Unpopular opinion on the test. We need the occasional batting wicket borefest draw. Modern test matches are usually done in 3-4 days and I think they’re giving bowlers an easy ride. It develops bowlers’ skill to have to toil in hard conditions and winkle out a wicket from time to time. It also tests captains in different ways.
Plus it’s great for batsmen’s test averages. A nice occasional top up opportunity.
Average runs per wicket are a little bit down compared to 10-20 years ago, but nothing unusual. Matches are completed earlier because ruins are being scored a lot more quickly.
There's a specific problem with pitches in Pakistan. They have clearly the highest average in world cricket.
Loved all the expert opinion, to get to Badenoch and Jenrick as you would have assumed at the outset.
Clearly Badenoch's to lose, which she won't.
Easily the most interesting option out of all the candidates. It may blow up, but we are 4 years and 8 months from the next general election and it is worth the risk.
Yesterday I lost £5 by betting on Tugendhat not being eliminated at high odds, today I had £5 on Cleverly being eliminated at high odds. Expected to lose both.
I knew this was a market I should stay out of. Play it right, and you could have traded it for a fortune. I'd have got it wrong at pretty well every step.
As it is, I limited my losses by cashing out for a £2 loss, before the first round, and walked away without looking back. Thank heavens.
Were Badenoch/Jenrick supporters voting for Cleverly yesterday and why? Perhaps to convince him he was in the final two and could 'lend' a few votes elsewhere. This really doesn't make much sense.
Bloody funny, if that's true. Bit sad for the party, though.
Heh, part of me thinks this is just funny, the Conservatives wandering off into the wilderness.
Another part of me thinks this is concerning - if Labour don't get their act together then Jenrick or Badenoch as PM could possibly happen
A large part of me is glad that I didn't top up on Cleverly earlier - almost did, but didn't fancy the odds.
A larger part of me is thinking it's time to hedge on Badenoch now - she was my only red when we were down to four and has remained so. Jenrick's been doing his best to tickle all the Tory members' most unspeakable bits, but they still might long for a bit of Bad Enoch, particularly if she manages to keep her foot out of her mouth for a bit.
You can't keep an old dog down. The Tory party might be on their knees after their worst election result for 200 years but I'll say this; they still know how to provide entertainment.
Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?
It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.
*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.
Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.
I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.
When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?
It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.
*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.
Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.
I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.
When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.
When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.
If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
Did you read my post?
RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
Of course I read your post.
The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
And that's your problem.
Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.
Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.
Then compare that to the stuff you mention.
You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.
Based on the results alone, Badenoch has had the best campaign. She gained votes in every round and will go into the members vote as the clear favourite against a damaged Jenrick.
Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.
Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.
As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
Would Donald Trump - or any PBers - favor OR oppose the following proposd amendment to the US Constitution:
No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.
Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?
He should still be 14/1, Kemi’s got this with the members.
Well I've been in and out on Jenrick at 12.5/3 in the last 20 minutes, and I reckon I recovered the incy-wincy hit I took getting out of laying Kemi before lunch.
I think. It's telling me I laid Cleverly as well, but I don't think I did - is that how BFX rebalances things when you cash out?
Based on the results alone, Badenoch has had the best campaign. She gained votes in every round and will go into the members vote as the clear favourite against a damaged Jenrick.
Yep. Who knew getting rid of maternity pay would go down so well!
Doesn't she also have a record of opposing Winter Fuel Payment?
Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.
Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.
As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
If you believe this then you can make serious money as he is 2.6 on BF.
Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.
Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.
As one who will be voting in the next round I am relieved that Jenrick is still there. He will almost certainly win the vote with members. This can hardly be a surprise.
I agree. Brilliant effort by Bobby J, and frankly, the PCP - now game on for the members' ballot and no toxic argument about the oh-so-clever MPs being overruled by the membership.
Hot theory: Jenrick and Badenoch BOTH lent votes to Cleverly in the previous round, Cleverly thinking he had the numbers then went and lent votes to Jenrick whilst losing his own lent votes
Would Donald Trump - or any PBers - favor OR oppose the following proposd amendment to the US Constitution:
No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.
Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?
@robfordmancs Somehow Con MPs have managed to (a) eliminate the candidate with the clearest appeal to swing voters the party needs (Cleverly) and (b) ensure that whoever wins the members ballot starts without the support of most MPs.
@robfordmancs Probably the happiest Tory tonight will be Boris Johnson.
I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.
Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.
The assumption that Badenoch is a gift to Labour seems very presumptuous. The sight of the centre-left calling her a far-right extremist will look weird to normal people.
@robfordmancs Somehow Con MPs have managed to (a) eliminate the candidate with the clearest appeal to swing voters the party needs (Cleverly) and (b) ensure that whoever wins the members ballot starts without the support of most MPs.
@robfordmancs Probably the happiest Tory tonight will be Boris Johnson.
Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?
It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.
*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.
Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.
I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.
When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?
It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.
*Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty.
Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.
I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.
When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.
When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.
If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
Did you read my post?
RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
Of course I read your post.
The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
And that's your problem.
Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.
Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.
Then compare that to the stuff you mention.
You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.
A Foreign Secretary throws off his minders after a meeting to discuss the Salisbury poisonings by Russia a few days earlier, to attend a party hosted by a one of Putin's circle. He makes the son of Putin's friend ( a KGB Officer) a member of the House of Lords. This is years before Ukraine. For those of us with Johnson derangement syndrome we might suggest that Johnson's enthusiasm for Ukraine was the last throw of the dice for his troubled and dying premiership.
It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.
...which implies they should use some kind of instant runoff voting. An alternative voting method, if you will. Mayhap the mods could write such an article...
Well this is fun, isn’t it? This election keeps on giving and giving. I don’t think I can remember any contest of any sort, political or otherwise, which has swung odds so wildly from one possible winner to another. I confess this is one outcome I couldn’t see how it would happen. But it’s so personal – who someone will vote for as leader goes well beyond a broad policy position or ideologue vs pragmatist – it’s do I like person x, y or z and if so in what order. Well done to Andy_JS who foresaw these as the final two from the start, and to HYUFD who even an hour ago with Jenrick’s price cratering was steadfast that this was not an accurate reflection of reality. Possibly it was a self-reinforcing spiral – Jenrick’s price sliding out convincing punters that Jenrick was out, who bet accordingly, forcing his price out further.
I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.
Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.
Yeah, great, what this country really needs is a guy who thinks life has no purpose, a painful death is all that awaits us, and the universe is a meaningless great void of howling nullity. That'll get the voters queueing up
I'm genuinely disappointed, even though Cleverly was a much stronger candidate and this scarcely believable fiasco suits Labour.
Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.
Yeah, great, what this country really needs is a guy who thinks life has no purpose, a painful death is all that awaits us, and the universe is a meaningless great void of howling nullity. That'll get the voters queueing up
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There's a specific problem with pitches in Pakistan. They have clearly the highest average in world cricket.
Clearly Badenoch's to lose, which she won't.
Easily the most interesting option out of all the candidates. It may blow up, but we are 4 years and 8 months from the next general election and it is worth the risk.
Play it right, and you could have traded it for a fortune. I'd have got it wrong at pretty well every step.
As it is, I limited my losses by cashing out for a £2 loss, before the first round, and walked away without looking back. Thank heavens.
Next time, I'll just follow Andy's tips.
Bit sad for the party, though.
Another part of me thinks this is concerning - if Labour don't get their act together then Jenrick or Badenoch as PM could possibly happen
A large part of me is glad that I didn't top up on Cleverly earlier - almost did, but didn't fancy the odds.
A larger part of me is thinking it's time to hedge on Badenoch now - she was my only red when we were down to four and has remained so. Jenrick's been doing his best to tickle all the Tory members' most unspeakable bits, but they still might long for a bit of Bad Enoch, particularly if she manages to keep her foot out of her mouth for a bit.
Kemi Badenoch to become UK Prime Minister by 2040
11/4
Seems credible
( Is there a Mr Men character called Mr Bastard?)
Mr Notso-Clever is eliminated.
Lord knows you'll have plenty of company in that.
Let's assume Allie is not an angel, as you assume, but an evil actor. Then *think* about if he was a Tory, and had got his sticky fingers into candidate selection and having a No. 10 pass - as well as all the other access he'd have got. You would be *furious*.
Allie probably is not an evil actor. But if he was one, the influence he has bought is significant.
Then compare that to the stuff you mention.
You assume that because he is Labour, intentions are bad. In the cases above, you assume that as they are Tories, their intentions are evil. This is particularly ridiculous in Johnson's case given his longstanding pro-Ukraine stance.
I'd assume that Cleverly's campaign royally fucked it up, and couldn't count the votes properly.
It'd be hilarious, if Labour were not continually stepping on rakes.
They're probably doomed regardless, but their only possible hope is to try and recover their right flank.
After all, why stay? If you're sane you can join Lab or Lib Dem. If you're crazy you might as well go full fat and join Reform.
No amendment of this Constitution, having for its object any interference within the States with the relations between their citizens and those described in second section of the first article of the Constitution as "all other persons", shall originate with any State that does not recognize that relation within its own limits, or shall be valid without the assent of every one of the States composing the Union.
Seems like a logical extension of SCOTUS ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, which overturned Roe v. Wade?
Wow.
The happiest today is probably BoZo. When Kemi implodes he will "stand ready to serve..."
I think. It's telling me I laid Cleverly as well, but I don't think I did - is that how BFX rebalances things when you cash out?
Too Clever(ly) by half LOL
Doesn't she also have a record of opposing Winter Fuel Payment?
Have you considered becoming a Starmerite?
When clearly it’s nothing like AV whatsoever.
I'm very impressed that the Conservatives have managed to lose an election which only had Conservatives running in it.
The fact that reform voters are not natural Tory voters will be a later discovery
Badenoch v Jenrick is best news for Labour since 10pm July 4th.
What a total toss up.
'Be more normal'.
Tories: Nah.
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@PippaCrerar
One Labour MP texts to ask if the Tory leadership result needs to be declared as a gift...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2024/10/08/TELEMMGLPICT000397193891_17284078092710_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpeg?imwidth=1280&imdensity=2
1) She's very popular with Tory grassroots. Fairly or otherwise this automatically makes the rest of the country suspicious.
2) She speaks frankly and doesn't consider how her words can be twisted.
3) She's actually very anti populist. Good luck getting the British people to accept an end to cakeism.
Somehow Con MPs have managed to (a) eliminate the candidate with the clearest appeal to swing voters the party needs (Cleverly) and (b) ensure that whoever wins the members ballot starts without the support of most MPs.
@robfordmancs
Probably the happiest Tory tonight will be Boris Johnson.
Cleverly was a centrist Dad Cameroon with no energy or ideas and would have led the Tories nowhere, AGAIN
Jenrick is dislikeable, Badenoch is insane, but... the Tories had to roll the dice. They have correctly done so
Cleverly is a nice guy, a thoughtful decent man – and an atheist. It would have been interesting – and overdue – to have atheists leading both big parties, which reflected the irreligious nature of our nation.
What a clusterfuck.
So he's an effective little shit.
I confess this is one outcome I couldn’t see how it would happen. But it’s so personal – who someone will vote for as leader goes well beyond a broad policy position or ideologue vs pragmatist – it’s do I like person x, y or z and if so in what order.
Well done to Andy_JS who foresaw these as the final two from the start, and to HYUFD who even an hour ago with Jenrick’s price cratering was steadfast that this was not an accurate reflection of reality. Possibly it was a self-reinforcing spiral – Jenrick’s price sliding out convincing punters that Jenrick was out, who bet accordingly, forcing his price out further.