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Senatus Populusque – Previewing November’s other elections Part II

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  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,616

    Andy_JS said:

    I have resigned myself to a Trump victory. America is utterly doomed.

    I hope Harris wins but I don't think a Trump victory will make much difference to the long-term future of the USA.
    Dem campaign manager has put out a video saying 'We're not losing'.

    Maybe it is some 4-d chess cleverness with GOTV but to me it reads like precisely the opposite and the whiff of defeat.

    Trump 2.0 is one week away.
    That’s not what she said or did. It was an update on the state of the race as she saw it. She might be wrong or right this time, but she got it spot on in 2020.
    Let's hope she is right then.
    ….
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,012
    For all the pearl clutchers on here this morning in a tizzy about the comedian talking about you @Nigelb amongst others how about Jon Stewart's take on it all.

    https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1851138132596408499?t=JV4G3sppes-Zrkp7suzSVg&s=08
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,887

    Andy_JS said:

    I have resigned myself to a Trump victory. America is utterly doomed.

    I hope Harris wins but I don't think a Trump victory will make much difference to the long-term future of the USA.
    Dem campaign manager has put out a video saying 'We're not losing'.

    Maybe it is some 4-d chess cleverness with GOTV but to me it reads like precisely the opposite and the whiff of defeat.

    Trump 2.0 is one week away.
    That’s not what she said or did. It was an update on the state of the race as she saw it. She might be wrong or right this time, but she got it spot on in 2020.
    Do you have a link?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,914
    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Really?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Scientifically the “lighter” gene is always weaker - I was generally much more likely to look Chinese than German and so it turned out - unless you pull up a drawbridge on the Global Village, white genes fighting a losing battle, maybe? At the same time, wether it’s nature or nurture it’s true what you are seen as can still be in the eye of the beholder, by that I mean, if I looked 80 or 90 per cent white European, from just 20 Or 10% Asian look, some people, perhaps a great many people, would still not put me in their “white British” column on the check/reporting sheet.

    I’d end up forced to wear a qipao - which as I’m not very curvy I’d look like a walking pencil.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,413

    Leon said:

    No. We should aim for zero migration and more white British babies

    I do not want to live in a Britain where white people are a minority. Just as Nigerians do not want to live in a Nigeria where they are a racial minority, nor Japanese likewise in Japan: and fair enough

    We’ve had enough migration. Good fences make good neighbours

    Leon clearly wanted a break, no chance at all he believes this. He might be a total muppet but he's not a racist.
    nothing racist about that you halfwitted nutter
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,020
    edited October 29

    Foss said:

    Totally O/T

    This Single Rule Underpins All of Physics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_srZ-pbs

    This is quite a brilliant explanation of the principle of least action (I never knew the real history behind how it came about).

    I remember when the BBC used to do stuff like this.

    I'd love to know the cost of this verses the cost of the average BBC2 science program.
    You can see what BBC pay here....
    https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/tariff_prices_for_independents.pdf

    Linear TV is expensive. I dislike this trend that you have to have a celebrity with factual programmes.
    So probably two orders of magnitude more than the YouTuber. It's very hard to see much of a difference.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    edited October 29
    Foss said:

    Foss said:

    Totally O/T

    This Single Rule Underpins All of Physics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_srZ-pbs

    This is quite a brilliant explanation of the principle of least action (I never knew the real history behind how it came about).

    I remember when the BBC used to do stuff like this.

    I'd love to know the cost of this verses the cost of the average BBC2 science program.
    You can see what BBC pay here....
    https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/tariff_prices_for_independents.pdf

    Linear TV is expensive. I dislike this trend that you have to have a celebrity with factual programmes.
    So probably two orders of magnitude more than the YouTuber. It's very hard to see much of a difference.
    The tools (and hardware) are so good these days and relatively affordable. I think Veritasium certainly on the very higher end in terms of production values, depth of video and that will require a number of team members.

    Johnny Harris has shown some how the sausage is made to produce the graphics for his very polished videos.

    One of the most amazing ones is 3Blue1Brown, all his graphics come from a software package he wrote himself and open sourced. Anybody with some reasonable coding skills could do the same now.
  • Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    Is there anything left to announce?

    Reeves' big Budget will set agenda for years to come
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    Too many foreign...starts...

    Tour de France to take all-French route for first time since 2020

    "We decided to bring the Tour home, it was high time after all the foreign starts," said race director Christian Prudhomme.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/articles/c748xy2jj3eo
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,504
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    So long as people share British values (definition on a post card please) does it matter what colour predominates? So I believe your first statement to be faulty.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    “Britain should remain majority white British” is an odd mission statement when you consider the zero practicality of achieving it. Up against genetic science, the very nature of the human race, I can’t think of any measure that can be put in place that maintains such objective. Am I missing something?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 561

    The share of high-earning employees in the labour market has fallen to the lowest level since at least 1997, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). High-earners now account for just 22.7pc of the UK workforce, a decline from a high of 26.4pc last reached in 2012.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/29/britain-high-paid-workforce-slumps-record-low-reeves-budget/

    One question I would like to know, as well as large numbers of people coming to the UK, we have had over the past few years a large number of people leaving. Be interesting to know how many were high earners.

    So high earner is someone paying there rate, presumably it's because for most people wages have been suppressed. Very top is doing OK by not giving the majority pay rises.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,340
    POTUS. Beware the impression of inevitability being generated by one campaign. Its a strategy, but is it real?

    Not sure.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    edited October 30
    Dopermean said:

    The share of high-earning employees in the labour market has fallen to the lowest level since at least 1997, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS). High-earners now account for just 22.7pc of the UK workforce, a decline from a high of 26.4pc last reached in 2012.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/10/29/britain-high-paid-workforce-slumps-record-low-reeves-budget/

    One question I would like to know, as well as large numbers of people coming to the UK, we have had over the past few years a large number of people leaving. Be interesting to know how many were high earners.

    So high earner is someone paying there rate, presumably it's because for most people wages have been suppressed. Very top is doing OK by not giving the majority pay rises.
    Not sure I understand this statement. The definition is,

    The ONS describes someone earning 1.5 times the median wage as a high-earner, meaning in todays money they make at least £25.63 an hour or around £53,450 annually if working full-time.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    So long as people share British values (definition on a post card please) does it matter what colour predominates? So I believe your first statement to be faulty.
    More than a postcard, but

    https://citizenshiptests.org/tests/uk-citizenship-test-the-values-and-principles-of-the-uk/

    https://www.trinitycollege.com/qualifications/SELT/B1-GESE-grade-5#:~:text=The Trinity B1 GESE Grade,Settlement/Permanent Residency

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_in_the_United_Kingdom_test#:~:text=It is meant to prove,history, traditions and everyday life.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    Yokes said:

    POTUS. Beware the impression of inevitability being generated by one campaign. Its a strategy, but is it real?

    Not sure.

    A Frenchman driving a car sees God.

    Car crashes.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    edited October 30
    Yokes said:

    POTUS. Beware the impression of inevitability being generated by one campaign. Its a strategy, but is it real?

    Not sure.

    Apologies Yokes. Can you update us on the Sudan/destabilised region conflict? Is the side with Russia involved going to win, or the good guys?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,710
    Is one of Maine's electoral college votes expected to go to Trump, or is it too close to call?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,401

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,018
    edited October 30
    Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett on Haitians:

    "In 1999, Barrett married fellow Notre Dame Law School graduate Jesse M. Barrett, a partner at SouthBank Legal – LaDue Curran & Kuehn LLC, in South Bend, Indiana,[218] and a law professor at Notre Dame Law School.[219] Previously, Jesse Barrett had worked as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana for 13 years.[220] The couple live in South Bend and have seven children, two of whom were adopted from Haiti, one in 2005 and one after the 2010 Haiti earthquake.[35][221] Their youngest biological child has Down syndrome."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

    And the disabled.

    I wish all our judges had her integrity.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,018
    edited October 30
    Ohio Republican Governor on Haitians:

    "Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine’s experience with Haiti and Haitians goes far beyond his current efforts to manage issues — ranging from baseless rumors to genuine concerns — related to the recent sudden influx of Haitian immigrants to Springfield.

    The Republican governor has an extensive connection to Haiti. In 1998, DeWine and his wife, Fran, began their support of the Becky DeWine School, named after the DeWines’ daughter who was killed in a 1993 car accident at 22 years old.

    The school was situated in a slum known as Cite Soleil in Haiti capitol Port Au Prince and run by a charity that had long been supported by the DeWines. Mike and Fran DeWine in 2013 traveled to Haiti to commemorate the school’s first graduating class."
    source: https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/ohio-gov-dewines-deep-connections-to-haiti-inform-response-to-springfield-controversy/M5HTIUUODNE4FIUPQ2AHDQSIHA/
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    edited October 30
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    “Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?”

    Arn’t those things either a nationalism (British like me) or a religion (CoE like me) and not in any way proved by skin colour (golden brown, texture like sun, i can’t manage white as hard as I could try - I don’t fancy my face falling off like Michael Jackson’s)?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,887
    edited October 30
    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 806
    @MattW FP-P-T - thanks very much for the full links- please do continue posting this stuff as while it's not necessarily "on topic" it's brilliantly condensed in bitesize form for those of us with limited knowledge* :smile:

    *I'm unlikely to join any groups more focussed on it for a few reasons - lack of time, lack of disability other than being fat, nothing really to say, and a probable vehement disagreement about the national speed limit (or ideally in my case the abolition of same). But it would do us all well to understand the challenges the disabled face and so much of the time it's so obvious in hindsight - i.e. once it's been pointed out by stuff like this!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,887

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Biden said it on CNN:

    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1851421311785959703
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,277
    There’s a reason the Harris campaign wants Biden to stay in the WH and muzzle it . And tonight’s latest gaffe from him proves why .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,401

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    99% of Harris voters will agree with Biden, 99% of Trump voters won't.

    Nobody is changing their mind over that, it is all about turnout now
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,887
    Marco Rubio refers to the garbage remark at Trump’s rally tonight:

    https://x.com/marcorubio/status/1851432204905095359
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,710
    edited October 30
    Harris could lose Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Nevada and still win the election with Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and all the ECVs from Maine. That would be 270-268.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,303

    Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett on Haitians:

    "In 1999, Barrett married fellow Notre Dame Law School graduate Jesse M. Barrett, a partner at SouthBank Legal – LaDue Curran & Kuehn LLC, in South Bend, Indiana,[218] and a law professor at Notre Dame Law School.[219] Previously, Jesse Barrett had worked as an Assistant U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana for 13 years.[220] The couple live in South Bend and have seven children, two of whom were adopted from Haiti, one in 2005 and one after the 2010 Haiti earthquake.[35][221] Their youngest biological child has Down syndrome."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Coney_Barrett

    And the disabled.

    I wish all our judges had her integrity.

    I have a lot of time for ACB; while I don't agree with her on many issues, she is a thoughtful, intelligent and - I believe - honest jurist.

    Clarence Thomas, not so much.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,243
    Andy_JS said:

    Is one of Maine's electoral college votes expected to go to Trump, or is it too close to call?

    If Trump doesn't win ME-2 then there is no way he is competitive for POTUS. It's like NE2 for Harris. They're basically both must win for them both. A sweep of either two would likely presage a landslide either way. So in effect they're going to cancel
  • HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have passed democratically.
  • Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Biden said it on CNN:

    https://x.com/steveguest/status/1851421311785959703
    Good burn. Quite true.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,710
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is one of Maine's electoral college votes expected to go to Trump, or is it too close to call?

    If Trump doesn't win ME-2 then there is no way he is competitive for POTUS. It's like NE2 for Harris. They're basically both must win for them both. A sweep of either two would likely presage a landslide either way. So in effect they're going to cancel
    Surely they're not that crucial in themselves compared to a candidate winning say a fair number of the important swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,243
    Andy_JS said:

    Harris could lose Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Nevada and still win the election with Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and all the ECVs from Maine. That would be 270-268.

    Again she's unlikely to win all of Maine. 538, and I don't think this is wrong has it as safe as Texas for Trump; NE-2 otoh is as safe as VA for Harris. Like I said you can cancel them if the race is competitive
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,243
    Andy_JS said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is one of Maine's electoral college votes expected to go to Trump, or is it too close to call?

    If Trump doesn't win ME-2 then there is no way he is competitive for POTUS. It's like NE2 for Harris. They're basically both must win for them both. A sweep of either two would likely presage a landslide either way. So in effect they're going to cancel
    Surely they're not that crucial in themselves compared to a candidate winning say a fair number of the important swing states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina?
    Obviously they're only worth 1 EV each. I think you can just reliably give that single EV to each candidate. Assigning both to either isn't particularly credible unless it's a landslide either way
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,971
    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    *) Mrs J is Turkish, and her skin colour is olive (very Mediterranean-looking). She has citizenship. Would you class her as British, and/or white?

    *) Our son was born in this country. His skin colour is rather pasty in winter, and tans olive in summer. Would you class him as British, and/or white?

    *) Is famous orange-faced Robert Kilroy-Silk white? ;)

    How do you 'measure' whiteness? How do you define 'British' ? Because to say such a statement as you do above and for it to have any meaning, you need to be able to answer those questions.

    And another problem with your statement is this: if you want Britain to remain majority white British, what policies would you propose? I fail to see how you can have policies that will lead to that statement coming true, that are not thoroughly racist.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    HYUFD said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    99% of Harris voters will agree with Biden, 99% of Trump voters won't.

    Nobody is changing their mind over that, it is all about turnout now
    And the Dems have a huge edge on the machine that identifies voters and gets them to the polls.

    Harris spent money to set up dozens and dozens of them, swing state by swing state.

    Trump spent money to pay lawyers to get him to the finish line out of jail.

    If the Harris ground game wins this, it will be hugely satisfying. And condemnatory of how the Republican machine has not been oiled but has instead seized up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    edited October 30
    How X users can earn thousands from US election misinformation and AI images
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dpj485nno

    Another misinformation special....its sounds scary, these people getting paid by X to spread wild misinformation that could be influencing the election.

    The first example they give, the guy has hardly any followers, 2.5k on one account and 16.7k on another, and basically zero reach. Nobody is looking at the tweets. He is doing a live stream, 1000 watching.

    The second person, on paper has more significant followers, 200k, but is getting suspiciously very low engagement e.g. some posts are viewed by a few 100 and most a few 1000 people. It screams bought fake followers.

    The three account mentioned, has 1.1k followers.

    In summary these people are nobodies. I highly doubt they are making any real money, they are just weird people basically screaming into the void by posting round the clock. The aren't even as influential as the weird account from lady in Swindon who was Jezza's #1 fan.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have passed democratically.
    Absolutely. And all of them have to take those stringent tests posted below for right to stay, that everyone in New Statesman editorial team failed to pass.

    If she came in these days, I expect my mum could even fail to pass it, and have to be deported. And that would be hysterical, especially as she has just voted for Bobby Jenrick 😂

    This blog make me laugh so hard 🤣
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,971

    How X users can earn thousands from US election misinformation and AI images
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dpj485nno

    Another misinformation special....its sounds scary, these people getting paid by X to spread wild misinformation that could be influencing the election.

    The first example they give, the guy has hardly any followers, 2.5k on one account and 16.7k on another, and basically zero reach. Nobody is looking at the tweets. He is doing a live stream, 1000 watching.

    The second person, on paper has more significant followers, 200k, but is getting suspiciously very low engagement e.g. some posts are viewed by a few 100 and most a few 1000 people. It screams bought fake followers.

    The three account mentioned, has 1.1k followers.

    In summary they people are nobodies. I highly doubt they are making any real money, they are just weird people basically screaming into the void by posting round the clock. The aren't even as influential as the weird account from lady in Swindon who was Jezza's #1 fan.

    You have a point, but I'm unsure it is as strong as you make out. These misinformation points are often pyramids: the ones at the top with many followers are prominent, but those below provide support. If someone with lots of followers makes a startling claim, these minor accounts provide support for the claims. It's an entire ecosystem of misinformation that, because it is lies, depends on self-support.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,319
    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    edited October 30

    How X users can earn thousands from US election misinformation and AI images
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2dpj485nno

    Another misinformation special....its sounds scary, these people getting paid by X to spread wild misinformation that could be influencing the election.

    The first example they give, the guy has hardly any followers, 2.5k on one account and 16.7k on another, and basically zero reach. Nobody is looking at the tweets. He is doing a live stream, 1000 watching.

    The second person, on paper has more significant followers, 200k, but is getting suspiciously very low engagement e.g. some posts are viewed by a few 100 and most a few 1000 people. It screams bought fake followers.

    The three account mentioned, has 1.1k followers.

    In summary they people are nobodies. I highly doubt they are making any real money, they are just weird people basically screaming into the void by posting round the clock. The aren't even as influential as the weird account from lady in Swindon who was Jezza's #1 fan.

    You have a point, but I'm unsure it is as strong as you make out. These misinformation points are often pyramids: the ones at the top with many followers are prominent, but those below provide support. If someone with lots of followers makes a startling claim, these minor accounts provide support for the claims. It's an entire ecosystem of misinformation that, because it is lies, depends on self-support.
    BBC Verify seem incapable or unable to show this. Every time they do one of these "specials" all they seem to find it weird rando social media accounts with no followers e.g. the Reform bots, which turned out to be all bar one, real people, and again few followers. The suspected bot had if I remember correctly 10's of followers.

    What I really dislike is how they aren't upfront that these accounts have tiny audiences, instead they will highlight well we found a post that got a lot of views. Its very disingenuous reporting, some might say misinformation.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,284
    rkrkrk said:

    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno

    I think the media have just about got the hang of the difference between deficit and debt, so some improvement....
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    Actually, looking at the video, some of this performance wasn’t bad at all. She conveyed some real feeling to illuminate the meaning of her remarks. The pausing for head swivels was well timed, Obamaesque if you allow me to invent a term, and some of the lines written for her showed genuine vision by the writers - such as those who laid down their lives on Omaha beach, didn’t do so for what Trump is blethering up.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/kamala-harris-turn-the-page-trump
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,710
    "Starmer is more extreme than Corbyn. The Right Don't Understand the Battle They Are Losing
    Peter Hitchens"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqEVBynlc9c
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,243

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    *) Mrs J is Turkish, and her skin colour is olive (very Mediterranean-looking). She has citizenship. Would you class her as British, and/or white?

    *) Our son was born in this country. His skin colour is rather pasty in winter, and tans olive in summer. Would you class him as British, and/or white?

    *) Is famous orange-faced Robert Kilroy-Silk white? ;)

    How do you 'measure' whiteness? How do you define 'British' ? Because to say such a statement as you do above and for it to have any meaning, you need to be able to answer those questions.

    And another problem with your statement is this: if you want Britain to remain majority white British, what policies would you propose? I fail to see how you can have policies that will lead to that statement coming true, that are not thoroughly racist.
    We're going to be a more ethnically mixed nation than Japan for well forever but rural Britain will remain majority white for a long long time. We're not going to hit Brazil's ethnic diversity any time soon. Focussing on it is pretty pointless tbh - to actively make the country more white requires actual racist policies - remigration as advocated by the likes of the Homeland party. I grew up in the most middle class suburb imaginable - it was majority white but had a significant ex Ugandan (Asian) population.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    Sandpit said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
    There's a reason he isn't the candidate...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    edited October 30

    Sandpit said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
    There's a reason he isn't the candidate...
    Sometimes he gives the impression of being at best neutral with regard to the election outcome.

    Did I hear that you’re in the sandpit this week?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    Scott_xP said:

    If Trump loses, he is a spent political force. The extent to which Vance can carry the MAGA torch forward is questionable.

    The prize of a Harris victory is a Republican Party trying to refind its base - and probably failing for at least one Presidential and a series of House and Senate elections. Harris could potentially have a huge majority in the House and potentially a two-thirds majority across Congress. That would allow checks to be put in place on corrupt Supreme Court justices with a series of specified standards to which they must adhere - and possibly term limits. It allows Rowe v Wade to be reinstated. It could spell the end of gerrymandering and voter suppression, all of which the right would be powerless to prevent - cuz Donald Trump.

    But if he wins...
    Then everything gets worse.

    The only real question is how much worse.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522

    This US election is characterised by people seeing what they want to see and saying what they want to hear. There is no attempt to listen to the other side. 40% are firmly one side, another 40% firmly the other side, with the remaining 20% wishing they had a decent candidate to vote for. It is awful that whoever wins is likely to try to pull US society further to their direction, damaging aspects of who and what the US is. So so sad.

    Although that's another both sides-ism.

    Simply not true to say that Democrats aren't more willing than Republicans to consider bipartisan agreement. Both voters (I posted polling yesterday showing a huge difference), and politicians.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,479
    Major fire in Barrow shipyard:

    Two in hospital after major fire at BAE site in Cumbria
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2dqd2yy5do
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656

    This Single Rule Underpins All of Physics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_srZ-pbs

    This is quite a brilliant explanation of the principle of least action. I remember when the BBC used to do stuff like this.

    Bring back the Open University on broadcast TV.
    Even better, make all of their lecture archive available online, and set up their courses and examinations as a much cheaper way to obtain a degree through self-learning.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    edited October 30
    HYUFD said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    99% of Harris voters will agree with Biden, 99% of Trump voters won't.

    Nobody is changing their mind over that, it is all about turnout now
    Do they ?

    I've no doubt Democrats hate the support of Trump, wholeheartedly. But I doubt all of them despise all Trump supporters. Some will; some won't.
    That's probably true of Trump's supporters too - though the proportions are likely a bit different.

    In any event, Biden isn't the candidate. But this does demonstrate again his waning political skills. Biden was always gaffe prone, but he wasn't very rarely politically tone deaf.

    If Harris had said it, it would definitely have been damaging.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,303
    Sandpit said:

    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
    Hmmm

    Not sure.

    It certainly has more inflows (proportionately) than any other state.

    But people leaving? Is it worse than the states of the Rustbelt that have significant net outflows?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,303
    Sandpit said:

    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
    From chatgpt, so may not be entirely accurate:

    Yes, examining resident outflows per 100 residents provides a clearer view of relative migration rates, regardless of population size. While data can vary year by year, recent statistics generally highlight the following states as having the highest outflows on a per capita basis:

    1. Hawaii – High cost of living and limited economic opportunities drive departures, with approximately 5-6 people per 100 residents leaving annually.


    2. Alaska – Economic fluctuations and a challenging climate contribute to outflows, with about 4-5 residents per 100 moving each year.


    3. New York – High taxes and cost of living factors mean roughly 3-4 residents per 100 leave each year.


    4. Illinois – Economic challenges lead to about 3-4 departures per 100 residents.


    5. Wyoming – A small population but high rate of out-migration, with around 3-4 residents per 100 moving out annually.


    6. Louisiana – Frequent natural disasters and economic factors drive around 3 residents per 100 to leave.


    7. Mississippi – Economic factors lead to about 3 departures per 100 residents.



    These figures reflect annual out-migration as a proportion of the state population, often due to affordability, economic opportunities, and lifestyle choices. The specific rates can vary depending on recent economic conditions, disasters, and policy changes.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    rkrkrk said:

    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno

    It would be even better if the government did.

    There are disturbing signs they are going the Gordon Brown route.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
    Hmmm

    Not sure.

    It certainly has more inflows (proportionately) than any other state.

    But people leaving? Is it worse than the states of the Rustbelt that have significant net outflows?
    My thinking was that loads of hospitality workers left during the pandemic as they were laid off and living in cramped accomodation, and a different set of hospitality workers came back afterwards.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
    From chatgpt, so may not be entirely accurate:

    Yes, examining resident outflows per 100 residents provides a clearer view of relative migration rates, regardless of population size. While data can vary year by year, recent statistics generally highlight the following states as having the highest outflows on a per capita basis:

    1. Hawaii – High cost of living and limited economic opportunities drive departures, with approximately 5-6 people per 100 residents leaving annually.


    2. Alaska – Economic fluctuations and a challenging climate contribute to outflows, with about 4-5 residents per 100 moving each year.


    3. New York – High taxes and cost of living factors mean roughly 3-4 residents per 100 leave each year.


    4. Illinois – Economic challenges lead to about 3-4 departures per 100 residents.


    5. Wyoming – A small population but high rate of out-migration, with around 3-4 residents per 100 moving out annually.


    6. Louisiana – Frequent natural disasters and economic factors drive around 3 residents per 100 to leave.


    7. Mississippi – Economic factors lead to about 3 departures per 100 residents.



    These figures reflect annual out-migration as a proportion of the state population, often due to affordability, economic opportunities, and lifestyle choices. The specific rates can vary depending on recent economic conditions, disasters, and policy changes.

    You need to specify a date range ?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    Evidence like this for the class of drugs keeps cropping up.

    Ozempic surpasses all other diabetes medications in preventing Alzheimer's disease in diabetics >60 years, effect is more pronounced in women, and independent of obesity.
    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1851340269742145551
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,303
    Sandpit said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    MJW said:

    Just on Nevada, not sure if this is going to be borne out - but may be worth bearing in mind.

    https://x.com/SwannMarcus89/status/1848836946602430956

    In other words, in 2021, Nevada introduced auto-registration for those who aren't when you sign up for a driver's licence etc and it doesn't do so with a party. For that reason there's a lot more people who register as independents than before the law came in.

    That may make it difficult to extrapolate on previous EV figures as this is the first Presidential election with that law in place.

    Nevada also has a very transient population, which would have been even more so in the past four years as so many entertainment businesses closed during the pandemic. It would be interesting to know how many people that were living in NV in 2020 are still there today, I suspect it’s lower than any other State.
    Hmmm

    Not sure.

    It certainly has more inflows (proportionately) than any other state.

    But people leaving? Is it worse than the states of the Rustbelt that have significant net outflows?
    My thinking was that loads of hospitality workers left during the pandemic as they were laid off and living in cramped accomodation, and a different set of hospitality workers came back afterwards.
    Most of those guys will have left before the 2020 election though, surely?

    Las Vegas was back up and running early in 2021.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno

    It would be even better if the government did.

    There are disturbing signs they are going the Gordon Brown route.
    The whole political class, including the media, must know these by now, so I always assume that any confusion is deliberate.

    David Cameron used to regularly talk about “paying down the deficit”, which made me want to throw something at the TV.

    But then we had the pandemic, where it became really damn obvious that the media and most of the politicians had no grasp whatsoever of simple scientific concepts.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,522
    In the context of the Biden gaffe, this is the right message...

    Kamala Harris calls for a ‘new generation of leadership’ in Washington speech
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/kamala-harris-turn-the-page-trump
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,303
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno

    It would be even better if the government did.

    There are disturbing signs they are going the Gordon Brown route.
    The whole political class, including the media, must know these by now, so I always assume that any confusion is deliberate.

    David Cameron used to regularly talk about “paying down the deficit”, which made me want to throw something at the TV.

    But then we had the pandemic, where it became really damn obvious that the media and most of the politicians had no grasp whatsoever of simple scientific concepts.
    I think you gravely overestimate the understanding of economics of the average hack
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,415
    viewcode said:

    Just to summarise for Nevada. Republicans have got more registered voters than the Dems. Their early turnout is better. Their early votes are bigger. The Dem margin was very small last time. If those Dem cavalry are going to come over the hill they are running out of time and may not in fact exist, So if somebody can please offer me some proof other than their pants water that the indies are breaking for Kamala by at least 5%, it is rather looking like Trump is winning in NV.

    And now, the Republican lead is up to 43,000.

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    Maybe independents will vote Democratic by a record margin; maybe there are vast numbers of Republicans for Harris.

    But, if you were running the Nevada campaign, you’d be much happier as a Republican than a Democrat.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: hedged my Norris title bet at 4.7 a little more. His odds should be increasing not decreasing. Also, I was only flat if he fails whereas now ahead either way.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    Sandpit said:

    This Single Rule Underpins All of Physics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_srZ-pbs

    This is quite a brilliant explanation of the principle of least action. I remember when the BBC used to do stuff like this.

    Bring back the Open University on broadcast TV.
    Even better, make all of their lecture archive available online, and set up their courses and examinations as a much cheaper way to obtain a degree through self-learning.
    The world isn't ready for that much corduroy.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
    There's a reason he isn't the candidate...
    Sometimes he gives the impression of being at best neutral with regard to the election outcome.

    Did I hear that you’re in the sandpit this week?
    I am, down in Abu Dhabi. There's the huge energy conference here, starting the end of this week.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656

    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: hedged my Norris title bet at 4.7 a little more. His odds should be increasing not decreasing. Also, I was only flat if he fails whereas now ahead either way.

    There’s a rumour that Max Verstappen will take a new engine and start at the back this weekend, so Norris is quite likely to take points off him this weekend.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
    There's a reason he isn't the candidate...
    Sometimes he gives the impression of being at best neutral with regard to the election outcome.

    Did I hear that you’re in the sandpit this week?
    I am, down in Abu Dhabi. There's the huge energy conference here, starting the end of this week.
    Yes, the ADIPEC conference. My wife will probably be there most of next week, her company sells software to geologists and half their international operation is turning up to attend.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Mr. Sandpit, yep, but Interlagos is a good circuit for overtaking and the top teams are much better than Aston Martin et al. Verstappen should still finish around 7th. And Ferrari have been very good recently.

    All that said, I'm greener if Norris takes the title.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    But, but, a comedian made a bad joke at the Nazi Rally…
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    Makes a change from “deplorables” I guess.
    There's a reason he isn't the candidate...
    Sometimes he gives the impression of being at best neutral with regard to the election outcome.

    Did I hear that you’re in the sandpit this week?
    I am, down in Abu Dhabi. There's the huge energy conference here, starting the end of this week.
    Yes, the ADIPEC conference. My wife will probably be there most of next week, her company sells software to geologists and half their international operation is turning up to attend.
    Speak offline - let's see if I can at least meet her!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,704
    Nigelb said:

    Evidence like this for the class of drugs keeps cropping up.

    Ozempic surpasses all other diabetes medications in preventing Alzheimer's disease in diabetics >60 years, effect is more pronounced in women, and independent of obesity.
    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1851340269742145551

    At this rate, Ozempic is going to be the elixir of life that Putin is investing heavily into discovering...
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,335

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have
    passed democratically.
    I’d disagree.

    Making a judgement about an *individual* based on race is racist. That’s not the same as making a macro level judgement.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,243
    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Just to summarise for Nevada. Republicans have got more registered voters than the Dems. Their early turnout is better. Their early votes are bigger. The Dem margin was very small last time. If those Dem cavalry are going to come over the hill they are running out of time and may not in fact exist, So if somebody can please offer me some proof other than their pants water that the indies are breaking for Kamala by at least 5%, it is rather looking like Trump is winning in NV.

    And now, the Republican lead is up to 43,000.

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    Maybe independents will vote Democratic by a record margin; maybe there are vast numbers of Republicans for Harris.

    But, if you were running the Nevada campaign, you’d be much happier as a Republican than a Democrat.
    Given this and the Dade numbers, Trump at 10-1 in New Mexico looks good to me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,479
    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,479
    I do think it's unfair to compare Trump to Hitler.

    One was a serial failure who kept losing elections but due to the dud system in place squeaked his way into power, then tried to rig an election to hold on to it and when that failed used violence to try and overturn the result.

    By contrast, Hitler succeeded in that last one.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
    Little chance trump wrote that of course. But I think it does rather neatly sum up how Harris seems to be losing to such a beatable opponent.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 48,837
    Nigelb said:

    Evidence like this for the class of drugs keeps cropping up.

    Ozempic surpasses all other diabetes medications in preventing Alzheimer's disease in diabetics >60 years, effect is more pronounced in women, and independent of obesity.
    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1851340269742145551

    It's quite a big effect in the article, but not yet clear as to the mechanism. This is the full article.

    https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/about-dementia/managing-the-risk-of-dementia/reduce-your-risk-of-dementia/diabetes#:~:text=People with diabetes are at,with longer durations of diabetes.

    It's worth noting that diabetes is a major treatable risk factor for dementia. A key part of our resolving our social care crisis is tackling diabetes and related vascular risk factors.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,479
    edited October 30
    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
    Little chance trump wrote that of course. But I think it does rather neatly sum up how Harris seems to be losing to such a beatable opponent.
    No it doesn't, because it's such a blatant lie. He's spent the last several years doing nothing but demonise large numbers of Americans. To suggest he wants to be a President for all of them when shouting he will lock people up for opposing him is nonsensical. Heck, Biden's silly remark was quoting words Trump's campaign had approved.

    The much more interesting and alarming question is, why do large numbers of people seem to want to believe such - to coin a phrase - garbage?

    And the worrying implication is that when Trump is finally done, that won't end the madness. Another far right candidate dedicated to subverting the system could emerge instead - one abler, more plausible, more slippery than a fat old bully obsessed with himself.

    Such a person would be infinitely more dangerous to America and the world, and heaven knows Trump is enough of a threat on his lonesome.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
    Little chance trump wrote that of course. But I think it does rather neatly sum up how Harris seems to be losing to such a beatable opponent.
    No it doesn't, because it's such a blatant lie. He's spent the last several years doing nothing but demonise large numbers of Americans. To suggest he wants to be a President for all of them when shouting he will lock people up for opposing him is nonsensical. Heck, Biden's silly remark was quoting words Trump's campaign had approved.

    The much more interesting and alarming question is, why do large numbers of people seem to want to believe such - to coin a phrase - garbage?

    And the worrying implication is that when Trump is finally done, that won't end the madness. Another far right candidate dedicated to subverting the system could emerge instead - one abler, more plausible, more slippery than a fat old bully obsessed with himself.

    Such a person would be infinitely more dangerous to America and the world, and heaven knows Trump is enough of a threat on his lonesome.
    On the assumption that we’re not seeing a polling failure and trump does sneak it (or more), I think the post mortem will centre on the Nazi coverage. In any case, I am mentally prepared for the victory of either candidate, both of which carry high risk for the safe passage of western civilisation.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Just to summarise for Nevada. Republicans have got more registered voters than the Dems. Their early turnout is better. Their early votes are bigger. The Dem margin was very small last time. If those Dem cavalry are going to come over the hill they are running out of time and may not in fact exist, So if somebody can please offer me some proof other than their pants water that the indies are breaking for Kamala by at least 5%, it is rather looking like Trump is winning in NV.

    And now, the Republican lead is up to 43,000.

    https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/the-early-voting-blog-2024

    Maybe independents will vote Democratic by a record margin; maybe there are vast numbers of Republicans for Harris.

    But, if you were running the Nevada campaign, you’d be much happier as a Republican than a Democrat.
    Given this and the Dade numbers, Trump at 10-1 in New Mexico looks good to me.
    That was my thought.

    The lead for the D in early voting registration still 11%+ but that is down from 15%+ a few days back.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 22,192
    edited October 30

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have
    passed democratically.
    I’d disagree.

    Making a judgement about an *individual* based on race is racist. That’s not the same as making a macro level judgement.
    Why?

    If you make macro level policies and judgements they can only actually have an effect if they effect individuals or your judgement is null and void.

    So it's a distinction without a difference.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,850
    Mr. Pulpstar, cheers for the tip, put a little on a red New Mexico.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,335

    Nigelb said:

    Evidence like this for the class of drugs keeps cropping up.

    Ozempic surpasses all other diabetes medications in preventing Alzheimer's disease in diabetics >60 years, effect is more pronounced in women, and independent of obesity.
    https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1851340269742145551

    At this rate, Ozempic is going to be the elixir of life that Putin is investing heavily into discovering...
    Side effects are pretty worrying though and there’s no duration post treatment
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,556
    We spoke about Beyonce (or some people did) not showing up to a Kamala Harris rally the other day. Interestingly, I heard at work yesterday that there's a huge backlash underway about Beyonce at present because she's been caught up in the P-Diddy stuff. These are the sort of cultural things that we sometimes miss. Would account for her appearance being cancelled.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,624
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    rkrkrk said:

    It would be nice if BBC understood that investment is different to spending.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78d5p1nypno

    It would be even better if the government did.

    There are disturbing signs they are going the Gordon Brown route.
    The whole political class, including the media, must know these by now, so I always assume that any confusion is deliberate.

    David Cameron used to regularly talk about “paying down the deficit”, which made me want to throw something at the TV.

    But then we had the pandemic, where it became really damn obvious that the media and most of the politicians had no grasp whatsoever of simple scientific concepts.
    I think you gravely overestimate the understanding of economics of the average hack
    I tend to assume that the need for technical/mathematical literacy in our politico-media classes has increased over the last 40 years, rather than a catastrophic decrease of the intellectual quality.

    I am perhaps over-generous.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,755
    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
    Little chance trump wrote that of course. But I think it does rather neatly sum up how Harris seems to be losing to such a beatable opponent.
    No it doesn't, because it's such a blatant lie. He's spent the last several years doing nothing but demonise large numbers of Americans. To suggest he wants to be a President for all of them when shouting he will lock people up for opposing him is nonsensical. Heck, Biden's silly remark was quoting words Trump's campaign had approved.

    The much more interesting and alarming question is, why do large numbers of people seem to want to believe such - to coin a phrase - garbage?

    And the worrying implication is that when Trump is finally done, that won't end the madness. Another far right candidate dedicated to subverting the system could emerge instead - one abler, more plausible, more slippery than a fat old bully obsessed with himself.

    Such a person would be infinitely more dangerous to America and the world, and heaven knows Trump is enough of a threat on his lonesome.
    On the assumption that we’re not seeing a polling failure and trump does sneak it (or more), I think the post mortem will centre on the Nazi coverage. In any case, I am mentally prepared for the victory of either candidate, both of which carry high risk for the safe passage of western civilisation.
    Harris does not 'carry a high risk for the safe passage of Western civilisation.'

    She may have political views you don't agree with, but at no time has she subverted the courts, tried to overturn an election result or ordered her followers to commit violence.

    She hasn't so far as I know threatened to nuke any random foreign countries either, which puts her ahead of both Trump and Hilary Clinton.

    Trump, by contrast, is determined to do as much economic and social damage as possible to gratify his bank balance and his ego. He's also unstable, corrupt, clearly incapable of concentrating on anything important for more than a few minutes and a risk to women. He has threatened to lock up his opponents, praised violent war criminals and wants to encourage Russian expansion in Eastern Europe.

    Equating the two is a nonsense.
    The risks are different but equally real. Under the 12 years of Democrat rule since Iraq, the party has completely lost all concept of credible deterrence. And the world is now on fire. It is far from clear what the Democrat strategy is regarding Russian and Iranian containment, but every few months the picture seems to get more unstable.

    Economically they have been running a deficit of +7% at a time of full employment, monetised by Active Treasury Issuance. The promotion of equality of outcome ahead of equality of opportunity, combined with the proposed taxation of uncrystallised MTM gains, and centrally controlled pricing, represents the slow death of American capitalism. And then there’s the increasing erosion of free speech and rise in censorship seen since 2020.

    There is high risk whoever wins. Americans must simply pick their poison.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 8,335

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have
    passed democratically.
    I’d disagree.

    Making a judgement about an *individual* based on race is racist. That’s not the same as making a macro level judgement.
    Why?

    If you make macro level policies and judgements they can only actually have an effect if they effect individuals or your judgement is null and void.


    So it's a distinction without a difference.
    Saying “I have a preference” for something is stating an opinion. Discriminating against an individual because of their skin colour is taking an action.

    That’s the difference.

    Saying “I want the UK to have zero immigration because I don’t want the racial composition to change” is not a view I share but it’s not intrinsically an unacceptable view.

    Adding “white babies only” was unfortunately but I think it was @Leon looking for an emotive phrase vs having thought through what he was implying about mixed race British kids.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,229
    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Yes, there is, you are explicitly making a statement about race and preferring one race to others. You are saying that British people, brought up in Britain by British parents, count less if their skin is brown or black.

    It’s also feeding off the Great Replacement Theory conspiracy, because it implies that Britain not remaining majority white British is a likely, imminent outcome, when it’s not.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,971

    We spoke about Beyonce (or some people did) not showing up to a Kamala Harris rally the other day. Interestingly, I heard at work yesterday that there's a huge backlash underway about Beyonce at present because she's been caught up in the P-Diddy stuff. These are the sort of cultural things that we sometimes miss. Would account for her appearance being cancelled.

    Like Epstein, the P-Diddy stuff is just Manna from Heaven for conspiraloons, who try to drag everyone into a circle of wrongdoing. We get the same over here in a smaller manner, with people posting pictures of Jimmy Saville with various people. Oddly, it doesn't really appear to have happened with Rolf Harris.
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