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  • An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Your prison is walking through this world all alone ... without even a cat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    edited December 1
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the guys who want to abolish regulation.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly intends to require Coca-Cola to begin using Cane Sugar instead of High-Fructose Syrup as HHS Secretary.
    https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1862630636126687702

    Note that the HFCS used in Coke is barely different in chemical terms from cane sugar extract. They're both around 50/50 fructose/glucose.

    Coke (including the diet version, though that's nit quite as bad) is just bad for you, and will be just as bad after Kennedy's bit of nonsense.

    The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse than cane sugar; it's that the US food industry put it in almost everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating on iPlayer is very good on how the food industry has very carefully made food irresistible, so we'll buy more, with the result that obesity and diabetes levels are soaring.

    What it doesn't do is note that this is the result of capitalism. Companies use modern techniques to maximise profits and, too often, care little about the consequences. The question is how do we balance the good parts of capitalism with these excesses. The programme does talk about possible government regulation around food, drawing inspiration from Latin American policies like clear labelling and taxes on ultraprocessed food. I'd like to see politicians make that case more widely.
    The rules about corporations effectively guarantee that they act like sociopaths, caring only about their own interests rather than wider society. It's a fundamental flaw in the system.
    That’s organisations.

    Remember when an NHS trust reacted to reports of aged patients drinking water out of flower vases? They reacted by trying to scapegoat anyone who spoke out.

    The Post Office is a quasi-governmental organisation.

    The list of examples is endless.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Your prison is walking through this world all alone ... without even a cat.
    Yes, but unlike you I know what it means - to walk along the lonely street of dreams

    And I’ve made up my mind, I’m not wasting my time on another rhyme, if I see dog I’ll eat it
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    IDK, I feel like Georgian politicians would do really well in the West.

    Three days ago Georgia’s Prime Minister announced he was suspending accession talks with the European Union until the end of 2028...

    But when I asked Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze if he could understand the public anger, his response was he never said that.

    He’s on camera, though, having said it. And the European Union heard him say it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgkggx997zt
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    And yet when you looked back, there was PB's footprints as well.
  • Leon said:

    It was a clever move by Gregg Wallace to hire Prince Andrew’s media team to handle the kerfuffle of accusations

    I don't get how hard it is to comprehend the axiom "when in a hole, stop digging".

    Insulting your accusers is never going to go well.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    edited December 1
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the guys who want to abolish regulation.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly intends to require Coca-Cola to begin using Cane Sugar instead of High-Fructose Syrup as HHS Secretary.
    https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1862630636126687702

    Note that the HFCS used in Coke is barely different in chemical terms from cane sugar extract. They're both around 50/50 fructose/glucose.

    Coke (including the diet version, though that's nit quite as bad) is just bad for you, and will be just as bad after Kennedy's bit of nonsense.

    The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse than cane sugar; it's that the US food industry put it in almost everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating on iPlayer is very good on how the food industry has very carefully made food irresistible, so we'll buy more, with the result that obesity and diabetes levels are soaring.

    What it doesn't do is note that this is the result of capitalism. Companies use modern techniques to maximise profits and, too often, care little about the consequences. The question is how do we balance the good parts of capitalism with these excesses. The programme does talk about possible government regulation around food, drawing inspiration from Latin American policies like clear labelling and taxes on ultraprocessed food. I'd like to see politicians make that case more widely.
    The rules about corporations effectively guarantee that they act like sociopaths, caring only about their own interests rather than wider society. It's a fundamental flaw in the system.
    Wouldn't it only be a fundamental flaw were it not recognised, broadly, that you cannot have them be entirely unconstrained?

    We argue over how much governments should intervene and regulate, but most people would accept corporations cannot be left entirely to their own devices, to ensure they do more good than harm. And that response is part of the system.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,471


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    More nepotism and corruption in the Trump administration.

    Donald Trump just announced that Massad Boulos , a Lebanese-born businessman and Tiffany Trump’s father-in-law will be appointed as a senior advisor for the Middle East:

    “He has been a longtime proponent of Republican and Conservative values, an asset to my Campaign,” says Trump.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1863255682306212274

    Does Trump's entire government consist of his own relatives and people he has seen on telly?
    Yes, which is why he's just invited Gregg Wallace to join his government. His type of bloke, apparently.
  • kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the guys who want to abolish regulation.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly intends to require Coca-Cola to begin using Cane Sugar instead of High-Fructose Syrup as HHS Secretary.
    https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1862630636126687702

    Note that the HFCS used in Coke is barely different in chemical terms from cane sugar extract. They're both around 50/50 fructose/glucose.

    Coke (including the diet version, though that's nit quite as bad) is just bad for you, and will be just as bad after Kennedy's bit of nonsense.

    The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse than cane sugar; it's that the US food industry put it in almost everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating on iPlayer is very good on how the food industry has very carefully made food irresistible, so we'll buy more, with the result that obesity and diabetes levels are soaring.

    What it doesn't do is note that this is the result of capitalism. Companies use modern techniques to maximise profits and, too often, care little about the consequences. The question is how do we balance the good parts of capitalism with these excesses. The programme does talk about possible government regulation around food, drawing inspiration from Latin American policies like clear labelling and taxes on ultraprocessed food. I'd like to see politicians make that case more widely.
    The rules about corporations effectively guarantee that they act like sociopaths, caring only about their own interests rather than wider society. It's a fundamental flaw in the system.
    Wouldn't it only be a fundamental flaw were it not recognised, broadly, that you cannot have them be entirely unconstrained?

    We argue over how much governments should intervene and regulate, but most people would accept corporations cannot be left entirely to their own devices, to ensure they do more good than harm. And that response is part of the system.
    The bigger problem is state-run organisations that effectively are left to their own devices with no competition and accountability.

    NHS, Post Office etc
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,744
    kle4 said:

    IDK, I feel like Georgian politicians would do really well in the West.

    Three days ago Georgia’s Prime Minister announced he was suspending accession talks with the European Union until the end of 2028...

    But when I asked Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze if he could understand the public anger, his response was he never said that.

    He’s on camera, though, having said it. And the European Union heard him say it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgkggx997zt

    You can just blame AI now, or something
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,442

    Leon said:

    It was a clever move by Gregg Wallace to hire Prince Andrew’s media team to handle the kerfuffle of accusations

    I don't get how hard it is to comprehend the axiom "when in a hole, stop digging".

    Insulting your accusers is never going to go well.
    Most of the great monsters in history have learned, early on, that the rules that might apply to others don't apply to them. Every time they get away with stuff reinforces that belief. Sometimes that reinforcement goes on over decades.

    That's why resetting the rules, even when they were really there all along, is so traumatic.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,805
    edited December 1
    Leon said:

    It was a clever move by Gregg Wallace to hire Prince Andrew’s media team to handle the kerfuffle of accusations

    If he's lost even your sympathy it really is game over for him.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the guys who want to abolish regulation.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly intends to require Coca-Cola to begin using Cane Sugar instead of High-Fructose Syrup as HHS Secretary.
    https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1862630636126687702

    Note that the HFCS used in Coke is barely different in chemical terms from cane sugar extract. They're both around 50/50 fructose/glucose.

    Coke (including the diet version, though that's nit quite as bad) is just bad for you, and will be just as bad after Kennedy's bit of nonsense.

    The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse than cane sugar; it's that the US food industry put it in almost everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating on iPlayer is very good on how the food industry has very carefully made food irresistible, so we'll buy more, with the result that obesity and diabetes levels are soaring.

    What it doesn't do is note that this is the result of capitalism. Companies use modern techniques to maximise profits and, too often, care little about the consequences. The question is how do we balance the good parts of capitalism with these excesses. The programme does talk about possible government regulation around food, drawing inspiration from Latin American policies like clear labelling and taxes on ultraprocessed food. I'd like to see politicians make that case more widely.
    The rules about corporations effectively guarantee that they act like sociopaths, caring only about their own interests rather than wider society. It's a fundamental flaw in the system.
    Wouldn't it only be a fundamental flaw were it not recognised, broadly, that you cannot have them be entirely unconstrained?

    We argue over how much governments should intervene and regulate, but most people would accept corporations cannot be left entirely to their own devices, to ensure they do more good than harm. And that response is part of the system.
    The bigger problem is state-run organisations that effectively are left to their own devices with no competition and accountability.

    NHS, Post Office etc
    I wouldn’t say it is bigger. It is just the same.

    No matter the alleged piety of the organisation, the same things happen.

    Consider the reaction of just about every organised religion to the problem of sexual abuse within the organisation.

    Or the reaction of charities saving lives in the third world to abuse committed by their staff. On an industrial scale.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,934


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    More nepotism and corruption in the Trump administration.

    Donald Trump just announced that Massad Boulos , a Lebanese-born businessman and Tiffany Trump’s father-in-law will be appointed as a senior advisor for the Middle East:

    “He has been a longtime proponent of Republican and Conservative values, an asset to my Campaign,” says Trump.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1863255682306212274

    Does Trump's entire government consist of his own relatives and people he has seen on telly?
    You think anyone else would take a job?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    More nepotism and corruption in the Trump administration.

    Donald Trump just announced that Massad Boulos , a Lebanese-born businessman and Tiffany Trump’s father-in-law will be appointed as a senior advisor for the Middle East:

    “He has been a longtime proponent of Republican and Conservative values, an asset to my Campaign,” says Trump.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1863255682306212274

    Does Trump's entire government consist of his own relatives and people he has seen on telly?
    Also a lot of his personal lawyers !
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Penddu2 said:

    AlsoLei said:

    mwadams said:

    MattW said:

    We need to rearm, I'm afraid.

    Preparing for a war is the best way to stop a war from ever happening.

    I'm very inclined to agree there, that yes we do need to rearm in significant measure.

    I'd quite appreciate a header, comparing rearmament in the 1930s vs now, with costs and with respect to the economic background. I'll make this chart of Defence Expenditure from 1900 to present. It's a surprise how low it was right up to 1914, and ramping up in the 1930s was a little earlier - from around 1936.

    But the numbers are deceptive due to the British Empire being dominant in the world economy in the early years (from WIki - 1870: 24%; 1913: 20%, USA: 9% and 19%), as the USA has been recently - whilst also being in relative decline.


    I do think we need to be "correctly armed". Which, AFAICT means determining what we can possibly do independently (i.e. what we actually need to defend our own population; mainly anti-drone and missile tech), what we want to stockpile to support others on actual frontlines (artillery, air defence, medium range missile systems) and what forces we will need to act in concert with various permutations of allies to be able to put a coherent army into the field that is a serious deterrent to conventional attack of those allies.

    In the current climate most of that hinges on what close cooperation we can develop with Poland, France, and the Scandinavian/Baltics countries.
    The new government is gearing up for a new Strategic Defence Review process, which should give us a better basis for discussion.

    The last one, published in March 2021 (after having been delayed for over a year by Brexit and the pandemic) was outdated almost from the start, and has been revised piecemeal since then to account for the changed threat environment with Russia and Iran coming to the fore and our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    I do think we need to be very sceptical about some of our current spending - are our aircraft carriers really worth it if we're worried primarily about Russia and their proxies? Would the £1bn or so that we pay each year just to keep them floating not be better spent on the likes of NCSA, or on turning the NPSA into a real agency rather than a slightly-pathetic front for the Security Service?
    You surrender the carriers you end, in one fell swoop, any ability of ours to launch an expeditionary operation worldwide.

    No.
    But why would you want to..?
    You never have to come up with a reason for a war. The other side does that for you. You just have to be prepared.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,053
    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Do you ever wish your were sharing your travels with someone else, or do you prefer to travel alone?


    Republicans against Trump
    @RpsAgainstTrump

    More nepotism and corruption in the Trump administration.

    Donald Trump just announced that Massad Boulos , a Lebanese-born businessman and Tiffany Trump’s father-in-law will be appointed as a senior advisor for the Middle East:

    “He has been a longtime proponent of Republican and Conservative values, an asset to my Campaign,” says Trump.

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1863255682306212274

    Does Trump's entire government consist of his own relatives and people he has seen on telly?
    Yes, which is why he's just invited Gregg Wallace to join his government. His type of bloke, apparently.
    Minister of Food. Does Gregg Wallace like burgers?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,807
    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Dolly Parton?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the guys who want to abolish regulation.

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. allegedly intends to require Coca-Cola to begin using Cane Sugar instead of High-Fructose Syrup as HHS Secretary.
    https://x.com/realTrumpNewsX/status/1862630636126687702

    Note that the HFCS used in Coke is barely different in chemical terms from cane sugar extract. They're both around 50/50 fructose/glucose.

    Coke (including the diet version, though that's nit quite as bad) is just bad for you, and will be just as bad after Kennedy's bit of nonsense.

    The problem with HFCS is not that it's worse than cane sugar; it's that the US food industry put it in almost everything.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0025gqs/irresistible-why-we-cant-stop-eating on iPlayer is very good on how the food industry has very carefully made food irresistible, so we'll buy more, with the result that obesity and diabetes levels are soaring.

    What it doesn't do is note that this is the result of capitalism. Companies use modern techniques to maximise profits and, too often, care little about the consequences. The question is how do we balance the good parts of capitalism with these excesses. The programme does talk about possible government regulation around food, drawing inspiration from Latin American policies like clear labelling and taxes on ultraprocessed food. I'd like to see politicians make that case more widely.
    The rules about corporations effectively guarantee that they act like sociopaths, caring only about their own interests rather than wider society. It's a fundamental flaw in the system.
    Wouldn't it only be a fundamental flaw were it not recognised, broadly, that you cannot have them be entirely unconstrained?

    We argue over how much governments should intervene and regulate, but most people would accept corporations cannot be left entirely to their own devices, to ensure they do more good than harm. And that response is part of the system.
    The bigger problem is state-run organisations that effectively are left to their own devices with no competition and accountability.

    NHS, Post Office etc
    I wouldn’t say it is bigger. It is just the same.

    No matter the alleged piety of the organisation, the same things happen.

    Consider the reaction of just about every organised religion to the problem of sexual abuse within the organisation.

    Or the reaction of charities saving lives in the third world to abuse committed by their staff. On an industrial scale.
    Yes, institutions and organisations all need some level of oversight, or at least ability to be reined in, else they destroy others, or themselves.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited December 1
    algarkirk said:

    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:
    They’d have been better sticking 2p on income tax, telling us straight what a mess we are all in, and used that shedload of money to go achieve something worthwhile.
    I make 2p on income tax as raising a little under £10bn per annum.

    AFAICS that's a scratch on the surface of what is needed in extra revenue.

    That would just about do an uptick in Defence spending to 2.5% of GDP, assuming we are starting from 2.1%.
    Yes. In very rough figures it seems to me that to be reasonably relaxed about expenditure and contingencies (there will be some) we need to either increase government income by about £100bn or decrease government commitments by about £100bn. A 70% rise in VAT might do it, or about 18p on IT. Neither are cheering prospects.

    The alternative is to carry on borrowing until UK plc belongs to Karloans and Wonga Ltd following a CCJ.

    Pick any one. I don't think others exist.
    Yes - roughly.

    Back in the summer I was posting that I reckoned they needed £50bn pa extra on top, and that there may be a windfall from reduced interest costs on the national debt.

    Looking at it now, changed circumstances, and how so much has gone to hell in a handcart over the last years, £100bn pa over time may be more like it.

    I'm thinking that Mr Starmer is wasting far too much time pandering to the potential attack lines of the rump Conservative Party.

    It's gonna be expensive. And I think they have one more year to get structural change in place leading in the direction needed.

  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 43,330
    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Your prison is walking through this world all alone ... without even a cat.
    Yes, but unlike you I know what it means - to walk along the lonely street of dreams

    And I’ve made up my mind, I’m not wasting my time on another rhyme, if I see dog I’ll eat it
    "Then the Man threw his two boots and his little stone axe (that makes three) at the Cat, and the Cat ran out of the Cave and the Dog chased him up a tree; and from that day to this, Best Beloved, three proper Men out of five will always throw things at a Cat whenever they meet him, and all proper Dogs will chase him up a tree. But the Cat keeps his side of the bargain too. He will kill mice and he will be kind to Babies when he is in the house, just as long as they do not pull his tail too hard. But when he has done that, and between times, and when the moon gets up and night comes, he is the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to him. Then he goes out to the Wet Wild Woods or up the Wet Wild Trees or on the Wet Wild Roofs, waving his wild tail and walking by his wild lone."
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    edited December 1
    @Nigelb, how does this look?

    Change this:

    THE ROLE OF THE STATE
    In my transhumanism article I made reference to the Suicide Act, one of the first liberalisation-wave laws to sever the state from the body. People have argued the case pro and con, but I don’t know anybody who made the point that the discussion should not be held in Parliament at all and that this is not something into which the State should intrude. I can think of strong arguments that it should intrude, but I would have liked to have somebody else make the case. So question 2: does the State have a role in this?


    To this:

    THE ROLE OF THE STATE
    Parliament oversees and adjust bills before they become law and holds the executive to account, but its role is not limited to that. Its brief is wide-ranging and effectively infinite: it can cover any subject it likes. But "can" is not the same as "must" or "should", and I would have liked to have seen somebody positively make the case for State intervention. So question 2: does the State have a role in this?


    Does that make things clearer?

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,694
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

    The consolation one has about this government is that, in many respects, it’s better than its predecessor.
    At least the members seem like human beings!
    IMHO, anyway.
  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    I'm neither.

    I'm certainly not a narcissistic right wing bigot either.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,609
    edited December 1

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    I'm neither.

    I'm certainly not a narcissistic right wing bigot either.
    I think you make my point perfectly
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,114
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

    Maybe we should talk about the weather?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited December 1
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote of the moment has to be: "A handful of middle-class women of a certain age".

    How to become the most unpopular and unpleasant male in one moments madness of thought
    Particularly as middle class women of a certain age are his audience, including Mrs Foxy!
    I have two thoughts.

    1 - Given that complaints go back about 15 years, it's no surprise that "of a certain applies".

    2 - A common element here is unwillingness to report problems by third party witnesses. That factor is exactly the same as ASB* and crime. The response is so far not especially different to what I tend to term the abuse scale when one mentions that someone has blocked the pavement or a crossing with their vehicle.

    He is currently at the denial or minimisation stage, moving towards blaming others.

    * I think ASB is one of the categorisations which applies here, amongst others.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,030

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

    Maybe we should talk about the weather?
    Has anyone else noticed how early it is getting dark these days?
  • Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

    Maybe we should talk about the weather?
    I'm in the basement * thinking about the Government, so unless it's a flood I can't detect the weather. I'm on top of a hill, so floods unlikely.

    * Nearly. Study with curtains and doors closed.
  • RobD said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter - born to walk alone

    Better than being in the basement thinking about the Government, like all the rest of us :smile: .

    Maybe we should talk about the weather?
    Has anyone else noticed how early it is getting dark these days?
    Only another 3 weeks then it starts getting lighter
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,268

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    "I made a promise to Sarah Beeny..."
  • The summer is just objectively better than the winter.

    Personally, I would make the clocks go forward two hours in the summer.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    There's a voice, that keeps on calling me
    Down the road, that's where I'll always be
    Every stop I make, I make a new friend
    Can't stay for long, Just turn around
    and I'm gone again
    Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down
    Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on
    Whistles the "Lonely Man" theme
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,399
    Carnyx said:

    I've just read a headline on the Sky News website that refers to a "train station".

    I despair.

    I've just read a headline on the Sky News website that refers to a "train station".

    I despair.

    You catch trains from a train... station.
    You catch trains from a railway station. A train station sounds like a section of a gymnasium.
    A train is what you catch. You don't catch a railway.
    But you don't catch crabs etc at a prophylactic station.

    (Sorry. Currently reading Ellis 'The sharp end of war' on the rather miserable and sometimes short life of the Allied squaddie in ww2.)
    Was there such a thing as an allied squaddie in the second world war? Surely American and British troops would have been armed and fed quite differently.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited December 1

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    "I made a promise to Sarah Beeny..."
    Judging by Sarah Beeny and her pastiche Georgian mini-mansion in the countryside, he doesn't need to get rid of anything.

    Her consultant played the system like a virtuoso.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Quote of the moment has to be: "A handful of middle-class women of a certain age".

    How to become the most unpopular and unpleasant male in one moments madness of thought
    Particularly as middle class women of a certain age are his audience, including Mrs Foxy!
    I have two thoughts.

    1 - Given that complaints go back about 15 years, it's no surprise that "of a certain applies".

    2 - A common element here is unwillingness to report problems by third party witnesses. That factor is exactly the same as ASB* and crime. The response is so far not especially different to what I tend to term the abuse scale when one mentions that someone has blocked the pavement or a crossing with their vehicle.

    He is currently at the denial or minimisation stage, moving towards blaming others.

    * I think ASB is one of the categorisations which applies here, amongst others.
    Typo - "of a certain age applies".
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,894

    The summer is just objectively better than the winter.

    Personally, I would make the clocks go forward two hours in the summer.

    We should build a great fleet of tugs that'd move us Northward in the Summer, and tow us back Southward in the Winter. In the Summer it could also tow us a little westwards which would obviative the need to stray from the perfection of GMT, and as a bonus keep the French well away when they're most likely to get ideas.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    There's a voice, that keeps on calling me
    Down the road, that's where I'll always be
    Every stop I make, I make a new friend
    Can't stay for long, Just turn around
    and I'm gone again
    Maybe tomorrow, I'll want to settle down
    Until tomorrow, I'll just keep moving on
    Whistles the "Lonely Man" theme
    ...I sing, trailers for sale or rent
    Rooms to let, 50 cents
    No phone, no pool, no pets
    I ain't got no cigarettes

    Ah, but, two hours of pushin' broom
    Buys an eight by twelve four-bit room
    I'm a man of means by no means
    King of the road.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    I miss the Loyd Grossman pisstake ads:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m0fdYFhvEtk
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    edited December 1
    Fucksake. Dark at HAHAHA WHO CARES I’M FLYING SOUTH
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Novo Nordisk's GLP-1 drugs Ozempic & Wegovy continue to power Denmark's economy—since late 2021, GDP growth has been 3.6%, but it would have been 0% were it not for pharmaceutical output more-than-doubling amidst booming exports to the US..
    https://x.com/JosephPolitano/status/1863259564558188886
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,082
    Omnium said:

    The summer is just objectively better than the winter.

    Personally, I would make the clocks go forward two hours in the summer.

    We should build a great fleet of tugs that'd move us Northward in the Summer, and tow us back Southward in the Winter. In the Summer it could also tow us a little westwards which would obviative the need to stray from the perfection of GMT, and as a bonus keep the French well away when they're most likely to get ideas.
    Propeller Island by Jules Verne
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Very late in life I have discovered that the cheapest wine on the wine list is nearly always entirely acceptable
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,744
    edited December 1
    Leon said:

    Fucksake. Dark at HAHAHA WHO CARES I’M FLYING SOUTH

    For the winter?

    Also, I hate winter.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Leon said:

    Fucksake. Dark at HAHAHA WHO CARES I’M FLYING SOUTH

    For the winter?
    Sadly not. At least not yet. A very short break in the sun but back for most of December. Which is fine - I rather like December in Britain and the socialising and drinks and catching up with friends and fam etc

    But god and death willing I shall be off again in early Jan for a long shift in the tropics

    January and February are disgusting in the Uk
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Leon said:

    Very late in life I have discovered that the cheapest wine on the wine list is nearly always entirely acceptable

    Not only acceptable, but a litmus test.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Interesting (long) post.

    A Bootstrapper's Guide to Re-Industrializing America
    https://x.com/jimbelosic/status/1863311802102374853
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Has he run it passed his mate Nigel?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,172
    Leon said:

    Very late in life I have discovered that the cheapest wine on the wine list is nearly always entirely acceptable

    Beat you by several decades.
    Then again, I have no great palate.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

  • Shecorns88Shecorns88 Posts: 279

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    I'm neither.

    I'm certainly not a narcissistic right wing bigot either.
    I think you make my point perfectly
    The fact that you think anyone linked to any Government would be interested in your comments is entirely narcissistic
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited December 1
    Would anyone care to untangle the latest from Richard Murphy?

    National debt fell by £1500 bn in one year from 2022 to 2023, apparently, according to the Whole of Government Accounts. 12 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNcNuDKSKAc
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Very late in life I have discovered that the cheapest wine on the wine list is nearly always entirely acceptable

    Beat you by several decades.
    Then again, I have no great palate.
    I remember jay Rayner saying this about 5 years ago - just get the cheapest wine. As the “jay Rayner of place” I should have paid attention

    Anyway yes it’s true. This is the third time I’ve tested the axiom and it’s correct. Axiomatically

  • FffsFffs Posts: 76

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    I'm neither.

    I'm certainly not a narcissistic right wing bigot either.
    You seem to be implying that Big G is a narcissist and a bigot, which is just unpleasant and personal. And also wrong, as anyone who has been reading pb for any time will confirm, regardless of their political persuasion.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    If I am allowed to mention AI just once - then the new custom GPTs on GPT4o plus are an absolute game changer. Mind blowingly good

    This is clearly AGI - it’s here; we just keep moving the goalposts to pretend it isn’t
  • THERE ARE NO CAPITALS BIG ENOUGH TO EXPRESS HOW I AM FEELING.

    Loved Pep reminding Anfield how many European Cups/Champions Leagues Liverpool have won.

    Still this is Arsenal's title to lose.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.
  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 70

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    Have you tried asking Claude AI (et al.) the same question - or even why ChatGPT is ghosting the name? But definitely creepy if you get the same response.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.

    Says everything you need to know about SKS
  • William Shatner is the greatest.


  • An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    I'm neither.

    I'm certainly not a narcissistic right wing bigot either.
    I think you make my point perfectly
    The fact that you think anyone linked to any Government would be interested in your comments is entirely narcissistic
    Is that the best you can do
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736

    THERE ARE NO CAPITALS BIG ENOUGH TO EXPRESS HOW I AM FEELING.

    Loved Pep reminding Anfield how many European Cups/Champions Leagues Liverpool have won.

    Still this is Arsenal's title to lose.

    I thought 6 was the number of games City have gone without a win
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.

    This has a little "Sir Keir Starmer in the 25th Century!" feel for me. By which time he might have got the hang of things.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    carnforth said:

    We have seen a government with a majority of 80 fail to govern, and one with a majority of 160 get bogged down and have to relaunch after five months.

    Are big majorities overrated?

    Theresa May had a tiny majority and was also crap.

    I think that leading a country is hard, and Britain has had a notably poor run of leaders. Also, the qualities which we use to select leaders for the country are not necessarily the qualities that make a person a good leader of the country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    Scarpia said:

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    Have you tried asking Claude AI (et al.) the same question - or even why ChatGPT is ghosting the name? But definitely creepy if you get the same response.
    Claude has no issue with this

    I expect it is an OpenAI guardrail as there are so many ludicrous connytheers about the Rothschilds
  • Just finished work after twelve hours of delivering 158 parcels to 142 houses

    I hate Black Friday, but it does earn me some extra wages
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,736
    ohnotnow said:

    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.

    This has a little "Sir Keir Starmer in the 25th Century!" feel for me. By which time he might have got the hang of things.
    Boo 2020!

    The 9 and the 0 are too close together for my massive appendiges
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945

    Just finished work after twelve hours of delivering 158 parcels to 142 houses

    I hate Black Friday, but it does earn me some extra wages

    Do people still send postcards occasionally? I sent 4 from Oslo to various people, including one to my home address to see how long it took. I was pleasantly surprised when it only took 3 and half days to arrive.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    If I am allowed to mention AI just once - then the new custom GPTs on GPT4o plus are an absolute game changer. Mind blowingly good

    This is clearly AGI - it’s here; we just keep moving the goalposts to pretend it isn’t
    "New"?
  • I thought shecorns was the heathen woman with boiled water in thermos flasks
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Leon said:

    Scarpia said:

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    Have you tried asking Claude AI (et al.) the same question - or even why ChatGPT is ghosting the name? But definitely creepy if you get the same response.
    Claude has no issue with this

    I expect it is an OpenAI guardrail as there are so many ludicrous connytheers about the Rothschilds
    Yeah, that's possible, but it's really poorly implemented. There are lots of things where it will tell you it can't talk about that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496
    PRO TRAVEL TIP

    I think that Heston’s “the perfectionist cafe” at Heathrow Terminal 2 does the best salt beef sandwich I’ve ever had. It’s certainly up there. It’s not cheap - £17 - but you could easily spunk that on a dire ramen at Wagamama

    Have it with the cheapest wine. Sorted
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826
    edited December 1
    Leon said:

    Very late in life I have discovered that the cheapest wine on the wine list is nearly always entirely acceptable

    The cheapest wine is now 30 quid or more.. that's not cheap...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting (long) post.

    A Bootstrapper's Guide to Re-Industrializing America
    https://x.com/jimbelosic/status/1863311802102374853

    I've seen similar things cross my otherwise non-US-focussed YT list lately. For instance :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct65L_XnNUk

    "How To Fix America's Struggling Industrial Policy | Marc Fasteau, Ian Fletcher SVIC #52"

    (by some ex-Googlers)
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,980
    edited December 1
    Andy_JS said:

    Just finished work after twelve hours of delivering 158 parcels to 142 houses

    I hate Black Friday, but it does earn me some extra wages

    Do people still send postcards occasionally? I sent 4 from Oslo to various people, including one to my home address to see how long it took. I was pleasantly surprised when it only took 3 and half days to arrive.
    They do, but unfortunately 99% of them are mind numbingly boringly written. Still worth reading for the occasional funny or interesting one though

    Another disappointment with postcards is that about 10% seem to be sent from back home, not abroad where they were bought
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,895
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    ... who must not be named.

    ChatGPT refuses to say the name “David Mayer,” and no one knows why.

    If you try to get it to write the name, the chat immediately ends.

    People have attempted all sorts of things - ciphers, riddles, tricks - and nothing works.

    https://x.com/venturetwins/status/1862910201113739328

    Yeah, I just tried that. It's bizarre that it would fail on that.

    If I am allowed to mention AI just once - then the new custom GPTs on GPT4o plus are an absolute game changer. Mind blowingly good

    This is clearly AGI - it’s here; we just keep moving the goalposts to pretend it isn’t
    I think this simply shows you don't understand what AGI is.

    This is an understandable failure, because people disagree on what it should be defined as.

    I haven't forgotten that you're not allowed to talk about AI, so we'll just take it as read that you disagree, will insult me as you express that disagreement, in a way that attempts to be witty, but fails.

    Enjoy your trip!
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,826

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,972

    I thought shecorns was the heathen woman with boiled water in thermos flasks

    Heathener was far more articulate from what I recall and not tribally labour.
  • Don’t insult the regulars except for that one poster who spends most of their time insulting others. But sure, I agree.

    Although as usual partisanship is only an issue when it happens to be supporting something you don’t agree with.

    Personally I support the farmer reforms but I am not sure politically if it was a wise move at all.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,987

    Leon said:

    So. Here I go again - on my own. Basically going down the only road I’ve ever known

    Occurs to me I’m like a drifter: born to walk alone

    Do you ever wish your were sharing your travels with someone else, or do you prefer to travel alone?
    Don't talk The Gazette down! It must have more than one reader checking their own copy. Surely?
  • Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
    I sincerely believe we should abolish the planning system and all regulations. The ability for anyone to reject building things is ridiculous.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,835
    Special place in hell for restaurants where the cheapest wine isn't the house wine.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
    I sincerely believe we should abolish the planning system and all regulations. The ability for anyone to reject building things is ridiculous.
    this u bro

    https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/11/potentially-fatal-uk-broadband-firm-erects-steel-mast-next-to-high-voltage-cables.html
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Don’t insult the regulars except for that one poster who spends most of their time insulting others. But sure, I agree.

    Although as usual partisanship is only an issue when it happens to be supporting something you don’t agree with.

    Personally I support the farmer reforms but I am not sure politically if it was a wise move at all.

    I’m a regular. I’m such a regular I’ve been barred more times than @Shecorns88 has actually posted (this may be literally true)

    I’m therefore allowed to insult my fellow regulars as they are absolutely allowed to insult me. And I never complain

    That’s the rules of a good pub isn’t it? Banter, sarcasm, barely disguised bitterness between regulars - with weirdly ancient feuds that no one quite understands anymore, but on they go

    You don’t barge into a pub like that and order your first ever drink and start shouting at the guy who’s been sipping stout in the same chair for fifteen years
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    That's a bit rude and personal BigG. Unlike you. Anyway good luck with a Reform Government in Wales.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,505

    Just finished work after twelve hours of delivering 158 parcels to 142 houses

    I hate Black Friday, but it does earn me some extra wages

    You can blame Mrs U.....
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
    I sincerely believe we should abolish the planning system and all regulations. The ability for anyone to reject building things is ridiculous.
    You may be surprised to hear I tend to agree with you . The latest planning regs in particular seem designed to ensure ugliness. Tiny windows etc
  • An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    That's a bit rude and personal BigG. Unlike you. Anyway good luck with a Reform Government in Wales.
    Actually I would be happy for any combination of government for Wales that sees labour out of office

    Plaid - conservative - reform - lib dem - independent
  • LeonLeon Posts: 56,496

    An excellent and very balanced article of about 10 minutes on BBC Countryfile on the Farming IHT issue.

    More fact based in terms of the actual proposals, tax experts and viewpoints from Farmers for and against the proposals.

    Steve Reed and Tom Bradshaw NFU also interviewed.

    The Clarksons of this world will hate it but I'm sure the silent majority will be much better informed having seen it.

    The same Steve Reed who opposed this tax on record before the election
    The same Steve Teed who wasn't aware the Tories had spent the emergency find 3x over and made huge unfounded tax cuts 3 months before the GE

    The same Steve Reed who persuaded the Chancellor to give real Farmers a £5, 000,000,000 increase in funding over the next 2 years.

    Watch the article you might learn something.
    It is clear you are a poor labour intern desperately trying to justify the dreadful Starmer Reeves government who is tanking in the polls and has just lost 13% in Wales and is behind Plaid and near level with Reform
    That's a bit rude and personal BigG. Unlike you. Anyway good luck with a Reform Government in Wales.
    Actually I would be happy for any combination of government for Wales that sees labour out of office

    Plaid - conservative - reform - lib dem - independent
    Wales could be the first major bastion to fall to reform. Which would be quite sensational

    It has all the right ingredients
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578
    Leon said:

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
    I sincerely believe we should abolish the planning system and all regulations. The ability for anyone to reject building things is ridiculous.
    You may be surprised to hear I tend to agree with you . The latest planning regs in particular seem designed to ensure ugliness. Tiny windows etc
    There have been some positive moves planning wise, but it's been a bit of an odd and inconsistent approach still.

    You can build build build whilst still retaining some control on design - indeed, that could be the tradeoff.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,554

    THERE ARE NO CAPITALS BIG ENOUGH TO EXPRESS HOW I AM FEELING.

    Loved Pep reminding Anfield how many European Cups/Champions Leagues Liverpool have won.

    Still this is Arsenal's title to lose.

    Um,


  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 (sic) both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.

    Well they have a lot in common: both SKS and NF (hah!) are rich, both don't like Britain very much, both consider wealthy foreigners to be their clients, and both think their role is to sell off British assets and its workforce to wealthy foreigners whilst telling the Brits that they love them really and here's a flag. Basically they're pimps.

    Palantir, BlackRock, that Czech billionaire...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,578

    SKS hasn't met Zarah Sultana since she became a Labour MP. Hasn't spoke to Diane Abbott since 2029 both of them get racially abused and gets death threats by the bucket load

    . But he'll cross the floor to have a cosy chat with far right MP Nigel Farage.

    His treatment of them, fair or not, does not really make his talking to Farage mean anything.

    You, me, or others, may or may not like him having a civil chat with Farage, but the fact of him doing so has no relation to whether he has been appropriately civil with Sultana and Abbott (and he definitely tried to get rid of the latter).

    It's remarkable to me how ever some very smart people act like absolute children when politicians display civility - even on here some lost their minds over Mordaunt and Rayner being able to share a conversation, and suggesting it meant political arguments of theirs was fake.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,879
    edited December 1

    Sir Keir Starmer has the ability to get rid of planning regulations altogether. He should do it.

    Moronic comment
    I sincerely believe we should abolish the planning system and all regulations. The ability for anyone to reject building things is ridiculous.
    I think you need to reflect on that, TBH, Horse. It's all quite nuanced.

    People would tend to realise the problem when they had an 80ft high factory building put up 10m from the back wall of their house blocking most of the sunlight out of their rooms.

    We have law on that kind of thing going back to 1663, codified more fully in the Prescription Act 1832.
    https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/2-3/71/contents
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