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  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,517
    edited December 2024
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 626
    edited December 2024
    Dopermean said:

    Teachers pocket £31k tax-free cash for house deposits
    Taxpayers foot £196m funding bill as trainees flee the profession – and the country
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/teachers-pocket-31k-tax-free-cash-for-house-deposits/ (£££)

    This is about the Get Into Teaching scheme bursaries.

    Conservative government handed out taxpayers' cash with no due diligence to the benefit of fraudsters isn't news.
    Just surprising that it was only £196m unlike the £bns related to Covid.
    Where were the Taxpayers Alliance when Covid PPE, BBL and "eat out to help out" were being roundly abused?
    Too busy filling out their online forms in their local restaurant no doubt.
  • CLANG!

    The poll is out of date!

    London Overground is now:

    Liberty Line
    Lioness Line
    Mildmay Line
    Suffragette Line
    Weaver Line
    Windrush Line
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    Miliband plots tech-led private nuclear power boom in Britain
    Energy Secretary opens door to privately-financed projects amid race to build mini reactors

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/06/miliband-plots-tech-led-private-nuclear-power-boom-britain/ (£££)

    To be blantantly clear Mr Miliband, this is UK v US v China, and you have the opportunity to back the UK candidate unequivocally with a state order.

    There’s very occasionally some times when government needs to pick winners, and this is one of them.
  • Margaret Thatcher’s desk sells for 30 times its estimate
    Desk on which the former prime minister wrote a lot of her speeches while in opposition goes for £60,000 in auction of her personal items

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/06/margaret-thatcher-desk-sells-for-30-times-its-estimate/ (£££)

    Does anyone have a desk-shaped parcel under their tree?

    Boris ?

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She really is desperately bad.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,701
    RobD said:

    So what is the Elizabeth Line doing that the others aren't doing and why not?

    It’s being new.
    Also @Casino_Royale built it.
  • viewcode said:

    The Liz Line and Overground are not tube lines. They are part of the big railway. Whatever BS TfL try to say to the contrary.

    Indeed. Geoff Marshall insists that Liz/crossrail is not a Tube line

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hyfcFJ7SS4
    The central London section and the Heathrow section ain't Cut and Cover!
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,991

    Miliband plots tech-led private nuclear power boom in Britain
    Energy Secretary opens door to privately-financed projects amid race to build mini reactors

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/06/miliband-plots-tech-led-private-nuclear-power-boom-britain/ (£££)

    That has fiasco written all over it.
    What makes you say that?

    Having just read Ed Miliband's speech from yesterday on nuclear power, I don't see anything particularly alarming. It's perhaps frustrating that the pace of decision-making on SMRs is a bit slow, but the intent to do the necessary things is there.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/nuclear-2024-conference-energy-secretary-speech
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,931
    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    London is getting worse
    Goodbye to the good-time capital
    6 December 2024, 5:00am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    I think he's following Owen Jones' lead.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/25/night-clubs-nightlife-britain-pandemic-close
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,517

    Andy_JS said:

    The nickname of the Waterloo and City line is The Drain.

    What I find amazing is how they get the tube trains into and out of it. Originally there was a hydraulic lift; this was in the way of the Eurostar terminal and was removed. Now they just crane them in and out of a big shaft nearby.
    Oddly enough the Glasgow system began with a crane till a modernisation some years back when they installed a proper ramp to the depot upstairs.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    London is getting worse
    Goodbye to the good-time capital
    6 December 2024, 5:00am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    How can he know? He hardly spends any time here :lol:
  • Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,940

    CLANG!

    The poll is out of date!

    London Overground is now:

    Liberty Line
    Lioness Line
    Mildmay Line
    Suffragette Line
    Weaver Line
    Windrush Line

    Laughing stock mainly.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,931

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    Out of interest how much do you earn as her diary secretary?
  • Margaret Thatcher’s desk sells for 30 times its estimate
    Desk on which the former prime minister wrote a lot of her speeches while in opposition goes for £60,000 in auction of her personal items

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/06/margaret-thatcher-desk-sells-for-30-times-its-estimate/ (£££)

    Does anyone have a desk-shaped parcel under their tree?

    Boris ?

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She really is desperately bad.
    I do not think she is your target audience, but at least she is - 6 to Starmer - 32 so if she is bad what does it say about Starmer

    2 more conservative gains last night and Labour losing 31.1% of their vote in the local in Cardiff last night might tell you something
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,991

    This islamist militia moving across Syria seems to be bad news.

    According to the BBC, the genesis of HTS is linked to Al-Queda, Al-Nusra and Bagdadi.

    That is their genesis, but I allow people the potential to change and judge them on their actions.

    So far they've done quite well in negotiating with disparate communities within the area of their advance, and I haven't seen any evidence of abuse of minorities. It's early days, but it looks very different to the Taliban's takeover in Afghanistan.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,048
    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He stops work at 5pm on a Friday, remember.
  • Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    On this forum we seek sources so please provide your link to your accusations or be seen as a ludicrous no 10 sycophant
  • The Liz Line and Overground are not tube lines.

    The Lizzie Line is in a deep-level TUBE, yes TUBE, line between just east of Westbourne Park sidings and just west of Stratford or Custom House, and again between just west of the site of North Woolwich and just east of Plumstead.
  • Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,931

    Margaret Thatcher’s desk sells for 30 times its estimate
    Desk on which the former prime minister wrote a lot of her speeches while in opposition goes for £60,000 in auction of her personal items

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/06/margaret-thatcher-desk-sells-for-30-times-its-estimate/ (£££)

    Does anyone have a desk-shaped parcel under their tree?

    Boris ?

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She really is desperately bad.
    I do not think she is your target audience, but at least she is - 6 to Starmer - 32 so if she is bad what does it say about Starmer

    2 more conservative gains last night and Labour losing 31.1% of their vote in the local in Cardiff last night might tell you something
    The Tories got 60 votes out of an electorate over 10,000 in Splott. Even Reform got 271. Propel seem to have done something similar to to Plaid Cymru.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
  • So what is the Elizabeth Line doing that the others aren't doing and why not?

    (a) It's not a tube line at all.
    What is it? Cut and Cover?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,517

    Specially for @Luckyguy1983 - a play about Ms Truss' salad days. Sounds as if the playwright did a decent job.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/dec/06/the-last-days-of-liz-truss-review-white-bear-london
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,193
    edited December 2024

    My favourite tube lines are the ones in Moscow. I wouldn't use them now but they really are very nice. i quite like Glasgow's too.

    Gant's Hill is designed like a Moscow station. It is yards from Wes Streeting's constituency office. During the war, it was used as an underground aircraft electronics factory. Recently, altering the roundabout above the station was delayed by undocumented reinforced concrete to protect said factory. (That's enough Gant's Hill facts – Ed.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RJImB0Gjos (3 minutes)

    My local station, Gants Hill, glittering jewel of da North Ilford Ghetto!
  • Miliband plots tech-led private nuclear power boom in Britain
    Energy Secretary opens door to privately-financed projects amid race to build mini reactors

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/06/miliband-plots-tech-led-private-nuclear-power-boom-britain/ (£££)

    That has fiasco written all over it.
    What makes you say that?

    Having just read Ed Miliband's speech from yesterday on nuclear power, I don't see anything particularly alarming. It's perhaps frustrating that the pace of decision-making on SMRs is a bit slow, but the intent to do the necessary things is there.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/nuclear-2024-conference-energy-secretary-speech
    Ed Miliband disproves the Starmer/Cummings thesis that the Civil Service blocks action. Apparently all it takes is a minister with a policy, as opposed to a minister with a slogan. See also Louise Haigh. I'd back Ed to replace Starmer but no-one has priced up the former leader.
  • Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    London is getting worse
    Goodbye to the good-time capital
    6 December 2024, 5:00am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    How can he know? He hardly spends any time here :lol:
    A free to read article..😚 So must be highly informative..😏🧐
  • Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    The Mirror reports sending Prince William was a panic decision once they realised Trump was coming.

    Prince William's urgent foreign trip to Notre-Dame after being asked by UK Government
    It has been announced that Prince William will be travelling to Paris tomorrow to attend the grand reopening of Notre-Dame Cathedral, at the request of the UK government, which is also being attended by Donald Trump

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-prince-williams-urgent-foreign-34262607
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 33,004
    Crossover has already occurred with the "lay" section of the odds, not yet with the "bet" section.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/en/politics/uk-next-prime-minister/prime-minister-after-keir-starmer-betting-1.230434795
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117
    edited December 2024

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    The Mirror reports sending Prince William was a panic decision once they realised Trump was coming.

    Prince William's urgent foreign trip to Notre-Dame after being asked by UK Government
    It has been announced that Prince William will be travelling to Paris tomorrow to attend the grand reopening of Notre-Dame Cathedral, at the request of the UK government, which is also being attended by Donald Trump

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/breaking-prince-williams-urgent-foreign-34262607
    But is that a panicked decision to send someone, or a panicked decision to avoid the PM going?

    Very different optics.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,450
    edited December 2024
    @Malmesbury.

    Saw this. Thought of you.

    The Cult of Failing Upwards | Better Offline
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQNO1h2ZCoo
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,403
    edited December 2024
    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,804
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
  • I thought Badenoch wanted to get away from the "offense" stuff?

    It seems like it's fine to pull people up, as long as they are your political opponents.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,450

    I thought Badenoch wanted to get away from the "offense" stuff?

    It seems like it's fine to pull people up, as long as they are your political opponents.

    Unless she starts pulling something out of the bag reasonably quickly, culture war stuff may well be all she has. I thought she may have something in her "conservatism in crisis" document, but she seems to have forgotten it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,075
    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    So the British PM should be avoiding the US president-elect, rather than speaking to him as much as possible?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,975

    My favourite tube lines are the ones in Moscow. I wouldn't use them now but they really are very nice. i quite like Glasgow's too.

    At least there's very little danger of being pushed out of a window.
  • We must ban TikTok immediately.
  • viewcode said:

    I thought Badenoch wanted to get away from the "offense" stuff?

    It seems like it's fine to pull people up, as long as they are your political opponents.

    Unless she starts pulling something out of the bag reasonably quickly, culture war stuff may well be all she has. I thought she may have something in her "conservatism in crisis" document, but she seems to have forgotten it.
    I really want to give her a fair hearing as I am open to voting for them in 2029 assuming Labour doesn't overhaul planning or build some houses (my personal metrics for success) but she is making it very difficult, very early.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,075

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,975
    Carnyx said:


    Specially for @Luckyguy1983 - a play about Ms Truss' salad days. Sounds as if the playwright did a decent job.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/dec/06/the-last-days-of-liz-truss-review-white-bear-london

    Desperate wank fodder for centrists, transporting them to a time before Starmer came in and 'grown ups are back in the room' wasn't a punchline.
  • I think by this time in 2026, either Starmer will have recovered some popularity or he will be replaced by Wes Streeting.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    LOL, so who’s actually in charge?

    Cummings was right, and so is Ramaswarmy in the US.
  • MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
    If you think New Labour had SpAds all over Whitehall because they thought the Civil Service was leftist, well...

    Both parties think Yes Minister was a documentary and the Civil Service is 50 per cent obstructionist and 50 per cent placemen from the previous government.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,804
    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    So the British PM should be avoiding the US president-elect, rather than speaking to him as much as possible?
    Yes exactly. When you have a powerful malevolent bully on the scene it's best if people don't get pulled in. Each individual effort to suck up for influence can appear rational in isolation but the aggregate impact is negative for everyone but the bully.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,975
    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    LOL, so who’s actually in charge?

    Cummings was right, and so is Ramaswarmy in the US.
    "Pull the plug on him" - I have no words.
  • MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
    Pestin the client journalist just making himself look ever more stupid.

    Some Civil Servants unhappy, some actually admitting they need a kick up the ass.

    The experienced large Dept management experience he has will serve him well.

    Sometimes playing bad cop works, the we'll show him attitude, if some throw their toys out of the pram, it's not as if there isn't slack.

    Clearly some dinosaurs and prehistoric attitudes need to be obliterated.

    It's a positive not a negative that he's kicking ass
  • viewcode said:

    I thought Badenoch wanted to get away from the "offense" stuff?

    It seems like it's fine to pull people up, as long as they are your political opponents.

    Unless she starts pulling something out of the bag reasonably quickly, culture war stuff may well be all she has. I thought she may have something in her "conservatism in crisis" document, but she seems to have forgotten it.
    I really want to give her a fair hearing as I am open to voting for them in 2029 assuming Labour doesn't overhaul planning or build some houses (my personal metrics for success) but she is making it very difficult, very early.
    She's fundamentally work shy, lazy and has a huge chip on her shoulder.

    Those are the views of some Tories who gave refused to work with her.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
    Pestin the client journalist just making himself look ever more stupid.

    Some Civil Servants unhappy, some actually admitting they need a kick up the ass.

    The experienced large Dept management experience he has will serve him well.

    Sometimes playing bad cop works, the we'll show him attitude, if some throw their toys out of the pram, it's not as if there isn't slack.

    Clearly some dinosaurs and prehistoric attitudes need to be obliterated.

    It's a positive not a negative that he's kicking ass
    How many asses have actually being kicked?

    He may talk a good lawyer’s game about kicking ass, nudge nudge wink wink, but actually kicking the ass is what’s important.
  • kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    So the British PM should be avoiding the US president-elect, rather than speaking to him as much as possible?
    Yes exactly. When you have a powerful malevolent bully on the scene it's best if people don't get pulled in. Each individual effort to suck up for influence can appear rational in isolation but the aggregate impact is negative for everyone but the bully.
    A Trump meeting might also be diplomatically awkward while Joe Biden is still President.
  • kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    Erm hasn't he already met him.

    No point again until February.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,804
    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    LOL, so who’s actually in charge?

    Cummings was right, and so is Ramaswarmy in the US.
    That's a lot to read into a Friday night Robert Peston tweet.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,804

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    Erm hasn't he already met him.

    No point again until February.
    He has yes. Ought to suffice, I'd have thought.
  • Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    G7 G20 Cop are important

    Is the reopening of Notre Dam important?

    He's met Trump recently.

    Are you serious suggesting every time the Orange one lands on Europe that the UK PM should chase him like a fecking poodle.

    NO NO NO

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    One for @Leon
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 722
    Foxy said:

    Baker Street? Where you change from pink to brown, or vice versa?

    Very good @TSE

    That sounds like a Jimmy Carr joke...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,804

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    Forgive me for thinking that meeting with the US president-elect should be right at the top of the PM’s priorities right now.
    Absolutely not. Stay well clear.
    So the British PM should be avoiding the US president-elect, rather than speaking to him as much as possible?
    Yes exactly. When you have a powerful malevolent bully on the scene it's best if people don't get pulled in. Each individual effort to suck up for influence can appear rational in isolation but the aggregate impact is negative for everyone but the bully.
    A Trump meeting might also be diplomatically awkward while Joe Biden is still President.
    Why is Trump even there? Is Macron attempting that "butter up and impress" nonsense again? Are we going to see a rerun of the ludicrous marathon macho-man handshake contest? Oh god.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,501
    MaxPB said:

    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.

    Would be a fairly hard blow to a London tech scene that's already not in great health - Bytedance are one of the very few big employers outside of finance willing to pay anything similar to Bay Area salaries.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,209

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    It is to be attended by heads of state, since when was Starmer our head of state? William is attending on behalf of his father the King.

    Trump is attending as he is US head of state elect
  • AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.

    Would be a fairly hard blow to a London tech scene that's already not in great health - Bytedance are one of the very few big employers outside of finance willing to pay anything similar to Bay Area salaries.
    Terrible working conditions though, I've had two friends resign because of the stress.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,209
    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
    Since when has UK productivity depended on civil service productivity rather then private sector productivity?

    The top ranks of the civil service has always been full of Sir Humphreys
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 722

    Margaret Thatcher’s desk sells for 30 times its estimate
    Desk on which the former prime minister wrote a lot of her speeches while in opposition goes for £60,000 in auction of her personal items

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/06/margaret-thatcher-desk-sells-for-30-times-its-estimate/ (£££)

    Does anyone have a desk-shaped parcel under their tree?

    Boris ?

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She really is desperately bad.
    I do not think she is your target audience, but at least she is - 6 to Starmer - 32 so if she is bad what does it say about Starmer

    2 more conservative gains last night and Labour losing 31.1% of their vote in the local in Cardiff last night might tell you something
    The Tories got 60 votes out of an electorate over 10,000 in Splott. Even Reform got 271. Propel seem to have done something similar to to Plaid Cymru.
    We should probably start counting Tory votes in Wales as spoiled votes.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,701
    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    London is getting worse
    Goodbye to the good-time capital
    6 December 2024, 5:00am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    I'm not some kind of sicko, so I'm obviously not going to click on that link, but when I was last in London at the beginning of November, it was significantly better than during the Summer.

    Now, I should caveat this. My London flat is on Shaftesbury Avenue, so the London I see most is between Holborn, Covent Garden and Soho.

    From 2022 to the summer of 2024, the area around my apartment was on a steady downward trend. The homeless heroin, crack and crystal meth addicts (who often also suffered from a whole host mental afflictions) proliferated. During the summer, leaving out apartment building, we'd regularly have to ask the crack smoking homeless to please move.

    It felt increasingly unsafe.

    Last month, it was like a light switch had been thrown. Never once did I need to step over a homeless person when entering the building. I wasn't aggressively hassled for money. The area had been dramatically cleaned up, and that had a knock on positive impact on the local pubs and restaurants where -despite the weather- large crowds milled outside.

    Perhaps the homeless heroin addicts got moved on, and headed up to Sean Thomas's part of the world.

    But irrespective, London felt to me safer and cleaner than it had done at any time in the post-Covid world. (And, of course, we now have the Elizabeth Line which whisks me to Heathrow in 35 minutes from Tottenham Court Road tube station, meaning I can leave my apartment just two hours before my flight to LA.)
    Starmer spent 250 million on homelessness in the Budget.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,193
    edited December 2024
    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    Wrong tunnel!

    The Rotherhithe is a road tunnel. The tunnel you're thinking of is the Thames Tunnel, between Wapping and Rotherhithe, built as a foot tunnel by the Brunels upon opening in 1843, but converted to railway use in 1869. For years it was part of the East London Railway and then the East London Line, now it's part of the Windrush Line.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Tunnel
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117
    Penddu2 said:

    Foxy said:

    Baker Street? Where you change from pink to brown, or vice versa?

    Very good @TSE

    That sounds like a Jimmy Carr joke...
    Nah. Jimmy Carr would be funny.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,307
    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
  • AlsoLeiAlsoLei Posts: 1,501

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.

    Would be a fairly hard blow to a London tech scene that's already not in great health - Bytedance are one of the very few big employers outside of finance willing to pay anything similar to Bay Area salaries.
    Terrible working conditions though, I've had two friends resign because of the stress.
    Yeah, and their pay for more senior roles isn't nearly so great.

    But for people in their 20s who hope to be able to get on the property ladder, there aren't really many other options out there.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,517

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    Wrong tunnel!

    The Rotherhithe is a road tunnel. The tunnel you're thinking of is the Thames Tunnel, between Wapping and Rotherhithe, built as a foot tunnel by the Brunels upon opening in 1843, but converted to railway use in 1869. For years it was part of the East London Railway and then the East London Line, now it's part of the Windrush Line.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thames_Tunnel
    Wrong *name* on my part - but yes, the TT is the one I had in mind. Many thanks.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117
    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.

    Would be a fairly hard blow to a London tech scene that's already not in great health - Bytedance are one of the very few big employers outside of finance willing to pay anything similar to Bay Area salaries.
    Because 1/3 of their workforce are Chinese spies, 1/3 are UK/US spies, and the other 1/3 are doing all the work?
  • Foxy said:

    I thought Badenoch wanted to get away from the "offense" stuff?

    It seems like it's fine to pull people up, as long as they are your political opponents.

    I think it shows how thin skinned she is. Not a good combination with her spiky nature.

    She has now accused Starmer of mansplaining and now racism, perhaps she is afflicted by this "Woke Mind Virus" that we hear so much about.
    The Prime Minister opened a big speech about his new direction for the nation with an inaccurate, dismally unfunny, and unnecessarily personal "joke" about her

    He's a Dalek Sergeant
  • I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned changing at Baker St.

    From the pink line to the brown line
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,117

    I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned changing at Baker St.

    From the pink line to the brown line

    With a saxophone solo in between!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,345
    a

    Sandpit said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Kemi is concentrating on the big issues.


    Isn't Kemi in the US meeting Trump's team ?
    She worked Tuesday night and Wednesday until 1pm

    Thats her 10 hours for the week

    Off on a weekend jolly again
    As opposed to Starmer who can’t even be arsed to go to Notre Dame tomorrow?
    He has attended every foreign event he can and sends William in his place

    Trump is attending as Macron's guest so looks as if he is avoiding meeting Trump
    G7 G20 Cop are important

    Is the reopening of Notre Dam important?

    He's met Trump recently.

    Are you serious suggesting every time the Orange one lands on Europe that the UK PM should chase him like a fecking poodle.

    NO NO NO

    Macron and the French government are treating the reopening of ND as a big occasion, both domestically and internationally - hence all the heads of state being invited.
  • rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Sean Thomas
    London is getting worse
    Goodbye to the good-time capital
    6 December 2024, 5:00am"

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/london-is-getting-worse/

    I'm not some kind of sicko, so I'm obviously not going to click on that link, but when I was last in London at the beginning of November, it was significantly better than during the Summer.

    Now, I should caveat this. My London flat is on Shaftesbury Avenue, so the London I see most is between Holborn, Covent Garden and Soho.

    From 2022 to the summer of 2024, the area around my apartment was on a steady downward trend. The homeless heroin, crack and crystal meth addicts (who often also suffered from a whole host mental afflictions) proliferated. During the summer, leaving out apartment building, we'd regularly have to ask the crack smoking homeless to please move.

    It felt increasingly unsafe.

    Last month, it was like a light switch had been thrown. Never once did I need to step over a homeless person when entering the building. I wasn't aggressively hassled for money. The area had been dramatically cleaned up, and that had a knock on positive impact on the local pubs and restaurants where -despite the weather- large crowds milled outside.

    Perhaps the homeless heroin addicts got moved on, and headed up to Sean Thomas's part of the world.

    But irrespective, London felt to me safer and cleaner than it had done at any time in the post-Covid world. (And, of course, we now have the Elizabeth Line which whisks me to Heathrow in 35 minutes from Tottenham Court Road tube station, meaning I can leave my apartment just two hours before my flight to LA.)
    Starmer spent 250 million on homelessness in the Budget.
    And quite right too.

    Leaving aside the "let's be nice to people" aspect, important though it is, having people visibly living on the streets is one of those signs of a state that has just given up. And the fix doesn't need that much money.

    It's another of those markers that, however poor this government is, it's sill better than the last one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,345
    kinabalu said:

    Sandpit said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    LOL, so who’s actually in charge?

    Cummings was right, and so is Ramaswarmy in the US.
    That's a lot to read into a Friday night Robert Peston tweet.
    Well it is Pesto.

    But I’ve encountered attitudes in people I’ve met at the Cabinet Office that are not far off that. They are the Government, and the politicians are there to get their policies through parliament.
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  • HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    https://x.com/peston/status/1865086934374084981

    Civil servants are furious with Starmer for this attack on them, and feel they’ve kept show on road in difficult circumstances over recent years. “There is a mood that we should pull the plug on him” said one. It is no coincidence therefore that Starmer has just made a statement about how much he loves Whitehall. This feels another unforced error

    Maybe the leftists who denied that the civil service think themselves to be the ones in charge will revise their positions. The Tories have contended with this attitude for 14 years, now Labour will have to deal with it and nothing will change, productivity will continue to drop and the country will decline further.
    Since when has UK productivity depended on civil service productivity rather then private sector productivity?

    The top ranks of the civil service has always been full of Sir Humphreys
    Civil servants advise, ministers decide - the third leg is civil servants action. It is this last element which is not working. Operational management is different from policy creation requiring separate structures, incentives, ways of working etc.

    Whitehall as a system needs to change to reflect the importance of operational management.
  • Carnyx said:


    Specially for @Luckyguy1983 - a play about Ms Truss' salad days. Sounds as if the playwright did a decent job.

    https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2024/dec/06/the-last-days-of-liz-truss-review-white-bear-london

    The White Bear is a great little theatre. My wife and I staged a play we wrote with some friends there a few years back. Sadly the Guardian didn't review it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,345
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    This was helped by the fact that very few non-commuters used The Drain. So 99% of the crowd would be expert Drain users.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,307
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    I've only done the W&C once. I was about 8. We were staying with my grandparents in Pinner, and my grandfather kindly condescended to take his geeky grandson for a day on the tubes. We did every line, including the W&C. We went right round the circle line. We changed at slightly obscure places outside the Circle Line like Stockwell and Mile End. We had Marmite sandwiches on the Embankment in our only bit of fresh air of the day. We returned to Pinner via the Piccadilly line, changing at Rayner's Lane and HotH.
    He was a great man.
    Anyway, the W&C was a highlight even then, and I recognise your description of the choreography.
    One of my favourite games when young was "The London Game".

    A perfect Christmas present 🎁 for train fans.

    https://amzn.eu/d/anqimMQ
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,745
    edited December 2024
    Head of civil service accuses Starmer of Trumpian language

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1865058835133550821?t=h3X1-lBFYIO5LS14hVhRnw&s=19

    Just now our mobiles have rung with a red alert

    I have never received anything like that before the
  • Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    I've only done the W&C once. I was about 8. We were staying with my grandparents in Pinner, and my grandfather kindly condescended to take his geeky grandson for a day on the tubes. We did every line, including the W&C. We went right round the circle line. We changed at slightly obscure places outside the Circle Line like Stockwell and Mile End. We had Marmite sandwiches on the Embankment in our only bit of fresh air of the day. We returned to Pinner via the Piccadilly line, changing at Rayner's Lane and HotH.
    He was a great man.
    Anyway, the W&C was a highlight even then, and I recognise your description of the choreography.
    Your grandad sounds wonderful. When I was a kid my dad and I did the whole of the Tyne and Wear Metro for my birthday treat.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,104
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    I've only done the W&C once. I was about 8. We were staying with my grandparents in Pinner, and my grandfather kindly condescended to take his geeky grandson for a day on the tubes. We did every line, including the W&C. We went right round the circle line. We changed at slightly obscure places outside the Circle Line like Stockwell and Mile End. We had Marmite sandwiches on the Embankment in our only bit of fresh air of the day. We returned to Pinner via the Piccadilly line, changing at Rayner's Lane and HotH.
    He was a great man.
    Anyway, the W&C was a highlight even then, and I recognise your description of the choreography.
    Reminiscing now. Have just worked out the route we took:
    Pinner- Baker Street (Met)
    Baker Street-Waterloo(Bakerloo)
    Waterloo-Bank(W&C)
    Bank-Mile End(Central)
    Mile End- Embankment(District)
    *Lunch*
    Embankment-Stockwell (Northern)
    Stockwell-KCSP (Victoria)
    KCSP-KCSP (Central)
    KCSP-Rayners Lane (Piccadilly)
    Rayners Lane-HotH (Met)
    HotH-Pinner (Met)

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,345
    Sandpit said:

    AlsoLei said:

    MaxPB said:

    Tiktok ban upheld by US federal court. Hopefully we follow suit asap.

    Would be a fairly hard blow to a London tech scene that's already not in great health - Bytedance are one of the very few big employers outside of finance willing to pay anything similar to Bay Area salaries.
    Because 1/3 of their workforce are Chinese spies, 1/3 are UK/US spies, and the other 1/3 are doing all the work?
    When I was contracting Douche Bank, in early 2014 and later, I told them what I thought their policy of setting up an outsourcing unit in Russia - the good developers will all be working for the FSB and the FSB works with the Thieves By Statute.

    A few month later, Russia invaded Ukraine. For one project, QA team was in Ukraine, the developers in St Petersburg. On the morning call, the QA team announced that the next code version would never pass QA... Managers were trying to find out where the source code was physically - there was a possibility that the US would pull the plug on any connection with Russia. Which would leave them without even the source code!
  • Yes, My phone has just gone off as well.

    BBC Wales are really triggering this storm warning
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,112
    It looks like it's getting close to the end of the road for Assad.

    Russia fleeing like the US did as the Taliban swept Afghanistan near their departure date.

    More fronts opening up as the Kurds gain ground in the north east new areas of resistance popping up in the south.

    Will Iran reinforce him sufficiently for him to hang on?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,338

    Head of civil service accuses Starmer of Trumpian language

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1865058835133550821?t=h3X1-lBFYIO5LS14hVhRnw&s=19

    Just now our mobiles have rung with a red alert

    I have never received anything like that before the

    I can only presume the storm cut power as you were writing that. Hope you're okay.
  • Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    I've only done the W&C once. I was about 8. We were staying with my grandparents in Pinner, and my grandfather kindly condescended to take his geeky grandson for a day on the tubes. We did every line, including the W&C. We went right round the circle line. We changed at slightly obscure places outside the Circle Line like Stockwell and Mile End. We had Marmite sandwiches on the Embankment in our only bit of fresh air of the day. We returned to Pinner via the Piccadilly line, changing at Rayner's Lane and HotH.
    He was a great man.
    Anyway, the W&C was a highlight even then, and I recognise your description of the choreography.
    Reminiscing now. Have just worked out the route we took:
    KCSP-KCSP (Central)

    Circle??
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,104
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Carnyx said:

    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Like most Londoners, I have never taken the Waterloo & City line. I must add it to my list.

    Wow that’s surprising, because I’m one of those who’ve taken the Drain literally hundreds of times. (But I grew up awfully close to the main line from Waterloo out to Amazingstoke).

    The only tube line with no intermediate stops.
    Nothing wrong with the L&C, far from it, but is anybody mentioning the Rotherhithe tunnel? Engrs. M.Brunel et fils. It was converted to Underground use ages ago.
    I took that with my wife in the Summer for the first time in 25 years.
    The Waterloo and City line used to be peak queuing, at the top of British performance art.

    I took it for a fortnight once when on a course in the City, and staying with my brother in Wimbledon. The commuters would line up on the platform at intervals, with gaps exactly where the doors would be when the train pulled in. The passengers would disembark, and the queue would enter in column in complete silence. It was like intuitive choreography, and pure Britishness. It was 25 years ago, so might not be like that now, but was my favourite at the time.
    I've only done the W&C once. I was about 8. We were staying with my grandparents in Pinner, and my grandfather kindly condescended to take his geeky grandson for a day on the tubes. We did every line, including the W&C. We went right round the circle line. We changed at slightly obscure places outside the Circle Line like Stockwell and Mile End. We had Marmite sandwiches on the Embankment in our only bit of fresh air of the day. We returned to Pinner via the Piccadilly line, changing at Rayner's Lane and HotH.
    He was a great man.
    Anyway, the W&C was a highlight even then, and I recognise your description of the choreography.
    One of my favourite games when young was "The London Game".

    A perfect Christmas present 🎁 for train fans.

    https://amzn.eu/d/anqimMQ
    I've got that! Also, from the same stable, the Great Game of Britain. The version I have (from about 1984) had a reversible board with one side set in the steam era and the other in the modern day. The modern one played better, in my opinion.
    "You are tired of the crowds. Go to John O'Groats and stay there for two turns. Station: Thurso."
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,307
    edited December 2024
    Amazing scenes from Syria on C4 news. Looks like Assad regime collapsing.

    I asked a Syrian colleague about it (no Assad fan - some of his cousins were gassed by Bashir), he didn't sound very keen on this rebel group either.
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