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A bit of movement away from Trump on Betfair – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,158
edited November 10 in General
imageA bit of movement away from Trump on Betfair – politicalbetting.com

Further evidence of Trump struggles, in the current count, from Indiana.Again – early data, lots of changes in vote method composition between 2020 and now, Indiana won’t decide the election, and so on. https://t.co/By6zvBEXb9

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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Oooh first.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    I wish CNN would give John King a lot more airtime. I don't care what the biased talking heads say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited November 6
    biggles said:

    biggles said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sagand said:

    rottenborough said:

    not_on_fire said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Indiana is Pence territory. Good work on the numbers notwithstanding I am not sure if any of it really carries over.

    Really good shout - could just be unwind of a Mike Pence effect. And no sign of Trump running behind 2020 in Kentucky
    No - look at Kentuky.

    Wolf county as example - Trump off by 4 on 2020.
    These are probably the early vote, the day of vote could be much more Republican.
    They are more than early vote. Some of these counties are practically done:


    Hamilton is a massive population with an 8% Harris swing, so if representative of Suburbs then Trump is toast.
    Suburban women are the key it seems.
    So have I. We can do this together!
    Also, I just got back from the pub. Noting the 9am meeting, should I open the whisky? A question to the forum…
    If your meeting at 9am is coincidentally with me, absolutely you can.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    Haven't worked out which TV station is the best one to watch yet.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    AP has called IN for Trump.
  • ArtistArtist Posts: 1,893
    Trump up in Florida?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Does John Kerry actually age?

    He looks the same as he did 20 years ago.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,592
    Pulpstar said:

    AP has called IN for Trump.

    CNN haven't, but I've updated the header.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Artist said:

    Trump up in Florida?

    I'm trying to do a Florida sheet, and yes it looks like Trump is 1-3 points up in Florida.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    AP has a Trump lead early in GA.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,261
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
    Old people retiring to the sunshine state?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
    Old people
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,925
    Trump wining independents in GA by 11pts, 54 to 43
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    edited November 6
    Exit poll figures on NBC screen looked like Trump + 2 to me in Florida
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,592
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
    Old people retiring to the sunshine state?
    Plus a significant Jewish vote.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
    Old people retiring to the sunshine state?
    Quite a lot of right leaning pro business types have fled high tax states....e.g. I believe a bloke called Jeff Bezhooosss or something like that who has a few quid moved his whole family there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Florida sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qTRQ6mTjdopsupXqzlSBQn64wirTRHE9O4tKucDUJmc/edit?usp=sharing

    More mixed picture, but Trump definitely outperforming 2020
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    Where can we see the state exit polls?
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,239
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    GIN1138 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Trump leading his 2020 vote share across the board in Florida, by the looks of it

    Boo. What is it with Florida that has had it going more and more Red over time?
    Old people retiring to the sunshine state?
    Plus a significant Jewish vote.
    Plus Reps doing better with Hispanic voters in Miami
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Old white men ruining things is a worry for me since I am hopefully destined to become one.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,239
    CNN exit poll reports a big swing in Independent voters in Georgia to Trump vs. 2020
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    Trump seems to be doing well in Georgia, better than 4 years ago, particularly with independents.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    Found the Georgia exit poll.

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/exit-polls/georgia/general/president/0
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Non college white 81 Trump - 19 Harris !
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Hard to see Harris winning GA on those independent numbers
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,704
    edited November 6
    GA independents gone Biden +9 to Trump +11.

    Surely that must mean Trump has won GA.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,592
    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    RobD said:

    Trump wining independents in GA by 11pts, 54 to 43

    Ah shucks
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    FPT - See previous reference to Gomer Pyle (as played on US TV by the late, great Jim Nabors.

    Speaking of Indiana, Nabors was an icon in the great Hoosier State. Why? Because he used to sing "Back Home in Indiana" at the start of every Indianapolis 500 race

    Jim Nabors - Back Home Again In Indiana (1988 Indianapolis 500)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX43VZi7UKQ
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Pulpstar said:

    AP has a Trump lead early in GA.

    Twiggs only reporting county so far, and looks bang in line with 2020 result.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,124
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    Oooof, that Sunbelt really is going Red isn't it.

  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    CNN calls Indiana for GOP
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    That’s a poll though not actual votes?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    edited November 6
    MikeL said:

    GA independents gone Biden +9 to Trump +11.

    Surely that must mean trump has won GA.

    That's a heck of a switch if it holds up. That looks so bad if it is representative I'd be worried it is a trend elsewhere (Georgia was a challenge to hold onto regardless).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AP has a Trump lead early in GA.

    Twiggs only reporting county so far, and looks bang in line with 2020 result.
    Harris is ahead there now.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    Good morning from a bright cool autumnal Seoul

    Looks like Korea is possibly the BEST place to watch this unfurl, time-wise, after all

    Got a good 8 hours kip and now results just coming in…

    My ideal result is a long long 24 hours where Trump looks like he’s winning, to scare the living shitz out of every Wokester on here. And around the world. But ultimately for Trump to lose, coz tho I love entertainment I don’t actually want him to win

    The polar bear must be dealt with, first
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    BRREEEEAKKKKKKINNNGGG NEWSSSSSSS....Trump predicted to win Indiana.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Georgia looks decent for Harris based on very early numbers.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    00:12 IN for Trump.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Virginia less than 1% in

    Trump 53% Harris 45%
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,239
    Mortimer said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    Oooof, that Sunbelt really is going Red isn't it.

    Worth keeping an eye on Virginia then too
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    Gallowgate said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    That’s a poll though not actual votes?
    Yes, the Exit poll.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    HYUFD said:

    Virginia less than 1% in

    Trump 53% Harris 45%

    The most Democratic part of Virginia almost always come in at the end.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Georgia 3% in

    Harris 51%
    Trump 48%
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    HYUFD said:

    Virginia less than 1% in

    Trump 53% Harris 45%

    For context, Virginia always reports GOP leaning areas first
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Don't look now, @Viewcode but Trump is ahead in Virginia (He always was going to be at this stage and will be for a while yet) :)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    Its the economy. If you don't have a lot of assets, the inflation is an absolute killer especially rent and food.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,925
    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    Mad, isn’t it?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,075
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Gallowgate said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    That’s a poll though not actual votes?
    Yes, the Exit poll.
    I'm not sure US exit polls have the same reputation as UK ones have...
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Harris leading Douglas County GA 66-34 with 75% counted. 2020 result was Biden 62, Trump 37
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Virginia less than 1% in

    Trump 53% Harris 45%

    The most Democratic part of Virginia almost always come in at the end.
    It's going to get worse before it gets better there for Harris.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Florida 41% in

    Trump 52%
    Harris 47%
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    Because the Democrats are seen as WORSE

    By this point, the inability to grasp this can only be ascribed to stupidity. But I shall be kind, and ascribe it to you being very very tired (and I do sympathise)
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    numbertwelve said:

    HYUFD said:

    Virginia less than 1% in

    Trump 53% Harris 45%

    For context, Virginia always reports GOP leaning areas first
    Yes, I remember in 2016 a lot of people were getting excited that it was going to go Red but came through for Clinton in the end
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    edited November 6
    Whatever the exit poll says, the early Georgia returns look good for Harris. She's tracking 3 percent ahead of Biden in 2020, with the caveat that she needs to be, because early voting will be more favorable to her.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    Perhaps stating the obvious (at least to yours truly) but tad early to become toooooo categoric, at least until NYT or networks call the race that is, based on WAY better analysis than done by me - or thee.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,765
    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    Simple: Voters fear Harris 2024 more than they feared Biden 2020.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,239
    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    It's the cost of living. CNN had a small business owner on who said he didn't love Trump but he was doing better than Trump was President than now.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    not_on_fire said:

    Harris leading Douglas County GA 66-34 with 75% counted. 2020 result was Biden 62, Trump 37

    Isn't the mail counted first in GA though, some redshift expected (On a county by county basis) there overnight ?
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,449
    Andy_JS said:

    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

    Electronic voting machines can count very quickly
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    When I see the words 'Trump doing better than in 2020' I'm just baffled. I know that's due to echo chamber effect, but when I see his weird rambling speeches it's incredible that people who did not vote for him before go 'Yes, I want some more of that!'

    Because the Democrats are seen as WORSE

    By this point, the inability to grasp this can only be ascribed to stupidity. But I shall be kind, and ascribe it to you being very very tired (and I do sympathise)
    I appreciate your forebearance.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    edited November 6
    Georgia - Exit poll good for Trump, early results good for Harris. What a muddle!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    Pulpstar said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Harris leading Douglas County GA 66-34 with 75% counted. 2020 result was Biden 62, Trump 37

    Isn't the mail counted first in GA though, some redshift expected (On a county by county basis) there overnight ?
    Republicans have been voting by mail this time so likely to be less pronounced
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,807
    HYUFD said:

    Florida 41% in

    Trump 52%
    Harris 47%

    Now that interests me. Is that just a symptom of more GOP areas reporting later? That feels closer than expected…
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,874
    Vermont 1% in

    Harris 75% Trump 21%
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    edited November 6
    Andy_JS said:

    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

    Yes. Florida has an excellent election system now after their humiliation in 2000.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    not_on_fire said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

    Electronic voting machines can count very quickly
    When they aren't being run by Venezuela Democrat operatives.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    NBC and Fox News now have live YouTube streams if you fancy a change from CNN. As do David Pakman (left) and Daily Wire (right).
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    Pulpstar said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Harris leading Douglas County GA 66-34 with 75% counted. 2020 result was Biden 62, Trump 37

    Isn't the mail counted first in GA though, some redshift expected (On a county by county basis) there overnight ?
    That's right. Harris needs to be 3 points ahead when early votes are all counted.

    And that's pretty much where she is.

    Georgia is on a knife edge.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    not_on_fire said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

    Electronic voting machines can count very quickly
    I know they're supposed to, but often they seem to take a long time.
  • DruttDrutt Posts: 1,124
    RCS moving the thin BF Georgia market...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Have they really counted 42% of the Florida vote already?

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2024/results/president?election-data-id=2024-PG&election-painting-mode=projection-with-lead&filter-key-races=false&filter-flipped=false&filter-remaining=false

    Yes. Florida has an excellent election system now after their humiliation in 2000.
    You mean politicians learned from a cock up and implemented effective changes? Remarkable occurence!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,454
    HYUFD said:

    Vermont 1% in

    Harris 75% Trump 21%

    No offence but this is less than useful
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    rcs1000 said:

    Whatever the exit poll says, the early Georgia returns look good for Harris. She's tracking 3 percent ahead of Biden in 2020, with the caveat that she needs to be, because early voting will be more favorable to her.

    I don't know what the margin of error is with these exit polls.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    numbertwelve said:

    HYUFD said:

    Florida 41% in

    Trump 52%
    Harris 47%

    Now that interests me. Is that just a symptom of more GOP areas reporting later? That feels closer than expected…
    I can never remember which states the early vote is likely to be GOP leaning or Dem leaning, or if it might switch around from election to election if they switch up the order of counting. Makes it very hard to follow.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    HYUFD said:

    Vermont 1% in

    Harris 75% Trump 21%

    Vermont is one of the few places where rural areas are Democrat.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,651
    numbertwelve said:

    HYUFD said:

    Florida 41% in

    Trump 52%
    Harris 47%

    Now that interests me. Is that just a symptom of more GOP areas reporting later? That feels closer than expected…
    It's bang in line with @Andy_JS's projection spreadie, just saying.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,015
    Ratters said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Gallowgate said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Georgia independents

    Trump 54%

    Harris 43%

    Biden won this group by 9%

    So I reckon that's Georgia a Trump gain.

    That’s a poll though not actual votes?
    Yes, the Exit poll.
    I'm not sure US exit polls have the same reputation as UK ones have...
    They do not.
    And ours can be misleading enough.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,479
    I’ve probably missed this but where are people seeing live results?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    rcs1000 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    not_on_fire said:

    Harris leading Douglas County GA 66-34 with 75% counted. 2020 result was Biden 62, Trump 37

    Isn't the mail counted first in GA though, some redshift expected (On a county by county basis) there overnight ?
    That's right. Harris needs to be 3 points ahead when early votes are all counted.

    And that's pretty much where she is.

    Georgia is on a knife edge.
    And on queue, Trump goes ahead.
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,704
    FL:

    Zero counted in Miami Dade or Palm Beach.

    Broward 67%
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,539
    Rockdale County Georgia - 10% better for Harris than 2020.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574
    Benpointer said:

    Georgia - Exit poll good for Trump, early results good for Harris. What a muddle!

    I'd trust the exit poll more than the early results. It's quite common to see the early results point one way and for it to end up going decisively in the other direction when the last 30-40% are counted.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    edited November 6
    Is it possible to bet on Harris winning without PA? Might be worth a small flutter.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Vermont 1% in

    Harris 75% Trump 21%

    Vermont is one of the few places where rural areas are Democrat.
    Always wondered why New England is so Liberal.

    Except New Hampshire.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    Anabobazina said:

    I’ve probably missed this but where are people seeing live results?

    https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/georgia/?r=0

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-indiana-president.html
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,239
    Has any US county completed yet?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,046
    I can't wait for that moment when a really important state just seems to get stuck on reporting 67.2% or whatever, whilst everyone goes nuts around them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,538
    edited November 6
    Extraordinary if Russia is behind bomb threats on polling stations in Georgia.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,110
    MikeL said:

    FL:

    Zero counted in Miami Dade or Palm Beach.

    Broward 67%

    Miami-Dade is coming in for Trump. He's won Florida by 7-8. Which is bang in the middle of the "very close run election" range.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,574
    Andy_JS said:

    Extraordinary if Russia is behind bomb threats on polling stations in Georgia.

    Does Putin know it's not that Georgia?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 81,960
    edited November 6
    BREAKKKKKKING NEWS....Exit poll says North Carolina votes proper pissed with way things are going, economy most important issue.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,157
    MikeL said:

    FL:

    Zero counted in Miami Dade or Palm Beach.

    Broward 67%

    https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/florida/?r=0

    Trump 90k ahead in Miami. It'll be a MAHOOSIVE swing from Clinton's result there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,228
    CNN close to calling the whole dang thing for Trump, because Georgia independents
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,394
    Andy_JS said:

    Is it possible to bet on Harris winning without PA? Might be worth a small flutter.

    I think Sky has a bet for Harris to win NC and Trump to take PA at 4/1

    Might be a good proxy
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,925
    There’s an alternative to the NY Times needle here, below the map:

    https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/2024/General/President/
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