising UKIP as "Far Right".

    How times change :smile: .
    Going native is a recognised occupational hazard for anthropologists.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,166

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    Possibly because there's a fair amount of doubt?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,643
    "TikTok: weapon of mass distraction
    China knows it is digital opium
    Gurwinder Bhogal"

    https://unherd.com/2025/01/tiktok-weapon-of-mass-distraction/

    Does anyone disagree with this?
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    Possibly because there's a fair amount of doubt?
    Also tits.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188
    On a lighter note, I see the Oscar nominations are out, with 13 for Emilia Perez.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5251597/2025-oscar-nominations-academy-awards

    Demi Moore should get best leading actress for The Substance.

    I think Zoe Saldana for best supporting actress, and EP might well get cinematography and adapted screenplay.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.

    They will never top their 2015 musical PPB involving 'lookalikes' of Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg
    OMG that’s glorious and I’ve never seen that before and I consider my life enriched for it.

    Thanks.
    Bit harsh (or nice) to Farage to suggest he was exactly the same as the others though.

    More parties should go this route though - so many ads are cheesy anyway, so go big.
    It's good and the the theme could be redone - though I don't think they got the lookalikes quite right.

    I don't remember Farage or Milliband being quite so thickset, or Farage ever coming across as under 55.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,872
    edited January 23
    Foss said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    But hanging really is too good for this creature. He doesn't deserve it to be over quickly. he deserves to rot in jail, with the occasional attempt by another lifer to off him. May he never know a day's peace.
    Mild hallucinogens and the victim testimonies played on repeat?

    More importantly, if there is a Runcorn election then discussion of the death penalty is now likely to feature and, given the local demographics, likely to aid Reform.
    Yes, I was just talking about the potential for a by election in Helsby earlier today to a colleague, Reform are going to be all over the seat like a rash.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    Possibly because there's a fair amount of doubt?
    Since when has that influenced sentencing?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,901

    I've just read a short biography of Saddam Hussein's life. And my goodness, he did not have a good childhood.

    His father and brother died whilst his mother was pregnant.
    His mother tried to abort him, and commit suicide, whilst pregnant. (She was saved by a Jewish family...)
    His mother abandoned him as a newborn.
    He went to live with an uncle, who wrote an article titled: ""Three Things that God Should not have Created: Persians, Jews and Flies" "
    Aged three, he goes back to live with his mother and her new husband.
    The new husband mistreats him.
    He goes back to live with his uncle.

    It doesn't excuse any of what he did, but I do wonder how he would have turned out with a more promising childhood.

    Sorry, but that artless last sentence did make me smile.

    (Suspect the answer is, more than likely.)
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    Andy_JS said:

    "TikTok: weapon of mass distraction
    China knows it is digital opium
    Gurwinder Bhogal"

    https://unherd.com/2025/01/tiktok-weapon-of-mass-distraction/

    Does anyone disagree with this?

    Yes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Greens party political broadcast.

    Student politics stuff and Hopium. Little of any substance.

    They will never top their 2015 musical PPB involving 'lookalikes' of Cameron, Clegg, Miliband, and Farage.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPgS7p40ERg
    OMG that’s glorious and I’ve never seen that before and I consider my life enriched for it.

    Thanks.
    Bit harsh (or nice) to Farage to suggest he was exactly the same as the others though.

    More parties should go this route though - so many ads are cheesy anyway, so go big.
    It's good and the the theme could be redone - though I don't think they got the lookalikes quite right.

    I don't remember Farage or Milliband being quite so thickset, or Farage ever coming across as under 55.
    I put it as 'lookalikes' for a reason. The Cameron one was probably closest.

    I'd call it the greatest PPB ever, though I cannot say it ever changed my mind.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 2,901
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Neither have I, in a General. In the locals I have fared somewhat better, but only because 70% of the winning candidates I have voted for have been me (and my running mates)
    In my 11 General elections, I have voted for the winning candidate 3 times (2 Labour, 1 Conservative). All 3 of these already held the seat. I have never voted in a seat where it has changed at a GE.

    I shall try to retire to a marginal so my vote matters.
    The ways things are going you could try house-hunting in Holborn and St Pancras.

    (And could find @Leon is your neighbour)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239
    Populist Faragist campaign for referendum on death penalty incoming?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,785
    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    WHO ATE MY CHOCOLATE?!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,506
    Carnyx said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Meanwhile CDC, NIH have gone dark on the H5N1... absolute madness to ban them from communicating externally. You couldn't make it up.

    Aren't some folk in the US positively encouraging people to drink H5N1-infected raw milk? Or did I imagine reading that a few weeks ago?
    Certainly raw milk. I don't know why you'd want it deliberately infected, but probably there are some out there who think it's a good idea.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,106
    Andy_JS said:

    "TikTok: weapon of mass distraction
    China knows it is digital opium
    Gurwinder Bhogal"

    https://unherd.com/2025/01/tiktok-weapon-of-mass-distraction/

    Does anyone disagree with this?

    I agree with Gurwinder on a lot of things, including this. One of the best right of centre commentators out there.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,373
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    That would require retroactive legislation, amongst other things.
    Even when we had the death penalty we didn't execute those whose crimes were below the age of 18.
    Yes we did John Dean was 8 or 9 when he was hung for setting light to a barn
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    rkrkrk said:

    Carnyx said:

    rkrkrk said:

    Meanwhile CDC, NIH have gone dark on the H5N1... absolute madness to ban them from communicating externally. You couldn't make it up.

    Aren't some folk in the US positively encouraging people to drink H5N1-infected raw milk? Or did I imagine reading that a few weeks ago?
    Certainly raw milk. I don't know why you'd want it deliberately infected, but probably there are some out there who think it's a good idea.
    Chemtrail fanatics?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,439
    edited January 23
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.

    He’s clearly never getting out, what’s the point of taking it further other than enriching the lawyers involved and clogging up the courts even more than they are already?
    It's for the AG or SG to appeal sentence to the Court of Appeal as too lenient if they are so minded. If they do it will be purely performative, like their appeal over the triple Nottingham murders - so it can happen. Less likely to happen under Labour though.

    The test is 'unduly lenient'. No chance.

    On a related matter, it is obvious that in ordinary terms the defendant is as mad as a box of frogs. The defence tactic of neither running diminished responsibility as a defence or even producing a shrink's report in mitigation is interesting. They must have looked into it, and something about what they saw made it unusable. Add this to the unsolved mystery of why Miss Letby didn't call her own expert evidence.
    I don't think it at all obvious that he is "mad as a box of frogs". There's no evidence of delusions, hallucinations or similar. He had a diagnosis of autism spectrum, but limited to a degree of interference in communication. He was a member of a drama group when younger, and even featured on Children in Need, so was fairly high functioning at that time. All the evidence we heard in the summary by the judge is that he knew exactly what he was planning to do, researched it thoroughly and equipped himself.

    Unless you have a circular definition by which every murderer is mad, there is no evidence of insanity. It seems he turned out very bad, despite a stable family background and unremarkable suburban life. He doesn't seem to have had any religious motive, and his parents were active Christians. The source of information seems to have been solely from the darker parts of the internet. His is an extreme version of the damage that the Internet can do to young minds motivated to explore the darkest areas of the Web.
    Thanks. all fair points, except one. I make no suggestion that all murderers are mad; but, in ordinary people's language, you have to be mad to want to do what he did and to act it out because no ordinary person can imagine the sane desire to do so or the sane person not refraining from doing so even if they formed the thought.

    Whatever the source that degree of 'damage to young minds' as you describe it, with that result, falls way outside the bounds of sense or sanity. Does it not?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,615
    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726
  • LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Haha !
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,217
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Neither have I, in a General. In the locals I have fared somewhat better, but only because 70% of the winning candidates I have voted for have been me (and my running mates)
    In my 11 General elections, I have voted for the winning candidate 3 times (2 Labour, 1 Conservative). All 3 of these already held the seat. I have never voted in a seat where it has changed at a GE.

    I shall try to retire to a marginal so my vote matters.
    My first GE was Feb 74. Until 2024 every constituency I have voted in has NOT changed hands and I have never voted for a winning candidate.

    I broke both those runs in Guildford last year.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239
    MattW said:

    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
    He may have been once.

    The first time I noticed him was a decade or more ago when he raised my eyebrows by categorising UKIP as "Far Right".

    How times change :smile: .
    For an academic he seems incredibly thick. Yet we know he is not. He has been told a thousand times that CPS told PM not to start going on about details of the case as it would wreck the trial and he just doesn't listen. He seems not to understand the judicial system of the country he claims to be so patriotic about.

    Hodges told him on TV earlier that Dan's newspapers own lawyers had told him the same thing.

    Still Goodwin shouted on about "vacuum" and "cover up"

    He has a massive agenda and any pretence that he just a jobbing academic asking questions is now very long gone.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    @Taz @kle4 It ran me into another Green Party PPB:

    "Grown Up Politics" - Five Year Olds do Politics. Theresa inspecting the papers of Teddy Bears for one :smile:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2dNEQiHUUo
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    edited January 23

    MattW said:

    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
    He may have been once.

    The first time I noticed him was a decade or more ago when he raised my eyebrows by categorising UKIP as "Far Right".

    How times change :smile: .
    For an academic he seems incredibly thick. Yet we know he is not. He has been told a thousand times that CPS told PM not to start going on about details of the case as it would wreck the trial and he just doesn't listen. He seems not to understand the judicial system of the country he claims to be so patriotic about.

    Hodges told him on TV earlier that Dan's newspapers own lawyers had told him the same thing.

    Still Goodwin shouted on about "vacuum" and "cover up"

    He has a massive agenda and any pretence that he just a jobbing academic asking questions is now very long gone.
    He got too fond of (online) acclaim and that led him to start to get lazy and believe it, story as old as time.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    The lecture on "Explaining my atrocity thru the medium of dance" is quite popular. Although the one where the mime pretends to blow up an invisible box with an invisible bomb has, for understandable reasons, been sidelined in recent years.
    What do you mean by 'the mime pretends'?
    The joke was that the mime pretending to blow up had been superseded by the mime actually blowing up, hence the sidelining of the lecture.
    How can miming pretend to blow up?
    I have just spent the last fifteen minutes looking on YouTube for a clip of the character Sloan Sabbith miming an explosion with her hands in the Noughties series "Newsroom", a series only I watched. CoPilot tells me it was in the episode "A Greater Fool" (S01E10?) but I cannot find it. Consequently you will have to be satisfied with this answer:

    @LuckyGuy1983: How can miming pretend to blow up?
    @viewcode: Silently.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    FBI agents raid immigration lawyer’s offices in Rhode Island:

    https://x.com/nbc10_brian/status/1882487417405686017
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    The lecture on "Explaining my atrocity thru the medium of dance" is quite popular. Although the one where the mime pretends to blow up an invisible box with an invisible bomb has, for understandable reasons, been sidelined in recent years.
    What do you mean by 'the mime pretends'?
    The joke was that the mime pretending to blow up had been superseded by the mime actually blowing up, hence the sidelining of the lecture.
    How can miming pretend to blow up?
    I have just spent the last fifteen minutes looking on YouTube for a clip of the character Sloan Sabbith miming an explosion with her hands in the Noughties series "Newsroom", a series only I watched. CoPilot tells me it was in the episode "A Greater Fool" (S01E10?) but I cannot find it. Consequently you will have to be satisfied with this answer:

    @LuckyGuy1983: How can miming pretend to blow up?
    @viewcode: Silently.
    FOUND IT!

    https://youtu.be/NwnUeIIqABo?si=cJeC2yVNmG3O0M9C&t=239
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,232

    I've just read a short biography of Saddam Hussein's life. And my goodness, he did not have a good childhood.

    His father and brother died whilst his mother was pregnant.
    His mother tried to abort him, and commit suicide, whilst pregnant. (She was saved by a Jewish family...)
    His mother abandoned him as a newborn.
    He went to live with an uncle, who wrote an article titled: ""Three Things that God Should not have Created: Persians, Jews and Flies" "
    Aged three, he goes back to live with his mother and her new husband.
    The new husband mistreats him.
    He goes back to live with his uncle.

    It doesn't excuse any of what he did, but I do wonder how he would have turned out with a more promising childhood.

    "I and the public knows/ what every schoolboy learns/ Those to whom evil is done/ do evil in return"
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,373

    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244

    If Rudakubana had been nine days older, we might have been spared this ludicrous sideshow of politicians grandstanding – and worse, legislating – about where he bought the knife.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445
    edited January 23
    This is real dialogue I just had with "CoPilot"
    • viewcode: In which episode of "The Newsroom" did Sloan Sabbith mime an explosion?
    • CoPilot: Sloan Sabbith mimed an explosion in the episode titled "The Greater Fool," which is the 10th episode and season finale of Season 1 of "The Newsroom"2. It's a memorable moment in the series! Have you watched the entire show, or are you just starting out?
    • viewcode: I have, or at least tried to. I like Aaron Sorkin's writing and value all the series that he wrote.
    • CoPilot: Aaron Sorkin's writing is indeed something special. His knack for sharp dialogue and intricate storytelling is truly remarkable. "The West Wing," "The Social Network," and "A Few Good Men" are just a few examples of his exceptional work. Do you have a favorite Sorkin series or film?
    • viewcode: It varies. I find something useful in all his series. As for his best I'd vary between "Sports Night" and "The West Wing", but I do like all of his TV series. I tend to prefer them to his films.
    • CoPilot: "Sports Night" and "The West Wing" are both fantastic choices. "Sports Night" has that unique blend of humor and drama, and it's fascinating to see the behind-the-scenes of a sports news show. "The West Wing," on the other hand, is just a masterclass in political drama with its sharp dialogue and compelling characters. It's great that you find value in all his series. Sorkin's ability to create engaging and thought-provoking content is truly remarkable. Do you have a favorite character from any of his shows?
    • viewcode: That will be possibly difficult, but I do have to go back to work now. Thank you for listening.
    • CoPilot: I understand. It was great chatting with you about Aaron Sorkin's work. If you ever want to dive back into the world of witty dialogue and compelling characters, I'll be here. Have a productive time at work!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    edited January 23
    I see we have our first Chump Executive Order suspended by a Court Injunction.

    This is the "Birthright Citizenship" one, suspended by a Court in Seattle, which has issued a nationwide temporary order.

    I hope @viewcode has a spreadsheet, so he can keep count.

    A US judge has temporarily blocked Trump's order to change birthright citizenship, which is enshrined in the Constitution

    The judge says the order, which was slated to take effect on 19 January, was "blatantly unconstitutional"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt

    This one is low hanging fruit.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,373
    Foxy said:

    On a lighter note, I see the Oscar nominations are out, with 13 for Emilia Perez.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/nx-s1-5251597/2025-oscar-nominations-academy-awards

    Demi Moore should get best leading actress for The Substance.

    I think Zoe Saldana for best supporting actress, and EP might well get cinematography and adapted screenplay.

    I see The Apprentice has two nominations: best supporting actor and best actor, the latter for Sebastian Stan as the American equivalent of Alan Sugar, Donald Trump.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,960
    On topic, Kruschev maybe a decent analogy as although you can move on from your terrible predecessor it's not going to end well for you if you either pursue the same failed ideas incompetently.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,643

    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244

    If Rudakubana had been nine days older, we might have been spared this ludicrous sideshow of politicians grandstanding – and worse, legislating – about where he bought the knife.
    Is it just a coincidence that he committed the crime 9 days before? I bet he was aware of the difference it would make.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,252
    Andy_JS said:

    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244

    If Rudakubana had been nine days older, we might have been spared this ludicrous sideshow of politicians grandstanding – and worse, legislating – about where he bought the knife.
    Is it just a coincidence that he committed the crime 9 days before? I bet he was aware of the difference it would make.
    What difference? Either way he’ll be in prison for the rest of his life.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    Yes, because his original plan was to murder Jeremy Corbyn and Sir Sadiq Khan.
    My word, was it?

    When did he change it to gently easing them aside so he could take the Labour leadership?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,373
    MattW said:

    I see we have our first Chump Executive Order suspended by a Court Injunction.

    This is the "Birthright Citizenship" one, suspended by a Court in Seattle, which has issued a nationwide temporary order.

    I hope @viewcode has a spreadsheet, so he can keep count.

    A US judge has temporarily blocked Trump's order to change birthright citizenship, which is enshrined in the Constitution

    The judge says the order, which was slated to take effect on 19 January, was "blatantly unconstitutional"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt

    This one is low hanging fruit.

    If it is from Project 2025 (who Trump tried to distance himself from, but that was before the election) as most of the executive orders seem to be, then the chances are they have researched it well enough to have found some way of squinting hard enough at the constitution until a loophole appears, even if supported by only one legal scholar in the entire continental United States.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 125,652

    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    The poshest voters generally voted Tory in 1997 and through to 2017, LD in 2019 and Tory or LD in 2024, much like you
    Can you please reference your thesis.
    As the Tories did best with ABs and the highest earners until Brexit, when the LDs became the party which did best with that group (though Rishi did best with ABs again in 2024 as so many C2s who had voted for Boris went Reform)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,373
    Andy_JS said:

    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244

    If Rudakubana had been nine days older, we might have been spared this ludicrous sideshow of politicians grandstanding – and worse, legislating – about where he bought the knife.
    Is it just a coincidence that he committed the crime 9 days before? I bet he was aware of the difference it would make.
    It makes no difference. Either way, he will get a life sentence, be attacked and grievously injured in prison, and in a year or so the authorities will admit he is nutty as a fruitcake and pack him off to Broadmoor (or more likely Ashworth which is in his neck of the woods) and from where he is even less likely ever to be released.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    There was a former Colonel ( Phil, can't remember his surname from Northern Ireland) on Vanessa Feltz. It is the first time I have heard the term Neville Starmer-Reeves. He was saying Starmer is a clear and present danger to the defence of the UK because he doesn't understand the threat from Russia. Vanessa, who is a good Tory suggested it was worse under a Labour Prime Minister than under the Tories. He said no, except for Boris. He said Boris understood the jeopardy to the UK from Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

    Perhaps we need Johnson back in No10 now, Churchill style, if this guy is right.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445
    Good read, thank you.

    Politicians today grew up in an era where all the British wars were far away and won thru intelligence, improvisation and guts. They can't get their heads around the fact that mass and quantity are also necessary and that wars may be on home soil or near to it. So it was an easy trick to avowedly praise the soldiers whilst continually cutting numbers. To fix this will take a lot of investment over years and possibly blowing up the MoD (makes Sloan Sabbith gesture), which in turn requires a PM with the dedication to do it over several years. Who in the current scene will do that? Even the Trump idolators are focussed on refugee interception instead of getting tanks to, say, Lithuania
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624

    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    What?! Waves of more than 14m in Sheffield? :smile:
    Yes, the River Don can get quite dicey in bad weather, it nearly took out Meadowhall in 2007.
    Unquiet flows the Don?

    (I've been meditating a thread header with that title.)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    MattW said:

    I see we have our first Chump Executive Order suspended by a Court Injunction.

    This is the "Birthright Citizenship" one, suspended by a Court in Seattle, which has issued a nationwide temporary order.

    I hope @viewcode has a spreadsheet, so he can keep count.

    A US judge has temporarily blocked Trump's order to change birthright citizenship, which is enshrined in the Constitution

    The judge says the order, which was slated to take effect on 19 January, was "blatantly unconstitutional"


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn0y51z7wedt

    This one is low hanging fruit.

    If it is from Project 2025 (who Trump tried to distance himself from, but that was before the election) as most of the executive orders seem to be, then the chances are they have researched it well enough to have found some way of squinting hard enough at the constitution until a loophole appears, even if supported by only one legal scholar in the entire continental United States.
    Thomas and Alito makes two!
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237

    There was a former Colonel ( Phil, can't remember his surname from Northern Ireland) on Vanessa Feltz. It is the first time I have heard the term Neville Starmer-Reeves. He was saying Starmer is a clear and present danger to the defence of the UK because he doesn't understand the threat from Russia. Vanessa, who is a good Tory suggested it was worse under a Labour Prime Minister than under the Tories. He said no, except for Boris. He said Boris understood the jeopardy to the UK from Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

    Perhaps we need Johnson back in No10 now, Churchill style, if this guy is right.
    He seems to be reasonably close to Trump's inner circle. For the moment we might be better off with him whispering there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
    Doesn't that depend on the manner of execution?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    Well, at least you admit it's Nazi symbolism. That's progress.
    It is if you add the word “heil”.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    Kemi is of course correct

    Truss should stay quiet and not distract form the absolute bag of shite this government is.

    Have you commented on gilt yields this week? A bit of a reversal in fortune from your "Reeves is worse than Truss" narrative last week.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    • If Musk isn't making a Nazi salute then they are not projecting Nazi symbolism.
    • If Musk is making a Nazi salute then they are projecting Nazi symbolism.
    Which is it?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    viewcode said:

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    • If Musk isn't making a Nazi salute then they are not projecting Nazi symbolism.
    • If Musk is making a Nazi salute then they are projecting Nazi symbolism.
    Which is it?
    See my previous comment.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,701
    Foss said:

    There was a former Colonel ( Phil, can't remember his surname from Northern Ireland) on Vanessa Feltz. It is the first time I have heard the term Neville Starmer-Reeves. He was saying Starmer is a clear and present danger to the defence of the UK because he doesn't understand the threat from Russia. Vanessa, who is a good Tory suggested it was worse under a Labour Prime Minister than under the Tories. He said no, except for Boris. He said Boris understood the jeopardy to the UK from Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

    Perhaps we need Johnson back in No10 now, Churchill style, if this guy is right.
    He seems to be reasonably close to Trump's inner circle. For the moment we might be better off with him whispering there.
    It's quite crowded round his inner circle.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You're looking for rationality in the mind of Donald Trump?
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 144
    rcs1000 said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
    I say do all lifers. The government are looking for cuts and the prisons are full. Good for the environment too. Easy win.
    Doesn't that depend on the manner of execution?
    All executions will be fully compliant with net zero legislation. I for one would welcome government purchase of the all new Tesla Electric chair with built in power bank for windless days.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,615

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    Well, at least you admit it's Nazi symbolism. That's progress.
    It is if you add the word “heil”.
    Especially if you do a Nazi salute...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 97,493
    edited January 23
    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You're looking for rationality in the mind of Donald Trump?
    Bullshit and bluster has worked for him his entire life, why wouldn't he think any idea he has will turn out as he wants?

    Apparently it works.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239

    ‪Kurt Andersen‬ ‪@kurtandersen.bsky.social‬
    ·
    7m
    Federal Judge John Coughenour, appointed by Ronald Reagan: "This is a blatantly unconstitutional order. Frankly, I have difficulty understanding how a member of the bar would state unequivocally that this is a constitutional order. It just boggles my mind."
  • glwglw Posts: 10,169
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    Just a minor flaw in Trump's plan there.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,539
    edited January 23
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    Flood the market for 6 months and crash oil prices down to $50? That would crush Putin entirely, I don't think they'd be able to pay salaries after a few weeks.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.

    He’s clearly never getting out, what’s the point of taking it further other than enriching the lawyers involved and clogging up the courts even more than they are already?
    It's for the AG or SG to appeal sentence to the Court of Appeal as too lenient if they are so minded. If they do it will be purely performative, like their appeal over the triple Nottingham murders - so it can happen. Less likely to happen under Labour though.

    The test is 'unduly lenient'. No chance.

    On a related matter, it is obvious that in ordinary terms the defendant is as mad as a box of frogs. The defence tactic of neither running diminished responsibility as a defence or even producing a shrink's report in mitigation is interesting. They must have looked into it, and something about what they saw made it unusable. Add this to the unsolved mystery of why Miss Letby didn't call her own expert evidence.
    I don't think it at all obvious that he is "mad as a box of frogs". There's no evidence of delusions, hallucinations or similar. He had a diagnosis of autism spectrum, but limited to a degree of interference in communication. He was a member of a drama group when younger, and even featured on Children in Need, so was fairly high functioning at that time. All the evidence we heard in the summary by the judge is that he knew exactly what he was planning to do, researched it thoroughly and equipped himself.

    Unless you have a circular definition by which every murderer is mad, there is no evidence of insanity. It seems he turned out very bad, despite a stable family background and unremarkable suburban life. He doesn't seem to have had any religious motive, and his parents were active Christians. The source of information seems to have been solely from the darker parts of the internet. His is an extreme version of the damage that the Internet can do to young minds motivated to explore the darkest areas of the Web.
    Thanks. all fair points, except one. I make no suggestion that all murderers are mad; but, in ordinary people's language, you have to be mad to want to do what he did and to act it out because no ordinary person can imagine the sane desire to do so or the sane person not refraining from doing so even if they formed the thought.

    Whatever the source that degree of 'damage to young minds' as you describe it, with that result, falls way outside the bounds of sense or sanity. Does it not?
    No, there is no evidence so far of insanity in either the legal or medical sense.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,239
    Sen. Lisa Murkowski
    @lisamurkowski
    Since Mr. Hegseth’s nomination last November, I have met with him and carefully reviewed his writings, various reports, and other pertinent materials. I closely followed his hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee and gathered substantial feedback from organizations, veterans, and Alaskans. After thorough evaluation, I must conclude that I cannot in good conscience support his nomination for Secretary of Defense.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
    What does that have to do with the price of fish?
  • LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    Well, at least you admit it's Nazi symbolism. That's progress.
    It is if you add the word “heil”.
    Well, it seems as if his own name is essentially a type of Nazi symbol, if his father got it from his favourite book by Von Braun.

    Heil Elon Spode.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745
    This is powerful: https://youtu.be/X0OWDMv57cQ Legal Eagle on the Jan 6 pardons.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
    What does that have to do with the price of fish?
    I thought we were discussing the price of oil?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624

    LOL.

    Activists project Musk at Tesla's Berlin plant…

    https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1882359575330107726

    Projecting Nazi symbolism in Berlin is a laugh, is it?
    Well, at least you admit it's Nazi symbolism. That's progress.
    It is if you add the word “heil”.
    Well, it seems as if his own name is essentially a type of Nazi symbol, if his father got it from his favourite book by Von Braun.

    Heil Elon Spode.
    He's made a Rod for his own back.
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,057
    viewcode said:

    This is real dialogue I just had with "CoPilot"


    • viewcode: In which episode of "The Newsroom" did Sloan Sabbith mime an explosion?
    • CoPilot: Sloan Sabbith mimed an explosion in the episode titled "The Greater Fool," which is the 10th episode and season finale of Season 1 of "The Newsroom"2. It's a memorable moment in the series! Have you watched the entire show, or are you just starting out?
    • viewcode: I have, or at least tried to. I like Aaron Sorkin's writing and value all the series that he wrote.
    • CoPilot: Aaron Sorkin's writing is indeed something special. His knack for sharp dialogue and intricate storytelling is truly remarkable. "The West Wing," "The Social Network," and "A Few Good Men" are just a few examples of his exceptional work. Do you have a favorite Sorkin series or film?
    • viewcode: It varies. I find something useful in all his series. As for his best I'd vary between "Sports Night" and "The West Wing", but I do like all of his TV series. I tend to prefer them to his films.
    • CoPilot: "Sports Night" and "The West Wing" are both fantastic choices. "Sports Night" has that unique blend of humor and drama, and it's fascinating to see the behind-the-scenes of a sports news show. "The West Wing," on the other hand, is just a masterclass in political drama with its sharp dialogue and compelling characters. It's great that you find value in all his series. Sorkin's ability to create engaging and thought-provoking content is truly remarkable. Do you have a favorite character from any of his shows?
    • viewcode: That will be possibly difficult, but I do have to go back to work now. Thank you for listening.
    • CoPilot: I understand. It was great chatting with you about Aaron Sorkin's work. If you ever want to dive back into the world of witty dialogue and compelling characters, I'll be here. Have a productive time at work!
    I’m amazed at how quickly I’ve become dependant on co-pilot for work. Reports, thematic analysis, sense checking ideas…honestly astounds me
  • ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
    What does that have to do with the price of fish?
    I thought we were discussing the price of oil?
    Arctic and European Fish Oil Company says hello.

    Wonder how many get that dystopian reference.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,345
    edited January 23
    Good evening everyone.

    In tomorrow’s episode of Not Going Out, all our trains are cancelled, all our ferries are cancelled, all our buses are cancelled, and the clincher, the pub’s not opening.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 72,624

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
    What does that have to do with the price of fish?
    I thought we were discussing the price of oil?
    Arctic and European Fish Oil Company says hello.

    Wonder how many get that dystopian reference.
    References will be sent in in triffidcut.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,345

    ydoethur said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump says he will cooperate with the Saudis to punish Russia by bringing down the oil price.

    https://x.com/mylovanov/status/1882497033589719165

    I am intrigued by how is going to lower the oil price by working with Saudis, and simultaneously encourage more drilling in the US.
    You just do it. It's a good example of how a proper trade policy allows more flexibility.
    I'm struggling to understand what encouraging Saudi Arabia to pump more oil has to do with an independent trade policy, but I guess that just shows you're working on a different plane to the rest of us.
    If Trump doesn't want the domestic price of oil in the US to fall for whatever reason, he can use tariffs. This remedy wouldn't help Putin because he depends on selling his oil abroad.
    You do know that not oil is the same right? You can't just chuck oil from Midland, Texas in a refinery in Galveston and get petrol out, right?
    What does that have to do with the price of fish?
    I thought we were discussing the price of oil?
    Arctic and European Fish Oil Company says hello.

    Wonder how many get that dystopian reference.
    Whale Oil Beef Hooked.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,628

    Good evening everyone.

    In tomorrow’s episode of Not Going Out, all our trains are cancelled, all our ferries are cancelled, all our buses are cancelled, and the clincher, the pub’s not opening.

    I was out tonight then suddenly everyone's phone started sirening.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    ...

    Good evening everyone.

    In tomorrow’s episode of Not Going Out, all our trains are cancelled, all our ferries are cancelled, all our buses are cancelled, and the clincher, the pub’s not opening.

    Six months into a Labour Government and the nation grinds to a halt. You never had this under the Tories, everyday was a party day.
  • I apologise to you now if the morning thread gives you nightmares.
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