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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244
  • We don’t know the full facts of what happened in Southport. An inquiry is going to look into the matter. Is much good achieved by people here playing armchair detective trying to work out Rudakubana’s motives? It seems rather macabre to play these guessing games.

    Today is a day to reflect on the utter devastation of all the parents and families involved in this unspeakable crime

    Anything else can be left for another day
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,166
    Sandpit said:

    tlg86 said:

    Min 52 years. Judge doing as much as he can, I think.

    My guess was 60 years. He’ll be eligible for parole aged 70 (and is unlikely to get it).
    I will be very surprised if he reaches 70.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488
    Sandpit said:

    Post from an American journalist in Kharkiv, Ukraine.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1882396396512501930.html

    If I’d never been to Ukraine, I’d probably oppose it.

    From afar, to those quite tired of Washington's games, Ukraine might look like another endless U.S. war—pushed by media spin, the defense industry, and Hunter Biden’s Burisma connections. Even Hollywood seemed in on it until they got bored.

    And I’d think the 2014 Maidan Revolution was staged by some State Department lady handing out cookies.

    But up close? The truth isn’t what you’d expect. 1/10

    Sadly, I know many people in the US who are absolutely demented on this subject.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 58,488

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    Yes, because his original plan was to murder Jeremy Corbyn and Sir Sadiq Khan.
    Starmer was going to murder Jeremty Corbyn???
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    I’d like to live in a world where we spent less time collectively arguing over whether to label particular incidents as terrorism or not terrorism, and spent more time stopping people being killed any which way.
    Sadly, common sense measures to guard against things like this are often opposed by people who have ideological motivations.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    The judge said he would have imposed a ‘whole life’ order had Rudakubana been nine days older - an adult - when he committed the murders.

    https://x.com/dannyshawnews/status/1882465034875658244

    Because of course he would. Any decent society tends to lock up people forever who kill children in cold blood.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,491

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Couldn't even last as long as a Moscow troll.
    Surely talking about the weather is better than a British passport?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920
    rcs1000 said:

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    Yes, because his original plan was to murder Jeremy Corbyn and Sir Sadiq Khan.
    Starmer was going to murder Jeremty Corbyn???
    Many in Labour felt that way after Salisbury.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 12,745

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    I’d like to live in a world where we spent less time collectively arguing over whether to label particular incidents as terrorism or not terrorism, and spent more time stopping people being killed any which way.
    Sadly, common sense measures to guard against things like this are often opposed by people who have ideological motivations.
    So, you’re familiar with Second Amendment nutters in the US!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,252
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    Welcome.
    We do cricket as well as weather.
    Unforecast strong gales from the East?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404
    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    Sheffield??

    Pause

    With those shoes????

    (runs away and hides under table)
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    We had a Red Wind Warning in the London area for Storm Eunice in 2022. Nothing much happened.
    Yeah, but they have amber warnings for you lot for half an inch of snow. In the old days before the net they panicked whenver a snowflake hit the roof of the weather centre.

    Mind, the buggers didn't forecast 1987 - I went to London for the evening (wedding reception). Didn't get out of the place till about 3 am ...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    Matt Goodwin smells a cover-up:

    https://x.com/TalkTV/status/1882415161400811905
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Post from an American journalist in Kharkiv, Ukraine.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1882396396512501930.html

    If I’d never been to Ukraine, I’d probably oppose it.

    From afar, to those quite tired of Washington's games, Ukraine might look like another endless U.S. war—pushed by media spin, the defense industry, and Hunter Biden’s Burisma connections. Even Hollywood seemed in on it until they got bored.

    And I’d think the 2014 Maidan Revolution was staged by some State Department lady handing out cookies.

    But up close? The truth isn’t what you’d expect. 1/10

    Sadly, I know many people in the US who are absolutely demented on this subject.
    I have half a header written on the subject, but I think the bottom line is that in the US, “Ukraine” has become a proxy for a lack of focus from government on domestic issues and disasters, something that’s been exacerbated by exaggerated announced dollar amounts in foreign aid which is actually spent domestically, with the ‘aid’ being the old system that was replaced by the new one.

    It’s a failure of politics and media in the US to have not called this all out years ago.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    Sheffield??

    Pause

    With those shoes????

    (runs away and hides under table)
    No use hiding when he has those shoes you know. But they're only nippy and golden if you follow the manufacturers on-line instructions. These are pretty clear (when the ancient chinese script is deciphered) which says try not to use them on Tuesday in the early afternoon, and avoid use at all other times. Springly and swift and goldy have approved this message.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,539
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Did he insult Radiohead?!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,615
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Post from an American journalist in Kharkiv, Ukraine.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1882396396512501930.html

    If I’d never been to Ukraine, I’d probably oppose it.

    From afar, to those quite tired of Washington's games, Ukraine might look like another endless U.S. war—pushed by media spin, the defense industry, and Hunter Biden’s Burisma connections. Even Hollywood seemed in on it until they got bored.

    And I’d think the 2014 Maidan Revolution was staged by some State Department lady handing out cookies.

    But up close? The truth isn’t what you’d expect. 1/10

    Sadly, I know many people in the US who are absolutely demented on this subject.
    I have half a header written on the subject, but I think the bottom line is that in the US, “Ukraine” has become a proxy for a lack of focus from government on domestic issues and disasters, something that’s been exacerbated by exaggerated announced dollar amounts in foreign aid which is actually spent domestically, with the ‘aid’ being the old system that was replaced by the new one.

    It’s a failure of politics and media in the US to have not called this all out years ago.
    I fear you miss out Russian interference and payments. Johnson, Pool, etc.

    The new media is having much more of an effect in this respect than 'old' media.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 25,233
    edited January 23
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    Sheffield??

    Pause

    With those shoes????

    (runs away and hides under table)
    If you go and speak to locals, they will tell you that it is NOT Sheffield, has NEVER been Sheffield, and NEVER WILL BE Sheffield, until hell freezes over.

    I suppose @TSE could click his heels together 3 times, and he'd appear atop Liberace's Piano.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    MattW said:
    You could have stopped at word three!
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,049
    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    MaxPB said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Did he insult Radiohead?!
    An odd contradiction in terms.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    Yeah, you don’t want to be on a boat or a plane tonight.

    Best of luck to those who don’t have that choice.
  • Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Under a cloud?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    The poshest voters generally voted Tory in 1997 and through to 2017, LD in 2019 and Tory or LD in 2024, much like you
    Can you please reference your thesis.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,958

    Taz said:

    Regretfully I clicked on a Tweet about the Southport sentencing hearing and I am disgusted to see people posting, some with blue ticks, saying it was a hoax using crisis actors.

    What a fucking cesspit.

    God almighty. That is just awful. I know they may fall foul of the law but think of the families and people reading this. Idiots.
    It's like Sandy Hook has been imported over here.

    I wonder what social media would have made of the Dunblane massacre?
    It’s worth remembering the payouts won against another shit mhead
    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    First the mimes, then the Living Statute, then....

    "...we were knee-deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers."
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    Yes, but trips to the postbox to collect your correspondent degrees weren't of the duration of things like bus journeys.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 18,049

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    It's possible I did. I remember walking to school through Roberts Park in Saltaire during the 1991 Storm just as it blew an entire tree down, a few metres from some other kids. The odd thing was that it made no noise I could hear.

    But still pretty hairy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,958

    tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    I’d like to live in a world where we spent less time collectively arguing over whether to label particular incidents as terrorism or not terrorism, and spent more time stopping people being killed any which way.
    “What about this wheel thingy? It sounds a terribly interesting project.”
    “Ah,” said the marketing girl, “well, we’re having a little difficulty there.”
    “Difficulty?” exclaimed Ford. “Difficulty? What do you mean, difficulty? It’s the single simplest machine in the entire Universe!”
    The marketing girl soured him with a look “All right, Mr. Smartypants,” she said, “you’re so clever, you tell us what colour it should be.”
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,915

    Taz said:

    Regretfully I clicked on a Tweet about the Southport sentencing hearing and I am disgusted to see people posting, some with blue ticks, saying it was a hoax using crisis actors.

    What a fucking cesspit.

    God almighty. That is just awful. I know they may fall foul of the law but think of the families and people reading this. Idiots.
    It's like Sandy Hook has been imported over here.

    I wonder what social media would have made of the Dunblane massacre?
    It’s worth remembering the payouts won against another shit mhead
    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    First the mimes, then the Living Statute, then....

    "...we were knee-deep in dog muck, thieving kids and crusty jugglers."
    "For the Greater Good!"
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,340
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Really?

    He got 23 likes for two posts, which must be a record ratio on here surely?

    Is this site now cutting down the tallest poppies?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,474

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    What?! Waves of more than 14m in Sheffield? :smile:
  • TazTaz Posts: 16,612

    Taz said:

    Liz Truss has neither the self-awareness nor the emotional intelligence to do this, and, for her own self-esteem, needs to feel she was the victim of a conspiracy to live with herself.

    So, the Tories need to continue to price in outbursts and interventions from her. What they can do is distance themselves from her.

    She's an Alan Partridgesque figure still desperately trying to remain relevant when things have moved on. Not a bad person but someone whose time has come and gone. That's Alan.
    Alan Partridge didn’t crash the economy.
    No, but he shot a man through the heart on a live chat show.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,835
    edited January 23
    It feels like Kemi, in common with Sunak, is thrashing about looking for excuses for her deeply underwhelming leadership.

    Perhaps if Tories like Sunak and Kemi were a little less interested in blue on blue attacks and a little more interested in doing their jobs properly, Truss would not feel the need to defend her record so pugnaciously.

    Tories used to be in favour of low taxes, economic freedom, and standing up for British businesses. They also used to be economically literate. It is possible to acknowledge that Truss and Kwarteng got the politics and presentation of the minibudget badly wrong, whilst also defending their overall intentions, and resisting the urge to buy into Labour attack lines on the Truss era that stand up to zero scrutiny. I'm not sure how the party expects to win elections by being a nest of backbiters that goes right up to the current leadership.

    Kemi's major news-grabbing moments as leader so far have been picking a disastrous fight with Reform, and now slating a former Tory leader. By contrast, she and her craptacular shadow cabinet have been utterly useless in attacking the shittest Government ever.

    She is shaping up to be a massive dud, as the pillocks who voted for her have acknowledged in their more lucid moments. This attack is disappointing but hardly surprising.
  • Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The outbuildings of my previous house were wrecked by Storm Arwen in 2021. 103mph is no joke. Miraculously the roof stayed on, unlike some of the neighbours. Power and water were out for nearly a week.

    Red weather warnings are not to be taken lightly. My friends in the central Belt are taking advice about battening down the hatches. Lots of their employers have told them not to come in (a couple are teachers but schools are closed).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,915
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Why? What's he done now?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 29,999

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    But because you are a hardy Northerner you own a big coat. Do the Scots own big coats?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,474

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Nor me!
    I have an unbeaten streak in referenda, mind.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,252
    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Really?

    He got 23 likes for two posts, which must be a record ratio on here surely?

    Is this site now cutting down the tallest poppies?
    No, it was a joke. You can tell because they themself replied to that post.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404
    Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    What?! Waves of more than 14m in Sheffield? :smile:
    Well, obvs. In the canal basin and the model boating pond.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    Cyclefree said:

    All,

    Have been busy working so have only just caught up with comments on my header, for which thanks. An interesting discussion.

    This comment by @viewcode has got my meaning entirely wrong.



    I meant that were I to end the life of a loved one I would expect to be investigated because my actions in crossing the taboo against the deliberate taking of human life does not just affect me but society as a whole. I was not saying that another person is a possession whom I can control. It is about taking responsibility for my actions because what we do has an effect on others. We punish murderers, for instance, not just to teach them and bring justice for the victims but also as a message to others. By the same token, if I end the life of another I should and would expect that to be looked at.

    As for @JosiasJessop, I gave you a thoughtful considered answer. And you should frankly have the decency to treat it as such not shoehorn it into something which fits your preconceived view about me. (You seem I have to say to dislike me for some reason, but there we are. I thought your reasonable question deserved an answer and your dismissive and rude response a disappointment.) I can see a theoretical basis for a law which could be acceptable. I don't think any such law exists anywhere. Nor has this or the previous discussion persuaded me that this Bill is it. Having considered it carefully, I think its dangers far outweigh its advantages, not least because of the underlying assumptions that humans are only valuable if they economically produce and are not a burden and cost too much. That is a chilling way to view human beings. In Canada, a man has obtained AD because he could not get a ramp he needed in his house for 18 months. That is a society with values which are profoundly and wrongly skewed IMO.

    As for @BartholomewRoberts, don't accuse me of snark: I was showing you that the end point of your frequently stated position - no safeguards and no controls and no involvement by others - means giving everyone - without any restrictions - the means to kill themselves quickly and efficiently. If you don't like what that looks like, ask yourself why.

    As for transparency, we ought to know more about the relationship between Leadbetter and the lobby group "Dignity in Dying" and, indeed, about the latter, its intentions, its people & its funding, as well as see the instructions to counsel re the Bill's drafting.

    Finally, Barbara Rich is not a witness. Next week there will have to be another motion to allow the AD Committee to hear the evidence of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. That would be the right time to arrange for evidence from disability groups. There is no good reason why they are not being heard, especially by MPs who are always going on about the "vulnerable", the "marginalised" and "fairness". Otherwise some might conclude that these are mere empty words.

    And now I am off as have other stuff to do.

    Stay well. See you some time.

    I've read some of your posts - far from all, I've read some of the response - far from all.

    Do you think that Leadbeater's bill will lead to anyone that doesn't want to die dieing? Do you think that her bill will lead to people that do want to die dieing.

    I think no, and yes. It's wildly imperfect but there it is.

    The conceptual breakthrough is worth more than the worry.
  • Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.
  • Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 44,615
    Cyclefree said:

    All,

    Have been busy working so have only just caught up with comments on my header, for which thanks. An interesting discussion.

    This comment by @viewcode has got my meaning entirely wrong.



    I meant that were I to end the life of a loved one I would expect to be investigated because my actions in crossing the taboo against the deliberate taking of human life does not just affect me but society as a whole. I was not saying that another person is a possession whom I can control. It is about taking responsibility for my actions because what we do has an effect on others. We punish murderers, for instance, not just to teach them and bring justice for the victims but also as a message to others. By the same token, if I end the life of another I should and would expect that to be looked at.

    As for @JosiasJessop, I gave you a thoughtful considered answer. And you should frankly have the decency to treat it as such not shoehorn it into something which fits your preconceived view about me. (You seem I have to say to dislike me for some reason, but there we are. I thought your reasonable question deserved an answer and your dismissive and rude response a disappointment.) I can see a theoretical basis for a law which could be acceptable. I don't think any such law exists anywhere. Nor has this or the previous discussion persuaded me that this Bill is it. Having considered it carefully, I think its dangers far outweigh its advantages, not least because of the underlying assumptions that humans are only valuable if they economically produce and are not a burden and cost too much. That is a chilling way to view human beings. In Canada, a man has obtained AD because he could not get a ramp he needed in his house for 18 months. That is a society with values which are profoundly and wrongly skewed IMO.

    As for @BartholomewRoberts, don't accuse me of snark: I was showing you that the end point of your frequently stated position - no safeguards and no controls and no involvement by others - means giving everyone - without any restrictions - the means to kill themselves quickly and efficiently. If you don't like what that looks like, ask yourself why.

    As for transparency, we ought to know more about the relationship between Leadbetter and the lobby group "Dignity in Dying" and, indeed, about the latter, its intentions, its people & its funding, as well as see the instructions to counsel re the Bill's drafting.

    Finally, Barbara Rich is not a witness. Next week there will have to be another motion to allow the AD Committee to hear the evidence of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. That would be the right time to arrange for evidence from disability groups. There is no good reason why they are not being heard, especially by MPs who are always going on about the "vulnerable", the "marginalised" and "fairness". Otherwise some might conclude that these are mere empty words.

    And now I am off as have other stuff to do.

    Stay well. See you some time.

    I asked a simple question; you gave a convoluted, wordy and (in my view) evasive answer. And from the above, I can see your answer is a firm "no", despite the talk of "theoretical"...

    As for disliking you: no, I do not. Despite you evidently disliking people I have known and respected. Even on that topic, we are perhaps closer together than it seems.

    I've wanted to send you a PM in the past to talk about something you said, that might have cleared the air a little (or not...), but your profile was private. A shame.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,252
    edited January 23
    Duplicate.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The outbuildings of my previous house were wrecked by Storm Arwen in 2021. 103mph is no joke. Miraculously the roof stayed on, unlike some of the neighbours. Power and water were out for nearly a week.

    Red weather warnings are not to be taken lightly. My friends in the central Belt are taking advice about battening down the hatches. Lots of their employers have told them not to come in (a couple are teachers but schools are closed).
    People woukld complain if they didn't get red warnings - indeed, some have been caught out by it being relatively late so hard to plan. As I mentioned earlier I took a train to London on the evening of the Great Storm of 1987, so I sympathise!
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    But because you are a hardy Northerner you own a big coat. Do the Scots own big coats?
    The Geordies don't but I do.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 43,920
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Liz Truss has neither the self-awareness nor the emotional intelligence to do this, and, for her own self-esteem, needs to feel she was the victim of a conspiracy to live with herself.

    So, the Tories need to continue to price in outbursts and interventions from her. What they can do is distance themselves from her.

    She's an Alan Partridgesque figure still desperately trying to remain relevant when things have moved on. Not a bad person but someone whose time has come and gone. That's Alan.
    Alan Partridge didn’t crash the economy.
    No, but he shot a man through the heart on a live chat show.
    It was an accident.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188
    tlg86 said:

    Min 52 years. Judge doing as much as he can, I think.

    And then at the discretion of the parole board, so very likely die in prison.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.

    He’s clearly never getting out, what’s the point of taking it further other than enriching the lawyers involved and clogging up the courts even more than they are already?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404
    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237
    Carnyx said:

    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)

    I think it's doable on a tower by tower basis.
  • Cookie said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Yes, I think I saw that - discussing comparisons with the Braer storm.

    The peak is also noon to teatime-ish in Edinburgh etc so I wouldn't want to be working there and have to get a bus home. I certainly don't recall such bad forecasts where I live, either.
    The current shipping forecast is quite something:

    https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/specialist-forecasts/coast-and-sea/shipping-forecast

    Hurricane force 12 forecast in three areas (Malin, Rockall, Shannon), and phenomenal seas in two (Shannon and Rockall).

    'Phenomenal' means waves of more than 14m.
    I went to school in worse weather than that.
    What?! Waves of more than 14m in Sheffield? :smile:
    Yes, the River Don can get quite dicey in bad weather, it nearly took out Meadowhall in 2007.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
    Carnyx said:

    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)

    Yes it’s location-based, from the phone towers. Tourists will get the alert too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,915
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Liz Truss has neither the self-awareness nor the emotional intelligence to do this, and, for her own self-esteem, needs to feel she was the victim of a conspiracy to live with herself.

    So, the Tories need to continue to price in outbursts and interventions from her. What they can do is distance themselves from her.

    She's an Alan Partridgesque figure still desperately trying to remain relevant when things have moved on. Not a bad person but someone whose time has come and gone. That's Alan.
    Alan Partridge didn’t crash the economy.
    No, but he shot a man through the heart on a live chat show.
    It was an accident.
    "People have accidents all the time!"
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,166
    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Nor me!
    I have an unbeaten streak in referenda, mind.
    Lady election was the first time I voted for the winner, and that was tactical.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,397
    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)

    Yes it’s location-based, from the phone towers. Tourists will get the alert too.
    I got a weather warning in Germany the other year. To tell the truth I had noticed it was quite hot and wished I had booked a room with aircon (which I don't usually bother with in Northern Europe)
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,491

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    I've previously suggested that the Met Office website could be turned into a betting exchange with just a little tweaking. Tomorrow's offer in Warwickshire is 52mph. If I buy at that price could I make enough to compensate for any damage to my roof?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,217
    edited January 23

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
  • kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    Ha I meant paid to be wrong. Poorly worded.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,439
    Sandpit said:

    Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.

    He’s clearly never getting out, what’s the point of taking it further other than enriching the lawyers involved and clogging up the courts even more than they are already?
    It's for the AG or SG to appeal sentence to the Court of Appeal as too lenient if they are so minded. If they do it will be purely performative, like their appeal over the triple Nottingham murders - so it can happen. Less likely to happen under Labour though.

    The test is 'unduly lenient'. No chance.

    On a related matter, it is obvious that in ordinary terms the defendant is as mad as a box of frogs. The defence tactic of neither running diminished responsibility as a defence or even producing a shrink's report in mitigation is interesting. They must have looked into it, and something about what they saw made it unusable. Add this to the unsolved mystery of why Miss Letby didn't call her own expert evidence.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,166
    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
  • kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    Robert once banned me.

    Shortly after I published this thread which contained this gem in the opening.

    Light the beacons of Gondor, it turns out Boris Johnson was telling the truth last month, an event rarer than a decent Radiohead album,

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/11/06/what-boris-johnson-pulling-out-really-means/
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 9,541
    Wow, the alert actually speaks to you now.

    Everyone's phones have gone off.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 13,439

    MattW said:
    After reading some of his posts he doesn't strike me as a very nice man.
    But following what he is up to, and reflecting on what his aims and ambitions might be is worth keeping an eye on.

    This:
    https://www.mattgoodwin.org/p/maga-the-uk-version?utm_campaign=email-half-post&r=1mnpci&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    for example.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208

    kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    Robert once banned me.

    Shortly after I published this thread which contained this gem in the opening.

    Light the beacons of Gondor, it turns out Boris Johnson was telling the truth last month, an event rarer than a decent Radiohead album,

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/11/06/what-boris-johnson-pulling-out-really-means/
    It's the unbanning that we worry about.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,835
    MaxPB said:

    I think the best thing Kemi can do is publicly fall out with Truss and force her to defect to Reform so all of the mad stuff she says becomes their problem.

    I think that's what she's trying to do isn't it? Very unlikely to succeed because Kemi's not very good.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 29,835
    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    The lecture on "Explaining my atrocity thru the medium of dance" is quite popular. Although the one where the mime pretends to blow up an invisible box with an invisible bomb has, for understandable reasons, been sidelined in recent years.
    What do you mean by 'the mime pretends'?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,404
    Eabhal said:

    Wow, the alert actually speaks to you now.

    Everyone's phones have gone off.

    How many people are worrying about Faslane?
  • algarkirk said:

    Sandpit said:

    Today's sentence already referred for being Unduly Lenient. Hard to see how, the judge was very clear in his remarks, he gave the maximum possible given his age and discount for a guilty plea.

    He’s clearly never getting out, what’s the point of taking it further other than enriching the lawyers involved and clogging up the courts even more than they are already?
    It's for the AG or SG to appeal sentence to the Court of Appeal as too lenient if they are so minded. If they do it will be purely performative, like their appeal over the triple Nottingham murders - so it can happen. Less likely to happen under Labour though.

    The test is 'unduly lenient'. No chance.

    On a related matter, it is obvious that in ordinary terms the defendant is as mad as a box of frogs. The defence tactic of neither running diminished responsibility as a defence or even producing a shrink's report in mitigation is interesting. They must have looked into it, and something about what they saw made it unusable. Add this to the unsolved mystery of why Miss Letby didn't call her own expert evidence.
    If you look at the defence barrister's very brief mitigation remarks, reading between the lines he was a massive pain in the arse who the barrister just wanted rid of. He was clearly intending to plead not guilty and put the families through a trial - wonder if the barrister threatened to walk if he did, hence the late plea change.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 53,598
    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)

    Yes it’s location-based, from the phone towers. Tourists will get the alert too.
    I got a weather warning in Germany the other year. To tell the truth I had noticed it was quite hot and wished I had booked a room with aircon (which I don't usually bother with in Northern Europe)
    I’ve been to Ukraine a couple of times in the last few years. Sadly they’re a regular occurrence there, they use them as electronic air raid sirens. Back home in the sandpit, we get them for flood warnings, which are occasional but severe.

    It’s actually a really good system that the whole mobile phone industry did as a collaboration.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188
    RobD said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    That would require retroactive legislation, amongst other things.
    Even when we had the death penalty we didn't execute those whose crimes were below the age of 18.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,252
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    That would require retroactive legislation, amongst other things.
    Even when we had the death penalty we didn't execute those whose crimes were below the age of 18.
    Yeah.

    Where’s @Malmesbury and his black cap?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,445

    viewcode said:

    boulay said:

    dixiedean said:

    So. Was this all a plot to force us to have more guns and armed teachers or summat?
    And what about the poor fash curious locked up for rioting over a hoax?
    Thick twats.
    How do you train to be a "crisis actor"? Is there a special department at RADA? Are they all in Equity?
    It's all too complex for my poor brain.


    According to BAFTA,

    “To be a crisis actor you must complete 3 relevant modules at RADA or other accredited institutions.

    Modules include Crisis Mime, Crisis Interpretive Dance and Crisis Improv.”
    The lecture on "Explaining my atrocity thru the medium of dance" is quite popular. Although the one where the mime pretends to blow up an invisible box with an invisible bomb has, for understandable reasons, been sidelined in recent years.
    What do you mean by 'the mime pretends'?
    The joke was that the mime pretending to blow up had been superseded by the mime actually blowing up, hence the sidelining of the lecture.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021
  • Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    But hanging really is too good for this creature. He doesn't deserve it to be over quickly. he deserves to rot in jail, with the occasional attempt by another lifer to off him. May he never know a day's peace.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,506

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Neither have I, in a General. In the locals I have fared somewhat better, but only because 70% of the winning candidates I have voted for have been me (and my running mates)
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,506
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Carnyx said:

    UKG siren thingy on mobile phones to be activated for the Scots in the red areas, not sure about N England.

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/24880472.storm-eowyn-millions-scots-phones-siren-loud-danger-warning/?ref=ebbn&nid=1457&u=f140ec39d500193051a33e140c12bd95&date=230125

    (Not sure how they tell. Localisation rather than invoice address?)

    Yes it’s location-based, from the phone towers. Tourists will get the alert too.
    I got a weather warning in Germany the other year. To tell the truth I had noticed it was quite hot and wished I had booked a room with aircon (which I don't usually bother with in Northern Europe)
    I’ve been to Ukraine a couple of times in the last few years. Sadly they’re a regular occurrence there, they use them as electronic air raid sirens. Back home in the sandpit, we get them for flood warnings, which are occasional but severe.

    It’s actually a really good system that the whole mobile phone industry did as a collaboration.
    Yep - when I was driving to escape Hurricane Helene in North Carolina both my phone and car radio were going off with flood warnings, wind warnings and tornado warnings. Quite scary the first time it happens.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 52,958
    RobD said:

    Fishing said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Carnyx said:

    RobD said:

    Carnyx said:

    DavidL said:

    RobD said:

    DavidL said:

    We now have red weather warnings across central Scotland and not only the schools but all the courts are shutting for the day. This had better be bad. It is going to cause yet more backlog. You will be relieved to learn that the pursuit of justice truth and liberty will continue online from my house.

    That seems like a bit of an overreaction for some strong wind.
    Doesn't it? Its actually preternaturally still here at the moment on the east coast. No doubt this will change but jeez.
    Not so sure abouyt it hbeing an overreaction. Been looking at the weather equivalent of PB. Rather like PB, many are very unhappy about the prognostications, but one or two are excitedly jumping up and down at the thought of death and damage.

    I remember 1968 - only time I ever saw my father coming into the bedroom to check the window.
    They’ll issue a weather warning for anything these days. The whole scale is poorly calibrated, to the point that people will take the actually important warnings less seriously.
    The discussion was actually on that - but on why the UKMO were being so slow about issuing the red.
    Isn't there a rumour that one of the models is showing a record UK low? In that event they don't how much choice but to issue a red. The level of severity is going to override the uncertainty on the risk matrix.
    Very long time lurker here (talking back to the coalition days) but some weather chat has prompted me to finally pop my posting cherry. For context, I'm a meteorologist by profession for a private competitor to the Met Office.

    The winds expected for this storm are pretty noteworthy even for Scotland, it's not every winter we get a risk of 90-100mph winds, and even for the Central Belt we can expected 80+ gusts. For any folks in the west of Ireland, however, it will be seriously dangerous. The red warning is completely warranted, and at least they issued it in a timely manner - for Eunice it wasn't issued until 4am on the day of the event despite it looking nailed on for days beforehand.

    Anyway, absolutely love following this place and I'll probably continue to largely lurk, but I cannot resist some weather talk!
    @Cumulonimbus has been banned.
    Really?

    He got 23 likes for two posts, which must be a record ratio on here surely?

    Is this site now cutting down the tallest poppies?
    No, it was a joke. You can tell because they themself replied to that post.
    Sentence to burying the survivors of plane crashes....
    kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    That’s why @SeanT is so rich.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,208
    RobD said:

    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    That would require retroactive legislation, amongst other things.
    Even when we had the death penalty we didn't execute those whose crimes were below the age of 18.
    Yeah.

    Where’s @Malmesbury and his black cap?
    The best restaurants don't throw out the lunch crowd until about now. I doubt he'll risk his cap in the rain.

    So, really what you're asking is when will kindly but uncaring death occur? Far too windy just now - the scythe in the wind is a liabilty. And then on Sunday there's antiques roadshow, which is always a painful time in that there was so much missed.

    Realistically the actual @Malmesbury can't be expected until next month I fear!
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,237

    Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    But hanging really is too good for this creature. He doesn't deserve it to be over quickly. he deserves to rot in jail, with the occasional attempt by another lifer to off him. May he never know a day's peace.
    Mild hallucinogens and the victim testimonies played on repeat?

    More importantly, if there is a Runcorn election then discussion of the death penalty is now likely to feature and, given the local demographics, likely to aid Reform.
  • tlg86 said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    FPT:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    Eabhal said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    kinabalu said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1882405410130276460

    @astor_charlie
    Footage of Axel Rudakubana in the taxi arriving was played to the court.

    He was heard asking the driver where 34a Hart Street was.

    The driver points in the direction of the building and then asks if Rudakubana is paying with cash or card.


    So he did know what he was going to attack when he got in the taxi. It wasn't a case of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was very clearly an attack against women and girls. That is terrorism.

    Sorry, how do you mean? Female targets doesn't in itself mean terrorism.

    (Not saying it isn't in this case btw given the other factors)
    It does if they were targeted for being female. I think it's quite likely that was the case.
    Jack the Ripper wasn't a terrorist though.

    Are you seeking a distinction between different types of misogyny?
    Nature of the crime. If he'd set of a bomb, that would have ***automatically*** made it terrorism.
    How come the people blowing up ULEZ cameras haven't been charged with that then?
    Not targeting people?
    Ah, so suddenly it's not automatically terrorism if people aren't targeted. But the Terrorism Act is clear that property counts, not just people - which makes sense, if you consider some of the IRA bombings.
    If the police want to do people blowing up ULEZ cameras for terrorism, that's fine by me.

    EDIT:

    Action falls within this subsection if it—

    (a)involves serious violence against a person,

    (b)involves serious damage to property,


    I guess blowing up ULEZ cameras isn't considered serious damage to property.
    So we've gone full circle to a bomb not being serious damage.
    I was asked why people blowing up cameras aren't being done for terrorism (seems that they are at least being investigated by terrorism police). I gave an answer.

    But, I find it interesting that we've gone from why Rudakubana might be in a different category to Wayne Couzens, Jack the Ripper etc., to "yeah, but people blowing up ULEZ cameras are also terrorists."

    Can these people not see that there might be a difference between blowing up people and blowing up ULEZ cameras? Now, maybe the authorities should be using every piece of legislation they can to stop people causing damage to infrastructure like ULEZ cameras. But just because they aren't doesn't mean that murdering girls en masse isn't terrorism.
    Also FPT:

    I don't actually think people blowing up ULEZ cameras are terrorists. I was just using it to demonstrate that your position was absurd - and by extension, the law too.

    I think terrorism needs quite a substantial and considered ideological grounding. I don't think there is evidence that's the case in Southport or for the ULEZ people.
    What I want to know is, how did he find this group to attack? He clearly did, as that's why he took the taxi there. Did he have issues with Taylor Swift? The similarities with Manchester are obvious. And I want the police tell us why they are not the same (men who hate strong women like Grande and Swift).
    Leaving aside what the law says, any sensible definition of terrorism has to involve the inducement of terror in either the population as a whole or a specific section of it, and - I'd argue - with the intent to change either government policy or public behaviour towards that which the terrorist favours.

    Psychopaths are not terrorists. Murderous nihilists who just want to see the world burn are not terrorists. Serial killers are not terrorists, unless there is motive in their actions beyond the moment. There has to be an expectation of, and fear of, future violence if the terrorists' policy agenda is not met, either from the group or individual involved, or at least from others they expect to pick up the cause if they're arrested or killed.
    Did Starmer get this wrong?

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/876688634333802497

    @Keir_Starmer
    All thoughts with the victims & all those affected by the terrorist attack in Finsbury Park. We must stand united against all these attacks.
    7:30 AM · Jun 19, 2017
    I’d like to live in a world where we spent less time collectively arguing over whether to label particular incidents as terrorism or not terrorism, and spent more time stopping people being killed any which way.
    Sadly, common sense measures to guard against things like this are often opposed by people who have ideological motivations.
    And by people who object to paying taxes.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 23,708
    dixiedean said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    When someone posts something entirely reasonable, coherent and hard for anyone to disagree with, then I occasionally respond with "[x] has been banned". I realize this may not be entirely mature behavior, but it amuses me.
    Thankfully it's rare.
    I did it once, but I think I got away with it.
  • Rupert Lowe and Richard Tice call for the death penalty for Axel Rudakubana.

    Why weren't they calling for this for Lucy Letby?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 50,188
    edited January 23
    IanB2 said:

    viewcode said:

    HYUFD said:

    AnneJGP said:

    For once I'm finding the thread header somewhat confusing. Liz Truss reminding the country of John Major's disastrous tenure? Is there a paragraph or a sentence missing perhaps?

    To be fair to Major despite Black Wednesday in 1997 he left office with the economy in rather batter shape than Truss did, indeed in better shape than Labour left it in 2010 too
    We didn't know what we had at the time... :(
    I did, 1997 was my first election and I voted Tory.
    1997 was my first election and I voted Labour. I suspect that neither of us voted for the winning candidate!
    I have voted in Sheffield Hallam in five elections (1997, 2015, 2017, 2019, and 2024), not once have I voted for the winning candidate, Labour canvassers were begging me to not vote for their candidate.
    I have never voted for a winning candidate in any general or local election!
    Neither have I, in a General. In the locals I have fared somewhat better, but only because 70% of the winning candidates I have voted for have been me (and my running mates)
    In my 11 General elections, I have voted for the winning candidate 3 times (2 Labour, 1 Conservative). All 3 of these already held the seat. I have never voted in a seat where it has changed at a GE.

    I shall try to retire to a marginal so my vote matters.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,021

    kjh said:

    Rest assured I don't think I'm banned. Although I could be wrong, I get paid for doing just that on a regular basis.

    It's an @rcs1000 joke. I have been banned twice. Once for sucking up and once for being too reasonable. No actual ban took place. I can see a third on the horizon after this post.

    PS You get paid to be banned?
    Ha I meant paid to be wrong. Poorly worded.
    Don’t make any more comments, or you’ll drop below the 10/1 likes/posts ratio!
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