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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    TimS said:

    Trump’s first inauguration speech in 2017 was a disgrace. I suspect today’s will be less menacing, more crowing. I don’t plan to watch him.

    The sight of Hamas fighters looking equally jubilant in Gaza yesterday, guns in hand, is not such great optics for the genius peacemaker. He made a big play to get credit for a ceasefire that had been 8 months in the planning.

    will not last for long , Hamas celebrations yesterday show the way it will go. Hopefully the hostages get out before all hell breaks out again.
    Israel will get as many hostages out as possible, wait a year or two, then go in again to finish the job of making Gaza uninhabitable. Tragically, this is just a time-out
    "A year or two"? I think you mean a week or two.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,069
    Forgot this ceremony had been moved indoors (D'oh), so don't expect my18-20 mins being a winner.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,328
    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

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    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    No - he’s acknowledged that the MAGA movement will use lawfare to harass him. Not the same thing at all
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    Citation? If you are right, Biden's Alzheimer's is worse than we thought.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,313
    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
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    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    No he didn't. He is protecting him and others from a vindictive Trump.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Leon said:

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    TimS said:

    Trump’s first inauguration speech in 2017 was a disgrace. I suspect today’s will be less menacing, more crowing. I don’t plan to watch him.

    The sight of Hamas fighters looking equally jubilant in Gaza yesterday, guns in hand, is not such great optics for the genius peacemaker. He made a big play to get credit for a ceasefire that had been 8 months in the planning.

    will not last for long , Hamas celebrations yesterday show the way it will go. Hopefully the hostages get out before all hell breaks out again.
    Israel will get as many hostages out as possible, wait a year or two, then go in again to finish the job of making Gaza uninhabitable. Tragically, this is just a time-out
    Bomb the rubble?
    Essentially, yes

    Stage Two of this "peace plan" requires Israel to relinquish control of Gaza's borders, esp the border with Egypt. That allows Hamas to import more weapons and prepare another attack, and off we go again

    There is simply no way the Israelis will ever agree to this - and TBH I do not blame them. No Israeli government can allow the risk of another October Surprise, if they did and it happened they would be lynched

    So, inevitably, I think, the Israelis will go back to the original longterm plan, which is make Gaze unlivable so it literally no longer exists, and seize the West Bank in toto. The only way this doesn't happen is if Hamas are suddenly replaced by a democratic regime in Gaza that honestly seeks peace, the chances of that seem to be zero - and I likewise don't blame the Gazans for their ongoing hatred of Israel

    Quite depressing, really, let's focus on more cheerful things like our shared excitement at the prospect of THE Donald 2.0!

    The Greater Israel project. What do they do with all the Palestinians? Give them a vote and a passport? Or something else to make 3-5mn within GI and beyond disappear?
    Expel them into Egypt or elsewhere, is likely the plan

    You can see glimpses of this plan, faraway in the distance, if you look hard enough

    “Jakarta ‘never heard’ of Trump’s plan to relocate Gazans to Indonesia”

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/world/2025/01/20/jakarta-never-heard-of-trumps-plan-to-relocate-gazans-to-indonesia.html.

    Bribe every Gazan to accept relocation, Bribe the relocation destination with a few billion dollars

    And, let’s be honest, is that markedly worse than the life and future Gazans have now? Sitting in the squalor and rubble, waiting for the Israelis to bomb their kids to shit again? No, it’s markedly better

    It's telling that none of their immediate neighbours are remotely keen.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    kjh said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    No he didn't. He is protecting him and others from a vindictive Trump.
    Oh I see. It's a pre-emptive pardon, right?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003
    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 64,663
    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    Trump - if he actually ever leaves office before he dies - will now use this precedent in spades come Jan 2029.

  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,313

    kjh said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    No he didn't. He is protecting him and others from a vindictive Trump.
    Oh I see. It's a pre-emptive pardon, right?
    Well I must admit I am assuming it, but that seems to be what was done with his son who seems to have an enormously wide spread pardon and it seems the only plausible reason for the police who testified and the committee members.

    Suppose I should read the wording, but then I'm just following the norm of PB of jumping to unfounded conclusions.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,281
    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    He hasn't - but he certainly has made it look like that.

    Not a few of the Jan 6 committee said they didn't want pardons for precisely that reason.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Slow news day?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562

    Grieve:

    "But what I find much more troubling about all this is what it tells us about Jenrick. As a Conservative I would expect him to be respectful of the role of the Law Officers in ensuring the Government gets professional and impartial legal advice. But he is quite happy to trash the system when he thinks it might score a cheap hit."

    https://x.com/dominicgrieve_/status/1881287984550400325

    Grieve is on LBC now skewering Jenrick.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.
  • eekeek Posts: 29,397
    Cicero said:

    Fishing said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Fishing said:

    The saving grace is that Trump can't be President again.. but which loon is going to follow him.....

    Not necessarily. The 22nd amendment only says that nobody can be ELECTED President twice.

    So Trump could have one of those loons run for President, with himself as Vice President. Then the new President resigns on his first day in office, and, bingo, another four years of Trump as President, maybe with the loon as his VP as reward.

    I've been having nightmares recently...
    12th

    ... But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
    But he isn't constitutionally ineligible to the office of President, he's just constitutionally ineligible to be ELECTED to it.

    Given the pro-Trump tilt on the Supreme Court, I think he'd have a fair shot at succeeding.
    He hasn't and he's not even going to try.
    Quite, He is 78, he has made a point that is pretty unanswerable. In any event his ego, never mind his health, will not allow him to be anything except POTUS.

    Given that this is a one shot at redemption and laying out a Reagan style legacy he might even do many right things, albeit after he has done a whole load of very bad things.

    My judgement is that his petty vindictiveness will avoid any magnanimity in victory and that his instinct for grift and corruption will alienate even his allies. However, to give the old crook his due, today is his alone. Its up to him whether he a going to attempt statesmanship or childishness. Trump 45 was a total shitshow... can Trump 47 build anything lasting?
    Ever lasting Shitshow - quite possible
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    Citation? If you are right, Biden's Alzheimer's is worse than we thought.
    Citation is he pre emptively pardoned him!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 14,439

    Leon said:

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    TimS said:

    Trump’s first inauguration speech in 2017 was a disgrace. I suspect today’s will be less menacing, more crowing. I don’t plan to watch him.

    The sight of Hamas fighters looking equally jubilant in Gaza yesterday, guns in hand, is not such great optics for the genius peacemaker. He made a big play to get credit for a ceasefire that had been 8 months in the planning.

    will not last for long , Hamas celebrations yesterday show the way it will go. Hopefully the hostages get out before all hell breaks out again.
    Israel will get as many hostages out as possible, wait a year or two, then go in again to finish the job of making Gaza uninhabitable. Tragically, this is just a time-out
    Bomb the rubble?
    Essentially, yes

    Stage Two of this "peace plan" requires Israel to relinquish control of Gaza's borders, esp the border with Egypt. That allows Hamas to import more weapons and prepare another attack, and off we go again

    There is simply no way the Israelis will ever agree to this - and TBH I do not blame them. No Israeli government can allow the risk of another October Surprise, if they did and it happened they would be lynched

    So, inevitably, I think, the Israelis will go back to the original longterm plan, which is make Gaze unlivable so it literally no longer exists, and seize the West Bank in toto. The only way this doesn't happen is if Hamas are suddenly replaced by a democratic regime in Gaza that honestly seeks peace, the chances of that seem to be zero - and I likewise don't blame the Gazans for their ongoing hatred of Israel

    Quite depressing, really, let's focus on more cheerful things like our shared excitement at the prospect of THE Donald 2.0!

    The Greater Israel project. What do they do with all the Palestinians? Give them a vote and a passport? Or something else to make 3-5mn within GI and beyond disappear?
    Expel them into Egypt or elsewhere, is likely the plan

    You can see glimpses of this plan, faraway in the distance, if you look hard enough

    “Jakarta ‘never heard’ of Trump’s plan to relocate Gazans to Indonesia”

    https://www.thejakartapost.com/world/2025/01/20/jakarta-never-heard-of-trumps-plan-to-relocate-gazans-to-indonesia.html.

    Bribe every Gazan to accept relocation, Bribe the relocation destination with a few billion dollars

    And, let’s be honest, is that markedly worse than the life and future Gazans have now? Sitting in the squalor and rubble, waiting for the Israelis to bomb their kids to shit again? No, it’s markedly better

    It's telling that none of their immediate neighbours are remotely keen.....
    Egypt has past experience of taking an exiled people from the land of Judea. Last time they ended up losing all their first born.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Nigelb said:

    S. Korea to develop Iron Dome-like interceptor against NK artillery by 2028
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2025/01/205_390723.html

    Not a bad idea when your capital is just about in artillery range from N Korea.

    Whereas when you're a continental power it's just stupid.
    (Assuming Trump has a clue what Iron Dome actually is.)

    Trump:

    I will direct our military to begin construction of the great Iron Dome Missile Defense Shield, which will all be made in the U.S.A.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1881222767263261169

    I thought they were planning for the defence budget to be spent more efficiently ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Today I mainly went to Shwedogana Pagoda

    Utterly incredible. 2000 years old. Huge! And the visitor book showed an average of 5 foreign visitors a day (I checked). FIVE

    Tons of Buddhist Noom


  • glwglw Posts: 10,254


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    Okay Milley in particular is bonkers, because what did he do to upset Trump?

    Milley didn't like getting used for a photo op by Trump, he didn't like any suggestion of using US troops against Americans, and he reminded US military officers of the substance of their oath. Basically Milley is a stickler for doing things by the book, and maintaining propriety. Since then Milley's also described Trump as fascist to the core when speaking to Bob Woodward.

    These actions by Milley are tiny compared to all the events of the pandemic, or around the attempted coup. So if Trump is after Milley then anyone could be next.

    In the US effective democracy and rule of law ends today.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,165
    Leon said:

    Today I mainly went to Shwedogana Pagoda

    Utterly incredible. 2000 years old. Huge! And the visitor book showed an average of 5 foreign visitors a day (I checked). FIVE

    Tons of Buddhist Noom


    Noom.com beat you to the term "noom". Sorry.

    https://www.noom.com/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    edited January 20
    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    It’s about two years since a Democratic operative told me with all earnestness that Biden is “the greatest president since Kennedy”.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    A convenient hospital appointment so Acting President Vance can pre-emptively pardon Trump?

    Whatever happens, the left are going to scream about it and not take one jot of responsibility for handing Trump the tool on a silver platter.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    Trump - if he actually ever leaves office before he dies - will now use this precedent in spades come Jan 2029.
    No doubt - but he doesn't need precedents tbf.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641

    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

    What worries me is the BBC coverage at least, and no doubt other outlets, helpfully name the AQ terrorism manual to make it easy to search, find and download. So in a few months there will be more people convicted of possession through idle curiosity, and possibly a handful of deaths because some idiot followed the instructions. That's my pearl-clutching quota for the day.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    No, it really wasn’t “just about understandable” when Biden himself swore he wouldn’t do it, and then every Democrat in America proudly said “we are Democrats, we believe in the rule of law, that’s why we’re better than Trump, that’s why Biden will not pardon his own son, let justice prevail” - then Biden went and pardoned his own son, for a weirdly specific eleven and a quarter years, and then every Democrat had to mumble “yeah ok anyway law, who cares about the law, they don’t so we don’t either can we move on now”?

    Dismal

    Also, what the fuck is a “pre-emptive pardon”? What if incontrovertible evidence emerges that, say, Fauci personally approved the particular Gain of Function research - against US law - which led to Covid? And then Fauci conspired to cover that up? That’s twenty million dead people not getting justice

    Unspeakable
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 550

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    TimS said:

    Trump’s first inauguration speech in 2017 was a disgrace. I suspect today’s will be less menacing, more crowing. I don’t plan to watch him.

    The sight of Hamas fighters looking equally jubilant in Gaza yesterday, guns in hand, is not such great optics for the genius peacemaker. He made a big play to get credit for a ceasefire that had been 8 months in the planning.

    will not last for long , Hamas celebrations yesterday show the way it will go. Hopefully the hostages get out before all hell breaks out again.
    Israel will get as many hostages out as possible, wait a year or two, then go in again to finish the job of making Gaza uninhabitable. Tragically, this is just a time-out
    Bomb the rubble?
    Essentially, yes

    Stage Two of this "peace plan" requires Israel to relinquish control of Gaza's borders, esp the border with Egypt. That allows Hamas to import more weapons and prepare another attack, and off we go again

    There is simply no way the Israelis will ever agree to this - and TBH I do not blame them. No Israeli government can allow the risk of another October Surprise, if they did and it happened they would be lynched

    So, inevitably, I think, the Israelis will go back to the original longterm plan, which is make Gaze unlivable so it literally no longer exists, and seize the West Bank in toto. The only way this doesn't happen is if Hamas are suddenly replaced by a democratic regime in Gaza that honestly seeks peace, the chances of that seem to be zero - and I likewise don't blame the Gazans for their ongoing hatred of Israel

    Quite depressing, really, let's focus on more cheerful things like our shared excitement at the prospect of THE Donald 2.0!

    The Greater Israel project. What do they do
    with all the Palestinians? Give them a vote and a passport? Or something else to make 3-5mn within GI and beyond disappear?
    Consocialisation
    If only. Pic of the day is the signs as you leave a West Bank village. Not exactly indicating that there is mutual respect for each other.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    A thought arises: is there much precedent for pre-emptive pardons or is this novel with Biden?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    Törnberg, P., & Chueri, J. (2025). When Do Parties Lie? Misinformation and Radical-Right Populism Across 26 Countries. The International Journal of Press/Politics, 0(0). https://doi.org/10.1177/19401612241311886
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,290
    .

    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

    What worries me is the BBC coverage at least, and no doubt other outlets, helpfully name the AQ terrorism manual to make it easy to search, find and download. So in a few months there will be more people convicted of possession through idle curiosity, and possibly a handful of deaths because some idiot followed the instructions. That's my pearl-clutching quota for the day.
    Isn't the problem more that we've made it illegal to possess this document? I'm sure it contains the details of how to do some nasty things, but at the end of the day it's not terribly difficult to find out how to do nasty things on the internet (e.g. rock up a dance class with a kitchen knife and murder a bunch of kids).
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Biden seems intent on ruining his reputation even in these final few hours.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,743
    edited January 20
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    I think its the reverse. You can only take Trump on what he says he will do, so the pre-emptive pardons are a way to limit the political persecution. But to pardon his son was unjustifiable and one of those decisions which taint a presidency.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    There’s no evidence that he is even compos mentis anymore.

    I think he will dead with 2 years.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Biden seems intent on ruining his reputation even in these final few hours.

    Rather assuming he has much reputation left to ruin...
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Driver said:

    Biden seems intent on ruining his reputation even in these final few hours.

    Rather assuming he has much reputation left to ruin...
    He will go down in history as a fool who hastened oligarchic rule in the U.S.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137

    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

    What worries me is the BBC coverage at least, and no doubt other outlets, helpfully name the AQ terrorism manual to make it easy to search, find and download. So in a few months there will be more people convicted of possession through idle curiosity, and possibly a handful of deaths because some idiot followed the instructions. That's my pearl-clutching quota for the day.
    At least there's less ambiguity about something that has 'Al Qaeda training manual' in its name. I pity all the budding chefs who languish in prison for thinking the Anarchist Cookbook is the kind of guide to edgy cuisine that will propel them into the final of MasterChef :disappointed:
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,155
    a
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    Given that he was completely senile and also rapidly declining at least a year ago, surely nothing Biden says means anything at all. It's actually surprising he's still alive.
  • Driver said:

    A thought arises: is there much precedent for pre-emptive pardons or is this novel with Biden?

    US Law is based upon English Common Law uncontaminated with the drift which has afflicted that since the 1850s. I am pretty sure you cannot be pardoned for something you have not done - that would be absurd. The limbo between commission and conviction for an offence is more difficult. There was a case I researched in the 1580s where a killer, John Taylor tried to divest himself of property between discovery of his offence and conviction with the intent that it wouldn't escheat to the Crown. It seems American commentators are saying the pardon is an admission of wrong-doing. I think it more likely that it would only be an admission if the pardon were to be accepted.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    It’s about two years since a Democratic operative told me with all earnestness that Biden is “the greatest president since Kennedy”.

    About two years ago it was arguably true.
    It's been a steepening downhill slope since then.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    There’s no evidence that he is even compos mentis anymore.

    I think he will dead with 2 years.
    Did you see his final address to the nation? Barely able to string three words together

    Very sad. I sense he is being manipulated into doing this shit, but then again he is a foolish old twat so maybe it doesn’t take that much manipulation
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,022

    SandraMc said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/astor_charlie/status/1881307108018397665

    Charlie Bentley-Astor
    @astor_charlie
    The Judge asks if there is any other material the defence wishes to place before the court.

    Mr Reiz says he does not have a psychiatrists report but wishes to submit Rudakubana's "considerable" mental health record which existed before the events in Southport on 29 July 2024

    I'm watching it on TV. He has a long history of violent and disturbed behaviour.
    And an interest in producing ricin, according to the BBC. Yet 'not terror related' per the police...
    The ricin claim was of course made public on the afternoon before the budget. Months after we can assume the police knew about it. And the trial starts today, the same day as Trump's inauguration.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    edited January 20

    Biden seems intent on ruining his reputation even in these final few hours.

    It's going to ruin his chance of running again in 2028 :)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,902
    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Driver said:

    Biden seems intent on ruining his reputation even in these final few hours.

    Rather assuming he has much reputation left to ruin...
    He will go down in history as a fool who hastened oligarchic rule in the U.S.
    That rather depends on what happens in 2028. Certainly if the Dems' predictions of policy failures are even half right then the election is there to be won. But they need to learn from their failures of the last four years and make sure that the story they tell - starting at midday ET today, not just in the election campaign - actually accords with voters' experience.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    .

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    I think its the reverse. You can only take Trump on what he says he will do, so the pre-emptive pardons are a way to limit the political persecution. But to pardon his son was unjustifiable and one of those decisions which taint a presidency.
    I said it was understandable, not right.

    The same threats of persecution were made against Hunter Biden.
    The argument is effectively the same for all.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 23,769
    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    IIRC you can't accept a pardon without admitting you did it. How that manifests in open-ended pardons I don't know.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    kamski said:

    a

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    Given that he was completely senile and also rapidly declining at least a year ago, surely nothing Biden says means anything at all. It's actually surprising he's still alive.
    A year ago the Dems thought he was the best person to stop Trump!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249

    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.

    Give people the chance to grift, and many will take it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited January 20
    Trump should schedule his executive orders like a 1970s television schedule.

    “At 6, I’ll announce my tariffs on Europe, before some light relief at 7 with the Black and White Minstrels.”

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,902
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    No, it really wasn’t “just about understandable” when Biden himself swore he wouldn’t do it, and then every Democrat in America proudly said “we are Democrats, we believe in the rule of law, that’s why we’re better than Trump, that’s why Biden will not pardon his own son, let justice prevail” - then Biden went and pardoned his own son, for a weirdly specific eleven and a quarter years, and then every Democrat had to mumble “yeah ok anyway law, who cares about the law, they don’t so we don’t either can we move on now”?

    Dismal

    Also, what the fuck is a “pre-emptive pardon”? What if incontrovertible evidence emerges that, say, Fauci personally approved the particular Gain of Function research - against US law - which led to Covid? And then Fauci conspired to cover that up? That’s twenty million dead people not getting justice

    Unspeakable
    Just to repeat, I said understandable, not justified.
    Otherwise, I'm in agreement with you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    There’s no evidence that he is even compos mentis anymore.

    I think he will dead with 2 years.
    By firing squad at Terra Haute?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    edited January 20

    Driver said:

    A thought arises: is there much precedent for pre-emptive pardons or is this novel with Biden?

    US Law is based upon English Common Law uncontaminated with the drift which has afflicted that since the 1850s. I am pretty sure you cannot be pardoned for something you have not done - that would be absurd. The limbo between commission and conviction for an offence is more difficult. There was a case I researched in the 1580s where a killer, John Taylor tried to divest himself of property between discovery of his offence and conviction with the intent that it wouldn't escheat to the Crown. It seems American commentators are saying the pardon is an admission of wrong-doing. I think it more likely that it would only be an admission if the pardon were to be accepted.
    AFAICT, they can't be turned down ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    theProle said:

    .

    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

    What worries me is the BBC coverage at least, and no doubt other outlets, helpfully name the AQ terrorism manual to make it easy to search, find and download. So in a few months there will be more people convicted of possession through idle curiosity, and possibly a handful of deaths because some idiot followed the instructions. That's my pearl-clutching quota for the day.
    Isn't the problem more that we've made it illegal to possess this document? I'm sure it contains the details of how to do some nasty things, but at the end of the day it's not terribly difficult to find out how to do nasty things on the internet (e.g. rock up a dance class with a kitchen knife and murder a bunch of kids).
    That is a separate problem, although I agree that guns, bombs and poisons have been rendered largely redundant by the realisation that you can easily wipe out tourists or children by swerving a car or using a kitchen knife. (And recently guns have been used mainly by drugs gangs rather than terrorists, because the latter don't especially care who they kill so there is no point trying to buy firearms.)

    But given that said document is illegal to possess, it seems absurd to instruct people on where to find it. The BBC does not give similar details for, say, child porn, cocaine purchases or terrorist beheadings.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Sean_F said:

    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.

    Give people the chance to grift, and many will take it.
    Seemingly so, according to that damning HoL report.

    Like so many issues with the British state, it seems to have started mid-2010s and then exploded via Covid.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,152
    Selebian said:

    Rudakubana will be sentenced on Thursday

    His guilty pleas mean automatic reporting restrictions in relation to the anticipated trial have lifted, because there is no risk of prejudicing a jury

    Reporting restrictions related to naming the child victims who survived remain


    https://x.com/lizziedearden/status/1881307460541292889

    What worries me is the BBC coverage at least, and no doubt other outlets, helpfully name the AQ terrorism manual to make it easy to search, find and download. So in a few months there will be more people convicted of possession through idle curiosity, and possibly a handful of deaths because some idiot followed the instructions. That's my pearl-clutching quota for the day.
    At least there's less ambiguity about something that has 'Al Qaeda training manual' in its name. I pity all the budding chefs who languish in prison for thinking the Anarchist Cookbook is the kind of guide to edgy cuisine that will propel them into the final of MasterChef :disappointed:
    If it said Isis Training Manual people might think it was about boating in Oxford
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Driver said:

    A thought arises: is there much precedent for pre-emptive pardons or is this novel with Biden?

    US Law is based upon English Common Law uncontaminated with the drift which has afflicted that since the 1850s. I am pretty sure you cannot be pardoned for something you have not done - that would be absurd. The limbo between commission and conviction for an offence is more difficult. There was a case I researched in the 1580s where a killer, John Taylor tried to divest himself of property between discovery of his offence and conviction with the intent that it wouldn't escheat to the Crown. It seems American commentators are saying the pardon is an admission of wrong-doing. I think it more likely that it would only be an admission if the pardon were to be accepted.
    Can a pardonee refuse a pardon?

    I agree that in the face of it a pre-emptive pardon - certainly for something that hasn't even been investigated, much less charged or convicted - seems absurd.

    Which leaves an interesting strategic question for Trump. If he doesn't challenge it, it's a good sign he's going to want to use the precedent himself.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049

    Trump should schedule his executive orders like a 1970s television schedule.

    “At 6, I’ll announce my tariffs on Europe, before some light relief at 7 with the Black and White Minstrels.”

    "And at 7.30, the White and White Minstrel Show, because we will have deported all the Black Minstrels."
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    Andy_JS said:

    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose

    I WFH all but one day a month. He's not wrong. Some things I have to be in the office to do a decent job of, and most things I can do a decent job at home but would need to be in the office to do a good job.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137
    Andy_JS said:

    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose

    I can accept that it doesn't work well for a number of supermarket jobs, such as stacking shelves/moving things around in warehouses :lol:
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049
    Meanwhile in classical civilization news,

    For Blue Monday we can't think of anything more appropriate than this charming depiction of a man getting his face eaten off by a leopard.

    https://bsky.app/profile/romanpalace.bsky.social/post/3lg5zpyhhnk27
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Has Biden not pardoned himself yet :D ?

    Biden has just said he won’t pardon himself because - I’m serious - “I didn’t do anything wrong”

    Which makes everyone who just got pardoned look not-very-good
    There’s no evidence that he is even compos mentis anymore.

    I think he will dead with 2 years.
    Did you see his final address to the nation? Barely able to string three words together

    Very sad. I sense he is being manipulated into doing this shit, but then again he is a foolish old twat so maybe it doesn’t take that much manipulation
    Serious question: how long before we have the same debate about the 47th president? Is Trump too old, is his speech too rambling, does he sometimes freeze? The Project2025 types won't mind their guy taking over two years earlier than planned.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    "been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes"

    Hmm. That reminds me of something else for some strange reason.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So the Democrats should follow suit?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,003

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    Can't be long till the Reform defection I'd have thought.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,249

    Sean_F said:

    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.

    Give people the chance to grift, and many will take it.
    Seemingly so, according to that damning HoL report.

    Like so many issues with the British state, it seems to have started mid-2010s and then exploded via Covid.
    It was hugely disappointing to me, just how badly the Conservatives performed in areas that should be Conservative strengths (immigration and border control, defence, justice, control of spending). They preferred to shout ineffectually.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    If both sides do it, it's a norm, or a convention.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.

    Give people the chance to grift, and many will take it.
    Seemingly so, according to that damning HoL report.

    Like so many issues with the British state, it seems to have started mid-2010s and then exploded via Covid.
    It was hugely disappointing to me, just how badly the Conservatives performed in areas that should be Conservative strengths (immigration and border control, defence, justice, control of spending). They preferred to shout ineffectually.
    One word: Brexit.
    Two words: Brexit and Boris.

    Hollowed out and debauched the entire governing apparatus.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So basically the USA has abandoned the rule of law and it’s now just two tribes trying to win so they can pardon their own and persecute the other side, and the Democrats are easily as bad as the Republicans - arguably worse because more pious and hypocritical - and that’s all fine because muh Trump?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose

    I WFH all but one day a month. He's not wrong. Some things I have to be in the office to do a decent job of, and most things I can do a decent job at home but would need to be in the office to do a good job.
    Management: WFH bad, offshoring good.
    Workers: WFH good, offshoring bad.

    As someone WFH since 2012, here are three observations.
    1. One of the reasons WFH is better is management obsession with open plan offices and cubicles made office work harder than it needs to be.
    2. Bringing in new team members is hard to do remotely.
    3. Some people do take the piss, whether at home or at the office.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    Nonetheless, it sets a precedent.

    And the argument for them isn't even coherent.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5094948-joe-biden-pardons-mark-milley-anthony-fauci-january-sixth/
    ..It’s unclear whether all members will accept the pardons Biden has offered them. Thompson indicated that he would accept a pardon from the White House for his leadership role on the committee, but other members have said in recent weeks that they do not believe they need them.
    Several police officers who testified to the committee were also preemptively pardoned. The officers that testified were former U.S. Capitol Police officers Harry Dunn, Aquilino Gonell and Caroline Edwards, and former D.C. Metropolitan police officers Michael Fanone and Daniel Hodges.
    During a press call earlier this month, Fanone and Gonell indicated that they had not discussed pardons with Biden’s White House and felt they did not need them.
    It’s typical for presidents to grant clemency at the end of their term, but Biden has stretched the limits of the presidential pardon power by offering pardons to individuals who have so far faced no investigation.
    “I believe in the rule of law, and I am optimistic that the strength of our legal institutions will ultimately prevail over politics,” Biden said. “But these are exceptional circumstances, and I cannot in good conscience do nothing.”
    Biden’s Justice Department wrote in recent court filings for Jan. 6 defendants — many of whom are expecting imminent pardons from Trump — that accepting a pardon comes with an implicit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, despite Biden’s insistence that these (pardons) do not...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So the Democrats should follow suit?
    In anticipation of vexatious prosecutions against Trump's personal foes, for example several Republicans like Milley I am comfortable with that. If you want Democrat pardoning misbehaviour Clinton pardoning the USA's biggest white collar criminals Marc Rich and Pinky Green was unforgivable.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562
    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    If both sides do it, it's a norm, or a convention.
    It's a crap idea open to abuse from all sides, see Clinton's pardons.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197
    glw said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    Okay Milley in particular is bonkers, because what did he do to upset Trump?
    In particular, who knows ?
    But Trump has publicly threatened to recall him to active service to face a military tribunal, with the threat of a treason indictment.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    edited January 20

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So the Democrats should follow suit?
    In anticipation of vexatious prosecutions against Trump's personal foes, for example several Republicans like Milley I am comfortable with that. If you want Democrat pardoning misbehaviour Clinton pardoning the USA's biggest white collar criminals Marc Rich and Pinky Green was unforgivable.
    I am not interested in partisan politics here, and am no “Democrat”. Clinton was indeed some kind of crook, and a lech besides.

    I’m interested in the direct example set by Biden (or the people who now prop up Biden) and how it will be instrumentalised by Trump.

    US democracy is being enfeebled in real time (we barely discussed the meme coin), and it’s astonishing to see how poorly the Dems have responded to it.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137
    edited January 20

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Husband, maybe - looks a bit like him at least. Could be entirely wrong!

    ETA: Arm round Suella and Suella's hand in a fairly intimate position on him, so could well be!
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Rael Braverman. Or, possibly, a Sontaran.
  • DriverDriver Posts: 5,559

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose

    I WFH all but one day a month. He's not wrong. Some things I have to be in the office to do a decent job of, and most things I can do a decent job at home but would need to be in the office to do a good job.
    Management: WFH bad, offshoring good.
    Workers: WFH good, offshoring bad.

    As someone WFH since 2012, here are three observations.
    1. One of the reasons WFH is better is management obsession with open plan offices and cubicles made office work harder than it needs to be.
    2. Bringing in new team members is hard to do remotely.
    3. Some people do take the piss, whether at home or at the office.
    The major thing driving workers liking WFH is, I rather suspect, that commuting absolutely sucks. Especially around big cities - it was one of the main reasons I left London. Maybe there needs to be a shift to paying for commuting time.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,109
    Selebian said:

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Husband, maybe - looks a bit like him at least. Could be entirely wrong!
    Why would your husband be in Washington with Suella and Nigel?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,712

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Rael Braverman. Or, possibly, a Sontaran.
    Thanks.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,295
    edited January 20

    Trump should schedule his executive orders like a 1970s television schedule.

    “At 6, I’ll announce my tariffs on Europe, before some light relief at 7 with the Black and White Minstrels.”

    It's not so far from that. I can easily imagine a weekly show where he issues the latest bunch of edicts straight into the camera. Perhaps just call it "Trump".
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,814
    If ever affirmation was needed that today is indeed Morning in America, it’s the tawdry overnight show from Biden.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137

    Selebian said:

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Husband, maybe - looks a bit like him at least. Could be entirely wrong!
    Why would your husband be in Washington with Suella and Nigel?
    Fash Reform curious :disappointed:
  • LeonLeon Posts: 58,881
    If you want to avoid nightmares, don’t look at this recently released mugshot of the Southport murderer

    If you can capture evil in a photograph they did it

    https://x.com/mennewsdesk/status/1881336239347077618?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Seriously. Be warned. It’s actually quite disturbing (but it is just a face in case the mods are worried)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 29,641
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So basically the USA has abandoned the rule of law and it’s now just two tribes trying to win so they can pardon their own and persecute the other side, and the Democrats are easily as bad as the Republicans - arguably worse because more pious and hypocritical - and that’s all fine because muh Trump?
    It's been going on for years. Ford pardoned Nixon. Reagan's team delayed the Iranian hostage release and, well, Iran-Contra. Too many Americans regard the other side as so dangerous that (almost) anything goes.

    By coincidence (or not) YouTube's algorithm today served up 30 seconds of Reagan's inaugural remarks on the peaceful transfer of power.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gaKwr0b1Cnc
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,141

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Has PB covered the explosion in PIP and sickness benefits since 2015?

    Apparently those in receipt are exempt from the income limits pertaining to spousal immigration, too.

    Give people the chance to grift, and many will take it.
    Seemingly so, according to that damning HoL report.

    Like so many issues with the British state, it seems to have started mid-2010s and then exploded via Covid.
    It was hugely disappointing to me, just how badly the Conservatives performed in areas that should be Conservative strengths (immigration and border control, defence, justice, control of spending). They preferred to shout ineffectually.
    One word: Brexit.
    Two words: Brexit and Boris.

    Hollowed out and debauched the entire governing apparatus.
    That’s an insufficient explanation if the benefits system failures date back to Cameron.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,961
    ..

    Selebian said:

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    I'm obviously ignorant - who is the chap on the left (as you look)?
    Husband, maybe - looks a bit like him at least. Could be entirely wrong!
    Why would your husband be in Washington with Suella and Nigel?
    That Nick Palmer has a lot to answer for.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 30,562

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So the Democrats should follow suit?
    In anticipation of vexatious prosecutions against Trump's personal foes, for example several Republicans like Milley I am comfortable with that. If you want Democrat pardoning misbehaviour Clinton pardoning the USA's biggest white collar criminals Marc Rich and Pinky Green was unforgivable.
    I am not interested in partisan politics here, and am no “Democrat”. Clinton was indeed some kind of crook, and a lech besides.

    I’m interested in the direct example set by Biden (or the people who now prop up Biden) and how it will be instrumentalised by Trump.

    US democracy is being enfeebled in real time (we barely discussed the meme coin), and it’s astonishing to see how poorly the Dems have responded to it.
    Would Fauci and Milley going to jail make you feel more comfortable? At least Biden can do some bird for "stealing the election" 4 years ago.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 75,197

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    It wasn't understandable, it was disgraceful.
    What bollocks bearing in mind what Trump previously did regarding pardons and intends to do to the January 6th rioters later on today. The pre emptive pardons will not set a precedent, he would do what he liked regardless.
    So the Democrats should follow suit?
    In anticipation of vexatious prosecutions against Trump's personal foes, for example several Republicans like Milley I am comfortable with that. If you want Democrat pardoning misbehaviour Clinton pardoning the USA's biggest white collar criminals Marc Rich and Pinky Green was unforgivable.
    I am not interested in partisan politics here, and am no “Democrat”. Clinton was indeed some kind of crook, and a lech besides.

    I’m interested in the direct example set by Biden (or the people who now prop up Biden) and how it will be instrumentalised by Trump.

    US democracy is being enfeebled in real time (we barely discussed the meme coin), and it’s astonishing to see how poorly the Dems have responded to it.
    I suppose Biden has done the Dems a service in one respect - they are going to have to have a serious clear our of the old guard, after the debacle of the last few months.

    Has any President quite so tarnished his legacy on the very last day of his presidency ?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,118
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Driver said:


    Kyle Griffin
    @kylegriffin1.bsky.social‬

    Follow
    BREAKING: President Biden just pardoned:

    * General Mark Milley
    * Dr. Anthony Fauci
    * Jan. 6 Committee members of Congress and staffers
    * The police officers who testified before the Jan. 6 Committee

    Biden says these pardons are not an acknowledgment of wrongdoing.

    MRDA.

    Biden just admitted that Fauci fucked up over the pan(dem)ic.
    It’s quite extraordinary. “Yeah so what fauci lied about lab leak anyway now he’s PRE EMPTIVELY PARDONED”

    What? Of everything? Of misleading the world about a plague that killed 20 millions? Of funding the research that led to that plague?

    Nothing has so unbecome Biden in office as the way he has departed it. All this and Hunter too
    The Hunter pardon was pretty foolish, but was just about understandable from a parent.
    He's not a politician, and he's been pursued in a manner completely unprecedented for what were fairly minor crimes, with every indication that would carry on post election.

    These pre-emptive pardons, though, set a terrible precedent, which no doubt Trump will turbocharge in due course.
    Pre-emptive pardons are wrong.

    Sometimes you have to do what is right, even if it is difficult. Democracy and the rights and greetings under the law they were enjoy on the West only came to be because of brave people in the past who chose to do what was right rather than what was easy.

    This move by Biden will have terrible consequences.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 18,318

    The new Dr Who reboot absolutely sucks.


    Still not worse than anything Chris Chibnall wrote.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,137
    Leon said:

    If you want to avoid nightmares, don’t look at this recently released mugshot of the Southport murderer

    If you can capture evil in a photograph they did it

    https://x.com/mennewsdesk/status/1881336239347077618?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Seriously. Be warned. It’s actually quite disturbing (but it is just a face in case the mods are worried)

    BBC have it too (now, anyway)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,049
    Driver said:

    Driver said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Former M&S boss says working from home is ‘not doing proper work’
    WFH has harmed employee productivity, says Stuart Rose, who was also executive chair of Asda"

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jan/20/working-from-home-not-doing-proper-work-stuart-rose

    I WFH all but one day a month. He's not wrong. Some things I have to be in the office to do a decent job of, and most things I can do a decent job at home but would need to be in the office to do a good job.
    Management: WFH bad, offshoring good.
    Workers: WFH good, offshoring bad.

    As someone WFH since 2012, here are three observations.
    1. One of the reasons WFH is better is management obsession with open plan offices and cubicles made office work harder than it needs to be.
    2. Bringing in new team members is hard to do remotely.
    3. Some people do take the piss, whether at home or at the office.
    The major thing driving workers liking WFH is, I rather suspect, that commuting absolutely sucks. Especially around big cities - it was one of the main reasons I left London. Maybe there needs to be a shift to paying for commuting time.
    Then the calculation becomes "workers get some things done better in offices than at home, is that worth the 10-20 percent more it would cost to pay them to get in little metal boxes on wheels to travel from home to work?"

    (At which point I start thinking of the Martians/Robots from the old "For mash, get Smash" adverts.)

    That, plus the cost of owning/renting and maintaining the office buildings adds up to an awfully big productivity boost needed.
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