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Senatus Populusque – Previewing November’s other elections Part II

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  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,656
    edited October 30

    We spoke about Beyonce (or some people did) not showing up to a Kamala Harris rally the other day. Interestingly, I heard at work yesterday that there's a huge backlash underway about Beyonce at present because she's been caught up in the P-Diddy stuff. These are the sort of cultural things that we sometimes miss. Would account for her appearance being cancelled.

    She did actually show up at the Harris rally, but she made a four-minute speech and then left. Many of the audience were under the impression that they were going to get a musical performance from her, as other artists had done during the campaign. She was alleged to have been paid $10m to appear.

    https://x.com/kyliejanekremer/status/1850266532430979513

    Yes, there’s many A-list musicians caught up in and around the Diddy stuff. Definitely not saying any more than that!
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  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,229
    Sandpit said:

    This Single Rule Underpins All of Physics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q10_srZ-pbs

    This is quite a brilliant explanation of the principle of least action. I remember when the BBC used to do stuff like this.

    Bring back the Open University on broadcast TV.
    Even better, make all of their lecture archive available online, and set up their courses and examinations as a much cheaper way to obtain a degree through self-learning.
    The OU owns the intellectual property of that material. I presume you will compensate them for this. How are you going to pay for this? Borrowing or a one-off tax rise?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,479
    edited October 30
    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    ydoethur said:

    moonshine said:

    Trump:

    While I am running a campaign of positive solutions to save America, Kamala Harris is running a campaign of hate. She has spent all week comparing her political opponents to the most evil mass murderers in history. Now, on top of everything, Joe Biden calls our supporters “garbage.” You can’t lead America if you don’t love the American People. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden have shown they are both unfit to be President of the United States.

    I am proud to lead the biggest, broadest, and most important political coalition in American history. We are welcoming historic numbers of Latinos, African Americans, Asian Americans, and citizens of every race, religion, color, and creed. It is my desire to be the President of all the people.

    Shouldn't it be all in caps?

    Or have they finally taken his Twitter account off him and handed it to somebody who can pass for sane in a dim light?
    Little chance trump wrote that of course. But I think it does rather neatly sum up how Harris seems to be losing to such a beatable opponent.
    No it doesn't, because it's such a blatant lie. He's spent the last several years doing nothing but demonise large numbers of Americans. To suggest he wants to be a President for all of them when shouting he will lock people up for opposing him is nonsensical. Heck, Biden's silly remark was quoting words Trump's campaign had approved.

    The much more interesting and alarming question is, why do large numbers of people seem to want to believe such - to coin a phrase - garbage?

    And the worrying implication is that when Trump is finally done, that won't end the madness. Another far right candidate dedicated to subverting the system could emerge instead - one abler, more plausible, more slippery than a fat old bully obsessed with himself.

    Such a person would be infinitely more dangerous to America and the world, and heaven knows Trump is enough of a threat on his lonesome.
    On the assumption that we’re not seeing a polling failure and trump does sneak it (or more), I think the post mortem will centre on the Nazi coverage. In any case, I am mentally prepared for the victory of either candidate, both of which carry high risk for the safe passage of western civilisation.
    Harris does not 'carry a high risk for the safe passage of Western civilisation.'

    She may have political views you don't agree with, but at no time has she subverted the courts, tried to overturn an election result or ordered her followers to commit violence.

    She hasn't so far as I know threatened to nuke any random foreign countries either, which puts her ahead of both Trump and Hilary Clinton.

    Trump, by contrast, is determined to do as much economic and social damage as possible to gratify his bank balance and his ego. He's also unstable, corrupt, clearly incapable of concentrating on anything important for more than a few minutes and a risk to women. He has threatened to lock up his opponents, praised violent war criminals and wants to encourage Russian expansion in Eastern Europe.

    Equating the two is a nonsense.
    The risks are different but equally real. Under the 12 years of Democrat rule since Iraq, the party has completely lost all concept of credible deterrence. And the world is now on fire. It is far from clear what the Democrat strategy is regarding Russian and Iranian containment, but every few months the picture seems to get more unstable.

    Economically they have been running a deficit of +7% at a time of full employment, monetised by Active Treasury Issuance. The promotion of equality of outcome ahead of equality of opportunity, combined with the proposed taxation of uncrystallised MTM gains, and centrally controlled pricing, represents the slow death of American capitalism. And then there’s the increasing erosion of free speech and rise in censorship seen since 2020.
    There is high risk whoever wins. Americans must simply pick their poison.
    Trump had the third largest deficit in American history, behind W. Bush and Lincoln. On his watch the national debt increased by a whopping 39%.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump

    He also threatened to nuke North Korea before randomly sucking up to Kim Jong Un.

    He planed the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan and by his destabilising of American politics in an attempted coup convinced Putin America would be unwilling or unable to get involved if he attempted to annex Ukraine. Which is what 'set the world on fire.'

    So either what you said is false equivalence born of ignorance, or it's propaganda. But either way, it's not correct.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,229

    We spoke about Beyonce (or some people did) not showing up to a Kamala Harris rally the other day. Interestingly, I heard at work yesterday that there's a huge backlash underway about Beyonce at present because she's been caught up in the P-Diddy stuff. These are the sort of cultural things that we sometimes miss. Would account for her appearance being cancelled.

    Beyoncé appeared at a Harris rally the other day, which was after the “P-Diddy stuff” had broken, so your hypothesis seems unlikely.

    It’s Trump, of course, who is more caught up in the P-Diddy stuff, having previously called him a “good friend” and now trying to deny he ever knew him.
  • Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Yes, there is, you are explicitly making a statement about race and preferring one race to others. You are saying that British people, brought up in Britain by British parents, count less if their skin is brown or black.

    It’s also feeding off the Great Replacement Theory conspiracy, because it implies that Britain not remaining majority white British is a likely, imminent outcome, when it’s not.
    Yup. Skin colour is irrelevant. White Britons have been the literal enemies of the state - and barred from being the monarch - because they were the "other" faith.

    Seriously, skin colour racism is a bastion of the stupid. "They don't look like me" is the argument, even if they're born here like me and sound like me and go to the same school as me and share the same culture as me and pay taxes like me and vote like me. But Leon wants them as the "other"?

    He's better than that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,971

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Yes, there is, you are explicitly making a statement about race and preferring one race to others. You are saying that British people, brought up in Britain by British parents, count less if their skin is brown or black.

    It’s also feeding off the Great Replacement Theory conspiracy, because it implies that Britain not remaining majority white British is a likely, imminent outcome, when it’s not.
    Yup. Skin colour is irrelevant. White Britons have been the literal enemies of the state - and barred from being the monarch - because they were the "other" faith.

    Seriously, skin colour racism is a bastion of the stupid. "They don't look like me" is the argument, even if they're born here like me and sound like me and go to the same school as me and share the same culture as me and pay taxes like me and vote like me. But Leon wants them as the "other"?

    He's better than that.
    He isn't. He really isn't.

    He's been saying this sort of shit for years. People say he's just being edgy. I reckon it's what he really thinks.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,307

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    Yes, there is, you are explicitly making a statement about race and preferring one race to others. You are saying that British people, brought up in Britain by British parents, count less if their skin is brown or black.

    It’s also feeding off the Great Replacement Theory conspiracy, because it implies that Britain not remaining majority white British is a likely, imminent outcome, when it’s not.
    Yup. Skin colour is irrelevant. White Britons have been the literal enemies of the state - and barred from being the monarch - because they were the "other" faith.

    Seriously, skin colour racism is a bastion of the stupid. "They don't look like me" is the argument, even if they're born here like me and sound like me and go to the same school as me and share the same culture as me and pay taxes like me and vote like me. But Leon wants them as the "other"?

    He's better than that.
    He isn't. He really isn't.

    He's been saying this sort of shit for years. People say he's just being edgy. I reckon it's what he really thinks.
    And even if it was an edgy game at first, I'm not sure it is now.

    Self-radicalisation is the most potent form of radicalisation. See also: Robert Jenrick.
  • Back on topic, Harris will win. I did say "and it won't be close". OK maybe not a slam dunk now as it looked. But the hypothesis is simple:

    The Trump campaign is a giant gas bag. Self-reinforcing and self-inflating, a vast echo chamber promoted and enhanced on Twitter and Fux and Newsmax and Lies Social. Where EVERYONE you speak to and interact with is voting Trump and thinks like you and has the same fears as you and wants the same Murica as you. EVERYONE.

    We know the pollsters have had to correct in favour of Trump. Because they must be missing his voters considering that EVERYONE is voting Trump and the data isn't showing that without correction. So it looks closer now because its been corrected to look closer.

    Counter to that, we know that women are more likely to vote than men. We know that whilst the core Trump vote is ANGRY, the rest are just caught up and usually don't vote. Women - and proper men who don't belittle women - are angry at Trump and the GOP, have been registering in large numbers and are motivated.

    Don't drink the Trump cool-aid. That is literally what the Trump Musk campaign is wanting you to do.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,255
    HYUFD said:

    Oops

    https://x.com/ppollingnumbers/status/1851417098829865435

    Biden "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters"

    99% of Harris voters will agree with Biden, 99% of Trump voters won't.

    Nobody is changing their mind over that, it is all about turnout now
    It's also weird in that Trump says stuff like this all the time and no one cares, but even a sniff of it on the other side and people freak out.

    I think the Dems should not sink to Trump's level too, but the double standard, by the American public even, is very odd.
  • kamskikamski Posts: 5,194


    I'm not sure why the Democrats have managed to remain competitive in the Senate. The Republicans have done a lot better in the national popular vote in the House elections than they have in Presidential elections, so maybe the Democrats have tended to choose stronger candidates for Senate elections.

    I think we know the answer to this one, GOP primary voters just keep choosing terrible candidates in winnable races.
    Partly because there are still a couple of Dem senators in heavily Rep states, but they are a dying breed, so it will be very difficult for Dems to get a Senate majority any time soon.

    Eg in 2016 the Republican presidential candidate won 30 out of 50 states despite losing in the popular vote by over 2%. That would hypothetically translate to a 60/100 Republican Senate majority on a lower vote share than Democrats nationally, which demonstrates how tough the Senate is for Ds.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,401

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have passed democratically.
    If there was a referendum on migration in most Western nations it would be to slash migration levels drastically. That is also feeding into the democratic process with victories for the likes of Meloni, Wilders and Abbott on that basis and surging support for the populist right including Le Pen, Farage and Trump
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,578
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    There's nothing racist about saying Britain should remain majority white British.

    It is quite literally racist.

    You may think its acceptable but that's a different matter.
    Is saying India should remain majority Hindu or China and Japan majority Chinese or Japanese or Africa majority black racist?

    Of course there are races who have become the minority in their nations, the American Indians or the Aborigines in Australia or Maori in New Zealand for example. Many on the woke left now think that a crime.

    It is quite possible within a century Eastern Europe could be the only majority white area of the globe, for better or worse
    Yes, yes, yes and yes.

    Making decisions based on race or judging people based on race is pretty much the definition of racism.

    The difference between what happened to the Aborigines etc and migration to this country is that Australia and America were colonised without the invitation or consent of the original inhabitants. Migrants coming to this country are following the laws we have passed democratically.
    If there was a referendum on migration in most Western nations it would be to slash migration levels drastically. That is also feeding into the democratic process with victories for the likes of Meloni, Wilders and Abbott on that basis and surging support for the populist right including Le Pen, Farage and Trump
    If true - sometimes people win elections not on other policy’s just how previous government left people feeling worse off - then as this discussion has clearly proven to you, has it not, what you allude to is ALWAYS based on statistically wrong negative sentiments, Neanderthal and unprogressive them and us world viewpoints, which strong and serious politicians, politicians that are in politics for the good of their country and people first, not themselves, should always argue AGAINST, not STOKE nor EXPLOIT.
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