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Jenrick’s price is collapsing like the England test team's batting in the 1990s

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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,437

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Sky News: if there is a tie for bottom place in the Tory leadership vote the 1922 committee has decided the votes will go on until the tie is broken.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Why technology is awesome.

    My Apple Watch Series 10 detected my grandmother’s atrial fibrillation today using the ECG feature.

    She’s now at the hospital and receiving the care she needs.

    I still can’t believe it.


    https://x.com/NikiasMolina/status/1843749096064164107
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 9

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    edited October 9

    Sandpit said:

    In case anyone wants to know why “Miss Piggy” is trending, it’s the nickname of the US government’s atmospheric research plane which is currently having their definition of “fun”, going into the washing-machine that is Milton just off the Florida coast.

    https://x.com/noaa_hurrhunter/status/1843706785401843941

    Those pilots and crew have rather large balls. God speed.

    Or, if you read other places, the tinfoil-hatters have it that they're somehow causing, or powering up, the hurricane.

    But yes, the guys (and gals?) in those planes are braver than I am. It's also interesting that it's a prop-driven airplane rather than a jet. expense, or are prop-driven planes less susceptible to such violent weather effects (flameouts?)
    Good question. They’re turbine-engined, but not sure if having a prop rather than a fan on the front makes it more or less likely to flameout out with a deluge of water when flying in thick cloud. Perhaps older engines have more tolerance for poor conditions, as opposed to modern engines built to a spec and designed to fail 1% outside that spec.

    More likely is that they built these aircraft decades ago, they have a million grandfather rights, and trying to build and certify something new would be close to impossible in the current regulatory regime regardless of cost.

    https://www.businessinsider.in/Meet-the-Hurricane-Hunters-the-pilots-and-scientists-who-fly-into-hurricanes-like-Dorian-to-gather-data-for-forecasters/Meet-Miss-Piggy-one-of-NOAAs-two-Lockheed-WP-3D-Orion-Hurricane-Hunter-aircraft-/slideshow/70901627.cms
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_WP-3D_Orion
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    HYUFD said:

    darkage said:

    I've not followed this contest in detail but would comment that Jenrick came across poorly on TV. He imitates Cameron's attempts to project authority, but the promises are to do all the stuff that the same people have just failed to do for the last 14 years. If the aim is to target reform voters, that will be the rebuttal. I have a sense that Badenoch would make more progress in terms of creating something new that appeals to younger voters; a reinvention of the conservative party, rather than just a tweaked 'business as usual', I suppose the key to success is to make her gaffes part of her political style rather than evidence of weakness.

    Jenrick actually has the ideas on building new affordable homes, controlling immigration etc.

    All Badenoch wants is a war on woke and a war with the civil service which will be toxic to most younger voters
    Jenrick was about as much use as a fart in a spacesuit when he was Housing Secretary. He's remembered by leaseholders (of which there are 4.77 million in the country) as the man who presided over a complete cock up on remediation post-grenfell, leading to distressing bills, EWS 1 form complications and other disasters that led to a complete upending of people's lives, a gumming up of the property market and slump in values.

    Here's a good takedown of Jenrick's calamitous time as Housing Secretary by a journalist who writes for Inside Housing on his personal substack:

    https://peteapps.substack.com/p/robert-jenrick-was-the-worst-housing

    Not only was he incompetent, he was callous and contemptuous, too.

    That's at least 4.77m people who haven't forgotten, and wouldn't vote for him even if the alternative was a literal lettuce.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,900

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A bit of good news for Jenrick.

    "Nick Timothy MP
    @NJ_Timothy

    I supported Tom Tugendhat for the Tory leadership until he was knocked out today. I will vote for Rob Jenrick tomorrow. My party needs to be unsparing in its analysis of why we lost and what we must do next. Rob has shown his willingness to do that, so he has my full support."

    https://x.com/NJ_Timothy/status/1843714939896377856

    Indeed, punters can say what they want but most Tugendhat backers I know are backing Jenrick or Cleverly.

    Tim Montgomerie has also now switched from Tugendhat to Jenrick, given Badenoch was already behind Jenrick in the last round she urgently needs more Tugendhat backers, especially as Cleverly may also lend some votes to Jenrick to knock her out
    https://x.com/montie/status/1843944885306732980
    Cleverly won't lend any votes - he will want to be seen as the clear leader amongst MPs, and dare the membership to vote the other way.
    You don't know the members that well, there's still loads of them that are seething about Liz Truss being forced to resign and Rishi being installed without their (our) consent. Cleverly shouldn't be banking on the members doing him any favours, he'll need to win every single one of their votes.
    At least they will have been placated when he did as asked and secured that cherished election victory that was so central to his bid.
    If the members had elected him instead of Truss from the off I think we'd have ended up with a hung parliament as the Tories would have held on to their economic trust rating that Liz Truss threw away. Voters put up with a lot of shit if they think you will keep them in their jobs and a roof over their heads.
    It was also the process of defenestrating Truss, so soon after the members had elected her, that gave Reform the first boost to their opinion poll scores.

    If Sunak had been elected from the off then Reform may have remained moribund.
    Reform are not a reaction to Truss’s defenestration.
    To Johnson’s, maybe.
    I can see why you would say that, but the evidence suggests otherwise. Reform opinion poll scores are flat through 2022, with the highest at 5%, unmoved when Johnson announced his resignation, or Truss took over.

    Immediately after Sunak takes over they score 6% in a YouGov, then 9% in a YouGov one month later. 5% is by this point looking like their lower bound with all pollsters, besides dear old Ipsos who still had them on 2%.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,808

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A bit of good news for Jenrick.

    "Nick Timothy MP
    @NJ_Timothy

    I supported Tom Tugendhat for the Tory leadership until he was knocked out today. I will vote for Rob Jenrick tomorrow. My party needs to be unsparing in its analysis of why we lost and what we must do next. Rob has shown his willingness to do that, so he has my full support."

    https://x.com/NJ_Timothy/status/1843714939896377856

    Indeed, punters can say what they want but most Tugendhat backers I know are backing Jenrick or Cleverly.

    Tim Montgomerie has also now switched from Tugendhat to Jenrick, given Badenoch was already behind Jenrick in the last round she urgently needs more Tugendhat backers, especially as Cleverly may also lend some votes to Jenrick to knock her out
    https://x.com/montie/status/1843944885306732980
    Cleverly won't lend any votes - he will want to be seen as the clear leader amongst MPs, and dare the membership to vote the other way.
    You don't know the members that well, there's still loads of them that are seething about Liz Truss being forced to resign and Rishi being installed without their (our) consent. Cleverly shouldn't be banking on the members doing him any favours, he'll need to win every single one of their votes.
    At least they will have been placated when he did as asked and secured that cherished election victory that was so central to his bid.
    Is the current membership the same as the previous membership or have a lot of the Boris fans and Brexiteers allowed their subscriptions to lapse?
    The vast increase in the Reform membership might indicate that, but I don't see why it wouldn't have lapsed a fair bit in whatever remoaner faction there is too. People like BigG.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    TimS said:

    Unpopular opinion on the test. We need the occasional batting wicket borefest draw. Modern test matches are usually done in 3-4 days and I think they’re giving bowlers an easy ride. It develops bowlers’ skill to have to toil in hard conditions and winkle out a wicket from time to time. It also tests captains in different ways.

    Plus it’s great for batsmen’s test averages. A nice occasional top up opportunity.

    Also, draws aren't boring.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 23,885
    edited October 9

    The Rest is Entertainment looks at Boris's new book and comparing it with other PMs' memoirs. Apparently some people at Harper Collins think it will sell as well as Prince Harry's, which sold 400,000 in a week. There's also a special edition based on fantasy novels. £2 million advance and £1 million from the Mail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6331qRVJiwo

    TRiE seems to have scooped The Rest is Politics and The Rest is Football.

    40k subscribers vs ~300k for the other two, though I'm not sure what it has to do with football. I'd guess they are trying boost subscribers on the tiddler, then may re-run it on the bigger podcasts.

    Or alternatively could run one with a different focus.

    Whatever happens, it's all money in Gary Lineker's pocket - assuming the network is profitable.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 812
    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,437

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
    Of course I read your post.

    The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,943

    Eabhal said:

    Folks, we have another Post Office:

    https://x.com/SamMarkWill/status/1843731064025690266?t=OTsL834QrL0VGjtbpKjcQw&s=19

    Add to this private parking fines and TV licensing.

    Kafka would be proud.
    It's a nightmare.

    A a few years ago I had a ticket from St Pancras to Sheffield but due to an incident the lines were closed and there was a ticket acceptance in place.

    I went from next door at King's Cross to Doncaster on LNER then Doncaster to Sheffield on a Northern service.

    The conductor on the LNER service was fine, no issues.

    On the Northern leg I was threatened will all sorts as I didn't have a valid ticket for Doncaster to Sheffield, conductor threatened me with all of the above and only backed down when I showed him Northern's social media account which said there was a ticket acceptance in place.
    Our railway system is broken at a fundamental level. There is a presumption that customers are criminals - so many operators simply assume that any infraction is purposeful and deliberate. Despite the vast multiplicity of stupid tickets and rules.

    The case there on Twitter is brilliant. Northern sell him a ticket and then prosecute him for using it. Madness on stilts, yet you still get wazzocks banging on about "terms and conditions.'" No luv, they *sold* the ticket. So if anyone is in breach it is the train company.

    And TSE's example? Happens so much. I read about other examples of mendacious idiocy where grippers and revenue inspectors seem almost giddy to have caught a "criminal".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Unpopular opinion on the test. We need the occasional batting wicket borefest draw. Modern test matches are usually done in 3-4 days and I think they’re giving bowlers an easy ride. It develops bowlers’ skill to have to toil in hard conditions and winkle out a wicket from time to time. It also tests captains in different ways.

    Plus it’s great for batsmen’s test averages. A nice occasional top up opportunity.

    Also, draws aren't boring.
    If we lose the draw cricket will no longer quite be cricket.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610

    Why technology is awesome.

    My Apple Watch Series 10 detected my grandmother’s atrial fibrillation today using the ECG feature.

    She’s now at the hospital and receiving the care she needs.

    I still can’t believe it.


    https://x.com/NikiasMolina/status/1843749096064164107

    That is excellent news though I cannot use that feature now I have a pacemaker

    I hope she receives excellent treatment as I did
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,069
    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: if there is a tie for bottom place in the Tory leadership vote the 1922 committee has decided the votes will go on until the tie is broken.

    They've decided this with 8 minutes to go before the result?!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    What on God's green Earth is RAFgate?

    Is this more or less world-shattering than Swiftgate and Currygate?
    Starmer was criticised last week by Big G for not praising the RAF pilots who shot down the Iranian missiles headed for Iran because Starmer didn't want to antagonise his left.

    Turns out the RAF didn't take part in shooting down any missiles, turns out we gave other military and intelligence support which Starmer did praise
    Ah, thanks for the explanation. I can see why Sir Keir will now be sleeping uneasy, what with BigG on his afterburner.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    edited October 9
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: if there is a tie for bottom place in the Tory leadership vote the 1922 committee has decided the votes will go on until the tie is broken.

    They've decided this with 8 minutes to go before the result?!
    Presumably the MPs vote with ballot papers put in a single ballot box, and not by walking through three ‘lobbies’ where observers can count them?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Tick, tick, tick...announcement at 15:30
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 9

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
    Of course I read your post.

    The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
    Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling of Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Wouldn't electing Cleverly just be a sign that the Tories are going to spend another couple of years deciding who they are going to be?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Three minutes...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,402

    Why technology is awesome.

    My Apple Watch Series 10 detected my grandmother’s atrial fibrillation today using the ECG feature.

    She’s now at the hospital and receiving the care she needs.

    I still can’t believe it.


    https://x.com/NikiasMolina/status/1843749096064164107

    Take that, official Tory impoverished pensioner with your £10,000 Rolex.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    What on God's green Earth is RAFgate?

    Is this more or less world-shattering than Swiftgate and Currygate?
    Starmer was criticised last week by Big G for not praising the RAF pilots who shot down the Iranian missiles headed for Iran because Starmer didn't want to antagonise his left.

    Turns out the RAF didn't take part in shooting down any missiles, turns out we gave other military and intelligence support which Starmer did praise
    And I apologised for my error re the missiles, but did then quote the full statement from the Ministry of Defence

    Sometimes we get it wrong and recognise it

    I was impressed with Starmer’s response on the Falklands today at PMQs and certainly there can be no reason to doubt he supports the Falklands
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    The anticipation!
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: if there is a tie for bottom place in the Tory leadership vote the 1922 committee has decided the votes will go on until the tie is broken.

    They've decided this with 8 minutes to go before the result?!
    Just after they finished counting? :lol:

    Well, that would be 'exciting' wouldn't it?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,402
    Half past three soon. Is the next leadership vote result due now?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    The moment of truth approaches.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sky News: if there is a tie for bottom place in the Tory leadership vote the 1922 committee has decided the votes will go on until the tie is broken.

    They've decided this with 8 minutes to go before the result?!
    Honest Bob running it as old lady Brady got booted out.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    Still not as good as the exit poll
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    Half past three soon. Is the next leadership vote result due now?

    Yes
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    edited October 9

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.

    Eabhal said:

    Have we done Starmer's uncle was on the Belgrano yet?

    It’ll be bigger than RAF gate than last week.
    Fair play to BigG and Sky News. They have got all the big calls right; Currygate, Goonergate, RAFgate and TaylorSwiftgate*.

    *Although Jenrick just got a pasting on LBC for TaylorSwiftgate.
    And you, seemingly, will defend anyone-but-Tories over everything. No-one ever does anything wrong; unless they're Tories, in which case they're automagically guilty. ;)
    Here you go again. As far as I am aware other than a late submission, Starmer has done nothing contrary to the rules. Now whether the rules are inappropriate and Starmer is a hypocrite are pertinent but different questions.

    I believe one of the current Tory candidates failed to acknowledge his wife's free tickets to the Women's World Cup in Sydney. I don't care about that. I don't care about Mrs Bamford paying for Johnson's home delivered dinner or wallpaper paid for by Lord Brownlow. Johnson by the way complained of Starmer's greedy freebies just yesterday. What I do care about is PPE contract fast lanes and Foreign Secretaries attending Bunga Bunga Parties with KGB officers and over ruling planning in favour of Richard Desmond. One is froth, one is corruption.

    When I defend non-Conservative corruption you will have a point.
    The problem is with seeing corruption whenever a Conservative breathes, yet you seem to ignore everything by everyone else. As you show in your very post with your look-Tories! paragraph.

    When it's a Tory, you see wrong-doing everywhere. Yet you excuse Labour. You don't defend 'non-Conservative corruption' because you don't see it; whilst every Tory is corrupt.

    If these claims were being made about a Tory, you would be all over them.
    Did you read my post?

    RichardDesmondgate is not comparable to Aliigate. Wallpapergate is comparable to Aliigate and I don't care about either.
    Of course I read your post.

    The problem is in your 'not comparable'; which is where, I fear, you are going wrong.
    Do you genuinely believe that Alli's bankrolling Starmer is equitable to Johnson visiting Lebedev's villa or Ministers's relatives making pots of money on dodgy PPE or Jenrick accepting a (pathetic) £10,000 donation to the Conservative Party for interfering with planning decisions?
    It’s not the offence, it’s the hypocrisy.

    Starmer was telling everyone he’d be whiter than white, then spent almost every weekend at the football in the company of Euro Prem League lobbyists, and he and many of his ministers turned up at pop concerts and nightclubs, and had ridiculous amounts thrown at them for clothes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,900
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    A bit of good news for Jenrick.

    "Nick Timothy MP
    @NJ_Timothy

    I supported Tom Tugendhat for the Tory leadership until he was knocked out today. I will vote for Rob Jenrick tomorrow. My party needs to be unsparing in its analysis of why we lost and what we must do next. Rob has shown his willingness to do that, so he has my full support."

    https://x.com/NJ_Timothy/status/1843714939896377856

    Indeed, punters can say what they want but most Tugendhat backers I know are backing Jenrick or Cleverly.

    Tim Montgomerie has also now switched from Tugendhat to Jenrick, given Badenoch was already behind Jenrick in the last round she urgently needs more Tugendhat backers, especially as Cleverly may also lend some votes to Jenrick to knock her out
    https://x.com/montie/status/1843944885306732980
    Cleverly won't lend any votes - he will want to be seen as the clear leader amongst MPs, and dare the membership to vote the other way.
    You don't know the members that well, there's still loads of them that are seething about Liz Truss being forced to resign and Rishi being installed without their (our) consent. Cleverly shouldn't be banking on the members doing him any favours, he'll need to win every single one of their votes.
    At least they will have been placated when he did as asked and secured that cherished election victory that was so central to his bid.
    If the members had elected him instead of Truss from the off I think we'd have ended up with a hung parliament as the Tories would have held on to their economic trust rating that Liz Truss threw away. Voters put up with a lot of shit if they think you will keep them in their jobs and a roof over their heads.
    It was also the process of defenestrating Truss, so soon after the members had elected her, that gave Reform the first boost to their opinion poll scores.

    If Sunak had been elected from the off then Reform may have remained moribund.
    Reform are not a reaction to Truss’s defenestration.
    To Johnson’s, maybe.
    I think it's both. She came into power promising to do all of the things that Reform were saying they'd do wrt tax cuts and then she got ejected by the MPs so the chunk of Tory voters who aligned with that began to vote Reform after that. If she had not been voted in they'd never have had that impetus in the first place. Far, far fewer voters would have gone over without Truss showing that the Tories weren't going to implement policies for Reform.
    I think also that the conspiracy that her failure as PM was a coup organised by left-wing bankers was then back-projected onto Johnson's removal as well, since Johnson is a more popular figure than Truss as a martyr.

    But this reaction didn't happen until after Truss was given the heave. That was what kicked it off.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942

    Why technology is awesome.

    My Apple Watch Series 10 detected my grandmother’s atrial fibrillation today using the ECG feature.

    She’s now at the hospital and receiving the care she needs.

    I still can’t believe it.


    https://x.com/NikiasMolina/status/1843749096064164107

    Take that, official Tory impoverished pensioner with your £10,000 Rolex.
    If that pensioner sells his Rolex and replaces it with an entry-level Garmin, the cost savings to the NHS could be enormous.

    It's makes the removal of WFP one of the smartest policies ever. 4D economics from Reeves.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Badenoch 42
    Jenrick 41
    Cleverly 37
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610
    Oh dear
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    edited October 9
    Bye bye
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Jenrick!!!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    LOL Kemi wins!!!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Andy_JS said:

    Badenoch 42
    Jenrick 41
    Cleverly 37

    [badword]
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,402
    edited October 9
    Cleverly out according to the betting! What news?

    ETA I see now.
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 812
    @Andy_JS called this from the start, wow!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    What the fuck???????

    The Tories have just committed hare kare.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    Kemi!!!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Don’t ever write off a Cambridge educated lawyer.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,942
    edited October 9
    Woops
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Wow.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Cleverly stupefied.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,916
    WTFBBQ
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
    Well you got that all wrong
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,888
    edited October 9
    Andy_JS said:

    Badenoch 42
    Jenrick 41
    Cleverly 37

    What the actual f***?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,943
    Well shit in a bag and punch it.

    What a choice for Tory party members!!!
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792
    Apologies (and congratulations) to @Dumbosaurus
  • Eabhal said:

    Folks, we have another Post Office:

    https://x.com/SamMarkWill/status/1843731064025690266?t=OTsL834QrL0VGjtbpKjcQw&s=19

    Add to this private parking fines and TV licensing.

    Kafka would be proud.
    It's a nightmare.

    A a few years ago I had a ticket from St Pancras to Sheffield but due to an incident the lines were closed and there was a ticket acceptance in place.

    I went from next door at King's Cross to Doncaster on LNER then Doncaster to Sheffield on a Northern service.

    The conductor on the LNER service was fine, no issues.

    On the Northern leg I was threatened will all sorts as I didn't have a valid ticket for Doncaster to Sheffield, conductor threatened me with all of the above and only backed down when I showed him Northern's social media account which said there was a ticket acceptance in place.
    Our railway system is broken at a fundamental level. There is a presumption that customers are criminals - so many operators simply assume that any infraction is purposeful and deliberate. Despite the vast multiplicity of stupid tickets and rules.

    The case there on Twitter is brilliant. Northern sell him a ticket and then prosecute him for using it. Madness on stilts, yet you still get wazzocks banging on about "terms and conditions.'" No luv, they *sold* the ticket. So if anyone is in breach it is the train company.

    And TSE's example? Happens so much. I read about other examples of mendacious idiocy where grippers and revenue inspectors seem almost giddy to have caught a "criminal".
    I recently had to travel from Reading to Swindon, by train, at 9:30. (For the benefit of non-Southerners, both Reading and Swindon are stations on the main GWR line from London Paddington to Bristol.) The ticket office explained to me (because I certainly didn't know!) that it was cheaper for me to buy tickets from Reading to Didcot and then Didcot to Swindon, rather than buy a direct ticket. If I was trying to get to somewhere exotic or interesting I could understand that split ticketing might be advantageous, but not when my destination is just two stations down the line. Full marks to the ticket office for noticing and telling me about it. The whole system is just daft.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Some proper dark arts going on amongst the MPs in the voting lol
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 36,099
    Amazeballs
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,471
    Way to vote lend Jimmy!!
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,032
    Haha, Cleverly was the only broadly sensible one. Good luck to the Tories with Jenrick and Badenoch 😂😂
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
    Well you got that all wrong
    I did and I just apologised. Next.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    Has Cleverly gone out because too many of his supporters voted tactically? Or maybe he was receiving tactical votes yesterday.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins

    Is this a good time to remind you that I have a fiver on Kemi at 11/8 from several weeks ago?
  • Geneva is definitely a bit on the dull side.
    On the other hand, it's near to both Zurich anf the South of France, whence one can make up for it, and then get a boat onto Italy and Greece.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    So who was on Jenrick at the 14/1 in the header.

    He should still be 14/1, Kemi’s got this with the members.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    viewcode said:

    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins

    Is this a good time to remind you that I have a fiver on Kemi at 11/8 from several weeks ago?

    I got on her at better odds last week.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,402
    dixiedean said:

    Way to vote lend Jimmy!!

    If Team Cleverly was lending votes, then...
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,376
    viewcode said:

    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins

    Is this a good time to remind you that I have a fiver on Kemi at 11/8 from several weeks ago?

    I had Kemi tipped as the next LOTO on 4th July, lol!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Politics eh? Bloody hell.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,864
    Ha ha had, so all the speculation was for nought and we end up with a Jenrick v Badenoch final 2.

    At least should be an interesting contest between them, I will vote for Jenrick but I expect Badenoch to win.

    I expect Starmer and Davey will be feeling rather more pleased than Farage this afternoon though
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    So................

    Were Badenoch/Jenrick supporters voting for Cleverly yesterday and why? Perhaps to convince him he was in the final two and could 'lend' a few votes elsewhere. This really doesn't make much sense.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
    Well you got that all wrong
    I did and I just apologised. Next.
    You are getting the idea
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 72,173
    I think Robert was plugging this idea the other day, but couldn't find odds for it ?

    Ladbrokes have 'Republicans to win popular vote and Harris to win Presidency' combo, at 25/1.

    Seems pretty unlikely to be, but those are nice odds if you think it might happen.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    Wow. Never underestimate the ability of the Tory party to eff it up!

    Was Cleverly too Cleverly by half?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379
    Andy_JS said:

    @Andy_JS called this from the start, wow!

    It's the only thing I'm any good at, lol.
    Pause

    How many Green seats in GE24? :smile::smile::smile::smile:
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980
    Andy_JS said:

    @Andy_JS called this from the start, wow!

    It's the only thing I'm any good at, lol.
    You just keep on keeping on, my friend.

    If we ever shall meet, the beers are all on me.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,958
    Sandpit said:

    So who was on Jenrick at the 14/1 in the header.

    He should still be 14/1, Kemi’s got this with the members.

    Nah.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/10/01/is-kemi-kaze-badenoch-about-to-blow-an-18-lead/
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,379

    viewcode said:

    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins
    If Kemi gets to the last two she wins

    Is this a good time to remind you that I have a fiver on Kemi at 11/8 from several weeks ago?

    I got on her at better odds last week.
    You cheated and used your lawyer powers... :smile:
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    You could vote for neither?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,943
    In previous leadership elections you can blame the Tory membership. Faced with a choice of sane or bonkers, they vote bonkers every time.

    But in this one? It's bonkers or bonkers. And this is before the two of them really start going after the membership and get Even More Bonkers.

    One nation Tories: perhaps its time for a change of party?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Has any leadership election ever had the leader from the third and fourth ballots going backward ?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,668
    FFS
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,792

    Managed to get another few quid on Jenrick at 15, for the bragging rights if it comes off. That'll do. Let's see what happens!

    Another value loser!
    Well you got that all wrong
    I did and I just apologised. Next.
    You are getting the idea
    Give it a rest.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    In previous leadership elections you can blame the Tory membership. Faced with a choice of sane or bonkers, they vote bonkers every time.

    But in this one? It's bonkers or bonkers. And this is before the two of them really start going after the membership and get Even More Bonkers.

    One nation Tories: perhaps its time for a change of party?

    Well I supposed you can argue that the MPs now are more representative of the membership ;-)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,980

    Sandpit said:

    So who was on Jenrick at the 14/1 in the header.

    He should still be 14/1, Kemi’s got this with the members.

    Nah.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/10/01/is-kemi-kaze-badenoch-about-to-blow-an-18-lead/

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    You just said it yourself!!!

    Jenrick has so many disqualifying negatives.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,945
    edited October 9
    It's a ridiculous, if fun, voting system. They should vote just once and list all their preferences to prevent these shaninigans.
  • Bob__SykesBob__Sykes Posts: 1,179
    edited October 9
    Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

    Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.
  • Kemi Badenoch is slightly mad.
    On the other hand, she's slightly brighter, and also slightly more self-aware, than Truss.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507
    What were the Tory MPs thinking.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,610
    HYUFD said:

    Ha ha had, so all the speculation was for nought and we end up with a Jenrick v Badenoch final 2.

    At least should be an interesting contest between them, I will vote for Jenrick but I expect Badenoch to win.

    I expect Starmer and Davey will be feeling rather more pleased than Farage this afternoon though

    Something very strange has happened here but your last sentence may well explain why the conservative mps see Reform needs to be neutralised

    Not my choice but just confirms politics is impossible to predict
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,690
    edited October 9

    Andy_JS said:

    Badenoch 42
    Jenrick 41
    Cleverly 37

    What the actual f***?
    Seems Dave's lost another vote.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,112
    Alien v. Predator :lol:
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,161

    So I have to vote for Kemi Badenoch.

    You could vote for neither?
    A cock and balls would be counted as a vote for Bobby J.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,507

    Suspect there will be another Tory contest before the next GE. Neither of those two have a hope in hell and Kemi, who will obviously win, will prove as toxic as Truss I expect.

    Gutted for Cleverly, he was the only realistic candidate who had a chance albeit small of ever becoming PM.

    The obvious approach for the Tories was to go for Tugendhat, have 2-3 boring years in opposition, then reassess.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,405
    Turns out not much must have leaked from Betfair
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,632
    Nigelb said:

    I think Robert was plugging this idea the other day, but couldn't find odds for it ?

    Ladbrokes have 'Republicans to win popular vote and Harris to win Presidency' combo, at 25/1.

    Seems pretty unlikely to be, but those are nice odds if you think it might happen.

    Ah yes. I priced it at 20 so that's good imo.
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